Are you kidding me?

[freakazoid]

Boy, 6, Suspended in Sex Harassment
Thursday, February 09, 2006

BROCKTON, Mass. — A 6-year-old boy is getting a lesson on the meaning of sexual harassment long before he'll be able to spell it.

The first-grader was suspended for three days for sexual harassment after he put two fingers inside a classmate's waistband, school officials told his mother, Berthena Dorinvil. The boy told her he only touched the girl's shirt after the girl touched him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C184319%2C00.html

Are you kidding me? A fucking six year old busted for...Suspended in Sexual Harassment... A fucking six year old?!!! When I was six I used to tease girls all the time, man. Was the wave of the future for most six year old boys, but today?!!! What the fuck is wrong with our schools? A fucking six year old busted for "Sexual Harassment?"!!!! That is fucking bullshit!! What next, 2 year olds busted for "Sexual Harassment" for touching another 2 year old in the crib? WTF is wrong with our fucking schools???!!! IDIOTS!!!!!! DIPSHITS!!! LEFTWINGED NUT CASES!!!! FIRE EM'!!! :mad::mad::mad:

[Korono]

Fear and over-sensetivity are becoming great problems in this country, I have found.

[freakazoid]

Fear and over-sensetivity are becoming great problems in this country, I have found.
That is for sure! :eek:

[vixuxx]

Agreed. Officially: BULLSHIT.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yea, when I was six....along with probably 95% or more of the rest of the population....sex wasn't even a term in my dictionary. At that age everyone is taught that the opposite sex is diseased (cooties and such) and there is no way that anything a six year old does could be considered sexual harrasment.
HELL! We should be putting these kid's **SICK PARENTS** in jail for seual harrasment on the same basis.
[START EXCESSIVE SARCASM] Bathing your kids while they're completely nude? Helping them to get EVERY area of their bodies clean? DAMN, YOU GOTTA BE MESSED UP TO DO THAT TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN!!![/SARCASM]

[Carlos lopez]

This is Bullshit. This is another case of "show me your and I show you my". And ,we all did it. ok;)

[beelzebub]

LEFTWINGED NUT CASES!!!! FIRE EM'!!!

You mean RIGHT-WING nut cases. They would go all to hell over this!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

You mean RIGHT-WING nut cases. They would go all to hell over this!


Left-wing, right-wing, what does it matter? You cannot possibly fly with just one wing anyway, whether it be the left or the right! :p

[General Septem]

The worst part is that the shit they allow is by far worse. A sixth grader who doesn't know any better can't touch a girl on the shoulder but they can give condoms and lube to anyone who wants it. When's the last time they said anything about the incessant slutfest coming out of the mouths of countless students?

EDIT: my bad, not sixth grader - six-year old.

[General Septem]

You mean RIGHT-WING nut cases. They would go all to hell over this!
No, I would say this is more of a left-wing issue. Because they're the ones in charge of the schools anyway - read my last post for reasoning why.

You're either Right or you're wrong. ;)

[beelzebub]

No, I would say this is more of a left-wing issue. Because they're the ones in charge of the schools anyway - read my last post for reasoning why.

Well most people think that they are in charge of schools. They really aren't. Liberals are in the classrooms FOR SURE! But the principles & superintendents. Are mostly conservative right wingers. They have liberal views on some shit but not this kind of shit.

[General Septem]

Well most people think that they are in charge of schools. They really aren't. Liberals are in the classrooms FOR SURE! But the principles & superintendents. Are mostly conservative right wingers. They have liberal views on some shit but not this kind of shit.

I live in Bumfuck, NY. We're bluer than Picasso's blue period. Planes have crashed here thinking it was the sky. So at least in my state, the schools are very heavily run by liberals. My former aunt is one of them, and she's one of the biggest liberals I knew.

[spankin-it]

Damn, a six year old. I never thought I would see the day. I cant even imagine how confused that kid is.

[jacktheripper]

If it can. In any shape or form Hurt some poor fools sensibilities it has become taboo in our society nowdays.


Its like the use of cuss words. Just because i say the word "Fuck" i might just might ofend someone.

Oh no my children MIGHT hear it !! my poor poor child !!! What hipocritical BS.. I doubt any child over the age of 8-10 DOESN"T know all of the cuss words.

As to sexual harrasment.. Not only is this kid now going to be scared to death of being arround a girl/woman for the rest of his life. But the girl her self is now going to have a damn victim complex ...

Now if the kid had been consistently grabbing her.. Pulling her shorts down.. etc.. I could see a "Tallking to" by a counciler and a parent. But in todays society of children being expeled./suspended for anything and everything . (having ASPRIN) Its a joke.

It really comes down to the fact that parents have givin up their role's as a parent to the teachers. And the teachers just can not handle it.

Parents are at the root of the problem.. They are not doing the job..

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Parents are at the root of the problem.. They are not doing the job..

So true, but they can't realize it. People refuse to take blame for things, and parents just keep on expecting more and more that the government do the job of raising their children. Parents step away from the role of the parent, and things continue getting worse. Then the blame is placed on the government so that the parents feel better about themselves and don't have to change their ways of life.

[jacktheripper]

So true, but they can't realize it. People refuse to take blame for things, and parents just keep on expecting more and more that the government do the job of raising their children. Parents step away from the role of the parent, and things continue getting worse. Then the blame is placed on the government so that the parents feel better about themselves and don't have to change their ways of life.

Yep exactily.. And why is that? Ill put the blame soly on the hippy free love generation.. Who raised stupid babyboomer children who in turn raised even stupider children who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.

One of the stupidist things going on right now is LAWS specificaly preventing parents from diciplining their children.. OMG your abusing that poor child when you swat his/her but for doing something bad..

BULLSHIT !! there is a difference between diciplining your child and ABUSING your child. And due to the fact that parents CAN NOT diciplin their children for fear of being sent to prison things are only going to get worse. As more and more of these "No load/its not my fault/cant take responsibilty for their own actions/etc. people enter society totaly unready to act as a functioning part of it.

I think public corpral punisment is the answere.. 5 lashes in the middle of town would QUICKLY shape up peoples acts.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yep exactily.. And why is that? Ill put the blame soly on the hippy free love generation.. Who raised stupid babyboomer children who in turn raised even stupider children who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.

Yea, except it was the baby boomers who raised the hippies who could give a shit about their responsibilities for the dumbfucks being raised now.



I think public corpral punisment is the answere.. 5 lashes in the middle of town would QUICKLY shape up peoples acts.

Good idea, it will probably finally start opening some eyes. Too bad that will never be the case at least until the government is completely destroyed. An effective third world war with plenty of nukes may be just what the doctor ordered.

[General Septem]

More bullshit. Now people are getting arrested for bringing in plastic squirt guns and making "happy crack" out of kool-aid and sugar. Yet the real problem kids are getting away with everything. Shit.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

That's because the REAL problem kids know how to do things right. They get around the people with power so that they can continue to do what they want to. These other 'wanna be gangstas' are just playing around trying the rebelious ideas out to see what it's like, and that's what's most easily seen and dealt with. So instead of looking for the trouble kids, we just go after the ones who do these minor things in plain sight, and now increasing the punishment ignorantly thinking that this will scare the bad kids away from the more serious crimes.

[Paisleyspeaker]

A six year old can't commit sexual harrasment. Harrasment yes, but for it to be sexual they would have to understand sex, and why what they did was unaccptable behavior. There are adults who don't understand that. It is assnine. And as for the liberals running the classrooms. First the hippies are the babyboomers guys. Children. The soilders who came home from WWII knocked up everything in a skirt, and the babyboom happened. The sixties was when this generation came of age. After sucessfully shoving their own heads up their own asses in the seventies they then spoiled their children beyond belief. They didn't like the whoopings they got when they were childeren so they gave their kids time outs. And now they are dealing with the results of not teaching their children that their actions have clear consequences. The news coming out of schools may feel touchy feely and liberal, but all you have to do is look at their shrinking budgets to know the conservatives are in charge.
general I don't know where you go to school, but my high school nurse (western MA) fought long and hard to be able to give condoms to at risk girls to keep them from getting a disease or pregnant before they could grow up enough to stop putting themselves at risk. And she ultimatly failed. Mass is a blue state, but the school board would not give her permissioin to give out rubbers.
Some parents are not really parents , they are no help, and the schools have had to take over parenting, then these same people bitch about what their kids are being taught. My answer; Homeschooling.

[General Septem]

Some parents are not really parents , they are no help, and the schools have had to take over parenting, then these same people bitch about what their kids are being taught. My answer; Homeschooling.
That's definitely my answer too. Thankfully it's becoming more popular. I just hope the government doesn't get in the way. :/

[Paisleyspeaker]

My oldest is three and I have done the research into Florida laws, they really arn't too bad. But other states may be worse.

[General Septem]

My oldest is three and I have done the research into Florida laws, they really arn't too bad. But other states may be worse.
I've actually been homeschooled myself for the past few years. I just mean I hope the Illuminati/New World Order doesn't get in the way of me teaching my kids in favor of what the government wants my kids to know.

[beelzebub]

I've actually been homeschooled myself for the past few years. I just mean I hope the Illuminati/New World Order doesn't get in the way of me teaching my kids in favor of what the government wants my kids to know.

This explains a lot. While home schooling can provide a sound educational experience it can also narrow the scope. This explains why you are so narrow.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

This explains a lot. While home schooling can provide a sound educational experience it can also narrow the scope. This explains why you are so narrow.

:rolleyes: Of course it does. Because our schools teach us to be very open minded by telling us of our other cultures and other viewpoints. We start learning a second language the same time we start learning to multiply. We are told of all the horrible things that America has done in the world as well as the good. We are taught that evolution is only yet a theory, and we are taught the other possibilities. We explore the advances of other cultures in the world, and learn how they are better than the US in their own ways........


....wait a second.....NO WE DON'T! ~ OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS TEACH US NONE OF THAT!!! So OBVIOUSLY home schooling can only be worse right? Really, if you're going to accuse someone of being narrow minded, don't do it with such a narrow minded assumption.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Homeschooling can be a very narrow thing. Parents, like most people don't often leave their comfort zones. Public schooling by putting you in contact with so many diffrent people will force discussions, that may not have happened otherwise. Some people homeschool to prevent those very discussions. Most homeschoolers will admit to being outside of the norm, but there are many diffrent places outside of normal.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Right, but GS made it pretty clear that he had done the whole public school thing too. It was only recently that he's been doing home schooling. I'm really just pointing out the flaws in Bubbas conclusion that home school is why GS (according to bubba) is narrow minded.

[General Septem]

I've actually been exposed to numerous sides of numerous debates, not only from the public schools I used to go to, but also from my highly liberal mother (who was right about some things but not about others), non-public schools, which include a year of Catholic school but in contrast also includes almost two years of the psycho-school I used to go to, and other sources.

Using logic I have ascertained what I believe to be the correct viewpoint in these debates. That's why I'm narrow about a few subjects, because I've already heard the other side and nothing about it makes sense.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Using logic I have ascertained what I believe to be the correct viewpoint in these debates. That's why I'm narrow about a few subjects, because I've already heard the other side and nothing about it makes sense.


That's the problem, is that everybody doesn't see it your way and are unable to explain the logic of their way or understand the logic of yours. It leaves us at an impasse of intelligence, which will cause many of us to go crazy trying to understand the ignorance opposition.

[General Septem]

That's the problem, is that everybody doesn't see it your way and are unable to explain the logic of their way or understand the logic of yours. It leaves us at an impasse of intelligence, which will cause many of us to go crazy trying to understand the ignorance opposition.
Kind of like when in some arguments I replace, say, abortion with murder, to make a point, and the only thing anyone else can tell me is "LOL ABORTION IS NOT MUREDR111!", even though the correlation between the two doesn't even really matter in the comparison that I ws making.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Your logic is based on what you believe to be facts. And anyone else would have to have that same set of facts to follow your logic completely.

[General Septem]

Your logic is based on what you believe to be facts. And anyone else would have to have that same set of facts to follow your logic completely.
Fact is fact, there's no disputing that. I don't quote facts that I'm not sure of.

[LordRuin]

you can say "the sun will rise tomorrow" but that is not an absolute truth, you cannot know it will not blow up in the night(very unlikely, yes, but it is a possibility). so there are no "facts" therefore all logic fails. Or somesuch BS.

[Paisleyspeaker]

So then, would you classify the existance of God as a fact? In the souhthern hemisphere water drains in the opposite dircection as here. People in both the north and south hemispheres can say "the water drains clockwise" or the water drains countercloackwise" respectivly as they stand in front their johns. And their statements would be fact. Contradictory, incomplete, but factual. Could you sit there watching the water and prove them wrong? To you abortion and murder may be the same thing, a personal fact. But you should know from where you live that some people don't believe that. Facts are not just facts when you deal with anything other than a deep thought level supercomputer.

[General Septem]

The existance of God is a fact, and as a Christian you should agree to at least that much.

Water doesn't actually drain in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere because there are a multitude of forces acting upon the water that all have more of an effect than the Coriolis effect. Also, clockwise and anti-clockwise are based on the movement of a sundial in the northern hemisphere. In the southern hemisphere the shadow goes the other way, which to them would be clockwise assuming interaction between the north and south had not taken place. But assuming the Coriolis effect in your scenario is the only force, and that clockwise and anti-clockwise are constants in either hemisphere, then in that case saying either "water drains clockwise" or "water drains anti-clockwise" would both be wrong - it drains clockwise in the north and anti-clockwise in the south.

Assuming, in the same scenario, clockwise meant whichever way the sundial goes in any given location, then saying "water drains clockwise" would be true regardless of which hemi you were in.

God, however, is a constant in the entire Universe.

[Paisleyspeaker]

I do agree about God, but I grew up in Mass. I know many people don't agree. Okay the toilet thing was a poor example .

[General Septem]

I would say if people don't believe in God, they just haven't found Him yet.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Yes. But when talking to them their facts , from which they will draw their logic, won't include Him, and probably other things as well. To a Hindu it is a fact that Ganesh has four arms, and that Krishna plays a flute. Those aren't your facts.

[General Septem]

Yes. But when talking to them their facts , from which they will draw their logic, won't include Him, and probably other things as well. To a Hindu it is a fact that Ganesh has four arms, and that Krishna plays a flute. Those aren't your facts.
No, those would be their opinions. Facts are true regardless of anyone else's opinion.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Your Obi Wan quote says it all.

[General Septem]

Point of view and opinion are two different things. You're not going to see the World Trade center by looking at the Eiffel tower, no matter from which angle you look at it, because the Eiffel Tower is not the WTC - this is a fact. The definition of a fact is something that is true no matter what.

So let's look at another example. The existance of Allah may be a fact in that it exists in some people's minds. But the physical existance of Allah is not a fact.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So let's look at another example. The existance of Allah may be a fact in that it exists in some people's minds. But the physical existance of Allah is not a fact.

We don't know that. You believe it without concrete proof. Making this an opinion of yours. Saying Allah does not exist is just as true as saying that Allah does exist, because we don't have any evidence one way or the other.

[General Septem]

We don't know that. You believe it without concrete proof. Making this an opinion of yours. Saying Allah does not exist is just as true as saying that Allah does exist, because we don't have any evidence one way or the other.
I don't need proof that Catholicism is the Divine Truth. I would not be a good Catholic otherwise.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I don't need proof that Catholicism is the Divine Truth. I would not be a good Catholic otherwise.


You may not, but proclaiming yourself and your religion as completely true and perfect, and saying that all others is wrong (regardless of how much you believe it), is exactly what causes wars and the deaths of millions. You yourself are wrong because I am certain that your religion does not have things perfect and you claim that it does.

[General Septem]

Just because I believe my religion to be true doesn't mean I want to kill anyone who believes otherwise.

[Paisleyspeaker]

But your not a zealot, some are. Torture and warfare have been used in the past to convert holdouts. "the Inquisition... it's your skull cap, or your skull"
People will go far to protect what they hold as true or fact.

[General Septem]

Yeah, but when you believe the Truth to not include torture and whatnot as a moral thing to do, it would make you a hypocrite to do so.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Regardless, you should not be claiming your beliefs to be the truth. It does not make them any more true, and it angers people who don't agree with you. When it is about a religious belief people will often find the need to start a war to shut you up. You may not be the one "starting" the war, but you are instigating it with your outrageous claims.

[General Septem]

Well if anyone's interested in proof that it's true, they're welcome to shoot anything at me they'd like refuted. Just don't shoot too much at me and make it succinct. Numbered lists are best.

[Rather Not Say]

some of the schools are run by people who shouldn't even handle paper clips

[Principal]

Problem is that everyone has a lawyer and noone wants to be the teacher. Schools overreact out of fear of being sued... and losing. right or wrong is not part of the equasion..

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I think that because of this fear (if that is the reason) then in this case about the 6 yo sexual harrasment, they overreacted SO much that they ought to be sued anyways. It's far more understandable to have little unknowledgable boys putting their hands where society says they don't belong than it is to suspend him for it. If the girl went home and told her parents what had happened, even if they were the type who would overreact and sue the school for letting the kid get away for this, the case would be nothing more than a laugh riot about the parents on Conan O'brien. What should have happened is to sit this kid down and tell him what the anal gownups think it was that he did and why it was wrong. Maybe a time-out at most. When you overreact this much, the consequences are more severe than not reacting at all.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Think of the emotional damage caused to this little girl , something happened tha she probably didn't like. So she tells, and then this three ring circus erupts. (And I believe that the overly litigious nature of our society is the reason) and now this little aggravating thing, she probably would have forgotten in a week is this huge thing, and now she isn't just a little girl she ia a victim. The irony is it's the reaction of the adults that made her a victim, and not the actions of the little boy.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

And you'd think that a society as advanced as we are would have things better figured out by now...:rolleyes:

[General Septem]

I used to hate the education system and everything about it. I still do, but only now I at least think there can be some changes made. But where to start...

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

You're a student. Most students hate the education system. They don't get to do things their way, and their way of doing things is always better than the teacher's. What it really comes down to is freedom of choice, but it's generally not a good thing to allow the student complete control of how he learns, because most will inevitably end up not learning much at all and thus bringing down the future society.

[General Septem]

Actually I'm not a student. So I technically am, but keep in mind: what time of day am I usually on the forum? A) morning, B) lunch break, C) after dinner, or D) all of the above and the time in between.

I beat the system and I still have to put up with it. Every time I have to call the contractors back because they did a shitty job installing my roof or didn't give me a big enough air conditioner, every time I put my health in the hands of a bunch of cooks that I hope are mature enough to not pull some shit with my food and pray I don't piss them off anyway, every time I have to wash my hands after accidentally touching ABC gum stuck to the bottom of the table - hell, every time I have to plan my social life around how much homework my friends get. I think it's bullshit that these blind sheep think they have to go to school even though they have a fever of 110 or think they can't go to Church because they need to finish their homework. It's almost as if they're trying to make us used to being prisoners because of the police state that they're slowly enstating. Oh wait.

Don't get me wrong, if this "education" was helping society I'd be all for it. You'd think it would be helping society by how quickly everyone rushes to fellate these people. Damnedest thing, though, I still have to put up with idiots who are surprised by the fact that the ocean is even bigger than Lake Ontario.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Every time I have to call the contractors back because they did a shitty job installing my roof or didn't give me a big enough air conditioner,


How many times have you personally dealt with this?


every time I put my health in the hands of a bunch of cooks that I hope are mature enough to not pull some shit with my food and pray I don't piss them off anyway,



How many restaurants do you go to every week that aren't employing school kids as the cooks? And do you think that the people who took school properly are working in these low-standard jobs?




every time I have to wash my hands after accidentally touching ABC gum stuck to the bottom of the table



This is something that is most often left behid by gradeschool children, how can you blame the school system for this?



hell, every time I have to plan my social life around how much homework my friends get.


And if you'd be working now since you're not in school, they'd have to plan their social life around your busy work schedule. I spent very little time doing any school work outside of class and it was rare that I ever got a grade below a B.





I think it's bullshit that these blind sheep think they have to go to school even though they have a fever of 110 or think they can't go to Church because they need to finish their homework.


They don't think that they have to go to school, and most kids will be happy to miss school when a fever comes on....it's almost something that you look forward to every now and then. The whole church thing isn't because they need to finish their homework, they just are looking for an excuse to not go to church. School kids are great at making up excuses, I know because I was one not long ago.




Don't get me wrong, if this "education" was helping society I'd be all for it. You'd think it would be helping society by how quickly everyone rushes to fellate these people. Damnedest thing, though, I still have to put up with idiots who are surprised by the fact that the ocean is even bigger than Lake Ontario.


Sounds to me like you need to start hanging out with a smarter group of people, the majority are much more intelligent than those you are describing.

So you think that we'd all be better off if we had no free school system in place? Just let the rich kids go to school if their parents can convince them to, and fuck everyone else, because it's only making things worse anyways?

[General Septem]

How many times have you personally dealt with this?

As often as I've dealt with contractors, which even though it's only a few times, it's still 100% of the time. I will give one company some credit, as their owner saw what a shitty job his workers did and offered us a really good deal on siding, a bay window, gutters, and a new screen door. So in the long run, we're happy. But we're still getting ice damming.


How many restaurants do you go to every week that aren't employing school kids as the cooks? And do you think that the people who took school properly are working in these low-standard jobs?

I'm just offering examples. I wouldn't have to worry about this kind of monkey business if schools effectively taught people not to.


how can you blame the school system for this?

Because they're the ones claiming to be bettering society. To really change society you need to change the people's hearts. Schools have the power to do this, the power to make people mature. Yet they fail miserably.


And if you'd be working now since you're not in school, they'd have to plan their social life around your busy work schedule.

Well at least I'd be productive. I don't even care about that aspect. I'm just saying, I'm not even in school and I still have to put up with it. I have to stop for busses too. Damnit to freedom, I hate busses. Nothing pisses me off more than getting stuck behind one, especially the ones that go from house to house rather than to bus stops. I'm not faulting school for that, by the way, it's just a pet peeve of mine (so don't argue).


I spent very little time doing any school work outside of class and it was rare that I ever got a grade below a B.

Good for you. I never got anything below a B either, and I didn't do anything. I guess it's a gift. >_>


They don't think that they have to go to school, and most kids will be happy to miss school when a fever comes on....it's almost something that you look forward to every now and then.

That isn't the impression I get from a lot of the academia nuts I know. I know, it seems almost second nature to want to skip school first chance you get. But some people don't for whatever reason.


Sounds to me like you need to start hanging out with a smarter group of people, the majority are much more intelligent than those you are describing.

I think most if not all of my friends know you can piss across Lake Ontario compared to the ocean. In fact most of my friends are relatively smart. People who have no social skills, on the other hand, are complete idiots.


So you think that we'd all be better off if we had no free school system in place? Just let the rich kids go to school if their parents can convince them to, and fuck everyone else, because it's only making things worse anyways?

No. I just think they need to fix a lot of the problems with the system. Even you agree: "And you'd think that a society as advanced as we are would have things better figured out by now..."

That's all I want, is for them to figure it out. Why do you argue?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

That's all I want, is for them to figure it out. Why do you argue?


Because you're putting down schools like we'd be better off without them. If you think that they can do things better and get rid of all these little nuisances, what will the cost be? We're going to have idiots walking around and doing the work for us that we don't want to regardless of how good the school systems are. I think that it is a huge waste of money to try and get the stupid students the extra care they need to bring them up to an acceptable level for their age. People are naturally going to be at different intelligence levels and if their parents care, they should find ways to help their kid out instead of expecting the government to waste all this extra money on someone who will most likely be at the bottom rung of society and contributing very little to it in the future anyways.

So tell me, what is your fool proof perfect method to fix the school systems so that we'll never again complain about recieving the wrong order at Burger King?

[General Septem]

I'm putting down schools like we'd be better off without them? Sorry if I came across that way, but that's not what I'm saying. Don't you agree that they can at least be improved? Not that I'm saying that's all that needs to change to help society.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Of course they can be improved, we can look at anything and find something we think could be improved for it. I personally think that schools don't need to be improved. I got plenty out of school the way it was when I went, and I don't think that we should waste more money to attempt to improve something that is working adequately as it is. I stand by my position that if parents want their children to learn more than what the schools are offering, they need to do the extra teaching themselves instead of forcing everyone to pay more because they are too lazy to take the responsibility themselves.

I'm still wondering what you would do to improve things.

[General Septem]

I'm still wondering what you would do to improve things.

Well, they can start by not spending all their money on busses and start putting it to better use.

They can cunduct classes a lot more efficiently. Cut out all the bullshit that nobody needs to know and start teaching grammar. I've had teachers that couldn't even speak good English. Let me just point out that if your teacher says something like "You want I should?", she is not cut out to teach, period. There's no excuse for this ebonics shit. There's no excuse for the relaxed usage of "who" where "whom" is gramatically correct.

Then they can get rid of all this "required reading" bullshit. I'll read what I like, thanks, kindly refrain from wasting my time with "Lord of the Flies" or some bullshit. Not everyone can read a book in one afternoon. Oh, a bunch of kids are trapped on some island, how nice. But wait! Each kid represents some fragment in history and all of a sudden it's on the required reading list. You want history? Here's an idea: READ FUCKING HISTORY BOOKS. I'm not against reading the book (even though it is named after the supreme asshole himself), but not when I've got other things to do. Honestly, I like the Harry Potter series, but it hasn't made me any better of a person by reading it. Perhaps it's made me a better writer, but we're not in school to learn to be writers!

Teach manners. They do it in Japan, so why can't they do it here? Teach men to respect women. Teach people to do their jobs to the best of their ability. And I don't just mean stand in the front of the class and tell kids how to be polite; they'll rebel. There's a way of teaching things like this.

Conduct classes more efficiently. Stop putting up with disruptions. Period. If someone doesn't get it, have them stay after class - don't stand there and explain it on everyone else's time.

Teach young. For instance, if you can't speak English reasonably well by the time you're in sixth grade, don't bother staying in school; you're just wasting time. Look into homeschooling or get used to hauling garbage.

So to summarize:

1. Spend money more wisely
2. Select more useful subjects
3. Stop wasting everyone's time with stupid bullshit
4. Teach respect
5. Stop catering to the dumbasses at the expense of everyone else
6. Teach young

I'm sure you can think of many more.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Perhaps it's made me a better writer, but we're not in school to learn to be writers!


This one argument is definately false. Writing is definately going to be something that you do in just about any profession. We should be able to write clearly and effectively, with enough interesting material in what we write that those who need to read it will not dread having to read it.

[General Septem]

This one argument is definately false. Writing is definately going to be something that you do in just about any profession. We should be able to write clearly and effectively, with enough interesting material in what we write that those who need to read it will not dread having to read it.
Yes, but only professional writers need to know how to write creatively. Everything else is just grammar.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yes, but only professional writers need to know how to write creatively. Everything else is just grammar.


Except what I was just saying is that if we all learn to write creatively, it's going to make things better regardless of what we're writing about.

AND creative writing is a form of creative thinking which naturally makes people smarter.

[General Septem]

Except what I was just saying is that if we all learn to write creatively, it's going to make things better regardless of what we're writing about.

AND creative writing is a form of creative thinking which naturally makes people smarter.
Sure, but do we really need to say "you must read this book?" The very least they could do is just say "here is a list of a hundred or so books. You will get credit for each book you read". This way, if someone wants to read sci-fi, let them read sci-fi. If someone wants to read The Godfather, let him. No more of this arbitrary "You have to read the book of Satan" or someshit.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It makes in class and group discussions much more difficult that way. One thing that these book assignments is meant to do is improve social skills. Something else that is a nescessity in any society.

[General Septem]

It makes in class and group discussions much more difficult that way. One thing that these book assignments is meant to do is improve social skills. Something else that is a nescessity in any society.
It doesn't seem to be working. You have a good point, but I think there's better ways they can go about doing that. Like have everyone all watch a movie together and then discuss it. Don't just shove a month-long book in my face and make me read it, because that's pretentious.

Another problem I have is people not being treated as individuals.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Sounds to me like you're in the wrong schools. Just about every teacher that I've had has done his/her hardest to know and make good relations with every student. If you weren't learning, it was a problem with you that most people could not address by themselves...especially when they have a group of around 30 students to worry about at the same time.

I still must consent that it is working as well as we need it to. The cost to get things working better would be more than what we would receive from the extra efforts.

[General Septem]

I was at the "finest school in the city" for a month or so before it failed me just like the rest of them. So forgive me for holding a grudge against the semi-realistic impersonation of schools that I've been through. The reason I didn't learn is because I was held back by all the dumbasses. Can you believe I was at the finest school in the city and for the first six weeks of sixth grade all they talked about was the compass rose? People didn't get it.

Maybe it's working as well as it needs to in your town, and maybe I'm just in a really shitty city. I already know I live in a shitty city. Yet our neighboring town, Hilton, is far more benign than we are here in the town of Greece. So maybe they've got something figured out that the administration here hasn't. But I will tell you this, this city and this town in particular is a trash can, strewn with immorality and complete lack of respect for each other. Schools aren't completely to blame but they're partially to blame, because the schools are the worst offenders.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Well, I am in Minnesota, possibly the source of the best teachers in the states. I know that other states are looking to Minnesota for teachers to improve their own schools. My sister is moving to Arizona next month because they are offering better pay for Minnesota teachers. I have been in 3 different school systems through my required education but all of them did just fine for me. The rest of you just need to watch the Minnesota schools and take notes.:D

[General Septem]

Ah, Minnesota. The home of that comedian they play on PBS. I think Minnesota is probably the most perfect state in the US. Except I think that's where that polyamory cult is located, where men have lots of wives and rape their daughters. But I could be mistaken.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Never heard of it. If it is in Minnesota, then it's just some outstate fairytale.

[General Septem]

Never heard of it. If it is in Minnesota, then it's just some outstate fairytale.
It may be Utah. Or another one of those communist states. Actually it could be any state. I can't remember where. >_>

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Communist? Definately not here. Minnesota is a strongly democratic state, but I don't think many people around here favor communism.

[General Septem]

Communist? Definately not here. Minnesota is a strongly democratic state, but I don't think many people around here favor communism.
That was a joke. :P

[Paisleyspeaker]

The whole polagamy thing is in the southwest. Mostly Utah (since they are an offshoot of Mormons{rejected by the officials at Latter Day Saints.}) But there is a city in Arizona that is just full of them , New Colorado City.

[beelzebub]

Anyone heard of National Board for Profesional Teaching Standards?
I finished my portfolio March 27th & sent it in.
I completed my test June 3rd

I'll find out after Thanksgiving.

anyone anyone?:confused:

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

No, why? What significance does it have?

[beelzebub]

No, why?

I was wondering if I could start a thread and talk about it.


What significance does it have?

It means a lot to me personally. It is the highest accreditation that a teacher can hold in the USA.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

No one's limiting you from posting new threads, do you need to ask for approval?

What makes it such an honorable accredation?

[beelzebub]

No one's limiting you from posting new threads, do you need to ask for approval?

What? I was answering your question "Why"



What makes it such an honorable accredation?

First, it is very difficult to get. The highest pass rate is 45% and that is in HS Science.
Second, it has made teaching a "true" profession by having a national board accreditation that is run by teachers.
Third, it challenges teachers to work outside their SOP and requires them to reflect on their teaching.

I found the whole process very rewarding and I grew tremendously. I just wish I knew if I passed or not

[General Septem]

First, it is very difficult to get. The highest pass rate is 45% and that is in HS Science.
That does sound difficult.

I presume your field has a lower pass rate?

[beelzebub]

That does sound difficult.

I presume your field has a lower pass rate?


No your presumption is incorrect. I am a high school Biology teacher. 45%

The process is costly. $2,400
It has 2 Parts:

1) Portfolio 60%
Documented Accomplishments (8 essays on what you have done. 13 pages max)
Whole class discussion (Video & 13 page description, analysis and reflection)
Inquiry Science lab (Video & 13 page description, analysis and reflection)
Teaching a main idea over time (2 students, 3 assignments each. A main idea in science over time. 13 pages max)

2) Test 40%
6 written sections containing 2-3 prompts to be responded too.
4 are in your subject field
2 are outside your field.

[General Septem]

I see. It sounds difficult then, but the odds still aren't that bad. Almost 50/50, and it's not all chance. Anyway, good luck. =D

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

What is the deciding factor for passing? I'm sure it's not just a simple percentage limit. But whenever I take a test, I generally have a pretty close estimate to how well I did. I'd assume that you have an idea of what chances your efforts have left for you to pass?

[beelzebub]

What is the deciding factor for passing? I'm sure it's not just a simple percentage limit. But whenever I take a test, I generally have a pretty close estimate to how well I did. I'd assume that you have an idea of what chances your efforts have left for you to pass?

Scoring is very different from traditional scoring. Remember everything is written.
Over all you have to get a 2.75 or higher to pass, This number is formed from your portfolio and your test.
I think that I have done well. However I am not sure what one should feel like to have passed. The portfolio was huge and it took such a long time to do. I started in September of last year and submitted it at the end of March. The test was June the 3rd. Of course, that was over in a day and I feel that I have done well on 5 out of 6 parts but who knows?

http://www.nbpts.org/:eek:

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

... but who knows?

http://www.nbpts.org/:eek:


At this point, no one moreso than you.

[djloco]

let me start by saying this shit does not surprise me at all propaganda and media has exploited our education so much its all about what makes the biggest hit within people iin the world they dont care what we do in in school . Education it self doesnt care if we learn it or not its there for guidelines and fucking idots like this make the world just a little smaller to see in our eyes.

[Paisleyspeaker]

let me start by saying this shit does not surprise me at all propaganda and media has exploited our education so much its all about what makes the biggest hit within people iin the world they dont care what we do in in school . Education it self doesnt care if we learn it or not its there for guidelines and fucking idots like this make the world just a little smaller to see in our eyes.

Just who is "education"? Systems don't care, politicians don't really care, but people do. You can't blame the whole. Most teachers care very much if their students learn. But they arn't in control. And parents are more worried about sports and test scores. Administrators do everything in their power to make everything 'look' good. Like here in Florida we have all these "A+" schools, but are still 49th out of 50 in SAT scores.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yea, that is pretty bad. It's just showing that you guys are lowering the expectations of your students down there. I always thought that the "No Child Left Behind" act going on up here is bullshit and a waste of government money. But at least it's better than just bringing down the expectations. That only enourages the teachers to lessen the intensity of their efforts.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Here in Florida we suffer from not just one , but two Bushes. Double trouble.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Hey, if you're lucky he'll run in '08 and win! Then you don't have to worry about him doing any more damage to your state, he can spread himself across the country lessening the effects on you!

[Paisleyspeaker]

oh good lord I hope not. I don't think I could handle another 4 years of neo-con poliltics. I am sincerly hoping that the democrates get their poop in a group and put forward a good canidate.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So you'd rather have Bush focusing all of his efforts on your state than to be spreading them all across your country? You're not seriously that noble are you?

[Paisleyspeaker]

no, because of some law here he can't run again. When this term ends it is it for him as govenor.

[General Septem]

Did you know that the whole two-term presidency limit is just a tradition? It's actually not really a law, which is why FDR was able to run more than twice. And y'all know what that means, President Bush can run again.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I always heard that it was put into law AFTER FDR's term. It was because of FDR that they decided to put it into effect, since he had gained so much power that we were scared what might happen if another man is able to pull off being re-elected every time. The two term thing was decided on sort of for sentimental reasons, since Washington stepped down after 8 years.

[General Septem]

Oh, you're right. It was the 22nd Amendment that said you can't have more than two terms, which took effect in 1951.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Of course we are in a time of war right now. That's what kept FDR at the top. To my knowledge we've never switched our commander in chief during any war. So if Bush keeps expanding this thing in the middle east he might be able to stretch the laws a bit and stay in charge....:eek:

[General Septem]

He's pissed on every other amendment so I wouldn't be surprised. :/

[Paisleyspeaker]

The two term thing was decided on sort of for sentimental reasons, since Washington stepped down after 8 years.

If only they had taken his lead on the whole two party system. During his last speech as president he warned us about the perils of the two party political system.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Well they're trying to create some new parties. The Libertarian and Constitution Parties had a theoretical shot at the 2004 presidency, as well as the Green Party which appears to be building some strength. Give it a couple more elections and they'll build enough strength that we'll probably have our first Green President.

[Chigun]

The problem isn't just the schools. It's the nation-wide mindset thats being taken. Political correctness and all that rot.

(Didn't read recent posts. Responding to first.)

[General Septem]

The problem isn't just the schools. It's the nation-wide mindset thats being taken. Political correctness and all that rot.
That's partially why I advocate the use of the word "Nigger".

[beelzebub]

That's partially why I advocate the use of the word "Nigger".

That’s why you will live a short life, if you continue.

Try saying "NIGGER" in Baltimore or DC out loud. I hope your skinny white legs can quickly carry your beer belly and mop!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I make certain not to use the word around certain people because they will be offended by it. But if the Niggers around the country are allowed to throw the word around at each other every which way then everyone should be allowed to scream Nigger! There is no valid argument that could say otherwise when we are trying to make this a racially equivalent country. Saying otherwise would only inhibit the efforts of equality.

[beelzebub]

I make certain not to use the word around certain people because they will be offended by it. But if the Niggers around the country are allowed to throw the word around at each other every which way then everyone should be allowed to scream Nigger! There is no valid argument that could say otherwise when we are trying to make this a racially equivalent country. Saying otherwise would only inhibit the efforts of equality.

BBQ - you are "free" to shout all you want and they are free to respond to it.

Please come to my neck of the woods and practice you civil liberties. I will be glad to drop you off in the neighbor"hood" where your voice will be most appreciated.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Not true. If I say these certain words I can be punished and the law would agree. Meanwhile, they are free to respond to an extent. If they respond in kind, no problem. But they will more than likely respond with physical means, which is wrong, but still somehow the law will see that I was just as wrong as they were if not more wrong and they'll get away with much more than they should have.

[General Septem]

I heard this story once about a black man who murdered a white man. What happened was the white man came over and said the black man's rap music was too loud and his 8-year old daughter was sick and couldn't sleep or something. So the black man killed him. But the judge, who was not white, only charged the black man of involuntary manslaughter or something because the white man instegated it by calling him a "racial slur".

Since when is calling someone a nigger justification for them to kill you?

Of course anyone with a brain might reason that the black man instegated being called a nigger by being such a disrespectful and inconsiderate piece of shit.

Meanwhile the guy's 8-year old daughter has no father now, and Judge Nigger basically gave her the Italian elbow.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Italian Elbow? I'm not familiar with this term....but watch your back, somebody might be throwing some pasta at you in the near future....

[General Septem]

The Italian Elbow (Known in Italian as gesto dell'ombrello, in French as bras d'honneur):

Step 1. place both arms down by your side, clench fists.

Step 2. lift your left lower arm to the horizontal position and swing it over to touch your left wrist to the inside of your right elbow.

Step 3. raise your right lower arm so that your fist points straight up.

Step 4. If the Olympics threaten to disqualify you for giving the audience the elbow, tell them it was an involuntary muscle spasm caused by exertion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wladyslaw_Kozakiewicz)

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Okay, I guess I never really knew it had a name. I figured you were talking something a bit more physical. Generally that gesture is less offensive than the finger.

[General Septem]

So maybe Judge Nigger gave her the finger then. Hell, maybe he just assraped her over a hot stove.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Hell, maybe he just assraped her over a hot stove.


There you go! Now he's doing some damage, and should be relieved that he already killed daddy, because if he hadn't daddy woulda taken a baseball bat across da nigga's head a few times and then started making him hurt!

[beelzebub]

Not true. If I say these certain words I can be punished and the law would agree. Meanwhile, they are free to respond to an extent. If they respond in kind, no problem. But they will more than likely respond with physical means, which is wrong, but still somehow the law will see that I was just as wrong as they were if not more wrong and they'll get away with much more than they should have.

Ahhhh we see. The law outlines standard behavioral practices but cannot enforce them. I was speaking practically. You should be able to use what language you want. And you can but not without reprisal of the ignorant.

For example: Washington, DC's black Mayor, Anthony Williams, gladly accepted the resignation of his white staff member, David Howard, because Mr. Howard uttered the word 'niggardly' in a private staff meeting.
http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm
If you are shocked, check out the sequel in the tired old drama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

Crazy world, but you won’t catch me using the word "Nigger". (BTW yes, I do know the difference between the two)
Guess what? I am no less for it. I sacrifice nothing because it was nothing to begin with. I am better for it because I still have a job and my life :-)

[General Septem]

Not to mention "niggardly" doesn't even have anything to do with the word "nigger". And since it means cheap it would make more sense for it to be "kikedly" or "jewbaggedly" if it were based on a racial slur.

[beelzebub]

Not to mention "niggardly" doesn't even have anything to do with the word "nigger". And since it means cheap it would make more sense for it to be "kikedly" or "jewbaggedly" if it were based on a racial slur.

No shit Sherlock.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Not true. If I say these certain words I can be punished and the law would agree. Meanwhile, they are free to respond to an extent. If they respond in kind, no problem. But they will more than likely respond with physical means, which is wrong, but still somehow the law will see that I was just as wrong as they were if not more wrong and they'll get away with much more than they should have.


It's more an issue of responsibility and being reasonable that being right or wrong. If you were to go to DC or the hood in Baltimore and scream nigger your role in what happened must be looked at, you put yourself there. If each is punished for their level of responsiblity you carry some.

[melanie]

how do we define sexual harrassment now anyway? does kids can't play innocent jokes or games and being accused of harrassment... i guess kids now have to watch out their actions now...

[Nairbowsu]

i fucking agree that the school systems are run by Bureaucratic bastards. but the only reason this is so is because of dipshit lifeless assholes and watchdog organizations that say they try to make everything better but are just greedy fucking assholes that sue people over nothing and try to enforce a dictatorship from fear of getting sued if you dont follow their rules.

[beelzebub]

Anyone heard of National Board for Profesional Teaching Standards? I finished my portfolio March 27th & sent it in. I completed my test June 3rd I'll find out after Thanksgiving. anyone anyone?:confused:

I AM NATIONALLY BOARD CERTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found out today!

See if you can find me? Virginia, Alexandria City.....

[General Septem]

I AM NATIONALLY BOARD CERTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found out today!

You can find me on January 9, 2007 (public release) on this website:

NBCT Directory (http://www.nbpts.org/resources/nbct_directory)

Look under Virginia, Alexandria, Alexandria City Public Schools

See if you can find me?

I don't see it. :/

EDIT: never mind, you said it'll be there in January. :p

[freakazoid]

I AM NATIONALLY BOARD CERTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found out today!

You can find me on January 9, 2007 (public release) on this website:

NBCT Directory (http://www.nbpts.org/resources/nbct_directory)

Look under Virginia, Alexandria, Alexandria City Public Schools

See if you can find me?

Way awesome and cool. :p http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif Congrats!!!


Now that your board has been certified, what are you going to do with? :D

[beelzebub]

Way awesome and cool. :p Congrats!!!
Now that your board has been certified, what are you going to do with? :D

This certification is the highest level of certification that a teacher can get in the USA. It trumps all state requirements. It distinguishes teachers as "master teachers" and opens doors within the educational profession that are closed to teachers without it. For example: I can now be an evaluator of other teachers or become a science coordinator for a system.

I have every intention to go for a masters in administration if I stay in the education community. It also comes with a 50K bonus (stretched over 10 years).

[Ausinus]

Congratz.:D

[freakazoid]

This certification is the highest level of certification that a teacher can get in the USA. It trumps all state requirements. It distinguishes teachers as "master teachers" and opens doors within the educational profession that are closed to teachers without it. For example: I can now be an evaluator of other teachers or become a science coordinator for a system.

I have every intention to go for a masters in administration if I stay in the education community. It also comes with a 50K bonus (stretched over 10 years).

Sounds way cool http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif Hang in there!

[beelzebub]

Sounds way cool http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif Hang in there!

Thanks .......

I wonder why things become not so special after you get it? Is the grass always greener on the other side of the fence?