The Gay Agenda Targets Kids?

[thememan]

I have discovered difinitive proof that there has been a secret plot to turn children gay, stemming back to 1980's cartoons. Those with a weak stomach should beware:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Nc8RCLy1s

Disclaimer: I do not have anything against homosexuality, bisexuality, transexuality, or any form there of. I am fairly certain that practically every heterosexual man has tried to convince his girlfriend to go anal at some point in time, and every heterosexual woman has at some point had a really awesome shower in high school with the cheerleading squad(According to my movie collection, at least), thus we are all a bit gay. This is purely meant for humor reason only.

[MrJim]

Heh... that's funny, I don't remember that episode! :D


I am fairly certain that practically every heterosexual man has tried to convince his girlfriend to go anal at some point in time...

Your certainty falls short, my friend, I never have... WAIT...
Did you safeguard your statement with the word 'practically'? How original...

[thememan]

Heh... that's funny, I don't remember that episode! :D



It's one of the more obscure ones. :D



Your certainty falls short, my friend, I never have... WAIT...
Did you safeguard your statement with the word 'practically'? How original...

Alright, can we at least agree that every heterosexual female has had a really, really, really awesome shower moment with the cheerleading squad, then?

[WhiteRaven]

"Alright, can we at least agree that every heterosexual female has had a really, really, really awesome shower moment with the cheerleading squad, then?"

I wish...

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I am fairly certain that practically every heterosexual man has tried to convince his girlfriend to go anal at some point in time...

Maybe not EVERY one, but many at least. How ever, exactly how does this make you gay? It's heterosexual sex?

[MrJim]

Maybe not EVERY one, but many at least. How ever, exactly how does this make you gay? It's heterosexual sex?

Seems that having the desire to polish your wang with someone else's shit means SOMETHING is wrong with you....

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Seems that having the desire to polish your wang with someone else's shit means SOMETHING is wrong with you....

I never said I did, and I never have.

[MrJim]

I never said I did, and I never have.

It was more of an "anyone" form of "you".

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It was more of an "anyone" form of "you".

Oh, well, you marked something SOMETHING, but I might have miss taught that...

[MrJim]

Alright, can we at least agree that every heterosexual female has had a really, really, really awesome shower moment with the cheerleading squad, then?

Depends on if they think it's awesome. I'll say this, most girls experiment, some like it, some don't.

[MrJim]

Oh, well, you marked something SOMETHING, but I might have miss taught that...

That's what happens when you have such a nodescript noun for a screen name. :D

[hitekredneck]

That's what happens when you have such a nodescript noun for a screen name. :D

that's why i use an adjective combined with a societal slur :D

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That's what happens when you have such a nodescript noun for a screen name. :D

I guess. Very well, you know were I stand in this question then...

[MrJim]

that's why i use an adjective combined with a societal slur :D

I was just thinking of pizza when I came up with mine.. heh..

[thememan]

Maybe not EVERY one, but many at least. How ever, exactly how does this make you gay? It's heterosexual sex?

It's a joke. Man, I failed on delivery I guess.

I suppose I could go the Ron White route on how we're all a bit gay, but I'm to lazy.

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It's a joke. Man, I failed on delivery I guess.

I suppose I could go the Ron White route on how we're all a bit gay, but I'm to lazy.

Sorry, I'm not really a joke detector.

[General Septem]

According to Kinsey, 10% are straight, 10% are gay, and the remaining 80% falls somewhere in between.

Personally I think he made that shit up because he felt self-conscious about his own orientation... but that's just me. :D

However, I do think we can all agree that nearly every hot girl has had a three way with me and another hot girl... so maybe when it comes to women, he wasn't far off. :D

But does anal with a woman still make you part gay?

[chihuahua236]

According to Kinsey, 10% are straight, 10% are gay, and the remaining 80% falls somewhere in between.

Personally I think he made that shit up because he felt self-conscious about his own orientation... but that's just me. :D

However, I do think we can all agree that nearly every hot girl has had a three way with me and another hot girl... so maybe when it comes to women, he wasn't far off. :D

But does anal with a woman still make you part gay?

NOOOOOO!!!!!!At least i don't think so.....I hope not because I've done that wi.......to much info........:D :o

[MrJim]

According to Kinsey, 10% are straight, 10% are gay, and the remaining 80% falls somewhere in between.

Personally I think he made that shit up because he felt self-conscious about his own orientation... but that's just me. :D

Or maybe society is just pre-occupied with gayness. Nearly EVERYTHING incenuates somebody is gay. Got a nice haircut?... you must be gay. Cry during a movie?...yeah, that's gay. Blonde and pale?... oh yeah, you're gay. Watched Full House when you were a kid... yep, you guessed it.

There are so many people that I would have guessed were odd enough to be gay... and I was mistaken, as well as seen so many that I thought were straight but... surprise! GAY! But the overall percentage still seems pretty low...

[General Septem]

Or maybe society is just pre-occupied with gayness. Nearly EVERYTHING incenuates somebody is gay. Got a nice haircut?... you must be gay. Cry during a movie?...yeah, that's gay. Blonde and pale?... oh yeah, you're gay. Watched Full House when you were a kid... yep, you guessed it.

There are so many people that I would have guessed were odd enough to be gay... and I was mistaken, as well as seen so many that I thought were straight but... surprise! GAY! But the overall percentage still seems pretty low...

I think it would have been more accurate to say that 10% of the population isn't afraid they might be gay. The whole thing about "reacting sexually" to other men could well just be fear damning oneself. It's like trying not to laugh in Church.

Most men probably fear they might be gay at some point or another. It's something they're so afraid of that they start seeing implications everywhere they go that make them question. But what they don't understand is that if you're gay, you know you're gay. Gay men didn't realize they were gay because they felt jittery upon seeing a naked picture of some stud muffin. They just know that they're different.

[MrJim]

I think it would have been more accurate to say that 10% of the population isn't afraid they might be gay. The whole thing about "reacting sexually" to other men could well just be fear damning oneself. It's like trying not to laugh in Church.

Most men probably fear they might be gay at some point or another. It's something they're so afraid of that they start seeing implications everywhere they go that make them question. But what they don't understand is that if you're gay, you know you're gay. Gay men didn't realize they were gay because they felt jittery upon seeing a naked picture of some stud muffin. They just know that they're different.

Well, there is definitely a new attitude going around ‘Don’t knock it til you try it’... which implies the only to find out if you’re really gay or not is to engage in homosexuality ... bullshit... there are many things you know you won’t like without having to try and find out ... a lot of this new-age way of thinking crap is so stupid..

The way I see it, calling a straight kid a ‘fag’ or a ‘queer’ or whatever in school used to just be a way of picking on someone for being different. Now it’s morphing into calling a person who is sure of himself a ‘homophobe’ or ‘hyprocrite’ or ‘gay-basher’.... what the hell happened?

[WhiteRaven]

"Got a nice haircut?... you must be gay."

Having a nice haircut is one thing, putting conditioner in your hair, and curling it, then putting lovely red highlights in it, and rounding it off by shaving your chest, and your balls is quite another.

And as to anal sex with a girl, I would wonder why a straight man would want to have anal sex with a girl when she has a vagina right near by.

[chihuahua236]

"Got a nice haircut?... you must be gay."

Having a nice haircut is one thing, putting conditioner in your hair, and curling it, then putting lovely red highlights in it, and rounding it off by shaving your chest, and your balls is quite another.

And as to anal sex with a girl, I would wonder why a straight man would want to have anal sex with a girl when she has a vagina right near by.

hey there are 2 holes we can't be satisfied with 1 right guys?:D

[General Septem]

Having a nice haircut is one thing, putting conditioner in your hair, and curling it, then putting lovely red highlights in it, and rounding it off by shaving your chest, and your balls is quite another.

Shaving your chest and balls isn't gay. Shaving your arms and legs, on the other hand...

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hey there are 2 holes we can't be satisfied with 1 right guys?:D

I never had a problem with that. BTW they usually don't like it anyway.

[conspiracy]

I have discovered difinitive proof that there has been a secret plot to turn children gay, stemming back to 1980's cartoons. Those with a weak stomach should beware:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Nc8RCLy1s

Disclaimer: I do not have anything against homosexuality, bisexuality, transexuality, or any form there of. I am fairly certain that practically every heterosexual man has tried to convince his girlfriend to go anal at some point in time, and every heterosexual woman has at some point had a really awesome shower in high school with the cheerleading squad(According to my movie collection, at least), thus we are all a bit gay. This is purely meant for humor reason only.

Funny, You think it's a joke. I take it serious. You know that many nick children's show have started this GAY IS OK thing for quite a while now. I've actually sat down and done quite a bit of research on this.

I have a problem with the GAY community , wanna know what it is? They can't shut the fuck up! You wanna be GAY then fine , suck a dick , be a girl and eat just pussy, but to try and change the world and buck the system , C'mon now.

I had this conversation with a friend of mine recently about gays and their fight. I say let them be gay and shut the fuck up , there is NO need for gay marriage. Her reply is "What if Black men , intelligent black men did nothing about being slaves" , MY REPLY.....What the fuck does race have to do with homosexuality!!!!! The fight for equality among race has nothing to do with equality among gays. Homosexuality IS against natural responses to reproduction. IT IS A ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE TO A NATURAL WORLD!!! Why not treat it as such??

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IS against natural responses to reproduction. IT IS A ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE TO A NATURAL WORLD!!! Why not treat it as such??

You don't choose to be gay. It's something in your brain, I'm not sure what it is, but it is no choice.

And if the only thing you do is illegalizin' gay marriage it's okay.

[General Septem]

Gay people can and always have been able to get married, and if they can't there's something wrong with the system.

The thing is, marriage always has been and always will be between a man and a woman. It would be like saying they don't let environmentalists drive 18-wheelers because they don't make hybrid trucks.

[thememan]

Funny, You think it's a joke. I take it serious. You know that many nick children's show have started this GAY IS OK thing for quite a while now. I've actually sat down and done quite a bit of research on this.

I have a problem with the GAY community , wanna know what it is? They can't shut the fuck up! You wanna be GAY then fine , suck a dick , be a girl and eat just pussy, but to try and change the world and buck the system , C'mon now.

I had this conversation with a friend of mine recently about gays and their fight. I say let them be gay and shut the fuck up , there is NO need for gay marriage. Her reply is "What if Black men , intelligent black men did nothing about being slaves" , MY REPLY.....What the fuck does race have to do with homosexuality!!!!! The fight for equality among race has nothing to do with equality among gays. Homosexuality IS against natural responses to reproduction. IT IS A ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLE TO A NATURAL WORLD!!! Why not treat it as such??

You do know that homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomena, that isn't solely a human thing, right? Many, many, MANY animals have homosexual behavior, and there are many very good reasons for it occurring.

As well, sex is not necessarily simply for reproduction. It is also used in many cultures(Human cultures) as a means of strong interaction among people, socialization, and strengthening the bond of community. To say sex=reproduction only is a gross simplification, and complete misunderstanding of the purposes of sex. Reproduction is an important part of sex, but it is not the only purpose.

As well, would force heterosexual people who get married to have children? It's the same basic premise, if marriage is meant for child rearing(Which in no culture are the two synonomous with each other-but we are going with this notion that you seem to believe it is), and a couple refuses to have children, then they have no reason to get married, no?

As well, exactly how much would it hurt you if two homosexual people decided they wanted to get married, legally(Nobody is talking about forcing churches to marry people they don't want to), signifying that they love each other and wish to spend their lives together, as well as be granted the same legal protections(Many of which are extremely important) as their heterosexual counterparts?

I have made the suggestion of completely removing the idea of marriage from the state, replacing with a nearly identical system of "civil unions", that everyone(Heterosexuals and Homosexuals alike) would be able to receive. Want to get married? Go to a bloody church. It's not the states deal.

But that's my rant.

[thememan]

You don't choose to be gay. It's something in your brain, I'm not sure what it is, but it is no choice.

And if the only thing you do is illegalizin' gay marriage it's okay.

Hypothalamus, more than likely(The gland that is basically what is your sex drive). Females have a smaller hypothalamus than males(It's what secretes hormones). It has been found that homosexual males tend to have a smaller hypothalamus than the average heterosexual male, and homosexual females tend to have a larger hypothalamus than heterosexual females. Not necessarily conclusive(Due to a relatively small sample size), but very compelling evidence, that should be further looked into.

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Hypothalamus, more than likely(The gland that is basically what is your sex drive). Females have a smaller hypothalamus than males(It's what secretes hormones). It has been found that homosexual males tend to have a smaller hypothalamus than the average heterosexual male, and homosexual females tend to have a larger hypothalamus than heterosexual females. Not necessarily conclusive(Due to a relatively small sample size), but very compelling evidence, that should be further looked into.

Interesting. Thanks for the information.

[MrJim]

You don't choose to be gay. It's something in your brain, I'm not sure what it is, but it is no choice.

And if the only thing you do is illegalizin' gay marriage it's okay.


Hypothalamus, more than likely(The gland that is basically what is your sex drive). Females have a smaller hypothalamus than males(It's what secretes hormones). It has been found that homosexual males tend to have a smaller hypothalamus than the average heterosexual male, and homosexual females tend to have a larger hypothalamus than heterosexual females. Not necessarily conclusive(Due to a relatively small sample size), but very compelling evidence, that should be further looked into.

It is amazing, TRULY AMAZING, how many people really believe that our free will and ability to make life choices don't exist and that we are all slaves to chemical reactions and physical abnormalities in the brain. If you really believe that, tell me, exactly which part of my brain doesn't allow me to kick both of you in the nuts? Dare you to find it... oh wait... It DOESN'T EXIST... <WHACK!>

[General Septem]

What I want to know is, if you find tomboys (sexy girls that predominantly exhibit typically male behavior) hot, does that make you gay?

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It is amazing, TRULY AMAZING, how many people really believe that our free will and ability to make life choices don't exist and that we are all slaves to chemical reactions and physical abnormalities in the brain. If you really believe that, tell me, exactly which part of my brain doesn't allow me to kick both of you in the nuts? Dare you to find it... oh wait... It DOESN'T EXIST... <WHACK!>

Jim, we never said that. We were only talking about what makes you gay.

Unless your point is that you o belive that gay is a choice, but the general opinion is that it isn't.

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What I want to know is, if you find tomboys (sexy girls that predominantly exhibit typically male behavior) hot, does that make you gay?

Perhaps bi...

[MrJim]

What I want to know is, if you find tomboys (sexy girls that predominantly exhibit typically male behavior) hot, does that make you gay?

No, I don't think so, especially when you throw in "sexy girls that...". Women that have a lot in common with men can be particularly appealing. Now if you're a guy that's into butchy women with red mohawks or something like that, then you certainly have odd tastes, but are no more gay than women who dig sissy men.


Jim, we never said that. We were only talking about what makes you gay.

Oh really? I don't know how else could it have been interpreted, since gayness is indeed a choice. You either like butt or you like pussy... it's not a mental abnormality.


Unless your point is that you o belive that gay is a choice, but the general opinion is that it isn't.

Behold the fallacy of general opinion! :D

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Oh really? I don't know how else could it have been interpreted, since gayness is indeed a choice. You either like butt or you like pussy... it's not a mental abnormality.

Gayness is not a choice, your gay or not but you on't choose them. It would be like choosing what kind of food you like.


Behold the fallacy of general opinion! :D

Behold MrJim who knows everything and alwaays is correct...

[MrJim]

Behold MrJim who knows everything and alwaays is correct...

Temper, Temper! I don’t recall ever claiming to know EVERYTHING... but it does have a nice ring to it... let me give it a shot... I KNOW EVERYTHING!!!... hmm... somehow it just doesn’t give off the desired effect without bending matter with my thoughts...

[ajk]

Gayness is not a choice, your gay or not but you on't choose them. It would be like choosing what kind of food you like.

Alright well let's put it this way, some people may be more liable to be attracted to member's of their own sex, however that does not mean they have to or should act on it. Just because the feeling is there does not neccessarily make it good.

[thememan]

Oh really? I don't know how else could it have been interpreted, since gayness is indeed a choice. You either like butt or you like pussy... it's not a mental abnormality.

Er... it's called attraction. People do not choose who they are attracted to mate. Want a good experiment. Try really, really, really, REALLY hard to be attracted to a male. You won't. Why? You're not hardwired to be attracted.

Now, it is your choice to act upon attraction, but it is not in anyway your choice whether or not you are attracted to males or females.

As well, every homosexual person whom I have talked to has stated the otherwise. And it only makes sense. Why would any person choose a life of ridicule, choose a life being treated as a second class citizen, or choose to have an increased chance of violence being put forth to you? No person, none, would.

Homosexual attraction is not a choice, acting on such an attraction is(Just as being celebate is a choice-being celibate does not mean you are not attracted to anybody, but you choose not to act upon your attraction).

Honestly.

[thememan]

Alright well let's put it this way, some people may be more liable to be attracted to member's of their own sex, however that does not mean they have to or should act on it. Just because the feeling is there does not neccessarily make it good.

Nor does it make it wrong.

Honestly, when faced with "moral" questions(Which are vague and culturally specific), I ask one simple question:

"How does this harm others?"

Homosexuality, contrary to popular myths, does not harm anyone. At all. No studies have shown that it has any harm whatsoever on anybody. Thus, I find nothing wrong with it.

[General Septem]

As well, every homosexual person whom I have talked to has stated the otherwise. And it only makes sense. Why would any person choose a life of ridicule, choose a life being treated as a second class citizen, or choose to have an increased chance of violence being put forth to you? No person, none, would.

The emotional part of your brain doesn't think logically like that.

[thememan]

The emotional part of your brain doesn't think logically like that.

That implies that your emotions are at work. You do not control you emotions(If I could, for example, I would rid myself of my manic depression-you don't just will your emotions away). As well, it implies that you don't have control such emotions as well. Which in turn implies that homosexuality(At least the attraction there of) is not a choice.

[ajk]

Nor does it make it wrong.

Except that it is according to God.


Honestly, when faced with "moral" questions(Which are vague and culturally specific), I ask one simple question:

"How does this harm others?"

Homosexuality, contrary to popular myths, does not harm anyone. At all. No studies have shown that it has any harm whatsoever on anybody. Thus, I find nothing wrong with it.

Except that it does, it confuses children for one thing on just what marriage is. Not only that but it prevents children from being born to start with, which is or at least should be a major part of marriage, that family aspect.

[thememan]

Except that it is according to God.



You know, I always thought that God was loving and all. Forgiving of sins. You know. Not an asshole. But, I guess some people need him to be an pretentious ass.



Except that it does, it confuses children for one thing on just what marriage is.

I've seen more kids confused about God than I have about homosexuality. It's honestly not that hard of a concept to understand.



Not only that but it prevents children from being born to start with, which is or at least should be a major part of marriage, that family aspect.

In no culture is marriage synonomous with child rearing. None. Whatsoever.

What about my proposed civil union idea? Remove marriage from the government, replace it with civil unions(Which provide the same legal rights, as homosexual couples cannot receive these rights for themselves), and leave marriage to the church?

Either that or provide no legal rights to married couples.

Either way is fair. One has nasty side affects(The latter, not the former), the other not so much. What problem is that?

[ajk]

You know, I always thought that God was loving and all. Forgiving of sins. You know. Not an asshole. But, I guess some people need him to be an pretentious ass.

He is the things you mentioned (sans the last one). He's loving and forgiving, but he also has rules that need to be followed like any parent does. This is one of them.



I've seen more kids confused about God than I have about homosexuality. It's honestly not that hard of a concept to understand.

I think you're underestimating this a bit. I mean let's be honest here, if you have a 6 year old kid who's being raised by a man and a woman, and he sees kids that have two mommies or two daddies, he's going to be confused.


In no culture is marriage synonomous with child rearing. None. Whatsoever.

Without marriage, you really don't have a family. One cannot exist without the other.


What about my proposed civil union idea? Remove marriage from the government, replace it with civil unions(Which provide the same legal rights, as homosexual couples cannot receive these rights for themselves), and leave marriage to the church? Either that or provide no legal rights to married couples. Either way is fair. One has nasty side affects(The latter, not the former), the other not so much. What problem is that?

The problem is, is that it undermines what marriage and family truly is about. That is that one man and one woman come together out of love for one another to bring forth new life, and to raise that life or lives as they grow and enter the world.

[General Septem]

That implies that your emotions are at work. You do not control you emotions(If I could, for example, I would rid myself of my manic depression-you don't just will your emotions away). As well, it implies that you don't have control such emotions as well. Which in turn implies that homosexuality(At least the attraction there of) is not a choice.

You can't control your emotions? Damnedest thing.

[thememan]

He is the things you mentioned (sans the last one). He's loving and forgiving, but he also has rules that need to be followed like any parent does. This is one of them.



Judge not lest ye be judged, planks and dust in the eyes, and all that crazy jazz.

Moral of the story: We all sin. Pointing out other's sins and saying their sins are worse than your sins is very, very bad.

And if God picks and chooses which sins are worse than others(Without really specifically stating that one is worse than the other), especially after creating people with naturally built in attraction to the same sex, for example, then, well, God is an ass.



I think you're underestimating this a bit. I mean let's be honest here, if you have a 6 year old kid who's being raised by a man and a woman, and he sees kids that have two mommies or two daddies, he's going to be confused.


Your point? Kiddies get confused easily by a lot of things. Most of them don't know where the hell babies come from to begin with. Once they understand how that happens, however, I'm thinking they'll be old enough to understand why little Debbie has two daddies.



Without marriage, you really don't have a family. One cannot exist without the other.

Huh. My dad was a single father, and my family turned out just fine. Certainly a great deal better than many families I have seen, you know with the abusive fathers and mothers, neglected children, and all-out dysfunction.

And yet, that doesn't really exist in what I consider my family(My mom, though I love her, I do not consider "family" in the sense of being raised by her-which she did not even when she had custody of me and my siblings).

Moral of the story: You're wrong.



The problem is, is that it undermines what marriage and family truly is about. That is that one man and one woman come together out of love for one another to bring forth new life, and to raise that life or lives as they grow and enter the world.

Alright, so couples that can't have kids, or don't want to have kids, can't get married.

As well, we revert to plan B(Plan A was civil unions, actual marriage being seperated from the church, instead replacing it with a system which would grant all couples that wished to do so a means to be granted the same legal rights that married couples do now).

We remove all right involving marriage. married couples don't get power of attorney, married couples don't get to ride in ambulances with their spouse, married couples get no legal rights whatsoever. They just have the nifty badge that says "I'm married". No legal rights whatsoever. Choose one:

Either civil unions, where people gain legal rights.

Or Marriage, where there is no rights.

One or the other.

The biggest reason I am for gay marriage has nothing to do with "how is harming me", or even they "should be able to"(Both of which I agree with), but instead the legal rights obtained by married couples. I simply proposed a system which could grant those same rights to homosexual couples, without it being marriage. They aren't considered husband and husband, wife and wife, or even husband and wife as far as the State is concerned. If they want to do that, they need to find a church or what-have-you.

[thememan]

You can't control your emotions? Damnedest thing.

To an extent, no. If you fall in love with someone, for example, do you have control over it? Most would say no. And it makes sense. You don't choose who you fall in love with, in a sense, nor do you choose not to love someone. More or less.

As well, some emotions can be controlled, such as sadness to an extent, or happiness to an extent. But not completely. Go to a funeral of someone you truly cared for. Can you help but not to be sad? No.

As well, with depression, it is uncontrollable. Period. If you have never had it, you may very well never understand.

[ajk]

Judge not lest ye be judged, planks and dust in the eyes, and all that crazy jazz.

I'm only going by God's word. And his word strictly prohibits homosexual intercourse.


Moral of the story: We all sin. Pointing out other's sins and saying their sins are worse than your sins is very, very bad.

I never said one sin was worse then another. All sin is bad and must be avoided at all cost, lest we lose what Jesus gave us for free by dying on a cross.


And if God picks and chooses which sins are worse than others(Without really specifically stating that one is worse than the other), especially after creating people with naturally built in attraction to the same sex, for example, then, well, God is an ass.

He doesn't pick and choose what sins are worse and what aren't, all sin is equal to Him and all sin is to be avoided as I said before.


Your point? Kiddies get confused easily by a lot of things. Most of them don't know where the hell babies come from to begin with. Once they understand how that happens, however, I'm thinking they'll be old enough to understand why little Debbie has two daddies.

My point is it will impact how they view marriage and family as they get older.


Huh. My dad was a single father, and my family turned out just fine. Certainly a great deal better than many families I have seen, you know with the abusive fathers and mothers, neglected children, and all-out dysfunction.

Fair enough, but really for a well functioning, well rounded family, it helps to have both a mom and a dad at the center of it, instead of just one or the other. Not to discount your dad and the job he did mind you, but that's just my thoughts on this.


Alright, so couples that can't have kids, or don't want to have kids, can't get married.

For couples that can't have kids there is adoption don't forget. As for ones that don't want them, they are rejecting God really, in terms of what he made marriage for. It's not just all about the couple at that point.

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I'm only going by God's word. And his word strictly prohibits homosexual intercourse.



I never said one sin was worse then another. All sin is bad and must be avoided at all cost, lest we lose what Jesus gave us for free by dying on a cross.



He doesn't pick and choose what sins are worse and what aren't, all sin is equal to Him and all sin is to be avoided as I said before.

You don't think there's a special reason to why theese words exist?


Fair enough, but really for a well functioning, well rounded family, it helps to have both a mom and a dad at the center of it, instead of just one or the other. Not to discount your dad and the job he did mind you, but that's just my thoughts on this.

Allright, but they don't have to be married to have this.


For couples that can't have kids there is adoption don't forget. As for ones that don't want them, they are rejecting God really, in terms of what he made marriage for. It's not just all about the couple at that point.

But they can't have kids if they aren't married?

[ajk]

You don't think there's a special reason to why theese words exist?

Of course there is, he intends for his word to be followed, all of it.


Allright, but they don't have to be married to have this.

True, but the family is more likely to be stable if a marriage is at the center of it.


But they can't have kids if they aren't married?

I'm not saying they can't, but marriage is how God intended it to be done through.

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Of course there is, he intends for his word to be followed, all of it.

Well yes, but:

a) Why does he make theese rules?

b) Can we really know for sure that the bible is written by him?


True, but the family is more likely to be stable if a marriage is at the center of it.

How come? It's just a formality. A few written papers and ceremony.

[ajk]

Well yes, but:
a) Why does he make theese rules?

He makes the rules, because He knows that when we don't follow them, we won't be as happy as we could be.


b) Can we really know for sure that the bible is written by him?

We can't exactly prove this, and if you're looking for conclusive evidence, you aren't going to find it. It comes down to taking a leap of faith more then anything.


How come? It's just a formality. A few written papers and ceremony.

Because a marriage is more likely to stay together as opposed to two people just living together. Granted divorce rates are higher now then they used to be, but a marriage is still more binding.

[General Septem]

He doesn't pick and choose what sins are worse and what aren't, all sin is equal to Him and all sin is to be avoided as I said before.

So Saddam's rampage of mass murder wasn't any worse than a white lie?


For couples that can't have kids there is adoption don't forget. As for ones that don't want them, they are rejecting God really, in terms of what he made marriage for. It's not just all about the couple at that point.

The Earth's population is nearly seven billion. It is projected to reach eight billion shortly thereafter, and nine billion by the mid 2050s.

This is an incredible rate of growth considering the Earth's population never even reached one billion until the 1800s. For the majority of Earth's human populated history, our population plateaued between roughly 300-700 million.

It could be said that adding to this catastrophe is even more selfish than not having kids. Given the joy a child brings to a couple's lives, the selfishness may be justified, but personally I plan on adopting more kids than I have naturally.


As well, some emotions can be controlled, such as sadness to an extent, or happiness to an extent. But not completely. Go to a funeral of someone you truly cared for. Can you help but not to be sad? No.

As well, with depression, it is uncontrollable. Period. If you have never had it, you may very well never understand.

I used to be depressed. Nothing changed in my life since then, just my mindset. I chose to think highly of myself and everything fell into place. So maybe I don't have direct control over my emotions, but I have control over my mindset.

And as far as attraction goes, my attraction is as much logically based as anything else.

See, men and women think differently. Men think more logically, and women think more emotionally. That's why spiders don't creep most men out, but they'll make most women scream.


He is the things you mentioned (sans the last one). He's loving and forgiving, but he also has rules that need to be followed like any parent does. This is one of them.

Parent? There's a difference between "Father" and "parent". Parents impose restrictions. But we're not babies anymore. God knows this. That's why he gives us our freedom.

[General Septem]

He makes the rules, because He knows that when we don't follow them, we won't be as happy as we could be.

You're not as happy as you could be if you stopped living in fear and guilt.

[something]

He makes the rules, because He knows that when we don't follow them, we won't be as happy as we could be.

Are you sure? A lot of his rules doesn't seem to have an actual point.


We can't exactly prove this, and if you're looking for conclusive evidence, you aren't going to find it. It comes down to taking a leap of faith more then anything.

I understand that, but we can't just belive that the bible really is gods words. If god exists or not, yes, that doesn't requier evidence, it's a matter of beleifs, but how can we be sure that the bible really is written by him?


Because a marriage is more likely to stay together as opposed to two people just living together. Granted divorce rates are higher now then they used to be, but a marriage is still more binding.

But it's still the feelings for each other that matters. Marriage is only a formality.

[ajk]

Are you sure? A lot of his rules doesn't seem to have an actual point.

Well just think about it. Look at the modern world and all the problems that are going on within it. Numerous divorces, broken families, abortion, etc. Do you realize that a lot of why this is happening, is because we have deviated from God's word? We've rejected what God has to say about things, and as the saying goes you reap what you sow.


I understand that, but we can't just belive that the bible really is gods words. If god exists or not, yes, that doesn't requier evidence, it's a matter of beleifs, but how can we be sure that the bible really is written by him?

Well, it's not that God himself wrote it per se. But rather he wrote it through others. It's divinely inspired if that makes any sense.


But it's still the feelings for each other that matters. Marriage is only a formality.

Maybe so, but I stand by the fact that a couple that marries for the right reasons (and time will play out whether this is the case), are more likely to stay together as opposed to two people living together.

[General Septem]

Well just think about it. Look at the modern world and all the problems that are going on within it. Numerous divorces, broken families, abortion, etc. Do you realize that a lot of why this is happening, is because we have deviated from God's word? We've rejected what God has to say about things, and as the saying goes you reap what you sow.

The problem is that people are rebelling against religion because of hard feelings associated with all the coercion of the past. People were taught never to ask questions, so when they started asking questions, everything looked like bullshit to them.

[something]

Well just think about it. Look at the modern world and all the problems that are going on within it. Numerous divorces, broken families, abortion, etc. Do you realize that a lot of why this is happening, is because we have deviated from God's word? We've rejected what God has to say about things, and as the saying goes you reap what you sow

Compared to when? The Dark ages? The main reason to the increasing divorce rate is, probably not entirely, but to a big part cause womens have mre freedom today then about a hundred years ago. An there's a lot of things that is better thanks to people disobeying the bible. The entire concept with the earth orbiting around the sun wouldn't have been if we blindely followed the bible. A lot of our science in theese dyas wouldn't be if so.

[ajk]

Compared to when? The Dark ages? The main reason to the increasing divorce rate is, probably not entirely, but to a big part cause womens have mre freedom today then about a hundred years ago. An there's a lot of things that is better thanks to people disobeying the bible. The entire concept with the earth orbiting around the sun wouldn't have been if we blindely followed the bible. A lot of our science in theese dyas wouldn't be if so.

But there's still a lot of things that are worse. Look at the effect abortion has had on society. Many many women end up severely depressed when they realize what they've done.

[something]

But there's still a lot of things that are worse. Look at the effect abortion has had on society. Many many women end up severely depressed when they realize what they've done.

First off: Yes, but for many, no.

Second: Does it matter? They did it, as you said, cause they choosed it, and people will always feel bad cause of bad decissions in their life, and always have.

Third: Exactly how much does that affect the society?

[ajk]

All women who do it are effected by it, whether they admit it or not. And yes it does matter, because by choosing murder they reject God's gift of life given to them. Which just proves my point, in doing they that damage themselves.

As for how abortion itself has impacted society, well we've lost a generation or better through it. I was at my old elementary school this past week, and their park area was completely empty. Hardly a soul around the two days I was over there. I'm willing to bet that if abortion had not been legalized, that empty park would have had a heck of a lot more people in it then what I saw.

[WhiteRaven]

"To say sex=reproduction only is a gross simplification, and complete misunderstanding of the purposes of sex. Reproduction is an important part of sex, but it is not the only purpose."

There is a bigger problem, if sex is only about reproduction, why don't all humans just meet up every month or so and fuck the whole damn day away.
If it is about love, why is it so easy to lust after those you can't even stand as people. No, I think there is something in it that runs more deeply than either of those possibilities.

"Why would any person choose a life of ridicule, choose a life being treated as a second class citizen, or choose to have an increased chance of violence being put forth to you"

Ask an emo.

"You do not control you emotions"

If you accept them, you can learn to truly control them.

"He doesn't pick and choose what sins are worse and what aren't, all sin is equal to Him and all sin is to be avoided as I said before."

give me a break.

"you reap what you sow."

funny then how businessmen can be total pricks and still be absolutely successful.

[General Septem]

But there's still a lot of things that are worse.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson

[WhiteRaven]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. - Thomas Jefferson"

What a great quote...

[ajk]

"you reap what you sow."

funny then how businessmen can be total pricks and still be absolutely successful.

To the naked eye perhaps, but what you don't see is that a lot of those people that seem to have it all, aren't as happy as you may think they are.

[General Septem]

To the naked eye perhaps, but what you don't see is that a lot of those people that seem to have it all, aren't as happy as you may think they are.

Actually, yes they are. Or at least a good deal of them are.

[ajk]

Money does not buy happiness, it never has and it never will. You can have all the worldly possessions imaginable and still not be happy.

[General Septem]

Money does not buy happiness, it never has and it never will. You can have all the worldly possessions imaginable and still not be happy.

It doesn't necessarily buy happiness, but it can. You didn't answer the question. Agree or not, businessmen are successful, and a great deal of them live happy lives despite being pricks.

[ajk]

On the outside it may seem that way, but I'd be willing to bet behind closed doors it's a whole different story for a lot of people.

[General Septem]

On the outside it may seem that way, but I'd be willing to bet behind closed doors it's a whole different story for a lot of people.

This argument doesn't work.

[ajk]

Why is that?

[General Septem]

Why is that?

Because of what I've been saying. You keep saying "I'm sure they're not happy" but you really have no idea. You're using circular logic, coming to conclusions based on the conclusion.

[WhiteRaven]

"To the naked eye perhaps, but what you don't see is that a lot of those people that seem to have it all, aren't as happy as you may think they are."

you are missing the point here, success does not equate to happiness, and being happy every second is bad for you. I was reffering to their material success, why do they have such success if they have such a karmic debt? Perhaps it is because karma does not exist.

[hitekredneck]

"To the naked eye perhaps, but what you don't see is that a lot of those people that seem to have it all, aren't as happy as you may think they are."

you are missing the point here, success does not equate to happiness, and being happy every second is bad for you. I was reffering to their material success, why do they have such success if they have such a karmic debt? Perhaps it is because karma does not exist.

perpetual happiness is a myth, anyway...unless yer loaded up on happy pills/juice your whole life long :rolleyes:
as for your argument with ajk, i don't think he actually believes in happiness outside religion :cool:

[WhiteRaven]

Perpetual happiness is a myth, and if it did exist it would destroy your mind. If someone is happy all the time then something is wrong with them.

[MrJim]

Er... it's called attraction. People do not choose who they are attracted to mate. Want a good experiment. Try really, really, really, REALLY hard to be attracted to a male. You won't. Why? You're not hardwired to be attracted.

Now, it is your choice to act upon attraction, but it is not in anyway your choice whether or not you are attracted to males or females....

It is indeed a choice to act upon an attraction, but... this attraction is probably not a "hard-wiring" on a biological level, but more than likely a lifestyle change brought on by life events, ex. an abusive parent or spouse/partner, overwhelming desire to participate in activities unnatural to their gender, contempt for having children, or other psychological tendencies.

Some gay couples don't even partake in physical acts (asexual)... Some people weave in and out of being gay and straight regularly... most, if not ALL gay people can make a statement about someone of the opposite sex about whether or not they are attractive... Where do these circumstances fit into a biological equation?

Now, here's another doozy... you wanted me to try really had to be attracted to a male... it does not happen, I am only attracted to females, you're right in that assumption... but what if my mother had beat me every day? What if I had gay parents? What if I was sent to jail/prison for commiting crimes out of a sick mind stemming from childhood, and was raped by inmates? What would these events have done to my mind if you were to ask me this question under different circumstances? Think about it..

[MrJim]

Rather than quoting all of the ajk...thememan...GS...something argument that went rampant this weekend, I'll just state my case on a few of the thoughts presented:

1) Manic Depressive's: I'm not sure what psychological disorders have to do with this discussion, but I was diagnosed with Manic Depression, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, ADDHD, I am somewhat of an insomniac, I suffer panic attacks regularly, and just about every single mental disorder known to man I have dealt with pretty much my entire 26 years of existence. As a 10-year-old kid I was given a number of pyscological drugs... it was like role call... this one keeps my chin up, this one keeps me focused, this one keeps me from punching people... etc.

Still suffering from these disorders as an adult, I no longer take ANY pills, whatsoever, sometimes with a seemingly disasterous outcome... but I'm still here, dealing with it, and I refuse to take medicine to make me a happy little vegetable so that I can be under chemical control and living a lie. And for the most part, I am doing better than if were still taking Paxil or Zoloft or any of those medications. Maybe if more people would kick the drugs and learn to cope with depression by finding happiness in something else, learn to be thankful for life, and quit blaming themselves or God or whoever for being so depressed, they could cure their disorders on a psychological level on their own.

2) NOT all sins are created equal. Telling a lie to keep from hurting someone and purposely stabbing and robbing someone are two completely different sins and should be treated as such... and they are, according to the law.

3) Money buys happiness for a while... then, once you have everything you can possibly buy, without any further goals, life may seem to become pointless... ex. why rock stars turn to drugs... on the other hand, if you don't think on a certain level money is important for having a happy life, try living without it... ya dig?

4) Perpetual happiness is a myth. Without pain or sadness once in a while, happiness is irrelevant to anything, for one. Second, becoming fat, lazy, bored, and an outcast (because commoners don't want anything to do with you) are unhealthy for body & mind anyway.

[WhiteRaven]

"Maybe if more people would kick the drugs and learn to cope with depression by finding happiness in something else, learn to be thankful for life, and quit blaming themselves or God or whoever for being so depressed, they could cure their disorders on a psychological level on their own."

Thank you MrJim! To add to this: about 2 months ago I stopped taking all my happy pills, I'm not finding it that difficult to cope without them either. I did feel upset a couple of times, but now I've never felt better.

This is something I can't stress enough. STOP LOOKING TO EXTERNAL SOURCES FOR HELP! You decide what you are entitled to, not the doctor, not god, not the devil, not Mr. fartknocker, your second grade teacher, you do.

[ajk]

At the same time, there are some things that it wouldn't be a bad idea to get help in dealing with, like depression or alcoholism, etc.

[WhiteRaven]

you should not rely on others to help with things you lack the strength and knowledge to do for yourself, eventually there will come a time when they are not there, and then you will be broken.

[General Septem]

You should never rely on anyone or anything but yourself. You're the only one who will never fail you.

Of course, trusting God goes without saying because God is a part of you. That means don't sit around expecting him to cure all your problems. If you do nothing, what can you expect God, who is a part of you, to do? Baby you? God would never make matters worse in such a way.

[WhiteRaven]

Pantheism rules.

[General Septem]

Pantheism rules.

I don't get it.

[ajk]

You should never rely on anyone or anything but yourself. You're the only one who will never fail you.

Of course, trusting God goes without saying because God is a part of you. That means don't sit around expecting him to cure all your problems. If you do nothing, what can you expect God, who is a part of you, to do? Baby you? God would never make matters worse in such a way.

Yeah, but at the same time you have to be able to realize that there are certain things you really can't take care by yourself and only by yourself.

[General Septem]

Yeah, but at the same time you have to be able to realize that there are certain things you really can't take care by yourself and only by yourself.

I can take care of anything that comes my way. I have God on my side. I can't rely on anyone else because I can't trust anyone else.

[ajk]

I can take care of anything that comes my way. I have God on my side. I can't rely on anyone else because I can't trust anyone else.

I meant letting God give you the strength you need to do whatever it is you need to do, particularly in terms of addictions in their various forms. Though it doesn't hurt to get support from other people when dealing with that sort of thing either.

[WhiteRaven]

"I don't get it."

Pantheism- from Pan meaning all and theos meaning god. Pantheism is the belief that god is everything that exists.

[WhiteRaven]

"I don't get it."

Pantheism- from Pan meaning all and theos meaning god. Pantheism is the belief that god is everything that exists.

[Walter Weiss]

Gay is not normal. Gay is not natural. No one should be persecuted over the issue. Gay is a form of perversion. It is a fact that some gay groups recruit young people. It is a fact that some gays (and some so-called straights) will molest a child. Anytime a pervert has designs to create a mass recruitment of children, or include children in some sort of perverted agenda, then it is conspiracy to have sex with kids.

The "normalizing" of faggotry created a vote-cow for the demorat party to milk. That is all that it was.

If you are a man, and you have an uncontrolled desire to force your male organ into the anus of another man, then you need professional psycholigical help. That sort of behavior is not sex...it is perversion. Sex was nature's way of triggering the pro-creative drive in our species. Two fags cannot pro-create.....they can only engage in perverted bullshit that the body was not designed for. The anus was designed for the elimination of solid waste material from the body. Using a solid waste disposal expulsion point on the human body for a sex act, is a perversion that nature did not intend. Telling children and adults that this behavior is normal....followed by telling them to vote demorat.....should pretty well tell you that normalizing faggotry was a demorat plot to exploit weaker minded perverts into voting demorat as a group. They have taken this politics into the classroom, and some public schools now have a gay student council and a straight student council. This clearly endangers our young.

[WhiteRaven]

ya know, Walter, you would fit in well with this guy here. (http://www.tencommandments.org/)

[something]

Walter, just beacuse something isn't normal, doesn't it mean it is sick.

[thememan]

Can we all agree that Walter is an idiot? Seriously? We all may have differing views on this, but him basically saying that all child molesters are gay(Or at least implying it) is complete bullshit of the first kind.

Honestly, child molestors are more put on by the sense of empowerment than anything else(Same as rapists), and sex has little to do with it.

[General Septem]

Gay is not normal. Gay is not natural. No one should be persecuted over the issue. Gay is a form of perversion. It is a fact that some gay groups recruit young people. It is a fact that some gays (and some so-called straights) will molest a child. Anytime a pervert has designs to create a mass recruitment of children, or include children in some sort of perverted agenda, then it is conspiracy to have sex with kids.

The "normalizing" of faggotry created a vote-cow for the demorat party to milk. That is all that it was.

If you are a man, and you have an uncontrolled desire to force your male organ into the anus of another man, then you need professional psycholigical help. That sort of behavior is not sex...it is perversion. Sex was nature's way of triggering the pro-creative drive in our species. Two fags cannot pro-create.....they can only engage in perverted bullshit that the body was not designed for. The anus was designed for the elimination of solid waste material from the body. Using a solid waste disposal expulsion point on the human body for a sex act, is a perversion that nature did not intend. Telling children and adults that this behavior is normal....followed by telling them to vote demorat.....should pretty well tell you that normalizing faggotry was a demorat plot to exploit weaker minded perverts into voting demorat as a group. They have taken this politics into the classroom, and some public schools now have a gay student council and a straight student council. This clearly endangers our young.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a character actor.

[MrJim]

Can we all agree that Walter is an idiot? Seriously? We all may have differing views on this, but him basically saying that all child molesters are gay(Or at least implying it) is complete bullshit of the first kind.

Honestly, child molestors are more put on by the sense of empowerment than anything else(Same as rapists), and sex has little to do with it.

While I don't agree with WW on many things ... child molestation, rape, and homosexuality can certainly be grouped into abnormal, and for the most part, sick sexual behaviors, so there is nothing unfair about the statement IMO.

[thememan]

While I don't agree with WW on many things ... child molestation, rape, and homosexuality can certainly be grouped into abnormal, and for the most part, sick sexual behaviors, so there is nothing unfair about the statement IMO.

Abnormal? Perhaps. It isn't exactly a "normal"(I.E. majority-I find nothing at all wrong with homosexuality, personallY).

But I wouldn't group them in with child molestation or rape.

There is a massively broad line between what two consenting adults do, and what an adult does to a child, or an adult forces upon another. A massive line.

And I was implying that he was saying that basically all child molesters were gay, which is quite simply not true. As I said, child molestation is more so about empowerment than anything else.

[MrJim]

Abnormal? Perhaps. It isn't exactly a "normal"(I.E. majority-I find nothing at all wrong with homosexuality, personallY).

But I wouldn't group them in with child molestation or rape.

There is a massively broad line between what two consenting adults do, and what an adult does to a child, or an adult forces upon another. A massive line.

And I was implying that he was saying that basically all child molesters were gay, which is quite simply not true. As I said, child molestation is more so about empowerment than anything else.

I agree with the first part of your post, there is definitely a difference from a moral (and legal) standpoint. But, I can also understand why some people will make this assocation, since they are all psychological disorders related to sex.

[something]

I agree with the first part of your post, there is definitely a difference from a moral (and legal) standpoint. But, I can also understand why some people will make this assocation, since they are all psychological disorders related to sex.

If you are gay, I don't think sex is the issue. Think about it, how are they else supposed to do it?

[MrJim]

If you are gay, I don't think sex is the issue. Think about it, how are they else supposed to do it?

Not exactly sure what that meant.

[something]

Not exactly sure what that meant.

I meant that if you love someone, sex is a logical outcome.

[MrJim]

I meant that if you love someone, sex is a logical outcome.

I love many people where sex doesn't apply.. :confused:

[something]

I love many people where sex doesn't apply.. :confused:

Not that kinda love. Wouldn't it be incredibly anoyin' to be married and not be able to have sex with your wife?

[MrJim]

Not that kinda love. Wouldn't it be incredibly anoyin' to be married and not be able to have sex with your wife?

I'm still not sure how all of this ties together... what does this have to do with what has been posted?

[something]

I'm still not sure how all of this ties together... what does this have to do with what has been posted?

Allright long version.

It seems like many of the posters here thinks that it is the sex part with gay tha makes it wrong. And some of you thinks that that is the entire point with it. I can agree upon that homosexual sex may appear a bit occuard, but that isn't the point with being gay. They love each other, they want to have sex, anus is the only way in, understand?

[General Septem]

Allright long version.

It seems like many of the posters here thinks that it is the sex part with gay tha makes it wrong. And some of you thinks that that is the entire point with it. I can agree upon that homosexual sex may appear a bit occuard, but that isn't the point with being gay. They love each other, they want to have sex, anus is the only way in, understand?

Without the sexual aspect, we'd all love each other in the same way. Romantic attraction is just love mixed with physical, sexual attraction.

[something]

Without the sexual aspect, we'd all love each other in the same way. Romantic attraction is just love mixed with physical, sexual attraction.

*sigh* so why does gay people have sex then?

[General Septem]

*sigh* so why does gay people have sex then?

What is your point?

[something]

What is your point?

My point (from the beginning) is that gay is not a mental disorder related to sex.

[General Septem]

My point (from the beginning) is that gay is not a mental disorder related to sex.

It is related to sex, because technically it's a sexual attraction to the same gender.

[something]

It is related to sex, because technically it's a sexual attraction to the same gender.

You just said that a romantic attracion doesn't have anything to do with sex.

[General Septem]

You just said that a romantic attracion doesn't have anything to do with sex.

No, I said: "Without the sexual aspect, we'd all love each other in the same way. Romantic attraction is just love mixed with physical, sexual attraction." In other words, romantic attraction has everything to do with sex. In other words, it's not that gay people just "love each other". They're sexually attracted to each other, which is the point WW and MJ were trying to make, that it has everything to do with sex.

[WhiteRaven]

"They love each other, they want to have sex, anus is the only way in"

There is also the mouth.

[something]

"They love each other, they want to have sex, anus is the only way in"

There is also the mouth.

fine. TWO ways in.

[MrJim]

Allright long version.

It seems like many of the posters here thinks that it is the sex part with gay tha makes it wrong. And some of you thinks that that is the entire point with it. I can agree upon that homosexual sex may appear a bit occuard, but that isn't the point with being gay. They love each other, they want to have sex, anus is the only way in, understand?

That went without saying.

What I want to know is why you couldn't believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder... it is abnormal psychological behavior, which is a mental disorder. If you want to say otherwise, you also have to discount manic depression, schizophrenia, OCD and other disorders as being "natural" to some people.

[Walter Weiss]

Quote-"Something" - I meant that if you love someone, sex is a logical outcome.

Reply: Is sex with your Momma a logical outcome if you happen to be her Son? Do you normalize that? Do your siblings do it too? You sound like one big happy family.....???? Are you for real???

Quote-"Something" - *sigh* so why does gay people have sex then?

Reply: Because they want to have sex with another pervert, and scream "normal" to attempt to "normalize it." If it was normal already, then you would not have to make all this effort to normalize it. Therefore, it ought to be obvious to all that this is abnormal behavior.

Quote-"Something" - My point (from the beginning) is that gay is not a mental disorder related to sex.

Reply: Everything you have said indicates SEX. Everything you have said indicates perverts. Perversion is a disorder. "Gay" is a perversion.

Quote-"Something" - Walter, just beacuse something isn't normal, doesn't it mean it is sick.

Reply: Shoving your schwantze into someone's little boy isnt normal, and it is definitely gay, and it is definitely sick, and it is definitely violent and definitrely wrong. However; the portion of your quote effecting "isnt normal - isnt sick" taken on other subjects could have some merit to it. For instance, it isnt normal for my wife to go to the grocery store on Saturday. If she would happen to choose to go on Saturday, it doesnt make her sick. However; you seem to intend the meaning for your post to be that of a same-sex or child-sex situation, and neither of those pursuits can be considered healthy mental behaviors, and neither would ever be considered a normal behavior, therefore it must be an abnormal behavior and a sick behavior. Politicizing these behaviors and calling them "normal" doesnt make them normal. It makes them "politicized."

[Walter Weiss]

Quote-"thememan" - Can we all agree that Walter is an idiot? Seriously? We all may have differing views on this, but him basically saying that all child molesters are gay(Or at least implying it) is complete bullshit of the first kind. Honestly, child molestors are more put on by the sense of empowerment than anything else(Same as rapists), and sex has little to do with it.

Reply: Moron....no one in here ever said or implied that all child molestors are "gay." If you read the post you would have noted that it also said that straight people were capable of molesting a child. Gay = same-sex sexual contact. When a fruitzoid male attacks a child that is male and forces or exploits the child into the sex act, then it adds up to same-sex sexual contact, which we know to be "gay" based, and therefore it was a gay act, as well as a violent act. If a straight person does it, then it is straight-based. In both cases it is both violent, and it is sexual.

You cant just toss the terms "gay" and "sexual" out the door just because you have a child victim. If it was a sex act, then it was sexual. It the attack was on a child, then it is always violent, even if the child was lured and exploited into consenting, because crimes against children are violent crimes. If it was same-sex contact, then it was also "gay." Kids are basically defenseless against many adult perpetrators.

You cannot absolve a perpetrator of committing a sex act, just because you and the perpetrator want to scream "gay" or you want to scream that your victim was a "child" and not an adult. Sex with kids is sex....AND it is violent and criminal.....same-sex sexual contact is perverted faggotry and "gay"....whether child or adult involved......period.

Questions: Are you defending these sort of behaviors? Or are your just asking questions here? Are kids safe in your presence?

[hitekredneck]

That went without saying.

What I want to know is why you couldn't believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder... it is abnormal psychological behavior, which is a mental disorder. If you want to say otherwise, you also have to discount manic depression, schizophrenia, OCD and other disorders as being "natural" to some people.

exactly....clinical tests repeatedly show that homosexuals have a different chemical composition in their brains which likely causes the abnormal behaviour....

[Walter Weiss]

That went without saying.

What I want to know is why you couldn't believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder... it is abnormal psychological behavior, which is a mental disorder. If you want to say otherwise, you also have to discount manic depression, schizophrenia, OCD and other disorders as being "natural" to some people.

If you will read what Mr. Jim wrote, and you happened to be a person with some common sense, you will see that Mr. Jim has hit the nail directly on the head. We dont have to hate these folks....but we do have to call it like it is, and not hide this crap under a veil of false-normalcy in order to satisfy a few shrieking freakzoids.

There is no anatomical evidence or any other form of evidence to indicate that shoving your thing up another guy's azz is a normal act. IT IS NOT NORMAL to want to do that. If you are doing it, stop it immediately and take a bath. If you cant stop it, then get yourself to a shrink to find out why you think you need to mount other guys in the booty. This is deviance. This is nastiness. This is disgusting. Anyone knows that any rump rangers would possibly mount a kid, and we all know it, because the same thing that made them choose the life of a rump ranger would have them choosing to take a child in the booty. But when you say this fact out loud, in response to it, the rump ranger protection squad goes into action to slam on you for saying it. We have members of the rump ranger protection squad operating right in here in these blog rooms, chat rooms, and bulletin boards. By the way, these folks vote demorat dont they?

Why is it these freaks want "racial" style rights? They have social security cards, what more do they want? What is "gay rights?" They have already the rights of an American life, do they really think that they need something extra because they champion anal sex with same-sex partners? Or they muff dive with another chick? What the hell are we doing here?

Why cant these mattress munchers keep their bedroom life in the bedroom, and out of the way? Why do they have to advertise? If they are going to do that, the rest of us dont need to hear or see it.

The moral of the story.....Keep your kids where it is safe. Send the fruitzoids and rump rangers out of the day care centers, because those arent mentally healthy people. Dont feed into normalizing this crap, because it is not normal behavior. Dont hate them....dont persecute them....dont abuse them. But do use common sense where they are concerned, for they are not mentally healthy people, and there are some risks involved in dealing with them where kids are concerned. Praise the ones who are trying to get help. They obviously need it.

[MrJim]

Why cant these mattress munchers keep their bedroom life in the bedroom, and out of the way? Why do they have to advertise? If they are going to do that, the rest of us dont need to hear or see it.

Thanks for using for some common sense with this... heh... I know, that's nothing to be praised for usually since it's a simple expectation from everyone, but, around here, any use of common sense is something that is often bypassed....

I singled out this single paragraph simply because it's something I haven't understood for the longest time (keep in mind I find nothing 'evil' but just 'abnormal' with homosexuality)... but over the past 10-20 years or so, there has been this preoccupation with being gay, like, if one is gay, he/she must SCREAM TO THE WORLD this fact, which is unnecessary. As if not making it widely known is the equivalent to being scared of public opinion.

Well... if you're scared of public opinion, IMO, you should not be alive, seriously, because over the course of a lifetime, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of living without running into a conflict, since everyone is genetically and psychologically different.

That being said, DON'T GLAMORIZE being gay. Simply because straight people don't gamorize being straight. After all, glamorizing makes something abnormal, which means gay people are admitting to being abnormal by flaunting it.

[hitekredneck]

Thanks for using for some common sense with this... heh... I know, that's nothing to be praised for usually since it's a simple expectation from everyone, but, around here, any use of common sense is something that is often bypassed....

I singled out this single paragraph simply because it's something I haven't understood for the longest time (keep in mind I find nothing 'evil' but just 'abnormal' with homosexuality)... but over the past 10-20 years or so, there has been this preoccupation with being gay, like, if one is gay, he/she must SCREAM TO THE WORLD this fact, which is unnecessary. As if not making it widely known is the equivalent to being scared of public opinion.

Well... if you're scared of public opinion, IMO, you should not be alive, seriously, because over the course of a lifetime, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of living without running into a conflict, since everyone is genetically and psychologically different.

That being said, DON'T GLAMORIZE being gay. Simply because straight people don't gamorize being straight. After all, glamorizing makes something abnormal, which means gay people are admitting to being abnormal by flaunting it.

ya know, jim...i really am beginning to enjoy your posts...you're starting to show a helluva lotta common sense which is unusual in most texans :D

[MrJim]

ya know, jim...i really am beginning to enjoy your posts...you're starting to show a helluva lotta common sense which is unusual in most texans :D

Thanks, hitek, and, I’m sorry to hear that you think Texans lack common sense. But it REALLY IS true.. we DO all live out in the sticks, and ain’t none of us got no learnin’... I mean, just look at the little one-horse town I live in:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t43/MrJim_photos/fort-worth-skyline2.jpg

[Walter Weiss]

Mr. Jim;

I do admire your posts....your ways of communicating...even when you are on my case about something. I respect you very much. Thanks for your comments.

Please know that I dont hate the mattress munchers of the world....I cant control who or what they are or become, and I really dont want to presume to control anything or anyone beyond my single vote at the polls. I dont hate them, and I think it is wrong to abuse them. But I have to say that many people are tired of the mattress munchers making political in-roads into the sexual development of our youth. Many people are also tired of the mattress munchers squealing for extra rights over and above what everyone else has in this country, just because the munchers feel that they want to glorify and normalize sexual deviance. Extra rights for fags.....jeeeez, what bullshit ! !

Mattress munchers existing in the world are a fact of life. We cant get rid of them. But I wish that they would at least put politeness back into the equation by leaving their kinky sex at home in the bedroom like everyone else does, and not placing it on bumper stickers, promoting it among juveniles in public schools, squealing for kudos on political platforms, forming gay student councils.....gay television....promoting fruitdom is a ridiculous cause to pursue. Recognition and public praise for doing it in the backdoor of another guy....disgusting....ridiculous.

In the way of the mattress muncher, why does their politics have to go where their pecker or their azzhole goes? Cant these freaks leave the deviate sex at home, and instead, champion good causes that advance mankind without having to run around all fagged out screaming for extra rights for deviants? They have gone way to0 far with this gay politics freaky bullshit. There has been so much publication of this deviate fagged out garbage in the press and on TV, that now even the kids are getting confused on the subject of sexual development. It is a disgusting state of affairs.

If they want to be fruitzoids, then by all means be fruitzoids....but stay home with it.....be faggotss in private. We dont need to know, nor do we want to know what fruitzoids do in their bedroom. I really dont hate them, I dont believe in abusing them, but I wholeheartedly refuse to support any politician that would support their efforts to politicize and normalize deviance. It's stupid to say the least.

[Walter Weiss]

Damn Hite....so you say that in your opinion anyone from Texas lacks sense? It's a geographic matter for you? Can you give some examples?

I live in Fort Worth myself. Seems to be enough sense around here for the citizens to run one of the best State / local economy programs in the USA.

Jeeeeez....whatsa matta which U ?? Are you still crazy?? You once told me you were cured ! I believed you when you told me your were cured.

Hite, you said that crazy thing to Mr. Jim in connection with your having read one of the gay-subject matter posts. The question many of us would have for you would be: Are you a closet mattress muncher that has become offended ?

It is not necessary that you answer, because staying in the closet is the best thing in that situation.

If we have offended your personal sensibilities, then please accept an appology.

[MrJim]

I live in Fort Worth myself.

Damn, the world just keeps getting smaller, doesn’t it? Well, I don’t know if you take the paper or not Wally, but if you do and you are browsing the automotive and recruitment ads, you may very well be viewing my work!

[hitekredneck]

Thanks, hitek, and, I’m sorry to hear that you think Texans lack common sense. But it REALLY IS true.. we DO all live out in the sticks, and ain’t none of us got no learnin’... I mean, just look at the little one-horse town I live in:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t43/MrJim_photos/fort-worth-skyline2.jpg

don't take no offense there, jim...i actually was raised in houston...actually, in the 5th ward during the early 70's....(shudders)...weren't a very good neighborhood...the biggest thing i like about any texan, is their sense of humor...i might just have to look you up the next time i go thru ft worth...we'llo have to sit down to some chili, beer, and serious bullshitting, whattya thank? :D

[hitekredneck]

Damn Hite....so you say that in your opinion anyone from Texas lacks sense? It's a geographic matter for you? Can you give some examples?

I live in Fort Worth myself. Seems to be enough sense around here for the citizens to run one of the best State / local economy programs in the USA.

Jeeeeez....whatsa matta which U ?? Are you still crazy?? You once told me you were cured ! I believed you when you told me your were cured.

Hite, you said that crazy thing to Mr. Jim in connection with your having read one of the gay-subject matter posts. The question many of us would have for you would be: Are you a closet mattress muncher that has become offended ?

It is not necessary that you answer, because staying in the closet is the best thing in that situation.

If we have offended your personal sensibilities, then please accept an appology.

wally wally wally....please, mang...for your own protection....put down the crack pipe and step away from the puter...mebbe if ya return after the shakes subside you might make some sense...btw, wtf is a mattress muncher?...is that the same as a carpet muncher?...sorry, guess i get behind what with work and all:rolleyes:

[MrJim]

don't take no offense there, jim...i actually was raised in houston...actually, in the 5th ward during the early 70's....(shudders)...weren't a very good neighborhood...the biggest thing i like about any texan, is their sense of humor...i might just have to look you up the next time i go thru ft worth...we'llo have to sit down to some chili, beer, and serious bullshitting, whattya thank? :D

No offense taken, just being my regular, smartass self :D I wouldn't mind hanging at the bar if you came around these parts... I still think we should have a bullshit convention one day... it'd be fun... lots of drinking, socializing... we could take turns kicking Aussie and theicidal in the nuts... heh... it'd be great, man!

[hitekredneck]

No offense taken, just being my regular, smartass self :D I wouldn't mind hanging at the bar if you came around these parts... I still think we should have a bullshit convention one day... it'd be fun... lots of drinking, socializing... we could take turns kicking Aussie and theicidal in the nuts... heh... it'd be great, man!

hell, i'm thinkin the and aus have grown beyond us, buddy...haven't seen nor heard from either in months...sucks, too...those too were always good fer entertainment...:D

[General Septem]

wally wally wally....please, mang...for your own protection....put down the crack pipe and step away from the puter...mebbe if ya return after the shakes subside you might make some sense...btw, wtf is a mattress muncher?...is that the same as a carpet muncher?...sorry, guess i get behind what with work and all:rolleyes:

I think he means pillow biter.

[hitekredneck]

I think he means pillow biter.

ahhh...now i see...anybody that disagree's with wally's a faggot, right?....too bad for the pseudo-intellectualism that he seems to revel in...he's so big on the republicrat party he ignores the blatant actions they perform against the laws just like the demicans...as far as i'm concerned, you can't tell the difference anymore....i think it's high time we institute laws demanding common sense in our politicians...if we can find such :cool:

[WhiteRaven]

what are republicrats and demicans?

[hitekredneck]

what are republicrats and demicans?

shit, i'm sorry...the two parties seem so similar that i have a tendancy to blend em :D

[Walter Weiss]

Well gee hite-man.....if ya' need new glasses, or ya' need a little help sorting them out, we might have to just simplify it a little bit for you to fit your intellectual needs. Simple difference:

Republican - you work for what you have, create your own wealth, stand on your own two feet - teach others to do the same - create national strength on a global scale. You believe in human rights, and raising the standard of living globally in order to create world stability and an environment in which all are in business and prosper through creative effort and investment. You believe that both large and small business is necessary for the country to thrive. You believe in a strong national defense. You absolutely believe that every able bodied person should work for their living. You have absolutely no use for communism or socialism.

Demorat - you think the government owes you something. You want and participate in every free giveaway that you can. The idea of communism and socialism is attractive to you. You teach others to become parasites on the nation. You champion gay rights. You believe the men should be fems. You run from the idea of a war. You scream you are a "peace lover" while being conquered...and you would be conquered eventually if it werent for the Republicans continually saving your ass. You never create national wealth...only national confusion. The monuments that you build are full of section -8- housing units. You want all big business removed, so that everyone is working like a bunch of table-tenders at flea markets, until there is no national economy left. You smoke dope, or allow others to smoke dope and then scratch your head in wonder at the rising level of ignorance in the population. You have no use for national defense.

Help you out any???

[hitekredneck]

Well gee hite-man.....if ya' need new glasses, or ya' need a little help sorting them out, we might have to just simplify it a little bit for you to fit your intellectual needs. Simple difference:

Republican - you work for what you have, create your own wealth, stand on your own two feet - teach others to do the same - create national strength on a global scale. You believe in human rights, and raising the standard of living globally in order to create world stability and an environment in which all are in business and prosper through creative effort and investment. You believe that both large and small business is necessary for the country to thrive. You believe in a strong national defense. You absolutely believe that every able bodied person should work for their living. You have absolutely no use for communism or socialism.

Demorat - you think the government owes you something. You want and participate in every free giveaway that you can. The idea of communism and socialism is attractive to you. You teach others to become parasites on the nation. You champion gay rights. You believe the men should be fems. You run from the idea of a war. You scream you are a "peace lover" while being conquered...and you would be conquered eventually if it werent for the Republicans continually saving your ass. You never create national wealth...only national confusion. The monuments that you build are full of section -8- housing units. You want all big business removed, so that everyone is working like a bunch of table-tenders at flea markets, until there is no national economy left. You smoke dope, or allow others to smoke dope and then scratch your head in wonder at the rising level of ignorance in the population. You have no use for national defense.

Help you out any???

wally, that might be what they used to stand for...but in today's modern age?...first off, take a look at how many republicans started out that way...you'll find that many of em jumped from the democrat side, mainly so they'ld get elected by the sheep that tend to vote party lines instead of common sense...second, what the fuck happened to fiscal conservatism in the republican party?...those morons were in total charge of everything and just couldn't keep their hands outa the damned cookie jar...NONE OF EM!!!!...it doesn't matter which party they're with, each and every one of em are nothing more than morally bankrupt, egomaniacal, criminally reprehensible vermin....end of story :cool:
btw, you also forgot to mention the reps are supposed to support small business...

[Walter Weiss]

Hite-man.....glasses....glasses.....I did say that the Republican believes in both large and small business.

You cant cast all of them into the sausage machine, and pronounce the recipe "shit." The Republican Party is....and always has been....the savior of the American people, and ever shall it be.

The demorat freaks that jumped the table and crawled under the wire into the Republican camp are nothing more than trash, and ever shall they be. We understand that. You've got to realize that there is a strong traditional Republican core to the party that holds up the party from deep within. It is the iron frame work of the party that keeps us a "party" and ever upholds our traditions and values. We know that there is sometimes mold clinging to our iron frame work, that occasionally we have to clean off to preserve our frame work. We know that scum grovels at the foot of our foundation and begs to enter our edifice as "loyal subjects" when in truth they are nothing more than Demorat-commie spies....we know, we know...

At least we can respect the die-hard Demorat that has at least chosen a camp and remained at his views.....but the Demorat-commie scum filth that jumps ship while still a fem-fruitcake at heart, and then tries to declare himself a strong Republican.....well.....we can only regard that person as the lowest form of vermin on this planet operating in the political arena. We know what to do with them.

We know that there are fruitcakes that have slipped stealthily into our ranks....but we watch them...we make our use of them....we dont go into the men's room while they are in there for safety sake. But dont you worry my friend. The real Republicans will continue to preserve this nation. We arent going to let that Demorat commie-filth continue to chip away at everyone's civil rights and freedoms. You will get to keep the title to your truck as long as we abound. We wont let them de-privatize your home and void it's title. We wont let them nationalize your heavy hauling vehicle. We wont let them take your guns away. We wont let them feminize your Son at the public school, or lesbianize your daughter. We will guarantee your legal rights to raise your family according to your given traditions. Dont you worry my friend. As Lincoln once saved our precious Union, so shall other Republicans continue to save it in the traditions of our party.

Hite, you just point out the bad guys to us, and let us have them. We'll get them dealt with. We have Republicans sitting on judicial benches in this country. Remember to vote to keep them there.

Hite-man....in you we can see that you are a very passionate poster. We can clearly see that inside of you is a strong Republican trying to get out. Fight your way through the darkness of the marijuana fog....push the fruitcake off your back.....put down your dope pipe, and move toward our light. We will guide you into the camp and put you to work for the preservation of this country. We will help you....just keep your head above the water level in the bong, and we will pull you out of that filth and set your free of all of that.

We Republicans are here for you my brother....

[Walter Weiss]

don't take no offense there, jim...i actually was raised in houston...actually, in the 5th ward during the early 70's....(shudders)...weren't a very good neighborhood...the biggest thing i like about any texan, is their sense of humor...i might just have to look you up the next time i go thru ft worth...we'llo have to sit down to some chili, beer, and serious bullshitting, whattya thank? :D

Hite....you were there during the time of the Dean Corl murders? The boys from the heights? Do you remember any of it? I have a copy of the book in hardback I will send to you....gratis. That was kind of an interesting place then, and one of the most interesting cases in Texas history. They called it "the man with the candy."

Another Demorat kid killer that went crazy and wacked a bunch of little kids....truly sad...

[Walter Weiss]

Damn, the world just keeps getting smaller, doesn’t it? Well, I don’t know if you take the paper or not Wally, but if you do and you are browsing the automotive and recruitment ads, you may very well be viewing my work!

I have seen your work Mr. Jim, and it is first rate work....my sincerest compliments to you.

[Walter Weiss]

ahhh...now i see...anybody that disagree's with wally's a faggot, right?....too bad for the pseudo-intellectualism that he seems to revel in...he's so big on the republicrat party he ignores the blatant actions they perform against the laws just like the demicans...as far as i'm concerned, you can't tell the difference anymore....i think it's high time we institute laws demanding common sense in our politicians...if we can find such :cool:

Damn, Hite...you did tell me you were cured of all of this nonsense. Nowhere does it say in any of my posts that he who disagrees with me is branded a faggot. A little character assasination here? A little bit of that Demorat style "charm" you use?

What's the matter with you? I told you to quit smoking that crap....at least cut-down the amount if you arent going to quit.

Everyone needs an advocate I guess.....it is really admirable how you champion gay rights....I am sure they love you for it....dont get sore hemmies out of it....

[hitekredneck]

Damn, Hite...you did tell me you were cured of all of this nonsense. Nowhere does it say in any of my posts that he who disagrees with me is branded a faggot. A little character assasination here? A little bit of that Demorat style "charm" you use?

What's the matter with you? I told you to quit smoking that crap....at least cut-down the amount if you arent going to quit.

Everyone needs an advocate I guess.....it is really admirable how you champion gay rights....I am sure they love you for it....dont get sore hemmies out of it....

now wally, i thought you was gonna get off the crack for a few...how the fuck can you consider me a democrat or a republican when i've already explained that both parties are the same?...and how do ya get from discussing political parties to faggotry advocacy?....do you even know what you're talking about?....i'm thinkin the last time you tried erotic asphyxia you choked too long, buddy...or was it that last black man ya blew?....seriously, now, i'ld like to hear your pitiful excuses for your republicrat party's policy failures...and, just to let you know...i'm pretty conservative, and can't stand most liberal agenda's....dem or rep don't mean a damned thing anymore....if you disagree, then give me proof, not just the same party line bullshit

[hitekredneck]

Hite....you were there during the time of the Dean Corl murders? The boys from the heights? Do you remember any of it? I have a copy of the book in hardback I will send to you....gratis. That was kind of an interesting place then, and one of the most interesting cases in Texas history. They called it "the man with the candy."

Another Demorat kid killer that went crazy and wacked a bunch of little kids....truly sad...

barely remember that shit, wally...i was around 12 when we moved outa thaqt hell hole...that was around '76 or so....but even back then, in my neighborhood, you didn't see any white people around including cops...hell, you didn't see cops after sundown....got shot when i was 8....even the catholic nuns had tattoo's and knives..:D