Its Starting to Happen in The Good Ole' United States!

[freakazoid]

SAY GOODBYE TO FREEDOM and hold on to your hats ladies and gentlemen, it's staring to happen here...
Alaska Town Watched by Eighty Security Cameras:


All Things Considered (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2), March 30, 2006 · The city of Dillingham, Alaska -- population 2,400 -- has eighty surveillance cameras installed around town and at its port. The cameras were purchased with grant money from the Department of Homeland Security. City councilor Andy DeValpine and barge captain Freeman Roberts talk with Michele Norris.
...read the article and listen to the report here - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5313031&ft=1&f=1001

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So what? Let em watch me! Anything that I do would be a waste of money for them to put any surveilance on. I don't do anything that I am worried about the government finding out about, and if they really need to waste the money to figure it out that way then fuck 'em!

[Zzyzx]

Brains: It's that "only the guilty have something to fear" mentality that I have a problem with. We should have the freedom to disappear and not need to feel like we're constantly being watched.

If my town suddenly decided that they were going to start randomly pulling over & frisking people, I would have nothing to fear. Let them! If they want to waste money to find out that I keep my keys in my left front pocket, then let 'em!

But that'd be crossing the line, wouldn't it? I don't see how installing a zillion cameras is much different.

[Nobody]

www.prisonplanet.com or infowars.com

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Brains: It's that "only the guilty have something to fear" mentality that I have a problem with. We should have the freedom to disappear and not need to feel like we're constantly being watched.

If my town suddenly decided that they were going to start randomly pulling over & frisking people, I would have nothing to fear. Let them! If they want to waste money to find out that I keep my keys in my left front pocket, then let 'em!

But that'd be crossing the line, wouldn't it? I don't see how installing a zillion cameras is much different.

It's different because I'm not feeling the effects of a thousand camera's and so I don't know or care if anyone is fondling my balls with their eyes.

[beelzebub]

SAY GOODBYE TO FREEDOM ... The city of Dillingham, Alaska -- population 2,400 has eighty surveillance cameras installed around town and at its port.

So the fuck what? In Baltimore they have installed them and it has helped with crime and police protection!

[General Septem]

So the fuck what? In Baltimore they have installed them and it has helped with crime and police protection!
This is the same guy that thinks the government should be less involved in our daily lives. >_>

[vulcan]

I sleep in the nude I dont want somebody watching me, and posting my body in the net:p

[Mitya Karamazov]

I don't know you , so please don't mention your nudity :eek: ,, Hey ! How 'bout this crazy congress we got ? , they are on pace to beat the record low number of sessions set by the 80th 'Do Nothing ' congress ,, yet we have more bueracracy than ever ,, good combo ! ,, I'm not worried though ,, got lot's of ,,beer ,, guns ,,, ammo ,, bibles ,, Hustlers ,, pork&beans ,, shoelace's ,, peanut butter ,, tv dinners ,, ping-pong balls ,, and Cheeto's , And a copy of The Deer Hunter.

[jacktheripper]

I don't know you , so please don't mention your nudity :eek: ,, Hey ! How 'bout this crazy congress we got ? , they are on pace to beat the record low number of sessions set by the 80th 'Do Nothing ' congress ,, yet we have more bueracracy than ever ,, good combo ! ,, I'm not worried though ,, got lot's of ,,beer ,, guns ,,, ammo ,, bibles ,, Hustlers ,, pork&beans ,, shoelace's ,, peanut butter ,, tv dinners ,, ping-pong balls ,, and Cheeto's , And a copy of The Deer Hunter.

Nice goin mate.. You should worry you just told the men in black exactily what you got and im sure you will be one of the first ones to get a visit from the goon squad to take you off to a really nice re-education center or even better a nice country club where you get to break rocks for the last few months of yer life.. Shame those country clubs have a high turnover rate .. Considering people are constintly dieing from starvation and beatings.

You have fun now

[freakazoid]

So the fuck what? In Baltimore they have installed them and it has helped with crime and police protection!

Interesting point of view; let's put a few in and around your home.

[melanie]

i don't mind cameras if this is for national security. as long as my government intend this for my protection and everyone else's then fine

[Paisleyspeaker]

" They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary saftey deserve neither liberty nor safety" Ben Franklin 1759

We can't hand over our rights, even in the most innocent ways. Everything law passed becomes precedent for the next round. It will only go further. The right to privacy was considered important enough to be in the Bill of Rights, people died for the rights in that document. Our founding fathers were revolutionaries and in the Declaration of Independance they said that it was the duty of citizens to alter or abolish any government that doesn't have the citizens best intrest at heart. They made sure before signing off on any form of federal goverment that the rights people would need to live free were written into the contract as part of the deal. Getting a law repealed is somewhere between difficult and impossible.

And Buzz, if we would take better are of each other, we could reduce crime too. I know you are old enough to remeber the lady named Kitty who was killed in NYC and even though she screamed for help and it took some time for her to die, the fifteen or so people that heard her die, didn't call for help. Cameras are a poor, invasive replacement for good neighbors. And you must admit that 2,400 isn't really a city, it's a small town, and eighty cameras is excessive. How much crime can a town with that few people really have? It's not like Baltimore or DC. In a city that large you kinds have a lower expectation of privacy, with windows and neighbors and the like. Large urban areas are a wierd mix of less privacy, but more anonimity.

[freakazoid]

" They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary saftey deserve neither liberty nor safety" Ben Franklin 1759

We can't hand over our rights, even in the most innocent ways. Everything law passed becomes precedent for the next round. It will only go further. The right to privacy was considered important enough to be in the Bill of Rights, people died for the rights in that document. Our founding fathers were revolutionaries and in the Declaration of Independance they said that it was the duty of citizens to alter or abolish any government that doesn't have the citizens best intrest at heart. They made sure before signing off on any form of federal goverment that the rights people would need to live free were written into the contract as part of the deal. Getting a law repealed is somewhere between difficult and impossible.

And Buzz, if we would take better are of each other, we could reduce crime too. I know you are old enough to remeber the lady named Kitty who was killed in NYC and even though she screamed for help and it took some time for her to die, the fifteen or so people that heard her die, didn't call for help. Cameras are a poor, invasive replacement for good neighbors. And you must admit that 2,400 isn't really a city, it's a small town, and eighty cameras is excessive. How much crime can a town with that few people really have? It's not like Baltimore or DC. In a city that large you kinds have a lower expectation of privacy, with windows and neighbors and the like. Large urban areas are a wierd mix of less privacy, but more anonimity.

Well said. ;)

[Chigun]

This goes a lot with my "Real ID" thread. (and, of course, RFID too.) I don't honestly see how people can not be irked by this. Even if you have nothing to hide, do we REALLY want our government to continue on this incline of power? (Under the muse of "security")

We seemed to have lost our care for what those before us died for. Instead we have American Idol and 'reality' shows to consume our time and worry. It's such a grand distraction...

[freakazoid]

This goes a lot with my "Real ID" thread. (and, of course, RFID too.) I don't honestly see how people can not be irked by this. Even if you have nothing to hide, do we REALLY want our government to continue on this incline of power? (Under the muse of "security")

We seemed to have lost our care for what those before us died for. Instead we have American Idol and 'reality' shows to consume our time and worry. It's such a grand distraction...

Good points! We major on the minors, and minor on the majors. :cool:

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Even if you have nothing to hide, do we REALLY want our government to continue on this incline of power? (Under the muse of "security")



Until I see something that is going to really take away from the freedoms that I care about there is no reason to complain. And that is not going to happen for quite some time.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Remeber the prose about the holocaust we all read in school.

"They first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up- because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up- because I was Protestant.
Then they came for me-and by that time no one was left to speak up. "
Pastor Martin Niemoeller
Nazi Victim

You must protect all freedom, all speech, even that which you don't like or doesn't concern you, because that is the only way to insure those freedoms you do care about are safe.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Naw, that just requires too much work and is the seed for strong pessimism which causes extra worry and paranoia. I've learned that it's better to just take your chances when you don't know which way things are going to turn. Sometimes you're wrong, and sometimes you're right, why add extra stress to your life when you don't know which you'll be?

[beelzebub]

And Buzz, if we would take better are of each other, we could reduce crime too. I know you are old enough to remeber the lady named Kitty who was killed in NYC and even though she screamed for help and it took some time for her to die, the fifteen or so people that heard her die, didn't call for help. Cameras are a poor, invasive replacement for good neighbors. And you must admit that 2,400 isn't really a city, it's a small town, and eighty cameras is excessive. How much crime can a town with that few people really have? It's not like Baltimore or DC. In a city that large you kinds have a lower expectation of privacy, with windows and neighbors and the like. Large urban areas are a wierd mix of less privacy, but more anonimity.

The cameras in Baltimore are placed in areas that have high crime. Muggings, robbery, selling dope, and violence against others. Personally I dont want any privacy in that area. I want cops watching.

In the low crime parts of the city there aren't any cameras.

Now I dont know what a town of 2,400 is doing with cameras. Hell that is the population of my school. So........ perhaps you need to rally people to vote out the idiots that put them in.

Fortunatly for me I live in one of those "good areas" But is still affects us. Just last month my partners Benz was broken into and messed up. Check out your location as compared to mine:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2005preliminary/05table4.htm#top

[Paisleyspeaker]

Cameras arn't always a bad idea, but I find setting such a precedent scary. If they can put cameras there without anyone fighting, where will they end up next? And like I said earlier in very large cities you really don't expect the same level of privacy, as you do in small towns.

[Paisleyspeaker]

BBQ, thats just lazy. And I prefer to call it realism. It is not usually a constant unrelenting battle, just under this administration. It is also usually an easy battle to fight. You porbably won't be asked to pickup a weapon and die, just sign petitions, talk to your elected officials, and vote responsibiliy. Really the most important thing is that you don't give up. That you don't say it doesn't matter.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

But it doesn't matter. I really couldn't care less how much the government thinks that they need to intrude. It's not going to bother me any more than having to hear a few whiners every now and then complain about it. If it will make things better over all, then the government will continue, if not somebody who does care will do what it takes to change it back and stop wasting tax payers' money. I don't care, so I'm not about to waste extra effort trying to stop something that will very likely never come close to happening in my lifetime. To me it's like buying life insurance at the age of 22. Sure, something might happen, there's always a possibility, but what are the odds of it happening? Extremely low. What am I losing if it doesn't happen? A boatload of money that I could have spent to lower my student loans.

[Quentin_11C]

How 'bout them Yankees :D