jerking off.

[vulcan]

This is not acceptablr

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

If you're going for speed, then as long as you give the same amount of points for the same times it can be a sport.

If you're only scoring it based on style though, it can't be considered a sport.

[hkdbadreligion]

Why would you consider actually whackin it with a bunch of other guys?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Why would you consider actually whackin it with a bunch of other guys?

is there a good reason not to? you're not that insecure about yourself are you?

[vulcan]

actually I dont know how some people does things like this

[Zzyzx]

actually we did it in college for a competence, in a beer drinking party. I could care less where

WRONG

You guys watched each other? That's fucked up. But hey, you do what you want in the privacy (or lack of) in your own home, k?

[hkdbadreligion]

WRONG

He agrees. It is disguisting to masterbate in the presents of someone of the same sex. It's pretty homosexual, except that you keep your hands to yourself.... right?

[vulcan]

Well I think when they drink in College they do everything

[hkdbadreligion]

I'm not homophobic. I have no problem being around homo's until they start coming on to me or doing homo-sexually gay things around me.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I'm not homophobic. I have no problem being around homo's until they start coming on to me or doing homo-sexually gay things around me.

In that case there's some sort of a homophobe in you. Nothing to be ashamed of, just let them know you're not that way. You should be pretty safe, I've never heard of a queer raping a straight man. Probably because they're too concerned about messing up their 'ensemble' or breaking nails when you resist.

[dirkydirk]

It is a very *special* sport which I particiapte in.. :)

[hkdbadreligion]

In that case there's some sort of a homophobe in you. Nothing to be ashamed of, just let them know you're not that way. You should be pretty safe, I've never heard of a queer raping a straight man. Probably because they're too concerned about messing up their 'ensemble' or breaking nails when you resist.

Tru dat...

[Carlos lopez]

they are more concerned of getting a broken jaw. At the gym they don't even look at me, I talk to them and everything, but when you are not into that, they leave you along. Believe me. Vulcan is right at College guys do things like that and worst.

[beelzebub]

I'm not homophobic. I have no problem being around homo's until they start coming on to me or doing homo-sexually gay things around me.

You write like you are inside a box in a room that has a door and contains clothes and other objects!?!!?!?!


I have no problem being around str8s until they start comming on to me or doing heterosexually srt8 things.

I guess you also have no problem with blacks as long as they don’t produce melanin around you.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

You write like you are inside a box in a room that has a door and contains clothes and other objects!?!!?!?!



I guess you also have no problem with blacks as long as they don’t produce melanin around you.

Just what the hell were you getting at here? The first statement makes absolutely no sense, and the second was criticizing a 'quote' that you completely altered to appear much more like something that you would have posted. It was more like you were quoting yourself even though you blamed the words on hkbadreligion.

[hkdbadreligion]

You write like you are inside a box in a room that has a door and contains clothes and other objects!?!!?!?!

I don't quite get it but ok. Are you thinking of a room? I do believe that's what those things are called.

[spankin-it]

Some guys just are not homophobic at all and thats great! they have no problem jerking off in the same room, and every now and then guys end up spankin-it together... nothig wrong with that.

[Carlos lopez]

I saw many "queers" raping another man, another young man, and a lot of children. believe they get out of control they can to whatever.

[hkdbadreligion]

Would you consider the cardinals who raped little boys homos?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I wouldn't know what to consider them, but they certainly don't belong in the church. Even if they were homos though, they're taking advantage of someone who even if he did fight back would not cause enough ruckus to make things much more difficult for the criminal. Most straight men would have no problem fighting off any homo that might consider taking advantage of him.

[hkdbadreligion]

So you promote raping little boys cuz they cant fight back.... ok.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So you promote raping little boys cuz they cant fight back.... ok.

Damnit you're an idiot. I'm against the homo existance all together, I was saying earlier that he doesn't need to worry about being raped by a homo. Others gave instances where males have been taken advantage of by homos and I pointed out that the falacy in that argument is that these are attacks against people completely unlike any of us in a physical manner.

[General Septem]

Whacking is a selfish use of one's sexuality.

[beelzebub]

I'm against the homo existance all together,

Damn... I guess we will call you a bigot then!


I was saying earlier that he doesn't need to worry about being raped by a homo. Others gave instances where males have been taken advantage of by homos and I pointed out that the falacy in that argument is that these are attacks against people completely unlike any of us in a physical manner.

After reading the other shit you wrote in this arena. And reading this disconnected and meaningless diatribe, I will call you an ignorant bigot.


BTW - CLOSET was what I was alluding to.

[General Septem]

RE: Damn... I guess we will call you a bigot then!

You can call me a bigot too if you'd like, but I've nothing against homosexual people, I'm only against the act of two men sexually gratifying each other. Anal and oral sex are both ok between a male and a female, so long as it is not done lustfully (even in marriage there is possibility for lust) and that it is used as a means rather than an end - the end in this case is that the man ejaculates inside his wife's vagina.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Damn... I guess we will call you a bigot then!



After reading the other shit you wrote in this arena. And reading this disconnected and meaningless diatribe, I will call you an ignorant bigot.


BTW - CLOSET was what I was alluding to.


Now that's not fair, I'm not intolerant of ALL opinions different from my own, in fact I try my best to understand these opinions before deciding if I agree with them or figuring out why I don't. So don't call me a bigot simply because I have come to the conclusion that your way of life is wrong as defined by nature, religion, government and logic.

Next, you shoudn't find a need to call me ignorant simply because you are unable to connect the dots through my posts. Just go down to the sauna and ask some of the other penises in there help you to put the pieces together, offer them a nice hot ass banana afterwards, I'm sure they'd all 'stand-up' to that offer.

[A3N]

Lol wtf are you guys talking about
Reading this makes me laugh

[General Septem]

Lol wtf are you guys talking about
Reading this makes me laugh
Agreeeedddd.

[beelzebub]

RE: Damn... I guess we will call you a bigot then!

You can call me a bigot too if you'd like, but I've nothing against homosexual people, I'm only against the act of two men sexually gratifying each other. Anal and oral sex are both ok between a male and a female, so long as it is not done lustfully (even in marriage there is possibility for lust) and that it is used as a means rather than an end - the end in this case is that the man ejaculates inside his wife's vagina.

G-S I will be happy to call you a bigot if you want. The only difference is that really you are a control freak who judges others. You do this on all the other strings. I honestly pity people like yourself because you live a hard life. Judging others forces you to have standards that restrict your ability to grow and develop. Furthermore you are spending WAY too much time thinking about what others are doing and what you need to do yourself. What does the serenity poem say?

[General Septem]

G-S I will be happy to call you a bigot if you want. The only difference is that really you are a control freak who judges others. You do this on all the other strings. I honestly pity people like yourself because you live a hard life. Judging others forces you to have standards that restrict your ability to grow and develop. Furthermore you are spending WAY too much time thinking about what others are doing and what you need to do yourself. What does the serenity poem say?
I don't judge others. I could care less what others including yourself are doing. In fact, I wish you well. This doesn't change the acts. Like I said, I only have anything against immoral actions, not the people who commit them.

[beelzebub]

I don't judge others. I could care less what others including yourself are doing. In fact, I wish you well. This doesn't change the acts. Like I said, I only have anything against immoral actions, not the people who commit them.

Haaaaa but you are not agains controling those people. I am sure that you would want to make laws that make homosexual acts illegal just like you want abortion to be illegal. You need to worry about yourself and not everyone else. What we do in our private life like abortion, our personal relationships is no business of yours.

[General Septem]

Haaaaa but you are not agains controling those people. I am sure that you would want to make laws that make homosexual acts illegal just like you want abortion to be illegal. You need to worry about yourself and not everyone else. What we do in our private life like abortion, our personal relationships is no business of yours.
Not against, no.

First of all, if certain immoral acts, such as murder, are illegal, then there's no reason why they can't all be.

Second, it does affect me because that shit is on TV, radio, news, and being taught in school, trying to infect my children which I'll never let happen, and succeeding in infecting the minds of people whose resulting incompetence and inability to give a shit I have to put up with on a daily basis. I don't want to have to try and avoid used condoms and other biohazardous waste strewn all over the place when I'm out walking. I don't like being accosted by people who tell me to go into stores and buy them matches or weed. I don't want to see women being treated like objects. I don't like having to weed through a hundred girls just to find one that is able to truely love someone and not simply want their cock - it's bad enough I'll probably have to go through at least a few good girls before I actually find one I'll want to marry anyway (which I'm not against doing - I want to find the perfect girl anyway, just the fact that there are few good girls to actually choose from make it difficult). I want to rest assured that the cook doesn't do something nasty with my food when I send it back to be corrected - in fact I shouldn't have to send it back in the first place. I want to deal with a contractor that isn't going to try and pull a half-ass job on me. I don't like looking behind me every thirty seconds when I'm out walking because I'm paranoid that some guy behind me is going to try and kill me, rob me, or assrape me.

What does this have to do with sexual immorality? Because it all fits in with this whole attitude that you can do whatever the hell you want and not give a shit about anyone else or any consequences that might come up. We keep accepting more and more, and the more we fit in our envelope, the clsoer to bursting it gets. What's next, it'll be legal to kill your infant child? Why not raise the bar to three years old? Cops need to get a Catholic out of his house so he can be arrested for "irrational beliefs"? Throw a baby through his window! Hell, they're already pissing on our constitution by making guns illegal in some places. That's right, assholes, in several cities it is now illegal to bear arms, which is something we used to have an explicit right to. Guess what? The dregs still carry guns illegally, because why not? They're already criminals after all. But now, the good citizens can no longer protect themselves from the dregs. That makes me feel a whole lot safer. So what's next?

[beelzebub]

Not against, no.
First of all, if certain immoral acts, such as murder, are illegal, then there's no reason why they can't all be.

FIRST OF ALL this is an extreme way to look at things. Abortion is TOTALLY different from all other things. It is a organism living inside another organism. Totally different. Homosexuality is a relationship between two consenting adults. It is not IMMORAL (exccept by narrow people like you). And thank god that the bible doesnt run our country because we would be no better than the Taliban.


What does this have to do with sexual immorality? Because it all fits in with this whole attitude that you can do whatever the hell you want and not give a shit about anyone else or any consequences that might come up.

How is my relationship with my partner AFFECTING ANYONE other than the two of us. Stupid! You got to keep your nose out of everyones business.


But now, the good citizens can no longer protect themselves from the dregs. That makes me feel a whole lot safer. So what's next?

I think you are frustrated. You think that society is going down the tubes. It isn’t, its changing. Don’t be afraid of change. The society we live in today will not be the one tomorrow and so on and so on. Either you accept the change and move on of go and form your own special community like the Amish or the Massi.

[General Septem]

FIRST OF ALL this is an extreme way to look at things. Abortion is TOTALLY different from all other things. It is a organism living inside another organism. Totally different. Homosexuality is a relationship between two consenting adults. It is not IMMORAL (exccept by narrow people like you). And thank god that the bible doesnt run our country because we would be no better than the Taliban.

Someone once said that very few people hate the Catholic Church, but a lot of people hate what they wrongly and arrogantly believe the Catholic Church to be.


How is my relationship with my partner AFFECTING ANYONE other than the two of us. Stupid! You got to keep your nose out of everyones business.

Go back and read my fucking post; that's how.


I think you are frustrated. You think that society is going down the tubes. It isn’t, its changing. Don’t be afraid of change. The society we live in today will not be the one tomorrow and so on and so on. Either you accept the change and move on of go and form your own special community like the Amish or the Massi.

Well, it's sure as hell not going "up" the tubes. Particularly when kids can't read and when the sixth grade spends three weeks on the fucking compass rose. If you don't know how to read a compass by sixth grade, kill yourself, because you sure as hell aren't going to learn anything else useful.

[hkdbadreligion]

I don't judge others. I could care less what others including yourself are doing. In fact, I wish you well. This doesn't change the acts. Like I said, I only have anything against immoral actions, not the people who commit them.

When did you become so religious?

[General Septem]

When did you become so religious?
I would say that's something I've aways said, actually.

[Carlos lopez]

My cousin was used sexually by a Priest. and let me tell you I dont like a bit the Catholic Church, I think is just a cult and they sure are going to burn in hell. My opinion.

p.s. he is better now he got some money out of this, but he is not all
together in the attic. I love him but he is weird.:mad:

[General Septem]

My condolences, but that's not the Church's fault; that's the priest's fault. You have no reason to hate the Catholic Church because of something a few of its misguided members did. (http://omegaplus.blogspot.com/2006/03/whos-got-time-to-worry-about-rest-of.html) There is very little the Catholic Church can do about this. They were at one point considering not allowing those with homosexual inclinations to become priests, but I am not sure if that went through. Other than that, there unfortunately is not much we can do about the situation. What do you want from us?

[hkdbadreligion]

we want your body.

[General Septem]

we want your body.
...the fuck?

[vulcan]

I work with inmate that's what I do, I keep them inside the institution so you gusy could be safe. Homosexuals are rampant in the Institutions, they rape right and left, and we as officer we had no control on that. because the laws made by liberal nazis in this Country. And this is not happening only inside an Institution, Outside the Institution is very commun the rapping of young guys by older male homosexuals. Right now my buddy John he works in Discotecs in Miami and the last thing in those places is what they call the "black room"
my friend told me that rape happens in those "rooms" very often and more than one time they have to go in to help.
Blezy you are such a bastard what black people have to do with homosexuality like you said and I cuote "You dont have a problem is black people dont produce melanine around you" that's such a stupid statement, what race have to do with something so weird like putting your penis in another man wast hole? This is sick and this is not right.:eek:

[General Septem]

I guess you also have no problem with blacks as long as they don’t produce melanin around you.
No, more like as long as they don't steal, rape, do/buy/sell/ask for drugs, or employ liberal use of the word "motherfucker" around me. :D

[crie]

what I believe needs to be understood, is that humans are humans, and we cannot judge someone for anything other than thier attitude, because then we are condemning ourselves to unfair judgment. saying that someone's wrong because they like the same sex is like saying your wrong for purely existing, or for liking /loving your girl. same thing around with straights, we are not all bad or evil just because we like the opposite sex.
so do any of you watch porn? if you do, do you only watch girl on girl action? I doubt it. just because you have seen someone elses penis doesn't mean your a homosexual, and your generalizing quite a bit here. not all homosexuals are bad or good, and neither are all heterosexuals.
so leave the homo thing alone, get back to your jerking off competition. who won? lmao.

[General Septem]

Actually, having sex with a girl you're not married to is wrong. It's not the love that's wrong but rather the lust; it is wrong to put one's penis into another man's asshole. And no, I don't watch porn, but if I did I certainly wouldn't want to see a naked man. In fact I can't imagine I'd want to see any man if I had a boner.

Like I said, homosexuals aren't "bad" nor "good"; none of us are "good" nor is anyone "bad" compared to anyone else. You aren't doing anything wrong simply by having an inclination that you have no control over; you are doing wrong when you act on your temptations.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Actually, having sex with a girl you're not married to is wrong. It's not the love that's wrong but rather the lust; it is wrong to put one's penis into another man's asshole. ...

... you are doing wrong when you act on your temptations.


This is just one person's opinion. You say that these things are wrong without any logical reason as to why they're wrong. The same argument could be made against eating if your intent is anything more than simply consuming what you need to survive. The same for any other act that has some sort of enjoyment factor to it. Not to say that I'm for homosexuality, nature says that it's wrong. But I accept it, because I am using my opinion in my rejection of it too. Your views just come across as supremely extremist, and I really believe that it takes away from your argument when you post nothing more than religeous reasons to back them up.

[General Septem]

I do accept it, that's my point. But the people, not the behaviour, and it's not just my religion. Sex is something I value because it's the most intimate sign of physical love a man and a woman can share, and to see people desecrate it pisses me off, as much as seeing women being treated as objects pisses me off. I'll give you an example. I was at the gas station a while back, and in the aisle over there were two cute girls in a convertible also fueling up. And in the aisle next to them were two punks who came up with the brilliant idea of yelling over to the girls in hopes that they might "get some". The girls just ignored them, whilst they persisted. I really wanted to go over and punch the lights out of those disrespectful dipshits, but I decided to just laugh at them instead. In fact if I wasn't religious, not only would I have still been pissed off at those punks but I probably would not have restrained myself from punching their lights out. I'm intolerant of such dipshittedness.

But read this carefully because I've said it probably a thousand times: I do not judge. I don't judge homosexuals and I don't judge those two disrespectful pieces of shit at the gas station. I wish them well. I have gay friends, bi friends, and lesbian friends. Many of them know my views on homosexuality, and guess what? They don't judge me either. I'm going to go so far as to say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Nothing at all. But that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with putting your penis in a guy's asshole or indulging in sexual thoughts. That's an entirely different matter altogether; it's wrong for straight people to do that too. Do I hold people's sins against them? Particularly when I don't even have grounds to say that they're even sinning? Hell no! You don't think I think of sarcastic comments when I notice a girl's daggers are poking out? You don't think I can think of probably fifty girls I would love to passionately make out with (a lot of them I actually probably would; that's not necessarily a bad thing)? You don't think the mere thought of cracking the skull of a dumbass militant atheist gives me a boner (figuratively speaking)? Who am I to treat people wrongly because of things they do when I have done all of the aforementioned and more? We're all human. There's a gay guy at Church. I don't know if he has sex with other guys and I don't care. I just treat him like I treat any other guy: I avoid direct eye contact and occupy my thoughts with rifles, robots, and women. -GS

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

But you still just say that the act of sex is wrong for no reason better than your beliefs say that it is. Why is it wrong to act on our temptations? We have these temptations naturally, and ignoring them will only make things worse, probably leading to insanity if we're truly succesful at ignoring all of our temptations. But your comments say that we must ignore them because a narrow religeous belief says that they're all immoral. I really think that you need to analyze and adjust your argument.

[General Septem]

But you still just say that the act of sex is wrong for no reason better than your beliefs say that it is. Why is it wrong to act on our temptations? We have these temptations naturally, and ignoring them will only make things worse, probably leading to insanity if we're truly succesful at ignoring all of our temptations. But your comments say that we must ignore them because a narrow religeous belief says that they're all immoral. I really think that you need to analyze and adjust your argument.
I already told you it's not just religious. It's because most of society has turned sex into something dirty, taboo, and meaningless, and I feel personally attacked and insulted by this; as do I when I see my proverbial sisters being treated like shit.

I don't see how that can be classified as a "religious reason", unless you consider kindness, consideration or people around you, selflessness (or at the very least, relative lack of selfishness), and so on, to be inherently religious traits simply because Jesus said "love your neighbor as yourself". As a credit to that train of thought, I've never met an atheist who wasn't selfish and arrogant, but that doesn't mean being a kind person is just a religious thing.

I mean it's not like I'm not entirely stuck up. If a girl's breasts pop out at me I'm probably going to look. I have enough respect and self control to at least look her in the eye when she's talking to me but if she's looking in the other direction, I don't see any harm in that. I don't go walking around like a monk.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Religious or not, what makes it so wrong for people to act on their temptations? Where should the line be drawn and why? Why can't we just allow people to use their own judgement on this as long as it's not putting anyone in harm's way?

[General Septem]

Religious or not, what makes it so wrong for people to act on their temptations? Where should the line be drawn and why? Why can't we just allow people to use their own judgement on this as long as it's not putting anyone in harm's way?
People should not act on temptation because temptation in and of itself is a strong desire to do wrong. Act on desires, yes, but not if it is wrong to do so. Second, if it wasn't putting anyone in harm's way, it wouldn't be wrong.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

People should not act on temptation because temptation in and of itself is a strong desire to do wrong. Act on desires, yes, but not if it is wrong to do so. Second, if it wasn't putting anyone in harm's way, it wouldn't be wrong.

In that case, the act of two men having sex is not wrong because it is not putting anyone in harm's way. Neither is the act of premarital sex. You can come up with arguments that prove in some cases these things do cause harm, but I could do the same with other things that you consider right. There will always be instances like these for any act, whether done for desire, temptation or a NEED. It doesn't make them wrong, but other reasons might say that they are wrong anyways.

[General Septem]

In that case, the act of two men having sex is not wrong because it is not putting anyone in harm's way. Neither is the act of premarital sex. You can come up with arguments that prove in some cases these things do cause harm, but I could do the same with other things that you consider right.

But they do cause harm. Just to make an example, let's take a look at a list of people that premarital sex affects:

the baby that was created, whether he was killed by the birth control pills, aborted by a doctor, or was raised by a slutty mother
the girl herself
the guy
both partner's parents, depending on how old they each are
both partner's future spouses
society, by contributing to the hell hole we already live in
The super bowl (you know, like Justin Timberlake and that other slut)

Not to mention cases in which the girl is fucking 12 years old and is being controlled by the guy. You said it yourself, though, that lust can be proven to be wrong. So how about taking a crack at what you think is wrong about acts that are right?

There are a lot of other ways in which it is harmful but I'm fed to the teeth with this discussion. What's the point of all this anyway?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Of all your examples, none of them happen just because the sexual act is being performed. In fact I believe that they happen less often than they don't. Corrective measures can, (and probably should) be taken before the act to prevent each of these.

However, as far as a man controlling a child to satisfy his sexual wishes is wrong because it is forcing someone to do something that they don't want to do. Even if they do want to do it, it's probably wrong because the child is unable to comprehend all of what it is.

The point is simply that I think you're being too extreme on what a person should be able to do with their own body, or that of a willing other.

[General Septem]

And my point is that people doing whatever they want with their bodies has turned society into the hell hole I have to walk through every day.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Probably so, and I sympathize with you on that because I see the same. But we live in a 'free' country, where people are supposed to be able to do what they want, with limitations being set when it impedes on others' rights for the same. This is where the line is drawn, and it sounds like you wish to stretch it further in your direction, but then that impedes on others' rights to do want they want. The question is, where is the happy median?

[General Septem]

Probably so, and I sympathize with you on that because I see the same. But we live in a 'free' country, where people are supposed to be able to do what they want, with limitations being set when it impedes on others' rights for the same. This is where the line is drawn, and it sounds like you wish to stretch it further in your direction, but then that impedes on others' rights to do want they want. The question is, where is the happy median?
Well I suppose one way or another some limitations are going to impede on someone's rights, no matter what. The way things are now prohibits my own right to live in a decent society. It's a big conundrum, and I can't even move to another country that abides by Catholic law because countries like America have liberated them all.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So just lay back and accept that things can't be as perfect as you'd like them to. You can look forward to that when you reach the afterlife. Just try not to get THERE too fast.

[General Septem]

Just try not to get THERE too fast.
Haha, as long as I don't get assassinated for writing America as the "bad guy", I won't. :D

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Haha, as long as I don't get assassinated for writing America as the "bad guy", I won't. :D

As long as you don't let us know who you really are, I won't waste my time hunting for your head.:D

[this_is_bullshit]

http://home.mchsi.com/~jaythedogg/orc_fem_small.gif


If you are one of those anime weirdo's lol.

I made this with fraps & extra time on my hands from WoW. :P

[hkdbadreligion]

Damn, green chicks turn me on.

[General Septem]

You asked what we wanted from you.
Yeah, but it made no sense whatsoever. Why should I "give you my body" (wtf for?) because of something someone else did?

[hkdbadreligion]

Dude, I was just kidding. I thought you might see a Little bit of humor in that but... I was wrong.

[General Septem]

I think it was the way you said it. It was just a bit dry, I'm afraid.

[getinit]

you guys need a different hobby....being gay just isnt something you should do.

[hkdbadreligion]

This thread should have ended the minute it started.

[insane1]

:D
Now that's not fair, I'm not intolerant of ALL opinions different from my own, in fact I try my best to understand these opinions before deciding if I agree with them or figuring out why I don't. So don't call me a bigot simply because I have come to the conclusion that your way of life is wrong as defined by nature, religion, government and logic.

Next, you shoudn't find a need to call me ignorant simply because you are unable to connect the dots through my posts. Just go down to the sauna and ask some of the other penises in there help you to put the pieces together, offer them a nice hot ass banana afterwards, I'm sure they'd all 'stand-up' to that offer.



you are so damn funny

[TheAvenger]

If it was an Olympic sport, the French would win the Gold Medal.;)