Shot fired from Grassy Knoll?

[Walter Weiss]

For those interested in President Kennedy Assasination theories:

I live not too far from the famed grassy knoll. I work not far from there. I have been on Dealey plaza numerous times since 1978...surely more than 50 times or better. Recently I made two visits there to show visiting friends the Knoll, and Dealey Plaza.

Citizen Abraham Zapruder - who made the famed 8mm film showing President Kennedy being shot - made this film by standing on a concrete pedestal, directly in line with, and only a few feet East of the position that a rifleman on the grassy knoll would have occuppied if he fired on the car from there at the angle some of have claimed. You could reach out and touch Abraham's position with a stick from the supposed position of a presumed grassy knoll rifleman.

When I review the Zapruder film from a vhs copy that I have acquired long ago, during the firing, I can see that old Abe's hand is very steady and firm by the quality of his film. Abe certainly doesnt seem to flinch, and he certainly doesnt dive for cover the way you would expect someone to standing only a few feet from the muzzle of a rifle being fired that close to you. Abe did not ever appear to be really startled at all. There were a number of movies made that day, in that place, during that assasintation, but Abe's is by far the best piece of work that we have to review. Nothing comes close to his film. His appears to be the only camera in that particular position.

Some witnesses speak of gunpowder odor and possible haze or smoke from the grassy knoll. Experiments with wind and odor show that odor drops to the ground and travels with airmovement. Firing was in-fact going on from above in the sixth floor window, because prisoners in the upper floor of the county jail across the street, actually saw the rifleman firing the rifle and working the bolt action on it. The prisoners thought that the rifleman was a security man before he began firing at the president.

There is also very strong evidence that a second rifle was fired from the second floor South-West window of the Dal-tex building....laser testing lines up with that window precisely when calculated from a wound point in the car, as well as with the sixth floor window of the school book depository. So there must have been at least two rifles there that day.

Could Abraham Zapruder's steady hand in filming the assasination tell us that
no shooting ever took place from the grassy knoll?

[chihuahua236]

For those interested in President Kennedy Assasination theories:

I live not too far from the famed grassy knoll. I work not far from there. I have been on Dealey plaza numerous times since 1978...surely more than 50 times or better. Recently I made two visits there to show visiting friends the Knoll, and Dealey Plaza.

Citizen Abraham Zapruder - who made the famed 8mm film showing President Kennedy being shot - made this film by standing on a concrete pedestal, directly in line with, and only a few feet East of the position that a rifleman on the grassy knoll would have occuppied if he fired on the car from there at the angle some of have claimed. You could reach out and touch Abraham's position with a stick from the supposed position of a presumed grassy knoll rifleman.

When I review the Zapruder film from a vhs copy that I have acquired long ago, during the firing, I can see that old Abe's hand is very steady and firm by the quality of his film. Abe certainly doesnt seem to flinch, and he certainly doesnt dive for cover the way you would expect someone to standing only a few feet from the muzzle of a rifle being fired that close to you. Abe did not ever appear to be really startled at all. There were a number of movies made that day, in that place, during that assasintation, but Abe's is by far the best piece of work that we have to review. Nothing comes close to his film. His appears to be the only camera in that particular position.

Some witnesses speak of gunpowder odor and possible haze or smoke from the grassy knoll. Experiments with wind and odor show that odor drops to the ground and travels with airmovement. Firing was in-fact going on from above in the sixth floor window, because prisoners in the upper floor of the county jail across the street, actually saw the rifleman firing the rifle and working the bolt action on it. The prisoners thought that the rifleman was a security man before he began firing at the president.

There is also very strong evidence that a second rifle was fired from the second floor South-West window of the Dal-tex building....laser testing lines up with that window precisely when calculated from a wound point in the car, as well as with the sixth floor window of the school book depository. So there must have been at least two rifles there that day.

Could Abraham Zapruder's steady hand in filming the assasination tell us that
no shooting ever took place from the grassy knoll?

ok walter i agree on you just this time just this time.dont take it in consideration as me believeing everything u say

[Walter Weiss]

ok walter i agree on you just this time just this time.dont take it in consideration as me believeing everything u say

Hey Chi-dog.....hope you are well.....would you like to participate in an experiment at and near the grassy knoll? You part is real easy. All you have to do is ride in the back seat of this lincoln sedan convertible, while I run a movie camera.....

[hitekredneck]

For those interested in President Kennedy Assasination theories:

I live not too far from the famed grassy knoll. I work not far from there. I have been on Dealey plaza numerous times since 1978...surely more than 50 times or better. Recently I made two visits there to show visiting friends the Knoll, and Dealey Plaza.

Citizen Abraham Zapruder - who made the famed 8mm film showing President Kennedy being shot - made this film by standing on a concrete pedestal, directly in line with, and only a few feet East of the position that a rifleman on the grassy knoll would have occuppied if he fired on the car from there at the angle some of have claimed. You could reach out and touch Abraham's position with a stick from the supposed position of a presumed grassy knoll rifleman.

When I review the Zapruder film from a vhs copy that I have acquired long ago, during the firing, I can see that old Abe's hand is very steady and firm by the quality of his film. Abe certainly doesnt seem to flinch, and he certainly doesnt dive for cover the way you would expect someone to standing only a few feet from the muzzle of a rifle being fired that close to you. Abe did not ever appear to be really startled at all. There were a number of movies made that day, in that place, during that assasintation, but Abe's is by far the best piece of work that we have to review. Nothing comes close to his film. His appears to be the only camera in that particular position.

Some witnesses speak of gunpowder odor and possible haze or smoke from the grassy knoll. Experiments with wind and odor show that odor drops to the ground and travels with airmovement. Firing was in-fact going on from above in the sixth floor window, because prisoners in the upper floor of the county jail across the street, actually saw the rifleman firing the rifle and working the bolt action on it. The prisoners thought that the rifleman was a security man before he began firing at the president.

There is also very strong evidence that a second rifle was fired from the second floor South-West window of the Dal-tex building....laser testing lines up with that window precisely when calculated from a wound point in the car, as well as with the sixth floor window of the school book depository. So there must have been at least two rifles there that day.

Could Abraham Zapruder's steady hand in filming the assasination tell us that
no shooting ever took place from the grassy knoll?

walter, have you ever considered that maybe zapruder was part of it?...if we're gonna go for a conspiracy theory, we gotta attack all angles, mang

[Walter Weiss]

walter, have you ever considered that maybe zapruder was part of it?...if we're gonna go for a conspiracy theory, we gotta attack all angles, mang


I suppose that anything is likely in the world of conspiracy. How could they benefit from producing photographic evidence of their crime?

[conspiracy]

The mob got JFK elected and the mob killed him with contacts through the CIA. End of story.

I guess JFK should have held up to his promises for election eh?

[hitekredneck]

I suppose that anything is likely in the world of conspiracy. How could they benefit from producing photographic evidence of their crime?

well, think about it...with the ONLY film that anybody ever pays attention to coming from that knoll, all he has to do is deny he saw anybody up there...i know, like most conspiracy theories it's weak, but hell, why not?

[Walter Weiss]

well, think about it...with the ONLY film that anybody ever pays attention to coming from that knoll, all he has to do is deny he saw anybody up there...i know, like most conspiracy theories it's weak, but hell, why not?

I have never heard that Mr. Zapruder was ever linked to anything sordid. Most believe that he was only a citizen innocently shooting an 8mm Kodak film from a small basicl family-style camera.

I have to give Mr. Zapruder his due.....if there was shooting from the Grassy Knoll....some say there was and some say there was not.....then Mr. Zapruder is a mighty cool cucumber under fire. He would have been stadning so close to an unexpected discharge of a centerfire rifle that his normal reaction....even a slight flinch....would have been recorded in that film, and it isnt there. Not even the slightest movement of his hand at the moment of discharge is evident in that film. There was no flinch...not even a slight hesitation. He sure as hell didnt dive for cover like everyone else did.

Either there was no rifleman on the grassy knoll, or Mr. Zapruder was not concerned about the close-proximity gunfire to his position.

Some of us have combat experience. Either army to army, or gunman to gunman in the world of cops and robbers, or that in our youth with gang-warfare. Some of us that are well experienced in that sort of thing will still have a noticeable adrenaline surge even when participating in shooting on a public gun range. Mr. Zapruder just doesnt seem to have any reaction owing to the steady camera work done without a tripod.

If he was not a part of any conspiracy....and he has never been linked to it that I have seen.....then maybe no one fired from the grassy knoll. If he was part of the conspiracy, then he was expecting rifle fire near him, and anticipated it....was no surprise.

[wawatasei]

The mob got JFK elected and the mob killed him with contacts through the CIA. End of story.

I guess JFK should have held up to his promises for election eh?

look you americans are stupid.border retarted,and do not care who you kill..you beleive a lie so you do not have to do anything about the horse shit you are fed..at least in vietam you stood up and stopped the slaughter..know you say impeach the bush .. when he should be in jail for rest of his life..and you all do nothing many woman and children are dying and you do not care..911 was set up to take you to a box that you willingly walk in to...yes they protect you from there enemies ,so they can inslave you ..read your history you retarted bunch of self glorified ,entertainment seeking killers

[wawatasei]

look you americans are stupid.border retarted,and do not care who you kill..you beleive a lie so you do not have to do anything about the horse shit you are fed..at least in vietam you stood up and stopped the slaughter..know you say impeach the bush .. when he should be in jail for rest of his life..and you all do nothing many woman and children are dying and you do not care..911 was set up to take you to a box that you willingly walk in to...yes they protect you from there enemies ,so they can inslave you ..read your history you retarted bunch of self glorified ,entertainment seeking killersyou seem very upset about something....ok i am very upset..you all make big deals when someone is killed in a way that you feel is not right..yet ...yet u do not think that those 10s of thousands of woman and children that die horrible .burn dismembered ,orphaned..have no feeling [sex and murder thats all you show your children you are never home to take care of them]it makes me sick to say i have to love you because god tills me to...you cry loudly and forget to love the children on this earth

[Walter Weiss]

you seem very upset about something....ok i am very upset..you all make big deals when someone is killed in a way that you feel is not right..yet ...yet u do not think that those 10s of thousands of woman and children that die horrible .burn dismembered ,orphaned..have no feeling [sex and murder thats all you show your children you are never home to take care of them]it makes me sick to say i have to love you because god tills me to...you cry loudly and forget to love the children on this earth

I suppose you believe that these people were never victims of a tyrant or terrorist?

Is it possible that you succumb to any propaganda as long as it is anti-american?

Did you ever stop to think that America is for everyone?

[hitekredneck]

look you americans are stupid.border retarted,and do not care who you kill..you beleive a lie so you do not have to do anything about the horse shit you are fed..at least in vietam you stood up and stopped the slaughter..know you say impeach the bush .. when he should be in jail for rest of his life..and you all do nothing many woman and children are dying and you do not care..911 was set up to take you to a box that you willingly walk in to...yes they protect you from there enemies ,so they can inslave you ..read your history you retarted bunch of self glorified ,entertainment seeking killers

ok...ya know, the best thing about being an american is the right to say that somebody is an ignorant ass....and here's something i'm sure you'll appreciate, if ya don't like us, stay the hell away from our country...you know absolutely nothing of what you speak, which is proven by your ignorant statement about 9/11....i don't kill for entertainment, just self-preservation

[wawatasei]

ok...ya know, the best thing about being an american is the right to say that somebody is an ignorant ass....and here's something i'm sure you'll appreciate, if ya don't like us, stay the hell away from our country...you know absolutely nothing of what you speak, which is proven by your ignorant statement about 9/11....i don't kill for entertainment, just self-preservation

i say all this out of discuss.about your blind horseshit that you willing to eat,your reply is cheap,9/11 was a set up that bush new about..and the 100,000 woman and children that died for it, you justify.you are among the most blind.i bet you sure could fight me..over my truth..i share with you..

[wawatasei]

i say all this out of discuss.about your horseshit that you willing eat,your reply is cheap,9/11 was a set up that bush new about..and the 100,000 woman and children that died for it, you justify.you are among the most blind.i bet you sure could fight me..over my truth..i share with you..
i bet you till your kids santa is real and xmas is all about jesus

[Walter Weiss]

You have said HORSESHIT....I THOUGHT CERTAIN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SAID CAMEL SHIT! IN YOUR CULTURE, ONLY THE RICH ARE PERMITTED TO SIT UPON THE BACK OF A HORSE. YOU MUST BE WEALTHY. HOPEFULLY YOU SIT ON THE BACK OF A STALLION AND NOT A MARE OR GELDING. Your words are strong, so it must be a stallion you would choose I think.

WAWATASEI...I hope that I am among the first to congratulate you for speaking out in America. It is important to do that in America, whether you speak for yourself, or a cause that you believe in, or you speak of GOD, ALLAH's teachings, or you speak forth in your interest to protect the children of the world from the evils of mankind on the whole.

As an American, I WANT TO PROMISE YOU that your right to speak out on the things you believe in IS A RIGHT PROTECTED BY LAW and considered your SACRED RIGHT to express yourself to mankind without being criminally prosecuted or persecuted by government officials for your words and personal views. IN THIS WAY there is much one man can be allowed to teach another....about Allah, or life in general, or any subject under the Sun.

I congratulate you and honor you for your bravery in speaking out.

I PROMISE YOU MY BROTHER THAT NO ONE IN THE GOVERNMENT OF THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO ALLOW ANYONE TO KIDNAP YOU, WRAP YOU IN DUCT TAPE AND SAW YOUR HEAD OFF WITH A KITCHEN KNIFE ON VIDEO RECORDING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH OR TO MAKE A POLITICAL RETORT OR STATEMENT IN RETALIATION FOR ANYTHING YOU SAY OR PREACH HERE IN OUR COUNTRY.

NOW..;...If I went to your homeland, and I spoke out, I would be doing so at the risk of my life. I would suffer oppression for offering my views to anyone, and perhaps I would be jailed and tortured to death to silence me.

IN THIS COUNTRY you are free to teach us of Islam, Mohammed, and Allah's teachings, and we will listen and learn from you without turning against you and cutting your head off. You are free here. So shall you allow others to be free in their belief and verse without oppressing them. We are free to adopt your beliefs. We are free to reject your beliefs. We are free to ask you more questions in an effort to learn more of your beliefs. You are free to either answer, or not answer, and you can do either with no loss of Honor or Dignity.

YOU YOURSELF KNOW WELL THAT ALLAH says in so many words....."free your mind of hatred, and the spirit will rise to new heights and Allah will be bounteous with you, and the will find favor in Allah's eyes." Allah gave life and love. Mohammed loved his fellow man. Do you think either believes in terrorism?

I type this to you at the setting of the Sun, and I turn my face to the East and I ask ALLAH to open your eyes and make honorable use of your bravery at this time in carrying your messages to others, and that you will carry those messages with Honor, and not hatred. That is my prayer for you.

At the moment that you read this, you in turn, will most probably will begin sharpening your knife, and looking for a roll of duct tape and a video camera, as well as my address so that you can hunt me down and make a prisoner of me in the name of Allah, so that I can be tortured to death in the name of Allah for speaking out. That will be your prayer for me.

WE ARMERICANS dont tolerate oppression.....and neither should you. THE OPPRESSORS in your land have discovered chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, biological weapons, portable explosives, and the Islamic fundamentalist willing to be exploited by his masters unto death...the act of suicide bombing. Because of these things, your oppressors threaten everyone on a global scale. EVEN ALLAH SPOKE of the army that would come to smite the evil in the homeland. Your homeland has been seized long ago by an infidel dictator, and the good and brave Islamic masses have been unable to shake the infidel from power. The American Soldier does not keep the land he fights upon. The American soldier will remove the aggressor....the dictator....and restore the land to the masses to self govern in honorable fashion in their own way. The global threat is thereby removed. The people are free to govern themselves again. No dictatorship is ever honorable. The one in your homeland had no honor...only hatred.

Please consider these things before you choose to inflict your hatred upon us. We dont hate WAWATASEI.

[7forever]

ASSHOLE i am

[Katt]

I liked the [horse shit] discussion, why interupt ia 3 yr old thread?? :confused::cool: