should felons regain their rights?

[hitekredneck]

if a felon "serves their time", such as it is today, should they be allowed the return of their rights that they lost with said conviction?...this being said, i'll be back to check the results...goin to get all my teeth pulled today :mad:

[England Expects]

As long as the severity of the punishment is appropriate to the crime they've committed then why not?

If you take away someone's rights after their time is served, they'll just keep re offending.

[General Septem]

They should never have lost them in the first place. It depends on the crime, though.

[hitekredneck]

They should never have lost them in the first place. It depends on the crime, though.

i think it depends on the crime....anybody convicted of a violent or sexual felony should lose every right, including the right to live...i think that if you're convicted of stealing, then you should lose a hand...provided of course it can be proven beyond a doubt with dna, video, or caught in the act...i think if you're in a position of power like politicians, then the punishments should be more severe...like public caning, or bring back the stocks:cool:

[hitekredneck]

As long as the severity of the punishment is appropriate to the crime they've committed then why not?

If you take away someone's rights after their time is served, they'll just keep re offending.

it's been proven that they'll most likely keep offending no matter what happens...take a look at all the studies out there...the funny thing is, almost each and every one of those convicted claim innocence or blame their surroundings...

[General Septem]

i think it depends on the crime....anybody convicted of a violent or sexual felony should lose every right, including the right to live...i think that if you're convicted of stealing, then you should lose a hand...provided of course it can be proven beyond a doubt with dna, video, or caught in the act...i think if you're in a position of power like politicians, then the punishments should be more severe...like public caning, or bring back the stocks:cool:

I think cutting someone's hand off for stealing is a little harsh, depending on what they stole. Sometimes people have to steal when they're in a pinch and have no real choice. Sometimes people do bad things for good reasons, and cutting their hand off for it is a little unfair.

[hitekredneck]

I think cutting someone's hand off for stealing is a little harsh, depending on what they stole. Sometimes people have to steal when they're in a pinch and have no real choice. Sometimes people do bad things for good reasons, and cutting their hand off for it is a little unfair.

what i'm talking about is people like the scum from enron, people that steal others' life savings, smash n grabbers for the most part...there's always a choice, gen...all they have to do is learn the skills

[General Septem]

what i'm talking about is people like the scum from enron, people that steal others' life savings, smash n grabbers for the most part...there's always a choice, gen...all they have to do is learn the skills

Yeah, those people need to be hung by the balls on fishhooks. People who burgle houses are lowlife pieces of shit, too.

[maxtheawesome]

Felon means criminal right?

[conspiracy]

Cutting off a hand for an adult who is stealing is not severe if you ask me. It should be common practice if you steal cars , tvs or someone's personal items. Punishment in this country is not SEVERE enough if you ask me. Hell that's one of the reasons a criminal has no worry for what he does, 8 times out of 10 it is a short jail sentence , a slap on the wrists and then the criminal can go and terrorize the next person he sees.

Yes , some crimes need discretion about how punishment is handed out but most criminals don't learn from a fine and some jail time.

Giving rights back to a known child molester , rapist or murderer is foolish. I just feel it would empower them to try it again.

[JennyDearest]

Well, I would say no..for the most part.

But this country's law system is weak, it's garbage. A lot of rich bastards get off the hook, a lot of innocent people get convicted, you have drunken drivers doing more time than repeated pedophiles...it's sick.

So that being said...it really should go case by case. I honestly can't see someone who has raped a child, or jumped an old lady, or stole merchandise..killed..and so on.., deserve any rights.

[MrJim]

Well, I would say no..for the most part.

But this country's law system is weak, it's garbage. A lot of rich bastards get off the hook, a lot of innocent people get convicted, you have drunken drivers doing more time than repeated pedophiles...it's sick.

So that being said...it really should go case by case. I honestly can't see someone who has raped a child, or jumped an old lady, or stole merchandise..killed..and so on.., deserve any rights.

I agree with you completely on this point.

[maxtheawesome]

Well, yes I think they should.

I have hard to see how child molesters and serial killers can be trusted with thoose rights, but on the other hand, they shouldn't be out in public again.

Other then that, yes they should.

[General Septem]

I don't think stupid people should vote, either. If you don't know the meaning of liberty, your opinion should not be counted among the ballots.

[maxtheawesome]

I don't think stupid people should vote, either. If you don't know the meaning of liberty, your opinion should not be counted among the ballots.

wouldn't liberty gurantee that everyone can vote?

[General Septem]

wouldn't liberty gurantee that everyone can vote?

Democracy is not liberty, because nobody should have the ability to take everyone else's liberty away. 51% of the people cannot say that the other 49% can't own guns. That's not liberty, that's majoritarianism and mob rule.

That's what liberty is all about. If you don't like what I'm doing, fuck you anyway. Come and cry to me when it actually concerns you.

And this bullshit about legal adults not being able to drink until the age of 21 infuriates me. This wasn't even something that was decided on by the majority. It was decided by a bunch of hold hags and protestants who decided to form MADD and bitch up a storm about fuck knows what.

[WhiteRaven]

"Felon means criminal right?"

um... DUH!

"It was decided by a bunch of hold hags and protestants who decided to form MADD and bitch up a storm about fuck knows what."

bunch of idiots. (http://www.mavav.org/)

[Loseirdo]

"Felon means criminal right?"

um... DUH!


Not quite. A felon is a criminal, but a criminal is not necessarily a felon. Felons are those who commit felonies. Felonies differ from misdemeanors in that they are considered grave matters by the state and are subject to the death penalty or incarceration for more than one year.

[hitekredneck]

Not quite. A felon is a criminal, but a criminal is not necessarily a felon. Felons are those who commit felonies. Felonies differ from misdemeanors in that they are considered grave matters by the state and are subject to the death penalty or incarceration for more than one year.

so what is your stance, los?...you think felons should regain their lost rights?

[General Septem]

Not quite. A felon is a criminal, but a criminal is not necessarily a felon. Felons are those who commit felonies. Felonies differ from misdemeanors in that they are considered grave matters by the state and are subject to the death penalty or incarceration for more than one year.

I guess you could say criminal masterminds have got some serious grave matter. :D

[Loseirdo]

so what is your stance, los?...you think felons should regain their lost rights?

I voted that it should depend on the situation. Some crimes are absolutely deplorable, and any sicko that would commit them does not deserve the same rights as the rest of us (thankfully, most of these crimes result in most, if not all, of the criminal's natural life being spent behind bars). There are some cases, however, where the felon deserves a second chance. It really wouldn't be fair to use a blanket judgment for all felons.

[WhiteRaven]

"A felon is a criminal, but a criminal is not necessarily a felon. Felons are those who commit felonies. Felonies differ from misdemeanors in that they are considered grave matters by the state and are subject to the death penalty or incarceration for more than one year."

Any criminal who does less isn't a very good criminal. that reminds me, I should check on my nationstates nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=dargios)

[Loseirdo]

"A felon is a criminal, but a criminal is not necessarily a felon. Felons are those who commit felonies. Felonies differ from misdemeanors in that they are considered grave matters by the state and are subject to the death penalty or incarceration for more than one year."

Any criminal who does less isn't a very good criminal. that reminds me, I should check on my nationstates nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_nation/nation=dargios)

Hah, I used to have one of those. I think my country was a "Theocratic Republic", or something like that. Surprise, surprise. :cool: It was strongly conservative. My flag was red in the top left half with a sickle and hammer (because I was in an aliance with a communist friend), blue in the bottom right half with a republican elephant, and it had a giant cross in the middle. My slogan was, "Half Conservative, Half Communist, All Catholic". :D

[hitekredneck]

I voted that it should depend on the situation. Some crimes are absolutely deplorable, and any sicko that would commit them does not deserve the same rights as the rest of us (thankfully, most of these crimes result in most, if not all, of the criminal's natural life being spent behind bars). There are some cases, however, where the felon deserves a second chance. It really wouldn't be fair to use a blanket judgment for all felons.

well, in my humble opinion, if a person is sentenced to life in prison, it's my contention that they should just get the death penalty...i believe that if there's enough evidence to sentence them to that extreme, then we should just go all the way...i don't like supporting criminals for the rest of their natural lives

[Loseirdo]

well, in my humble opinion, if a person is sentenced to life in prison, it's my contention that they should just get the death penalty...i believe that if there's enough evidence to sentence them to that extreme, then we should just go all the way...i don't like supporting criminals for the rest of their natural lives

I agree with that to an extent. If there's absolutely no way they'll ever get back into society (life without parole or multiple life sentences), we should just administer the death penalty, provided there is very little to no chance that the verdict is wrong. That would be the more economically feasible thing to do. Not to mention the fact that many of our prisons are horribly overcrowded. Why not just take the worst of the worst, those in the so-called "Supermax" prisons, and just execute the lot of them? That would free up some much needed space for the idiots that are just spending a few years in the joint. We could even schedule a mass execution and televise it. Hell, we could even sell tickets. Or we could do like they did on "Metalocalypse" (a show on Adult Swim) and have a metal concert going on while everyone is executed. That would be brutal.

[hitekredneck]

I agree with that to an extent. If there's absolutely no way they'll ever get back into society (life without parole or multiple life sentences), we should just administer the death penalty, provided there is very little to no chance that the verdict is wrong. That would be the more economically feasible thing to do. Not to mention the fact that many of our prisons are horribly overcrowded. Why not just take the worst of the worst, those in the so-called "Supermax" prisons, and just execute the lot of them? That would free up some much needed space for the idiots that are just spending a few years in the joint. We could even schedule a mass execution and televise it. Hell, we could even sell tickets. Or we could do like they did on "Metalocalypse" (a show on Adult Swim) and have a metal concert going on while everyone is executed. That would be brutal.

you're thinkin similar to "running man"?