Priorities for government

[England Expects]

Ok here's one for ya.

Every time I hear of any US politician actually suggesting anything, you cry-babies seem to accuse them of popularism, crypto-communism, fascism or something else equally absurd.

It would be easy to assume that you all prefer that your government should just do nothing at all.......ever.

So the big question is..... What should be the priorities of an effective government???

I'll post mine later.

[maxtheawesome]

Healthcare, education, police and other security.

I think that guns could be legal (not should, but they can) but the police would still have to exist.

And private police would never work.

Healthcare seems to be privatised in many countries, but it's a misstake, national healthcare works better.

Education should be national. Private may exist, but there's basic knowledge that everyone has the right to.

But I believe in a free market system so other then that I don't think government has much to do with us people.

[hitekredneck]

Ok here's one for ya.

Every time I hear of any US politician actually suggesting anything, you cry-babies seem to accuse them of popularism, crypto-communism, fascism or something else equally absurd.

It would be easy to assume that you all prefer that your government should just do nothing at all.......ever.

So the big question is..... What should be the priorities of an effective government???

I'll post mine later.

first priority should be to protect and defend our borders...government has no business dictating how a free market should work. enacting and enforcing federal laws approved as the system was originally intended, the way government works the education system has obviously failed, so we could definitely use the private sector for that with subsidies for the "poor"...health care should not be socialized...

[WhiteRaven]

"What should be the priorities of an effective government???"

Education, Military, I'll try to think of more and post them later.

Oh yeah Wildlife Management(If anyone calls me a hippy I will hunt that person down and kick his ass).

Also they should try to increase the economy without directly controlling it.

[maxtheawesome]

..health care should not be socialized...

Why not?:confused:

[England Expects]

Why not?:confused:

It works here.

People like Hitek would rather have kids die than be taxed a little to keep them alive. It's the doctrine of the criminally selfish.

[WhiteRaven]

"People like Hitek would rather have kids die than be taxed a little to keep them alive. It's the doctrine of the criminally selfish."

Claws out today, I see.

[England Expects]

Sorry Hitek. Nothin personal you understand:D

[hitekredneck]

Sorry Hitek. Nothin personal you understand:D

sokay england...i expect such vitriolic odeur from you, bubba...now , what makes you think that my children are the business of the federal government?...what makes you think i should allow the federal government interfere with the raising of those kids?...and just who the hell do you think is responsible for feeding and sheltering those kids?....get a clue, windbag..as for socialized medicine, it don't work as good as you say it does, we still have better quality healthcare over here, and if you dispute it, prove it

[England Expects]

You made the claim, care to back it up?

I know one thing. There's not one child in the UK that would be turned away from a hospital because their parents couldn't pay, or because they couldn't afford insurance.

How many in the US? 9 MILLION???

That's a disgrace of third world proportions.

[hitekredneck]

You made the claim, care to back it up?

I know one thing. There's not one child in the UK that would be turned away from a hospital because their parents couldn't pay, or because they couldn't afford insurance.

How many in the US? 9 MILLION???

That's a disgrace of third world proportions.

in the united states, it is illegal for any hospital to turn ANY patient away for inability to pay, not that it hasn't happened...and i bet it's happened over there as well....just how intrusive are you willing to allow the government into how you raise your child?...it's already horrible over here, with people trying to outlaw corporal punishment...

[England Expects]

It doesn't happen here. Healthcare is free at the point of use.

I dont figure how this means our government is telling us how to bring up our kids. If we would rather our kids be treated in private hospitals, then we can do that too.

I do remember, when I was in Cuba, the NBC were reporting that a young woman had rung 911 FROM a hospital to get an ambulance to take her husband to another hospital, because he had been left to die on the floor while doctors and nurses just watched.

Quality healthcare, Hitek. I'm sure the world is envious.

[hitekredneck]

It doesn't happen here. Healthcare is free at the point of use.

I dont figure how this means our government is telling us how to bring up our kids. If we would rather our kids be treated in private hospitals, then we can do that too.

I do remember, when I was in Cuba, the NBC were reporting that a young woman had rung 911 FROM a hospital to get an ambulance to take her husband to another hospital, because he had been left to die on the floor while doctors and nurses just watched.

Quality healthcare, Hitek. I'm sure the world is envious.

hey, i never said our system is perfect...the people involved in that fiasco should have been charged with murder....here's some information you might find interesting....United Kingdom
Indicator Value (year)
Physicians (number) ? 133,641 (1997)
Physicians (density per 1 000 population) ? 2.30 (1997)
Nurses (number) ? 704,332 (1997)
Nurses (density per 1 000 population) ? 12.12 (1997)
Midwives (number) ? 36,399 (1997)
Midwives (density per 1 000 population) ? 0.63 (1997)
Dentists (number) ? 58,729 (1997)
Dentists (density per 1 000 population) ? 1.01 (1997)
Pharmacists (number) ? 29,726 (1997)
Pharmacists (density per 1 000 population) ? 0.51 (1997)
Public and environmental health workers (number) ? 14,439 (1997)
Public and environmental health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 0.25 (1997)
Community health workers (number) ? 490,002 (1997)
Community health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 8.43 (1997)
Laboratory health workers (number) ? 20,035 (1997)
Laboratory health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 0.34 (1997)
Other health workers (number) ? 161,490 (1997)
Other health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 2.78 (1997)
Health management and support workers (number) ? 741,664 (1997)
Health management and support workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 12.77 (1997)
Total expenditure on health as percentage of gross domestic product ? 8.1 (2004)
General government expenditure on health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 86.3 (2004)
Private expenditure on health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 13.7 (2004)
General government expenditure on health as percentage of total government expenditure ? 15.9 (2004)
External resources for health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 0.0 (2004)
Social security expenditure on health as percentage of general government expenditure on health ? 0.0 (2004)
Out-of-pocket expenditure as percentage of private expenditure on health ? 91.80 (2004)
Private prepaid plans as percentage of private expenditure on health ? 8.2 (2004)
Per capita total expenditure on health at average exchange rate (US$) ? 2899.7 (2004)
Per capita total expenditure on health at international dollar rate ? 2559.9 (2004)
Per capita government expenditure on health at average exchange rate (US$) ? 2501.8 (2004)
Per capita government expenditure on health at international dollar rate ? 2208.6 (2004)
Coverage of vital registration of deaths (%) 100.0 (2003)
Hospital beds (per 10 000 population) 39.0 (2004)
Population (in thousands) total 59668 (2005)
Population annual growth rate (%) 0.3 (2005)
Population in urban areas (%) 90.0 (2005)
Total fertility rate (per woman) 1.7 (2005)
Adolescent fertility rate (%) 2.7 (2002)
Net primary school enrolment ratio males (%) 99.0 (2005)
Net primary school enrolment ratio females (%) 99.0 (2005)
Gross national income per capita (PPP international $) 32690 (2005)
Information and communication technology diffusion 0.61 (2004)
Information and communication technology connectivity 0.52 (2004)
Information and communication technology access 0.70 (2004)
Information and communication technology policy 1.00 (2004)
Main telephone lines per 100 inhabitants 59.10 (2002)
Cost of a 3-minute fixed-line phone call (US$) 0.18 (2002)
Mobile phone subscribers per 100 inhabitants 84 (2002)
Cost of a 3-minute mobile phone call (US$) 0.67 (2002)
Personal computers per 1000 inhabitants 406 (2002)
Internet users per 1000 inhabitants 423 (2002)
Internet hosts per 100 000 inhabitants 4850 (2002)
Information and communication technology expenditure (% of GDP) 7.56 (2002)
United States of America
Indicator Value (year)
Physicians (number) ? 730,801 (2000)
Physicians (density per 1 000 population) ? 2.56 (2000)
Nurses (number) ? 2,669,603 (2000)
Nurses (density per 1 000 population) ? 9.37 (2000)
Dentists (number) ? 463,663 (2000)
Dentists (density per 1 000 population) ? 1.63 (2000)
Pharmacists (number) ? 249,642 (2000)
Pharmacists (density per 1 000 population) ? 0.88 (2000)
Laboratory health workers (number) ? 651,035 (2000)
Laboratory health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 2.28 (2000)
Other health workers (number) ? 4,138,567 (2000)
Other health workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 14.52 (2000)
Health management and support workers (number) ? 7,056,080 (2000)
Health management and support workers (density per 1 000 population) ? 24.76 (2000)
Total expenditure on health as percentage of gross domestic product ? 15.4 (2004)
General government expenditure on health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 44.7 (2004)
Private expenditure on health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 55.3 (2004)
General government expenditure on health as percentage of total government expenditure ? 18.9 (2004)
External resources for health as percentage of total expenditure on health ? 0.0 (2004)
Social security expenditure on health as percentage of general government expenditure on health ? 28.0 (2004)
Out-of-pocket expenditure as percentage of private expenditure on health ? 23.80 (2004)
Private prepaid plans as percentage of private expenditure on health ? 66.4 (2004)
Per capita total expenditure on health at average exchange rate (US$) ? 6096.2 (2004)
Per capita total expenditure on health at international dollar rate ? 6096.2 (2004)
Per capita government expenditure on health at average exchange rate (US$) ? 2724.7 (2004)
Per capita government expenditure on health at international dollar rate ? 2724.7 (2004)
Coverage of vital registration of deaths (%) 100.0 (2002)
Hospital beds (per 10 000 population) 33.0 (2003)
Population (in thousands) total 298213 (2005)
Population annual growth rate (%) 1.0 (2005)
Population in urban areas (%) 81.0 (2005)
Total fertility rate (per woman) 2.0 (2005)
Adolescent fertility rate (%) 4.3 (2002)
Net primary school enrolment ratio males (%) 94.0 (2005)
Net primary school enrolment ratio females (%) 90.0 (2005)
Gross national income per capita (PPP international $) 41950 (2005)
Information and communication technology diffusion 0.81 (2004)
Information and communication technology connectivity 0.75 (2004)
Information and communication technology access 0.87 (2004)
Information and communication technology policy 1.00 (2004)
Main telephone lines per 100 inhabitants 64.60 (2002)
Mobile phone subscribers per 100 inhabitants 49 (2002)
Personal computers per 1000 inhabitants 659 (2002)
Internet users per 1000 inhabitants 551 (2002)
Internet hosts per 100 000 inhabitants 39988 (2002)
Information and communication technology expenditure (% of GDP) 8.55 (2002)
from what can tell from these tables, tho we have completely differing systems, the stats are pretty damned similar....i still maintain that the federal government has no business in the private sector, including education and health care...legistlating, yes...doing business, no

[England Expects]

All very interesting. A little misleading though.

The figures at the top (regarding healthcare) are figures from 1997; after 18 years of mismanagement by the tories, who openly regarded the NHS as "Stalinist".

We have recruited 4k doctors and 20k nurses since then.

[hitekredneck]

All very interesting. A little misleading though.

The figures at the top (regarding healthcare) are figures from 1997; after 18 years of mismanagement by the tories, who openly regarded the NHS as "Stalinist".

We have recruited 4k doctors and 20k nurses since then.

meh, you know how difficult it is finding up-to-date data online:D

[England Expects]

The whole point though is not whether or not the level of care is better in the UK or the US.

We regard healthcare (and education) as a fundamental human right that EVERYONE is entitled to.

Now I still dont understand how you can "interfere" in the parenting of children by providing healthcare. Its bullshit.

Even if it was true, I'd much rather politicians, whom I could vote against and make responsible for failure, be in charge of such services rather than send my kids to the "Macdonalds High School for the soon to be obese" or some hospital where they are treated depending on the profitable viability of the care required.

[hitekredneck]

The whole point though is not whether or not the level of care is better in the UK or the US.

We regard healthcare (and education) as a fundamental human right that EVERYONE is entitled to.

Now I still dont understand how you can "interfere" in the parenting of children by providing healthcare. Its bullshit.

Even if it was true, I'd much rather politicians, whom I could vote against and make responsible for failure, be in charge of such services rather than send my kids to the "Macdonalds High School for the soon to be obese" or some hospital where they are treated depending on the profitable viability of the care required.

and what makes you think it's not a right here?...just because of the media bulshit you're fed everyday?...same with education..everybody has those same rights, and you've yet to prove to me or anybody else that you're system is superior to ours...as for the "interference", it isn't the healthcare i'm worried about...it's more about liberal "teachers" indoctrinating my children with their biased political ideals....

[England Expects]

Whatever school you send your kids too, you risk that.

As far as I'm aware, political indoctrination is not part of our national curriculum, ie is not permitted in state or private schools.

And hitek, not once have I said that our system is "superior"; you did that, and failed to back it up. All I said was that its selfish to care only about healthcare and education of your own kid.

[General Septem]

Liberty comes first. Whatever they do after that is secondary, but public education and other services are important.

[bullfighter]

but you guys treat this like a little chat line,,why dont real people get on this.to say what the real bullshit is...your so fucked when it comes to know the truth ,it hurts ...hello anyone out there that see the bullshit ,i thought that this is what this site was set up for ....you local few should email each other

[WhiteRaven]

Bullfighter, go fight a bull.