get the F*** outta here

[yea_thats_right1]

HAVANA - Fidel Castro wrote Tuesday that President Bush is threatening the world with nuclear war and famine — an attack on Washington a day before the White House was to announce new plans to draw Cuba away from communists.

"The danger of a massive world famine is aggravated by Mr. Bush's recent initiative to transform foods into fuel," Castro wrote in Cuban news media, referring to U.S. support for using corn and other food crops to produce gasoline substitutes.

The brief essay titled "Bush, Hunger and Death" also alleged that Bush "threatens humanity with World War III, this time using atomic weapons."

The White House on Tuesday brushed off Castro's comments — particularly his assertion that Bush was pursuing a forceful conquest of Cuba.

"Dictators say a lot of things, and most of them can be discounted, including that," said White House press secretary Dana Perino.

Perino said that Bush on Wednesday would urge other nations to join together in promoting democracy in Cuba.

"It is true that soon the decades-long debate about our policy towards Cuba will come to a time when we're going to have an opportunity here, when Castro is no longer leading Cuba, that the people there should be able to have a chance at freedom and democracy," she said. "That opportunity is coming."

In his essay, Castro predicted that Bush "will adopt new measures to accelerate the 'transition period' in our country, equivalent to a new conquest of Cuba by force."

Cuban officials have long denounced U.S. efforts to produce a "transition" from Castro's government to a Western-style representative democracy.

Ailing and 81, Castro has not been seen in public since undergoing emergency intestinal surgery and ceding power to a provisional government headed by his younger brother Raul in July 2006.

While he has looked upbeat and lucid in official videos, he also seems too frail to resume power.

Life on the island has changed little under Raul Castro, the 76-year-old defense minister who was his elder brother's hand-picked successor for decades.

Cuba staged municipal elections on Sunday, the first step in a process that will determine if Fidel Castro is re-elected or replaced next year as Cuban leader

what a dumbass. So Bush wont be happy unless hes at war with the ENTIRE world?!?!?! sounds like someone needs to be shot!

[bullfighter]

HAVANA - Fidel Castro wrote Tuesday that President Bush is threatening the world with nuclear war and famine — an attack on Washington a day before the White House was to announce new plans to draw Cuba away from communists.

"The danger of a massive world famine is aggravated by Mr. Bush's recent initiative to transform foods into fuel," Castro wrote in Cuban news media, referring to U.S. support for using corn and other food crops to produce gasoline substitutes.

The brief essay titled "Bush, Hunger and Death" also alleged that Bush "threatens humanity with World War III, this time using atomic weapons."

The White House on Tuesday brushed off Castro's comments — particularly his assertion that Bush was pursuing a forceful conquest of Cuba.

"Dictators say a lot of things, and most of them can be discounted, including that," said White House press secretary Dana Perino.

Perino said that Bush on Wednesday would urge other nations to join together in promoting democracy in Cuba.

"It is true that soon the decades-long debate about our policy towards Cuba will come to a time when we're going to have an opportunity here, when Castro is no longer leading Cuba, that the people there should be able to have a chance at freedom and democracy," she said. "That opportunity is coming."

In his essay, Castro predicted that Bush "will adopt new measures to accelerate the 'transition period' in our country, equivalent to a new conquest of Cuba by force."

Cuban officials have long denounced U.S. efforts to produce a "transition" from Castro's government to a Western-style representative democracy.

Ailing and 81, Castro has not been seen in public since undergoing emergency intestinal surgery and ceding power to a provisional government headed by his younger brother Raul in July 2006.

While he has looked upbeat and lucid in official videos, he also seems too frail to resume power.

Life on the island has changed little under Raul Castro, the 76-year-old defense minister who was his elder brother's hand-picked successor for decades.

Cuba staged municipal elections on Sunday, the first step in a process that will determine if Fidel Castro is re-elected or replaced next year as Cuban leader

what a dumbass. So Bush wont be happy unless hes at war with the ENTIRE world?!?!?! sounds like someone needs to be shot!

while there are many signs showing up,everything can not be dismissed..the boy that cryed wolf was finaly right..when nobody would believe him..so take your chance..the head of security said the gouvernment could not take care of all the people when this thing happens.and slowly they are tilling you to prepare for something with out panicing ..

[WhiteRaven]

people who quote themselves are really very stupid.

[Walter Weiss]

WAHSINGTON...PARTICULARLY A BUNCH OF WHINING SCREAMING DEMORATS...is GUILTY of not waging a war of armed conquest to evict the government of Cuba from the Western hemisphere forever, and for not placing various leaders...to include Fidel Castro...on trial for crimes against humanity.

When you operate a policy of "kiss their ass" politics on the foreign front, you are enabling the Fidel Castros of this world.

That prick Clinton was a personal friend of Fidel Castros I am told....consorting with a communist dictator while running Washington? That is worthy of an arrest for treason!

If you want wars and dictatorships to go away, then you have to be willing to neutralize the threat immediately.

Cuba has cost us millions in watch-dog efforts to protect ourselves. The treacherous bastards were attempting to lodge ICBM bases in Cuba long ago, but we had a demorat puss liberal bastard sitting in power in the white house that would do nothing beyond a threat. Cuba should have been immediately invaded, and the Soviet Union should have been threatened with a massive launch for daring to cross the Atlantic with nukes capable to destroy an entire country! It was a prelude to the destruction of America by the Soviet Union, and it went unpunished, and Cuba was allowed to go free!

Invade Cuba...now....today....hold it....keep it....never let it go.

When there is a military job to be done, just do it, and you will find that fewer threats will exist in the world if you act immediately, heavily, decisively, consisely and totally!

We have no one but the USA to blame for the continued existance of Fidel Castro. We have a military.....LETS USE IT!

[England Expects]

WAHSINGTON...PARTICULARLY A BUNCH OF WHINING SCREAMING DEMORATS...is GUILTY of not waging a war of armed conquest to evict the government of Cuba from the Western hemisphere forever, and for not placing various leaders...to include Fidel Castro...on trial for crimes against humanity.

When you operate a policy of "kiss their ass" politics on the foreign front, you are enabling the Fidel Castros of this world.

That prick Clinton was a personal friend of Fidel Castros I am told....consorting with a communist dictator while running Washington? That is worthy of an arrest for treason!

If you want wars and dictatorships to go away, then you have to be willing to neutralize the threat immediately.

Cuba has cost us millions in watch-dog efforts to protect ourselves. The treacherous bastards were attempting to lodge ICBM bases in Cuba long ago, but we had a demorat puss liberal bastard sitting in power in the white house that would do nothing beyond a threat. Cuba should have been immediately invaded, and the Soviet Union should have been threatened with a massive launch for daring to cross the Atlantic with nukes capable to destroy an entire country! It was a prelude to the destruction of America by the Soviet Union, and it went unpunished, and Cuba was allowed to go free!

Invade Cuba...now....today....hold it....keep it....never let it go.

When there is a military job to be done, just do it, and you will find that fewer threats will exist in the world if you act immediately, heavily, decisively, consisely and totally!

We have no one but the USA to blame for the continued existance of Fidel Castro. We have a military.....LETS USE IT!

Sorry, but if you invaded Cuba, I'd be on the first plane over there to fight you.

http://www.billybragg.com/releases/albums/internationale/inter3.html

[bullfighter]

Sorry, but if you invaded Cuba, I'd be on the first plane over there to fight you.

[to the duck you must be among the stupid].i have very little words for you....then ww your hard line is fine but many good and bad things come about with that...ee you must understand something else you could stand up for that is good also...........BUT WHAT i was saying is not who is right or wrong the shit is in the fan and someone will turn the fan on.....i did not quote myself ,i seen the head minister of defence take barbra walters into a underground bunker so prepared for the heads of state and rich in power,you would not believe these people could live there for years,they build it with your money...and he told the people 100percent that these things would happen and they could not be responsible for all the people...i do not give a fuck if you believe me...i just want you to open your fucking blind eyes and see what is happening for your self...i do not care who is right or wrong..do you think the woman and children in irag give a fuck who is right or wrong as they get blown apart

[England Expects]

[to the duck you must be among the stupid].i have very little words for you....then ww your hard line is fine but many good and bad things come about with that...ee you must understand something else you could stand up for that is good also...........BUT WHAT i was saying is not who is right or wrong the shit is in the fan and someone will turn the fan on.....i did not quote myself ,i seen the head minister of defence take barbra walters into a underground bunker so prepared for the heads of state and rich in power,you would not believe these people could live there for years,they build it with your money...and he told the people 100percent that these things would happen and they could not be responsible for all the people...i do not give a fuck if you believe me...i just want you to open your fucking blind eyes and see what is happening for your self...i do not care who is right or wrong..do you think the woman and children in irag give a fuck who is right or wrong as they get blown apart

I'd probably believe you, if I had a clue what you were saying.

[England Expects]

Two good rules to remember.

1. Dont believe a word Castro says about the US.
2. Dont believe a word the US says about Castro.

However, in the very unlikely event that a US President would be dumb enough (even the one you have now isn't) to try that again, every word Castro has said would be proved right.

They're a sovereign nation that are taking small steps towards a more democratic system. They're inviting foreign investment, from Europe and Canada. They are no threat to the USA.

In unprovoked attack would be completely illegal, and probably result in Russian and maybe even European Nukes being re-trained on America

[Loseirdo]

Did any of you actually read the article? How is urging "other nations to join together in promoting democracy in Cuba" the same as "preparing to invade Cuba"?

Why the fuck would we want to invade Cuba? It sucks ass there. That would be like paying $2 million for a pile of shit. No thanks.

Granted, I'll be glad when Castro finally kicks the bucket. What a douche.

[England Expects]

Why the fuck would we want to invade Cuba? It sucks ass there. That would be like paying $2 million for a pile of shit. No thanks.

Really? You've been to Cuba then?

If it's such a crock of shit, why has the US been crying like babies because they were kicked out of there 50 years ago?

[Loseirdo]

Really? You've been to Cuba then?

If it's such a crock of shit, why has the US been crying like babies because they were kicked out of there 50 years ago?

To tell you the truth, it probably wouldn't be a shitty place if we controlled it.

I'm sure Cuba is a wonderful place to visit. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there, though.

Same with Mexico. If you have money, it's a lovely place to visit. There are a thousand other places I'd rather live, though.

Refresh my memory...when were we "crying like babies"?

Maybe when we're done in Iraq we'll just conquer the rest of the world. After all, ousting a tyrannical dictator and combating a terrorist insurgency is the same as military conquest, right? Iraq and Afghanistan are going to become U.S. territories, right? Cuba's next, right? Then Mexico, right? Then Iran and Syria, right? Then we'll move through Central America and work our way into South America, right? After all, America is only concerned with conquering people, right? We don't care at all about the fates of other nations, right?

All this sarcasm is making me sick to my stomach.

[bullfighter]

I'd probably believe you, if I had a clue what you were saying.

I was just saying that there is alot of greif going on[always has been i know] there is lots of threats,but also there is lots of action and people dying,if the people of usa think that they are untouchable they are wrong.out of fear they will create there own demise...i guess what i am saying, trying to pick a side is a waste of time.there was many warnings to say get your own place secure...please read proverds 30/ 25...i will explane it to you if you like,maybe you think it is all bull...bull or not we are a feeble folk that need to build our home in a solid place ,and it is time to prepare for the winter...

[Loseirdo]

we are a feeble folk that need to build our home in a solid place ,and it is time to prepare for the winter...

NUCLEAR winter!

LET'S NUKE THE WORLD!

[bullfighter]

NUCLEAR winter!

LET'S NUKE THE WORLD!

your comments are great ,i like your humour,have you ever been to loserido's its a great place...you know if you want you can sit back on the couch or easy boy chair and till us all your troubles,perhaps we can figure out how to help your sorry ass...remember be calm and trust

[Loseirdo]

your comments are great ,i like your humour,have you ever been to loserido's its a great place...you know if you want you can sit back on the couch or easy boy chair and till us all your troubles,perhaps we can figure out how to help your sorry ass...remember be calm and trust

Just pokin' some fun. :D

[freakazoid]

Sorry, but if you invaded Cuba, I'd be on the first plane over there to fight you.

http://www.billybragg.com/releases/albums/internationale/inter3.html

RE: "Sorry, but if you invaded Cuba, I'd be on the first plane over there to fight you."

...and the first to die when the US Marines get there, euro-dumbdumb...

Everyone sing along!!!

Over there, over there,
Send the word, send the word over there -
That the Yanks are coming,
The Yanks are coming,
The drums rum-tumming
Ev'rywhere.
So prepare, say a pray'r,
Send the word, send the word to beware.
We'll be over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back till it's over
Over there.

[bullfighter]

I was just saying that there is alot of greif going on[always has been i know] there is lots of threats,but also there is lots of action and people dying,if the people of usa think that they are untouchable they are wrong.out of fear they will create there own demise...i guess what i am saying, trying to pick a side is a waste of time.there was many warnings to say get your own place secure...please read proverds 30/ 25...i will explane it to you if you like,maybe you think it is all bull...bull or not we are a feeble folk that need to build our home in a solid place ,and it is time to prepare for the winter...

and then in canada may next year..these will teach skills to live outside the system within the system..no ducks allowed we will help change lose rrrs into whiners then into leaders...

[yea_thats_right1]

im wondering when the other countries will gang up on us for trying to go to war with everyone

[Loseirdo]

im wondering when the other countries will gang up on us for trying to go to war with everyone

I wonder when idiots will stop saying that we're going to war with everyone when we clearly aren't.

Probably never. Idiots never cease being so, as I've heard.

[bullfighter]

im wondering when the other countries will gang up on us for trying to go to war with everyone

properganda always keeps us on our toes so the power people can make there ways to what they want,they always piss each other off ,we pay for it,we die for it,we kill for it ,they have rich life for it.each day will bring you choises, make the best you can ,trust the timing of god ..so don;t worry about the lose rrr, he make believes what he wants and will never see the truth clearly

[bullfighter]

and then in canada may next year..these will teach skills to live outside the system within the system..no ducks allowed we will help change lose rrrs into whiners then into leaders...

WHAT DO YOU DO IN YOUR DAY to be happy and how do you trust in the future

[Loseirdo]

properganda always keeps us on our toes so the power people can make there ways to what they want,they always piss each other off ,we pay for it,we die for it,we kill for it ,they have rich life for it.each day will bring you choises, make the best you can ,trust the timing of god ..so don;t worry about the lose rrr, he make believes what he wants and will never see the truth clearly

Sorry, you're absolutely right. I'm making things up.

Now that I'm eager to believe anything you say, can you tell me who we are currently at war with and who we are trying to go to war with?

[bullfighter]

Sorry, you're absolutely right. I'm making things up.

Now that I'm eager to believe anything you say, can you tell me who we are currently at war with and who we are trying to go to war with?

even tho i feel it was done in sarcasum.war smar we are at war with ourselfs.we try to believe in the powers to be.we try to feel our way of thinking will change it one way or anoughter.we try to see what is right or wrong..look at your daily adventures and people around you..stop for while ,let your instints tell you .do you feel you want to kill or have fun,what do you want for others...........

[Loseirdo]

even tho i feel it was done in sarcasum.war smar we are at war with ourselfs.we try to believe in the powers to be.we try to feel our way of thinking will change it one way or anoughter.we try to see what is right or wrong..look at your daily adventures and people around you..stop for while ,let your instints tell you .do you feel you want to kill or have fun,what do you want for others...........

Yes, master. I couldn't really understand what you were saying, but I agree with it anyway. You know all.

[yea_thats_right1]

I wonder when idiots will stop saying that we're going to war with everyone when we clearly aren't.

Probably never. Idiots never cease being so, as I've heard.

yes clearly... not at this very moment... however.. Bush making plans to "draw cubans away from communism" When they are not asking for our help Is a wonderful way to begin dont you think?... Think about it... say your standing on the street, minding your own business, when someone comes up to you and trys to convert you to their religion.... and tells you that what you believe in is wrong and that their way is better. You tell them "nah i like it my way, i think ill stick with it" and they keep bugging you and bugging you... eventualy you would get fed up right? I know i would... i would probably throw a punch or two... get where im going with this?
And the idiot comment was cute :)

[Loseirdo]

yes clearly... not at this very moment... however.. Bush making plans to "draw cubans away from communism" When they are not asking for our help Is a wonderful way to begin dont you think?... Think about it... say your standing on the street, minding your own business, when someone comes up to you and trys to convert you to their religion.... and tells you that what you believe in is wrong and that their way is better. You tell them "nah i like it my way, i think ill stick with it" and they keep bugging you and bugging you... eventualy you would get fed up right? I know i would... i would probably throw a punch or two... get where im going with this?
And the idiot comment was cute :)

The difference, of course, is that Democracy is better than Communism. This is empirically true. Or would you have rather had the U.S.S.R. stay in power?

Encouraging other nations to help move Cuba towards Democracy is in no way a declaration of war. If you can't see that, well...damn. Seriously, damn.

[yea_thats_right1]

The difference, of course, is that Democracy is better than Communism. This is empirically true. Or would you have rather had the U.S.S.R. stay in power?

Encouraging other nations to help move Cuba towards Democracy is in no way a declaration of war. If you can't see that, well...damn. Seriously, damn.

It is if they dont want it... and if they wanted it they would be crying to the US... BUT alas theyre not! So why try to push democracy on a nation that doesnt want it just because we want to control everything and everyone? Why cant Bush and the rest of the government worry about our country and fix our shit before they go "fixing" everyone else?

[Loseirdo]

It is if they dont want it... and if they wanted it they would be crying to the US... BUT alas theyre not! So why try to push democracy on a nation that doesnt want it just because we want to control everything and everyone? Why cant Bush and the rest of the government worry about our country and fix our shit before they go "fixing" everyone else?

I guess that's why tens of thousands of Cubans don't immigrate to our country every year and thousands more don't try to sneak in illegally.

Oh, wait.

[yea_thats_right1]

You are too cute! And i have to say the attitude you have towards people who disagree with you is also endearing :)

[Walter Weiss]

Sorry, but if you invaded Cuba, I'd be on the first plane over there to fight you.

http://www.billybragg.com/releases/albums/internationale/inter3.html

They are a threat to this Nation, and they are near our Nation, and as such, they must suffer the consequences of their actions. An invasion is an appropriate response to the hi-jinx the Cubans have perpetrated over and over again. We send troops far away to strike enemies that are guilty of less than is Fidel's administration. Invading Cuba is right, proper, cost efficient, and would begin the march toward stabilizing and unifying the Western hemisphere. Gathering those resources, re-indoctrinating those masses with free market capitalism, democracy, and raising the standard of living from the third world conditions to modern day living will strengthen the West and unify it for what lies ahead in the future....that which has been inevitable from day one....the communist threat.....with China rising high, and a KGB trained Russian at the helm, and terrorists slinking in the shadows, the WEST MUST UNIFY AND CLEANSE ITSELF OF COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY IF WESTERN STANDARDS OF LIVING ARE TO PREVAIL AND BE LONG LASTING.

LET US NOT BE ENSLAVED BY THE COMMUNIST YOKE...and if you want to go to Cuba and be crushed under the American combat boot, then maybe it is your destiny......to fall alongside the associates of Castro.....maybe they will put your ashes in the Kremlin wall where they belong.....

[Limbo]

It is if they dont want it... and if they wanted it they would be crying to the US... BUT alas theyre not! So why try to push democracy on a nation that doesnt want it

How do you know they don't want freedom and democracy? If a Cuban does want it, is she/he free to announce it from the rooftops? Do you have any understanding of how communism works?? They have secret police everywhere monitoring what everybody does. People are scared spitless to say anything against the authorities, and for good reason. If you do speak out, you will end up in a labor camp, or a mental hospital. If the people really want to be ruled by a communist dictator, then why should Castro be afraid of any political opposition?

We don't have to go in with guns blazing, but we should do whatever we can to destabilize the regime. Personally, I would rather be dead than red.

[yea_thats_right1]

Ok, im not pro-communism... but i dont think that we should start something with cuba over how their country is run... i see this becoming another war... another invasion.. another money sucking fight. We have enough to worry about (and clean up) with iraq, afghanistan... and soon iran.... It just doesnt make sense to me and seems like more trouble than its worth.. thats all

[England Expects]

They are a threat to this Nation, and they are near our Nation, and as such, they must suffer the consequences of their actions. An invasion is an appropriate response to the hi-jinx the Cubans have perpetrated over and over again. We send troops far away to strike enemies that are guilty of less than is Fidel's administration. Invading Cuba is right, proper, cost efficient, and would begin the march toward stabilizing and unifying the Western hemisphere. Gathering those resources, re-indoctrinating those masses with free market capitalism, democracy, and raising the standard of living from the third world conditions to modern day living will strengthen the West and unify it for what lies ahead in the future....that which has been inevitable from day one....the communist threat.....with China rising high, and a KGB trained Russian at the helm, and terrorists slinking in the shadows, the WEST MUST UNIFY AND CLEANSE ITSELF OF COMMUNIST IDEOLOGY IF WESTERN STANDARDS OF LIVING ARE TO PREVAIL AND BE LONG LASTING.

LET US NOT BE ENSLAVED BY THE COMMUNIST YOKE...and if you want to go to Cuba and be crushed under the American combat boot, then maybe it is your destiny......to fall alongside the associates of Castro.....maybe they will put your ashes in the Kremlin wall where they belong.....

The West must unify?

Perceived American imperialism (real or not) has already divided us. America is burning bridges not building them.

Walter, don't be so absurd. How the hell is Cuba a threat to the US?

"How can a country large as ours
Be scared of such a threat
Well if they won't work for us
They're against us you can bet
They may be sovereign countries
But you folks at home forget
That they all want what we've got
But they don't know it yet"

[England Expects]

How do you know they don't want freedom and democracy? If a Cuban does want it, is she/he free to announce it from the rooftops? Do you have any understanding of how communism works?? They have secret police everywhere monitoring what everybody does. People are scared spitless to say anything against the authorities, and for good reason. If you do speak out, you will end up in a labor camp, or a mental hospital. If the people really want to be ruled by a communist dictator, then why should Castro be afraid of any political opposition?

We don't have to go in with guns blazing, but we should do whatever we can to destabilize the regime. Personally, I would rather be dead than red.

I've been there. I've spoken to people in Havana and Matanzas.

They hate the US, because of its support for the fascist military leader Batista in the 1950's and the trade blockade that has been in place since the revolution.

They love Castro because he is the man (at least they think) that can repel the invading yankee imperialists, that they believe would just install another puppet dictator in Fidel's place. The USA have a terrible track record when it comes to supporting Cuban democracy.

[General Septem]

The USA have a terrible track record when it comes to supporting Cuban democracy.

And Iraqi democracy, for that matter.

[England Expects]

To be honest you have a pretty awful record on supporting democracy worldwide.

In central America, the middle east, Pakistan, Indonesia. America has and does support military dictators, as long as they play ball and hand over their natural resources.

It would be more accurate and honest for them to quit the bullshit about promoting democracy and tell the world they're imposing capitalism.

[General Septem]

To be honest you have a pretty awful record on supporting democracy worldwide.

Maybe in the past 20 or so years. I'd say we did pretty well in the World Wars as well as the Cold War.

[England Expects]

World wars, granted yes.

Is the cold war over? Is Russia democratic? Putin is a dictator in all but name.

In the 1950's, the US deposed the elected government of Guatamala, and installed their own dictator there. Why? According the the US state department

Guatamala was....... Get this

TOO DEMOCRATIC

Basically meaning they'd elected a government that the US didn't like.

[Limbo]

I've been there. I've spoken to people in Havana and Matanzas.

They hate the US, because of its support for the fascist military leader Batista in the 1950's and the trade blockade that has been in place since the revolution.

They love Castro because he is the man (at least they think) that can repel the invading yankee imperialists, that they believe would just install another puppet dictator in Fidel's place. The USA have a terrible track record when it comes to supporting Cuban democracy.

So you are saying that "they" hate the U.S., meaning Cubans in general, based on your conversation with a few people there who would end up in a labor camp if they said otherwise?

Do they have a free press in Cuba, or are they fed propaganda bullshit on a daily basis from the communists?

Get real dude. Why don't you ask some Cuban exiles in Florida, or some people risking their lives to flee in dangerous old boats to get to U.S. if they hate America.

Man, you are such a typical brainwashed socialist.

[England Expects]

Limbo, take your yankee blinkers off.

Sure they're fed propaganda, just as you are about them.

Such is western arrogance that we assume that every nation aspires to be like us. They dont.

Dya know why?

Because under the US backed Batista regime:

65% of households had no running water
63% had no WC
83% had no bathtub or shower
93% had no electricity
49% of active people were unemployed
22% had access to a doctor
There was 1 dentist for every 27k people
Infant mortality was 60 per 1000 births
14% had TB
30% had malaria
25% were illiterate
55% of children between 6 and 14 went to school.

Why is this true?

Because 75% of the land was owned by 8% of the people
US companies owned over 50% of the sugar cane production
The US controlled 60% of the islands trade.

Compare that to their situation now, despite the immoral trade blockade and there's no need to preach propaganda against the west. Trust me. They hate you.

[England Expects]

In any case, here's the Cuban response to the White House

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2007/octubre/mier24/43felipe-i.html

[Limbo]

Limbo, take your yankee blinkers off.

Sure they're fed propaganda, just as you are about them.


I can surf the web freely, read any newspaper I want and make my opinions known without fear of retribution, how can anyone feed me propaganda? I am a free person that can get my news and information anywhere, unlike the Cuban people. Castro is a freaking communist dictator. What don't you understand about that? You obviously think the ends justifies the means, which makes you a good little commie, similar to Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin.



Such is western arrogance that we assume that every nation aspires to be like us. They dont.


I think most people prefer freedom over dictatorship numbnuts.




Dya know why?

Because under the US backed Batista regime:

65% of households had no running water
63% had no WC
83% had no bathtub or shower
93% had no electricity
49% of active people were unemployed
22% had access to a doctor
There was 1 dentist for every 27k people
Infant mortality was 60 per 1000 births
14% had TB
30% had malaria
25% were illiterate
55% of children between 6 and 14 went to school.

Why is this true?

Because 75% of the land was owned by 8% of the people
US companies owned over 50% of the sugar cane production
The US controlled 60% of the islands trade.

Compare that to their situation now, despite the immoral trade blockade and there's no need to preach propaganda against the west. Trust me. They hate you.

Why are socialists so stuck in the past? This is the 21st century dude. What you were talking about was over a half a century ago. Whatever the case was 50 years ago, that doesn't justify what the asshole commies are doing now. Didn't your mummy ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

So since there is no need to preach propaganda against the west, I'm sure the good little commies there will be allowing freedom of the press any time now.

[Limbo]

So you would pick up a gun to protect these assholes?

Here is the kind of regime you would be defending.



The fifth anniversary of the "13 de Marzo" massacre is rapidly approaching. Five years ago on July 13, 1994 forty one men, women, and children were murdered by the Cuban government for trying to leave Cuba. Five years later, despite offers from European nations and exile groups, the bodies of the 41 victims have still not been recovered. The men responsible for the massacre were given medals and promoted. Survivors and family members of the victims who refused to remain silent are harassed or driven out of the country.

If this were but one isolated act there would still be just cause for outrage, but sadly in Cuba there is a pattern for this type of brutality by a government against its own people, stretching back over the past four decades of the Castro dictatorship.

Another recent example of this brutality was during the summer of 1993 during the month of June. U.S. military guards surveying Guantanamo Bay witnessed what the U.S. State Department called "an act of extreme cruelty." On June 19 at 2:00 p.m., Cuban troops aboard patrol boats dropped grenades in the paths of several swimmers headed for the U.S. base. A day later on June 20 at 1:30 p.m., Cuban troops repeated the action, then strafed the water with machine-gun fire. Six days later on June 26 at 11 a.m., three patrol boats surrounded a group of swimmers, lobbing grenades and spraying them with automatic weapons fire. At least three corpses were lifted out of the water with gaffs. A day later on June 27 at 11:30 a.m., guards aboard patrol boats lobbed two grenades into the water. Just before 3:00 p.m., a patrol boat opened automatic fire on a group of swimmers. Agents of the Cuban government were using gaffs usually used to pull game fish into boats on human beings to pull their bodies from the water after using grenades, and machine gun fire against unarmed swimmers.

The 1995 Ackerman and Clark study, The Cuban Balseros: Voyage of Uncertainty states that, "between 1959 and late August 1994, a total of as many as 100,000 balseros [rafters] may have died in crossing." Furthermore, they argue that it is likely that rafters in the early days of the revolution faced harsher conditions because Cuban gunboats "at that time had orders to shoot to kill."


Kind of comes accross as a bit sick dude.

[Loseirdo]

You are too cute! And i have to say the attitude you have towards people who disagree with you is also endearing :)

:D I love it when people know I'm right but don't want to concede victory, so they resort to condescension to make themselves feel tough. Keep it up. It does wonders for your credibility.

For England, I have to side with Limbo (naturally). What happened fifty years ago doesn't justify what's going on now. We don't want to turn Cuba into a "Little America", but that doesn't mean Democracy wouldn't be better for them. Same with Iraq. We don't expect them to be like us, but we do know that a Democracy would be better than what they had, and most of them are starting to realize it, too. They and the Cubans were fed pure propaganda bullshit on a daily basis, but they're starting to see the world for what it is, and us for what we are. We're trying to help them, and many of them are glad of it. But do you ever hear about that in the news? Heavens, no. The liberal media like nothing more than to take every anti-American story they can and blow it way out of proportion. The fact is, the only people who still want us out of Iraq are the pansy-ass liberals in our country and the terrorists in theirs. Perhaps we should deal with the liberals the same way we're dealing with the terrorists. As far as I'm concerned, they're both terrorists in their own right.

[Limbo]

Some more info for EE about the regime he would fight to the death to defend.

You can see the whole report here (from Human Rights Watch) (http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/Cuba996-01.htm#P355_13934)



Repression of Dissidents

Cuban authorities continue to treat as criminal offenses nonviolent activities such as meeting to discuss the economy or elections, writing letters to the government, reporting on political or economic developments, speaking to international reporters, or advocating the release of political prisoners. While the number of political prosecutions has diminished in the past few years, Cuban courts continue to try and imprison human rights activists, independent journalists, economists, doctors, and others for the peaceful expression of their views, subjecting them to the Cuban prison system's extremely poor conditions. Even as Cuba released some political prisoners early in 1998—most of whom had completed most of their sentences—continuing trials replenished their numbers. Prison remained a plausible threat to any Cubans considering nonviolent opposition. In the case of four dissident leaders arrested in July 1997 and only tried—for inciting sedition—in March 1999, receiving sentences ranging fromthree and one-half to five years, the arbitrariness of Cuban repression was starkly on display.




Routine Repression

Short of sentencing activists to prison terms or detaining them for lengthy periods without trial, Cuba employs additional tactics to impede individuals and organizations from undertaking activities that are, or that appear to be, in opposition to its policies or practices. The range of repressive measures includes short-term arbitrary detentions, official warnings (advertencias oficiales), removal from jobs and housing, surveillance, harassment, intimidation, and forced exile. Government actions against dissidents appear to occur in waves, with lulls followed by periods of intense harassment, often in response to heightened opposition activity. Although Pope John Paul's January 1998 visit to Cuba marked a period of relative calm, government pressures increased as the year went on. In early 1999, the government tried several dissidents and arrested dozens of independent journalists and activists. Dissidents willing to criticize the government publicly risk serious consequences, from the trauma of wrongful arrests and potential prosecutions to the loss of their homes and sources of income, as well as the significant emotional costs wrought by individual and group repudiations or the deprivation of contact with family, community, and culture through forced exile.

[yea_thats_right1]

[QUOTE=Loseirdo;40211]:D I love it when people know I'm right but don't want to concede victory, so they resort to condescension to make themselves feel tough. Keep it up. It does wonders for your credibility.QUOTE]

Well see... thats where your wrong... you arnt right... what i stated was MY opinion on the situation... it is my OPINION that bush will try to push and push cuba to change and they will push back... It is MY opinion. And may i remind you that you started by calling me an idiot... when in fact you have no idea... so being a bully does wonders for your credibility... and if you would have read my previous post you would have gotten the rest of my response.

[England Expects]

Limbo, you say there's no need for you to be fed propaganda, then quote..... propaganda.

It may be true, it may not be, but I'd say that's still better than starving kids living in squalor in the hovels.

Well done for naming three communists though.:rolleyes:

Yeah 50 years has passed, but the blockade on Cuba is still in place and has been extended by Bush. Cuba is making steps towards a more democratic system. Is developing better ties with the west and welcoming foreign investment... Just not from you guys.

Loseirdo, I think you're talking sense here. The best thing you can do if you want to "help" the Cubans is to petition your government to drop that blockade. To stop penalising third party companies from the UK and EU who trade with Cuba.

Castro says to the people

"The US hate Cubans. They're starving our kids, and stopping us from buying medicines. They impose sanctions against our friends abroad."

For almost 50 years, you've been justifying his message.

[England Expects]

Well see... thats where your wrong... you arnt right... what i stated was MY opinion on the situation... it is my OPINION that bush will try to push and push cuba to change and they will push back... It is MY opinion. And may i remind you that you started by calling me an idiot... when in fact you have no idea... so being a bully does wonders for your credibility... and if you would have read my previous post you would have gotten the rest of my response.

You're absolutely right about them pushing back. If you invaded (very unlikely) the resistance from Cubans would make Iraq look like a Sunday afternoon picnic.

[Limbo]

Limbo, you say there's no need for you to be fed propaganda, then quote..... propaganda.


But we are free to discuss whether it is propaganda or not. Human rights watch is not exactly a right wing organization. To me, they have a hell of a lot more credibility than the official Commie-nist press in Cuba. I don't think these things HRW is reporting are really even controversial. In fact, for them, it is almost embarrassing to report these things as they probably share some of the goals of the commies, just not the methods, and they may rightly feel that reporting on such things may ultimately hurt their cause, but kudos to them for having the courage to do so.



I'd say that's still better than starving kids living in squalor in the hovels.


Err, I think that is pretty much the situation now. Not enough to eat, and living in a dump. Good luck trying to get in there to try to find out the truth though. The commies have always been really good liars. If they can't actually accomplish something, they just tell everyone that they have anyway, and then ruthlessly punish anyone who has the balls to say otherwise.

And let's get real, nobody is going to invade Cuba. Sounds to me like the usual Democrat pre-election crap. They don't want to be honest about their own agenda, so prefer to lie about their opposition.

[England Expects]

But we are free to discuss whether it is propaganda or not. Human rights watch is not exactly a right wing organization. To me, they have a hell of a lot more credibility than the official Commie-nist press in Cuba. I don't think these things HRW is reporting are really even controversial. In fact, for them, it is almost embarrassing to report these things as they probably share some of the goals of the commies, just not the methods, and they may rightly feel that reporting on such things may ultimately hurt their cause, but kudos to them for having the courage to do so.

Err, I think that is pretty much the situation now. Not enough to eat, and living in a dump. Good luck trying to get in there to try to find out the truth though. The commies have always been really good liars. If they can't actually accomplish something, they just tell everyone that they have anyway, and then ruthlessly punish anyone who has the balls to say otherwise.

And let's get real, nobody is going to invade Cuba. Sounds to me like the usual Democrat pre-election crap. They don't want to be honest about their own agenda, so prefer to lie about their opposition.

Much of what you say is true. You're right, human rights watch maybe more reliable that the Cuban government, but they still have their own agenda. Nobody wants to read how everything is fine In Cuba, or anywhere else. They have some great things to say about the USA, which I will look up again and post.

You're wrong about their situation now though.

Yes they're poor. They suffered horribly in the 1990's after the break up of their only real international ally, the USSR. Their sugar industry was basically wiped out instantaneously as they had no-one to sell to. Since then, with the help of foreign investment from Venezuela, Canada and the EU countries (mainly Britain and Germany) their oil and tourism industries have boomed.

All kids get free education to university level if they want it. Everyone who wants to work, can. Everyone has the right to healthcare, which is of a better standard than most countries in latin america, despite what the US government tell you.

Life isn't a bed of roses there although it is getting better. I've been accused in the past of painting Cuba as some kind of communist utopia. It certainly is not. It's not the shithole that your government would have you believe though.

And I agree, a US invasion is unthinkable, not just unlikely.

[Walter Weiss]

The West must unify?

Perceived American imperialism (real or not) has already divided us. America is burning bridges not building them.

Walter, don't be so absurd. How the hell is Cuba a threat to the US?

"How can a country large as ours
Be scared of such a threat
Well if they won't work for us
They're against us you can bet
They may be sovereign countries
But you folks at home forget
That they all want what we've got
But they don't know it yet"

CUBA is a platform from which our enemies work against us. CUBA is accomodating those who seek to destroy us. CUBA should be treated like a cockroach.....roaches should check-in, but they never should be allowed to check-out!

CUBA is in our hemisphere, and it is a sitting duck, and the masses need re-educated and brought into the free world of trade and commerce. It's government officials should be tried for crimes against humanity, and taken out and shot.....no that's wrong...bullets are for the worthy opponent...they should be hung from the bridges. The world does not need them anymore, and the people have suffered enough. THE USA IS THE ROCK OF THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE and the shining example of freedom to all oppressed peoples in the world. The annexation of CUBA by military force to protect the interests of the USA is proper, correct, feasible, and long overdue. We have a military....lets use it for it is intended for.

THE WEST TO SURVIVE THE FUTURE must ally and unify all Nations in this hemisphere in commerce, trade, military roles, manpower, humanities, sciences, educations, the arts, cultural exchange. Any who stand in the way of that, or balk at that, threaten all in the Western hemisphere, and therefore should be eliminated from the machinations of any government they are associated with. Those that are treasonist to this mission deserve to be placed on trial for crimes against humanity. The West has neglected to respond accordingly to the threat of communism and socialism emanating from the East. China rises as a collossus, with once again the largest Navy in the Pacific. China is a Nuclear Power with submarine platforms, and they are able to put their own payloads into space now. Russia is again under the rule of a KGB trained administrator who was a Middle-Eastern theatre specialist in KGB. The men of Europe are becoming feminized...all except their Russian counterparts. We must not expect much from the European anymore as their generals have become little more than girls who shriek and freak at the smell of gunpowder. Their soldiers wear earings and makeup and clamour for hashish. As for the Middle East, it was dominated by a series of terrorist dictators that should have fallen to European bullets long ago, and they did not! These Middle Eastern factions use Russian and Chinese equipment, [and some French equipment] and their leaders try to dress, look, and act like Uncle Joe Stalin.

The mission of the communist is still WORLD DOMINATION and now they have the hardware, the influence, the manpower and the means to carry out that goal at an increased pace. Communism emanates from the EAST. Therefore the WEST must cleanse itself of all communist functionairies and ideologies and prepare for the inevitable conflict with the EAST. It comes....and it is coming fast. This means we have to either cleanse central America or attack it and invade it very quickly. We then have to hit the South American Nations hard to bring them into the alliance against the East, lestr they may be one day controlled by the East.....it comes....it has always been coming....and the times point to WAR in order to carve out the peace and make the peace and security for future generations. We have kissed ass when we should have been kicking ass.

We have become weak, and our enemies have become strong.

[Limbo]

Much of what you say is true. You're right, human rights watch maybe more reliable that the Cuban government, but they still have their own agenda. Nobody wants to read how everything is fine In Cuba, or anywhere else. They have some great things to say about the USA, which I will look up again and post.

You're wrong about their situation now though.

Yes they're poor. They suffered horribly in the 1990's after the break up of their only real international ally, the USSR. Their sugar industry was basically wiped out instantaneously as they had no-one to sell to. Since then, with the help of foreign investment from Venezuela, Canada and the EU countries (mainly Britain and Germany) their oil and tourism industries have boomed.



Cuba was a pawn in the cold war and a propaganda tool for the Soviets. Just as in East Berlin, where foreigners were allowed to actually go and see for themselves, the Soviets wanted to show the world how great communism was, so they put a vast amount of resources into Cuba, especially in health care and education (training Doctors and setting up hospitals). After the Soviet empire collapsed, this artificial level of support disappeared, and Cuba could not support itself. The dream (or nightmare for many) of communism was pretty well dead

Now most people in Cuba can't survive without cheating the system (taking part in the underground economy that works outside of the communist planned economy). Of course the ruling class live like kings while the average Joe lives like a stinkin pig on the equivalent of a $10/ month salary.




All kids get free education to university level if they want it. Everyone who wants to work, can. Everyone has the right to healthcare, which is of a better standard than most countries in latin america, despite what the US government tell you.


What's the point of getting an education if there are no jobs or opportunity.:confused:



Life isn't a bed of roses there although it is getting better. I've been accused in the past of painting Cuba as some kind of communist utopia. It certainly is not. It's not the shithole that your government would have you believe though.


Eventually, they are going to have to face reality and become part of the world economy and allow some form of free market reforms, just as the Chinese commies have done.

[bullfighter]

Cuba was a pawn in the cold war and a propaganda tool for the Soviets. Just as in East Berlin, where foreigners were allowed to actually go and see for themselves, the Soviets wanted to show the world how great communism was, so they put a vast amount of resources into Cuba, especially in health care and education (training Doctors and setting up hospitals). After the Soviet empire collapsed, this artificial level of support disappeared, and Cuba could not support itself. The dream (or nightmare for many) of communism was pretty well dead

Now most people in Cuba can't survive without cheating the system (taking part in the underground economy that works outside of the communist planned economy). Of course the ruling class live like kings while the average Joe lives like a stinkin pig on the equivalent of a $10/ month salary.




What's the point of getting an education if there are no jobs or opportunity.:confused:



Eventually, they are going to have to face reality and become part of the world economy and allow some form of free market reforms, just as the Chinese commies have done.
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usa has used and abused many peoples in many lands for thier own gain..fine democracy should go around the world if they want it ..some people think we are more free then we really are...capalisium has many down falls also..the many that jump on the fear wagon ,and say look how poor tho's people are they need us...look how we need us and many improvments could be made for the working class .in this freedom two parents working to make ends.dying from many things at 50 or hooked on doctors drugs at55 ...fuck these guys think we are so pearly perfit they want to kill kill killl ........they say i am against the gouvernment i should walk the plank...well i say to them i see the bullshit , its been here for fuckin ever.and will not go away aslong as man in his greed is in charge

[Walter Weiss]

Cuba was a pawn in the cold war and a propaganda tool for the Soviets. Just as in East Berlin, where foreigners were allowed to actually go and see for themselves, the Soviets wanted to show the world how great communism was, so they put a vast amount of resources into Cuba, especially in health care and education (training Doctors and setting up hospitals). After the Soviet empire collapsed, this artificial level of support disappeared, and Cuba could not support itself. The dream (or nightmare for many) of communism was pretty well dead

Now most people in Cuba can't survive without cheating the system (taking part in the underground economy that works outside of the communist planned economy). Of course the ruling class live like kings while the average Joe lives like a stinkin pig on the equivalent of a $10/ month salary.




What's the point of getting an education if there are no jobs or opportunity.:confused:



Eventually, they are going to have to face reality and become part of the world economy and allow some form of free market reforms, just as the Chinese commies have done.

The end of the cold war didnt end the problem. To this day, Cuba has aided and abetted terrorists, hijackers, bank robbbers, communist intelligence agents, assasinations, North Koreans, Russian KGB, Arafat, Hussein, Bin Laden, dope runners, gun runners....you think that the end of the cold war solved all of your problems? These bastards live in our shadow....affect our National Security...torture their own people....undermined USA efforts on every occasion.

WHAT THE FUK ARE THEY STILL DOING FLYING THEIR FLAG UNDER OUR NOSE??? Invade them....destroy their government....execute their dictators....re-educate the public and bring peace and stability to that part of the zone. WE DONT NEED THEM HANGING OUT, AND GIVING OUR ENEMIES A REST STOP AND SAFE HAVEN WHILE THEY ARE OVER HERE UNDERMINING OUR NATION!!!

[England Expects]

What it basically boils down to Walter is that Cuba is slowly getting back on its feet.

Certain people in the US cant bear that happening without US help/interference.

They (you) need your ego's pampered by riding in on your white horse to scare all the nasty communists away.

The Cuban revolution was justified in its time to allow Cubans to be free of foreign domination. Remember, Castro did not believe in Communism until after he came to power. Maybe they're starting to realise that communism has served its purpose.

Military annexation of Cuba would set that back 50 years and further isolate the US from the rest of the world. You'd instantly make an enemies of China and the EU.

Is that really worth it for a small island nearby to you that poses NO threat to your security?

I had recently credited you with a degree of intelligence, but if the answer to the above question is YES then it would appear that I was wrong.

You want to "re-educate" the public? Brainwash them you mean.

Which is it you're at war with Walter? Is it Eurasia or Eastasia? I keep forgetting.

[bullfighter]

The end of the cold war didnt end the problem. To this day, Cuba has aided and abetted terrorists, hijackers, bank robbbers, communist intelligence agents, assasinations, North Koreans, Russian KGB, Arafat, Hussein, Bin Laden, dope runners, gun runners....you think that the end of the cold war solved all of your problems? These bastards live in our shadow....affect our National Security...torture their own people....undermined USA efforts on every occasion.

WHAT THE FUK ARE THEY STILL DOING FLYING THEIR FLAG UNDER OUR NOSE??? Invade them....destroy their government....execute their dictators....re-educate the public and bring peace and stability to that part of the zone. WE DONT NEED THEM HANGING OUT, AND GIVING OUR ENEMIES A REST STOP AND SAFE HAVEN WHILE THEY ARE OVER HERE UNDERMINING OUR NATION!!!

you seem like a very angry person,and it is blinding you to other options and ideas,i would hope you settle down ,i know it will not be from my comment,but try to understand we are all here trying to figure out the bullshit.i would think that cuba people like many other places need our support ,not our guns where we would kill as many as there gouvernment ,to bring them to what is questionable also...do you think all the innocent people our troops kill justifies anything...[then you should go give you life in the cause,you could go there]

[Loseirdo]

Well see... thats where your wrong... you arnt right... what i stated was MY opinion on the situation... it is my OPINION that bush will try to push and push cuba to change and they will push back... It is MY opinion. And may i remind you that you started by calling me an idiot... when in fact you have no idea... so being a bully does wonders for your credibility... and if you would have read my previous post you would have gotten the rest of my response.

Sorry to reach back into the thread, but...

You stated that the Cubans would be crying to our country if they were unhappy with theirs, but they aren't. I stated that the tens of thousands of Cuban immigrants that come into our country each year is proof that they are. You stated no opinion; you stated a crass generalization that was completely wrong. Sorry, but it seems you're the one who has no idea.

[Loseirdo]

What it basically boils down to Walter is that Cuba is slowly getting back on its feet.

Certain people in the US cant bear that happening without US help/interference.

They (you) need your ego's pampered by riding in on your white horse to scare all the nasty communists away.

The Cuban revolution was justified in its time to allow Cubans to be free of foreign domination. Remember, Castro did not believe in Communism until after he came to power. Maybe they're starting to realise that communism has served its purpose.

Military annexation of Cuba would set that back 50 years and further isolate the US from the rest of the world. You'd instantly make an enemies of China and the EU.

Is that really worth it for a small island nearby to you that poses NO threat to your security?

I had recently credited you with a degree of intelligence, but if the answer to the above question is YES then it would appear that I was wrong.

You want to "re-educate" the public? Brainwash them you mean.

Which is it you're at war with Walter? Is it Eurasia or Eastasia? I keep forgetting.

I like the 1984 reference.

Personally, I don't care how Cuba makes it to Democracy as long as they do. If we can help them, we should help them. If doing nothing would be more beneficial, we should do nothing. If they aren't making progress, we are obligated to help. That's what makes the most sense to me. I don't think we should take any huge steps yet. "In the game of Chess, you can never let your adversary see your pieces." -- Zapp Brannigan

[Walter Weiss]

What it basically boils down to Walter is that Cuba is slowly getting back on its feet.

Certain people in the US cant bear that happening without US help/interference.

They (you) need your ego's pampered by riding in on your white horse to scare all the nasty communists away.

The Cuban revolution was justified in its time to allow Cubans to be free of foreign domination. Remember, Castro did not believe in Communism until after he came to power. Maybe they're starting to realise that communism has served its purpose.

Military annexation of Cuba would set that back 50 years and further isolate the US from the rest of the world. You'd instantly make an enemies of China and the EU.

Is that really worth it for a small island nearby to you that poses NO threat to your security?

I had recently credited you with a degree of intelligence, but if the answer to the above question is YES then it would appear that I was wrong.

You want to "re-educate" the public? Brainwash them you mean.

Which is it you're at war with Walter? Is it Eurasia or Eastasia? I keep forgetting.

GET BACK ON THEIR FEET???? I dont know what they print in the papers or the history books where you come from...so very, very, far from Cuba, and so very, very, unaffected by Cuban incidents....but I certainly do know what it is they print here, so very close to the action. Let me ask you something my RED friend....how many Cubans floated across the English Channel on boards, just to get out of Cuba? NONE. How many Brits have gone into Cuba and liberated Cubans? NONE. How many incidents / conversations / or personal contacts have you had with Cubans? NONE. You know nothing. You theorize your ass off.

Do you know how many times Cuba has been helped back on it's feet? Do you know how many times they have fallen on their ass with drug dealing, gun running, torture, commie ass kissing in Moscow, borrowing Mexican labor and Mexican mercenaries, pertro chemicals, pharmaceuticals, surgeons, toxicologists, food and crop experts, economists.....you are out of your mind if you think they are getting back on their feet. Do you know how many times in just the last 20 years they have facilitated terrorists, anarchists, agents, subversives, etc, etc, etc. Do you know how many people have had their skin branded with hot iron...how many have had nails driven into their hands and feet, how many have had their fingernails ripped out with a pair of pliers while wearing handcuffs, carbonated beverates poured up their noses with plastic tubes, eyes burned out with cigars.....

You have to be one goofy mother fkkr to look upon the Castro regime with any admiration at all. Castro and his associates are whores that go to the highest bidder....they take fees to hide terrorists and subversives. They even participated in communist terror plots against Mexico, hid criminals from the police in Europe, America, and a dozen other countries. These are not leaders of the masses or even representatives of the masses. These are "self made criminal kings" exploiting their own people. They have had every chance to make something worthy of their nation....instead, they have denied their own people commerce, education, human rights, etc, etc, and the list goes on and on. These are dictators.....communist dictators....trouble...unethical....viscious....ru de....crude....dangerous people....little more than carribean dope dealers.....and you look upon them with admiration? Even Moscow doesnt particularly admire them though they use them.

You are definitely the kind of guy that sits around and screams PEACE while a dictator shoves a broom handle up your back side, and asks you how much farther you want him to shove it. It is this mentallity that has brought wars and famine to this planet, because you are too squeamish to liberate those people and destroy the aggressors and oppressors in this world! You become more passive....they become more aggressive....and you find excuses for liking them!

The Cuban public needs re-educated in that they need more exposure to LIFE and the fact that their lives dont have to be this hard...they dont have to be prisoners! THERE IS FREEDOM out there in the world. THERE IS DEMOCRACY OUT THERE IN THE WORLD....THERE IS COMMERCE....THERE ARE DOCTORS...NURSES....STORES....FOOD....MEDICINES... ..UNIVERSITIES.....

What the fuk do you offer them? Excuses to be exploited and oppressed?

Cuba is a cancer to world peace....nothing more than that. It is not a Nation that one can look to for any greate examples of humanity and peace. Only examples of torture, oppression, exploitation, and barbarous cruelty!

[Walter Weiss]

you seem like a very angry person,and it is blinding you to other options and ideas,i would hope you settle down ,i know it will not be from my comment,but try to understand we are all here trying to figure out the bullshit.i would think that cuba people like many other places need our support ,not our guns where we would kill as many as there gouvernment ,to bring them to what is questionable also...do you think all the innocent people our troops kill justifies anything...[then you should go give you life in the cause,you could go there]

I HAVE dedicated my life to the suppression of the criminal element, and I HAVE served my country honorably in the military.

I RESENT any asshole advancing the cause of the liberal or the cause of communism! Especially when it is on our very doorstep!

We have a military.....lets USE IT for it's intended purpose, and TO HELL with all the daisy wavers! If you want to stop what is going on in Cuba...and other places around the world...today, and NOW...then send in the military and destroy the problem at it's very root! Take the oppressors off of the backs of the Cuban people...permanently!

[Loseirdo]

I HAVE dedicated my life to the suppression of the criminal element, and I HAVE served my country honorably in the military.

I RESENT any asshole advancing the cause of the liberal or the cause of communism! Especially when it is on our very doorstep!

We have a military.....lets USE IT for it's intended purpose, and TO HELL with all the daisy wavers! If you want to stop what is going on in Cuba...and other places around the world...today, and NOW...then send in the military and destroy the problem at it's very root! Take the oppressors off of the backs of the Cuban people...permanently!

I admire your enthusiasm, Walter, but the situation is more delicate than that. If we aren't careful, we will have a full-blown war on our hands. I don't want to be responsible for World War III. If we can carefully guide the Cubans to Democracy instead of forcing it on them, I think that would have a much greater payoff in the end.

Don't worry, I fully support our military presence in the Middle-East. We really didn't have much of a choice with Bin Laden and Hussein.

[bullfighter]

[QUOTE=Walter Weiss;40293]I HAVE dedicated my life to the suppression of the criminal element, and I HAVE served my country honorably in the military.

I RESENT any asshole advancing the cause of the liberali am not a liberalor the cause of communism[or communist]! Especially when it is on our very doorstep!

We have a military.....lets USE IT for it's intended purpose[to protect ], and TO HELL with all the daisy wavers![i eat daisys they are good for your kidneys] If you want to stop what is going on in Cuba...and other places around the world...today, and NOW...then send in the military and destroy the problem at it's very root[there is a better way]the way of moses is over]! Take the oppressors off of the backs of the Cuban people.[you are right there are oppressors everywhere]..permanently[others will show up then you become the oppressor ]WERE YOU IN VIETNAM!THAT WOULD EXPLANE YOUR ANGER,DID YOU GO TO WAR IN IRAC IN 94 THAT WOULD EXPLANE YOUR JUSTIFYING THIS REDICULOUS NATURE..WE CAN NOT GO AROUND THE WORLD KILLING EVERYONE......TRY BRINGING OUR OWN LEADERS AND COORPERATE CRIMINALS TO JAIL

[WhiteRaven]

I say we just mind our own business. Why exactly do we have to be the world's babysitters?

[Walter Weiss]

[QUOTE=Walter Weiss;40293]I HAVE dedicated my life to the suppression of the criminal element, and I HAVE served my country honorably in the military.

I RESENT any asshole advancing the cause of the liberali am not a liberalor the cause of communism[or communist]! Especially when it is on our very doorstep!

We have a military.....lets USE IT for it's intended purpose[to protect ], and TO HELL with all the daisy wavers![i eat daisys they are good for your kidneys] If you want to stop what is going on in Cuba...and other places around the world...today, and NOW...then send in the military and destroy the problem at it's very root[there is a better way]the way of moses is over]! Take the oppressors off of the backs of the Cuban people.[you are right there are oppressors everywhere]..permanently[others will show up then you become the oppressor ]WERE YOU IN VIETNAM!THAT WOULD EXPLANE YOUR ANGER,DID YOU GO TO WAR IN IRAC IN 94 THAT WOULD EXPLANE YOUR JUSTIFYING THIS REDICULOUS NATURE..WE CAN NOT GO AROUND THE WORLD KILLING EVERYONE......TRY BRINGING OUR OWN LEADERS AND COORPERATE CRIMINALS TO JAIL

Hey Moron....people like you are the reason that there are oppressors in the first place. It takes a noble hearted masculine man with a sharp sword to win the peace, and to keep the peace. Anything else is just pissing in the wind.

[Loseirdo]

I say we just mind our own business. Why exactly do we have to be the world's babysitters?

We don't, necessarily. However, we are obligated to put an end to anything that might be harmful to ourselves or other nations as soon as possible. Attempting to destroy large terrorist insurgencies and replace a cruel dictatorship with democracy brings us one HUGE step closer to global peace. Despite what the hate-mongering liberals would like you to believe, that is the true intention of war. The only reason we fight is because there are no other paths to peace.

[Walter Weiss]

I say we just mind our own business. Why exactly do we have to be the world's babysitters?

OK....world peace is based on foreign trade, international agreements, exchange of influences and cultures, sharing of sciences, education, arts, techologies, medicine, foodstuffs, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I will also add that the world's economy is based upon foreign trade. There is no such thing as "mind your own business" and isolating yourself from the rest of the world.

The perils of the world are dictators, unsophisticated assholes who have wormed their way into the power structure and threatened us all with terrorism, nuke attacks, assaults on the economy, bio-agents, subversion and everything else.

You can practice your "be a hillbilly up a holler in a cabin" theories on your own...never advancing in technology or military, and you can sit back on your ass and wait for threats to grow like a cancer until they are too large to effectively deal with....they will certainly out-grow you quickly....grow beyond your capabilities very quickly. OR....you can roll with the times, and seek out and neutralize threats and protect your Nation and that of your allies against the assholes of the world, so that men, women and children can live free, and in relative peace and safety while they participate in world commerce.

There is no "mind-your-own-business" methods possible in today's world. That is dangerous, and sure to start a war of armed conquest....most assuredly. PEACE COMES FROM STRENGTH AND THE WILLINGNESS TO USE ONE'S MILITARY TO PROTECT ONE'S INTERESTS ON THIS PLANET....THAT IS ALL THAT THERE IS!

[General Septem]

Attempting to destroy large terrorist insurgencies and replace a cruel dictatorship with democracy brings us one HUGE step closer to global peace.

Peace is a lie. The Bible says so itself. True peace is unattainable until Christ returns.

[Loseirdo]

Peace is a lie. The Bible says so itself. True peace is unattainable until Christ returns.

I never said global peace was attainable. I simply said that we are making strides towards it. Some peace is better than no peace, ne?

[Walter Weiss]

Peace is a lie. The Bible says so itself. True peace is unattainable until Christ returns.


Already been here and gone. You are left behind. If you want to kneel down in front of your enemies and swear submission in the name of your GOD, then go right ahead. Dont be surprised if you find there are very few people knoeeling before enemies because they think peace is impossible. PEACE IS ATTAINABLE.....IF YOU ARE WILLING TO WIN THAT PEACE AND MATAIN IT!

[Walter Weiss]

I never said global peace was attainable. I simply said that we are making strides towards it. Some peace is better than no peace, ne?

Strides? Can you give examples?

[General Septem]

Already been here and gone. You are left behind. If you want to kneel down in front of your enemies and swear submission in the name of your GOD, then go right ahead. Dont be surprised if you find there are very few people knoeeling before enemies because they think peace is impossible. PEACE IS ATTAINABLE.....IF YOU ARE WILLING TO WIN THAT PEACE AND MATAIN IT!

Don't misunderstand. I think war is both necessary and often desirable, but not for the cause of peace. War has always been a driving force in societal progression.

Interestingly, America has never technically been at war with anyone since WWII.

[bullfighter]

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so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say..who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword...why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving

[Loseirdo]

Strides? Can you give examples?

Helping the Iraqis institute a democracy and subduing terrorist regimes that exist only to hate and destroy.

[Loseirdo]

Don't misunderstand. I think war is both necessary and often desirable, but not for the cause of peace. War has always been a driving force in societal progression.

Interestingly, America has never technically been at war with anyone since WWII.

There are only two reasons to wage war:

1. To destroy and conquer.
2. To defend and pacify.

America has never waged war on anyone for the first cause. We only kill when there are no alternatives to peace.

Peace can be and often is a result of war. Anyone who says differently is too young or immature to know better.

[Walter Weiss]

There are only two reasons to wage war:

1. To destroy and conquer.
2. To defend and pacify.

America has never waged war on anyone for the first cause. We only kill when there are no alternatives to peace.

Peace can be and often is a result of war. Anyone who says differently is too young or immature to know better.

What you say is not entirely accurate....there have been out of control militiary acts perpetrated by America on rare occasions....mostly non-sanctioned acts committed in the field by renegade command personnel acting independant of Washington.

No Nation on this Earth will ever be found to be more just than the USA. No country on this Earth outside of America ever operated on a policy of "give me your tired, your poor and your huddled masses."

I have more reasons for war....

3. To evict and expel an invading force from the land of an ally
4. To purge undesirable elements in one's own homeland...purge need not mean genocide or executions either....it can mean arrest and expel!
5. To recover and arrest a criminal regime remnant seeking political sanctuary behind the army of another.
6. To stop the spread of communism.
7. To dismantle criminal governments, and return the throne to the people!
8. To prevent pollutants from being disharged into natural resources.
9. To dismantle a bullshit religious fanaticism before it spreads globally.
10. To prevent a nuclear weapon from being fired at another.
11. To remove an unwanted political influence from a particular zone so that a change of government can take place.

WAR effects immediate change. It liberates the oppressed. It removes criminal governments from power. It secures and protects and defends. WAR causes PEACE. PEACE is enforced through war powers. WAR CAN BE AN INSTRUMENT FOR GREAT GOOD! A bunch of pacifist freaks serve only to get their own Nation conquered!

WAR is not always the desired course, but it is often a correct course and an efficient course! The world is a war-like place, and you wont make it in the world as a Nation unless you are skilled in the arts of war, and not afraid to wage war in the interest of your nation. Daisies dont make peace....war does!

[Walter Weiss]

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so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say..who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword...why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving[/QUOTE]

HEY MORON...no one advocated going around the world and killing everyone....you have dictators and communists that are out there doing it right now, but you sure as hell wont do anything about it. With someone like you making decisions in Washington, we would have already been conquered.

WW-2.....56 million people lost their lives in WW-2 because a bunch of pacifist scum would not make a stand, and the enemy Nations grew so powerful on their agenda of World conquest before anyone ever got around to doing anything about it. That is what your politics breeds.....major wars.

When threats and irritations are eliminated militarily while they are still relatively small, then there are no major wars to have to fight. To maintain that peace among Nations, it takes a strong military in the hands of noble and honorable men who are not afraid to swing that sword to maintain that peace.

While you sit around sucking on your marihuana pipe, playing the pacifist, there are people out there that want to take your homeland and cut your stupid head off. They dont want to hear your peace garbage....they will just as soon cut your head off anyway! You would not have to fear them if you would remove those threats as soon as they crop up....not wait until they have amassed millions of weapons and millions of soldiers! That is the stupidest thing anyone can do!

Your kind always gets someone killed!

[WhiteRaven]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be an isolationist here, it's just that often it seems like we're wasting resources to fight wars that aren't really necessary, or even reasonable at the time.

"so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say.."

Good idea, if someone threatens to blow up America just ignore them and they will go away eventually, or they might blow us up, but that's no reason to attack them, right?

"who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword..."

Uh... we didn't use a big sword against the Japanese, we used an atomic bomb.

"why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving"

You want me to be a hitman?

[bullfighter]

while you know that war will allways be,there will be allways two mad dogs wanting to fight,,and they like you think your way is worth killing for...once they let people like you loose many people die for many reasons..and the worst of it you don;t care who gets in the way WOMAN CHILDREN.... take your sword and go kill or teach some young youth to kill you are the commy here making everyone your enemy then when they say fuck you then you got reason to kill...maybe you should smoke a joint and get off your high fuckin commy horse[

just listen to yourself talk
When threats and irritations are eliminated militarily while they are still relatively small, then there are no major wars to have to fight. To maintain that peace among Nations, it takes a strong military in the hands of noble and honorable men who are not afraid to swing that sword to maintain that peace.
...........the following is true also ...so kill or be killed ..that is your defence..
. They dont want to hear your peace garbage....they will just as soon cut your head off anyway! You would not have to fear them if you would remove those threats as soon as they crop up....not wait until they have amassed millions of weapons and millions of soldiers! That is the stupidest thing anyone can do!
[[[[all kinds get someone killed you moron]]]]]
your kind always gets someone killed![/QUOTE]

[WhiteRaven]

Bullfighter, you don't negotiate in war. You blow each other up in war. Negotiating doesn't really ever solve anything.

[Walter Weiss]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be an isolationist here, it's just that often it seems like we're wasting resources to fight wars that aren't really necessary, or even reasonable at the time.

"so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say.."

Good idea, if someone threatens to blow up America just ignore them and they will go away eventually, or they might blow us up, but that's no reason to attack them, right?

"who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword..."

Uh... we didn't use a big sword against the Japanese, we used an atomic bomb.

"why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving"

You want me to be a hitman?

You have to be nuts or smoking something....WW-2....pacifist policies ignored every signal and indicator that the emperor's armies were hell bent on armed conquest. They grew and grew and grew, while fruitcakes turned a blind eye. Before they ever got around to attacking America, they had taken Manchuria, the North China plain, Indochina, most all the Islands....etc....etc...etc....when they could have been stopped militarily, in less than a month, at the first sign of aggression. Instead, the pacifists sat on their asses until they got attacked, and millions died in the Asian theatre.

WW-2....Europe....Middle East....Eastern Europe.....all of it went down under the nazi yoke, when it should have been stopped at Munich. Some fruitcake like you handled the negotiation....next thing you know, we are in the middle of a massive war that could have been a tiny war.

You hold yourself in some sort of higher moral position. You naturally are arrogant enough to think that everyone ougth to think like you....well they dont....aggressors dont want to hear your peace garbage...they want to conquer. If we adopted your bullshit politics, we would all be conquered right now.

The organizing principal of any society is for WAR. The power of any government resides in it's war powers....not in it's marihuana plants. You would sit on your ass....trying to act moral....trying to play peace bigot....while a growing enemy overwhelms millions of innocents. That is the fruit of your politics.

If you want peace....you have to be strong enough to maintain that peace. Peace is won and kept through the sword. When it is not...innocents are not protected...they are slaughtered by an un-checked aggressor!

[Walter Weiss]

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so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say..who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword...why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving[/QUOTE]

Have you totally lost your mind? No one advocated "going around the world killing anyone that is not like us" and the USA has never done that.

What if your little Jesus decides not to come back? What if your little Jesus has already been here and left...leaving you behind because you are an idiot? What if your little Jesus does not really exist? Do you propose to sit on your ass staring at the sky, waiting for Jesus to solve you problems for you? An aggressor would rather you do just that!

If you pulled your head out of your ass, you would realize that the reason you are sitting here blogging right now, is because a military action was conducted to remove an aggressor and establish a nation! People died to establish your homeland for YOU! And yet, you would hand it all over to an enemy in a heartbeat....because you are too weak [by choice] to maintain your own nation's safety, in the presence of an aggressor.

Recipe for either conquering or reducing the strength of any Nation:

1. Create a peacenik movement through disinformation campaigns.
2. Tell any idiot that habitually denounces the government that he is morally correct.
3. Inject your intelligence agents into the universities in order to perpetuate riots and disturbance through disinformation and to create large groups of people that are against their own government.
4. Preach disarmanent until the nation to be conquered stupidly throws away it's most dangerous arms.
5. Preach isolationism to the masses intended to be conquered.
6. Encourage dickheads like you to speak out against protecting their own nation!
7. Merely strike at this point!

[bullfighter]

first of all u.s has always killed because people are not like us,you must be suffering from some quilt,or you would not be up holding this crap..secound i am not concerned who is right or wrong you think calateral damage is all fair,well i till you you fuck the woman and children dying in horrible ways have the right to live the same as thos people in 9/11 that you try to say JUSTIFIES your right to go kill,irac was not a threat to us and if they were thinking of it prove it ,there are many places that hate the states ,and you want to go and dictate your truth and kill ,you are not a moron you are sick and need help...i never said anything about defending outselfs is wrong.AND MY LITTLE JESUS WILL RETURN BECAUSE IT MAKES TOTAL SENCE TO THIS HUMAN FUCKED UP CONDITION[AND AND MY FATHER SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE MILATARY AND STILL IS IN A RETIRED INFLUANCE...SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT KILLING KILLING IS NOT
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so there is no use us going around the world killing everyone that is not like us.and because they scare us some officials say..who has attacked us besides the japs in the fear of when they thought we was going to invade them....so heres to the ww[world war] in ww,s mind. big man with the big sword...why don;t you go join some mercenary group to save some one that needs saving

Have you totally lost your mind? No one advocated "going around the world killing anyone that is not like us" and the USA has never done that.

What if your little Jesus decides not to come back? What if your little Jesus has already been here and left...leaving you behind because you are an idiot? What if your little Jesus does not really exist? Do you propose to sit on your ass staring at the sky, waiting for Jesus to solve you problems for you? An aggressor would rather you do just that!

If you pulled your head out of your ass, you would realize that the reason you are sitting here blogging right now, is because a military action was conducted to remove an aggressor and establish a nation! People died to establish your homeland for YOU! And yet, you would hand it all over to an enemy in a heartbeat....because you are too weak [by choice] to maintain your own nation's safety, in the presence of an aggressor.

Recipe for either conquering or reducing the strength of any Nation:

1. Create a peacenik movement through disinformation campaigns.
2. Tell any idiot that habitually denounces the government that he is morally correct.
3. Inject your intelligence agents into the universities in order to perpetuate riots and disturbance through disinformation and to create large groups of people that are against their own government.
4. Preach disarmanent until the nation to be conquered stupidly throws away it's most dangerous arms.
5. Preach isolationism to the masses intended to be conquered.
6. Encourage dickheads like you to speak out against protecting their own nation!
7. Merely strike at this point![/QUOTE]

[Walter Weiss]

[QUOTE=bullfighter;40443]first of all u.s has always killed because people are not like us,you must be suffering from some quilt,or you would not be up holding this crap..secound i am not concerned who is right or wrong you think calateral damage is all fair,well i till you you fuck the woman and children dying in horrible ways have the right to live the same as thos people in 9/11 that you try to say JUSTIFIES your right to go kill,irac was not a threat to us and if they were thinking of it prove it ,there are many places that hate the states ,and you want to go and dictate your truth and kill ,you are not a moron you are sick and need help...i never said anything about defending outselfs is wrong.AND MY LITTLE JESUS WILL RETURN BECAUSE IT MAKES TOTAL SENCE TO THIS HUMAN FUCKED UP CONDITION[AND AND MY FATHER SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE MILATARY AND STILL IS IN A RETIRED INFLUANCE...SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT KILLING KILLING IS NOT

WALTER WEISS RESPONDS IN NON-COMMUNIST COLORS:

Kind Sir; It is good that you do not approve of killing. I dont approve of killing. The American Nation does not approve of killing. BUT ANY NATION RUN BY COMMON SENSE WILL NOT HESITATE TO SEND IT's MILITARY INTO ACTION TO DEFEND THAT NATION OR ONE OF IT'S ALLIES!

It is because that there are morons in the world that have wormed their way into the power structure that a military must be strong, swift, well armed, and operated by men who will not hesitate to lead it into battle on the attack, for without this, there is no peace, no deterrence to a moronic aggressor, and without a military you are sending an open invitation to the morons of the world to come into your country and enslave your public, destroy your way of life, and murder and kill all who are not needed. Just 17 years before my birth, in at least one country and it's protectorates, it was legal to take the life of (1) the insane; (2) of certain minority races; (3) of the afflicted deemed to have genetic flaws; (4) of anyone perceived to be non-comformist! FURTHERMORE it was legal in that society to commit any political prisoner to slave labor and work that prisoner until the prisoner expired. WAR became an absolute necessity to remove that criminal government from the face of the Earth....and it existed in the first place because of the ridiculous handling of the situation when that criminal government was in an embryonic state. Handled by someone like you, that criminal government would still be raging across the face of the Earth today, stronger than anything that could be imagined....gobbling up the little stupid peaceniks of the world that screamed for peace, but had not the balls to create it by removing the aggressors that were causing the problems in the first place.

A Nation...a very noble Nation....once peopled by some of the most noble men and women that the world had ever seen....stepped up to the plate, and said: "We will not tolerate the globalization of the third Reich and it's policies, and that Nation committed to WAR...and it committed to the rebuilding in the aftermath of the war. That Nation...that noble Nation....protector of the weak...is the United States of America. There is no better Nation on the face of the planet, for it was created by those who had been oppressed by the criminal acts of the English government long ago. Today we enjoy a new England, an admirable England, an England that we have learned so much from. Today, as a result of the work of the United States government and it's warriors and allies, more than half of the planet advanced it's standard of living for it's people, very rapidly. The USA has always stood for the creation of peace, and it has kept a sharp sword to guarantee that it will always maintain that peace.....that is until a bunch of morons operating on your style of policy invaded Washington through the Demorat party and became too personally weak minded to maintain that peace. The aggressors...the Hitler types....they began operating without fear once again on the face of the planet....how they loved to have their asses kissed by peacenik liberal morons who are afraid to stop a dictatorship and the oppression that springs forth from it! That is why dictatorships grow....because peaceniks allow them to grow and oppress "in the name of peace." The Peacenik is the enabler of the Dictator.

The true promoter of Peace is he who stands ready to strike down the oppressor and to save the oppressed. Not he who stands idly by ignoring the aggressor!

[Walter Weiss]

first of all u.s has always killed because people are not like us,you must be suffering from some quilt,or you would not be up holding this crap..secound i am not concerned who is right or wrong you think calateral damage is all fair,well i till you you fuck the woman and children dying in horrible ways have the right to live the same as thos people in 9/11 that you try to say JUSTIFIES your right to go kill,irac was not a threat to us and if they were thinking of it prove it ,there are many places that hate the states ,and you want to go and dictate your truth and kill ,you are not a moron you are sick and need help...i never said anything about defending outselfs is wrong.AND MY LITTLE JESUS WILL RETURN BECAUSE IT MAKES TOTAL SENCE TO THIS HUMAN FUCKED UP CONDITION[AND AND MY FATHER SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE MILATARY AND STILL IS IN A RETIRED INFLUANCE...SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT KILLING KILLING IS NOT

WALTER WEISS RESPONDS AGAIN: You have your little Jesus because soldiers died on the battlefield to guarantee your right to have your little Jesus. Iraq was the fourth largest military in the world...run by a criminal dictator...committed to the destruction of the middle east, and to America and her allies. They werre already testing chemical weapons on their own Kurdish subjects just to see what those weapons would do. When they invaded Kuwait city, they went around shooting anyone that refused to put an Iraqi license plate on a car. One troop of Iraqi soldiers hurled babies out of hospital windows and took the hospital equipment used to sustain those babies, and took the hospital equipment and sold it on the black market. Iraq is not the innocent victim you make them out to be. They existed because people like you allowed them to exist, and with that existance, they murdered, tortured, plotted, schemed, beat, starved, and enslaved....and what manner of horrible things to man kind. Dont cry for Saddam Hussein....he would not have cried for you....he would merely have cut your head off and played volleyball with it.

[Walter Weiss]

BULLFIGHTER WROTE: first of all u.s has always killed because people are not like us,you must be suffering from some quilt,or you would not be up holding this crap..secound i am not concerned who is right or wrong you think calateral damage is all fair,well i till you you fuck the woman and children dying in horrible ways have the right to live the same as thos people in 9/11 that you try to say JUSTIFIES your right to go kill,irac was not a threat to us and if they were thinking of it prove it ,there are many places that hate the states ,and you want to go and dictate your truth and kill ,you are not a moron you are sick and need help...i never said anything about defending outselfs is wrong.AND MY LITTLE JESUS WILL RETURN BECAUSE IT MAKES TOTAL SENCE TO THIS HUMAN FUCKED UP CONDITION[AND AND MY FATHER SPENT 40 YEARS IN THE MILATARY AND STILL IS IN A RETIRED INFLUANCE...SO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT KILLING KILLING IS NOT

WALTER WEISS RESPONDS YET AGAIN: I will tell you something else. Your accusation that USA kills people because they are different is a stupid one, without common sense or decency, and your false accusation breaks the rules of your Jesus and the commandments carried forth by Moses! The USA is peopled by Europeans, Hispanics, American Indians, Asian Indians, Arabs, Palestinians, Africans, Asians, Islanders, hell we even have dogs, cats, gold fish, little kids, flowers and vegetables, hot peppers and mild peppers.....all these people and all of these things are diverse and different, and right here in our own backyard....and we have not gone around killing or mutilating any of it because it is "different" as you put it! Religiously, the USA consists of every single religion on the face of this Earth, with laws in place to guarantee that each person is free to study and practice all of those religions! No one is going around here killing anyone because they are different!

OPEN YOUR EYES MR....look around, there is a whole America out there, and it belongs TO YOU if you want it. We welcome you....you can vote, you can run for Mayor or President, or City Council....you can be whatever you feel like being here.......try to do that in Iraq!

[bullfighter]

i have seen kill happy people like you ,i pray ,not enough for you
BULLFIGHTER diverse and different, and right here in our own backyard....and we have not gone around killing or mutilating any of it because it is "different" if you study your recend history not only the hundred year old history you will see there have been terriable killing in this country because people is different ,go take a study..where have you been for your life up bushes assas you put it! Religiously, the USA consists of every single religion on the face of this Earth, with laws in place to guarantee that each person is free to studyyes that is true and practice all of those religions! No one is going around here killing anyone because they are different!bullshit

OPEN YOUR EYES MR....look around, there is a whole America out there, and it belongs TO YOU if you want it. We welcome you....you can vote,fuck voteing system you can run for Mayoryes or President,they put who they need in there or City Council....you can be whatever you feel like being here.mostly true but limited......try to do that in Iraq!so they are fucked in some ways ,does not mean you go a kill there woman and children ,and that is what you are doing,stop lying to yourself

[Walter Weiss]

i have seen kill happy people like you ,i pray ,not enough for you


Your English needs some work....that is OK...it is understandable. HOWEVER...above, you have inserted phrases that indicate you mean to say "fuck voting" and I want to know if I am to understand that this means you dont believe that people should be allowed to VOTE? Are you a communist? Are you a lover of dictatorships? Would you rob your fellow man of his right to vote?

What are you? Some kind of terrorist? Your psych profile suggests you would kill a bus full of innocent people over politics. Me, I would only fire on combatants, at the order of my military, in a lawful military action.

What are you?

[bullfighter]

i think voting is the best thing to do,i just think its rigged.but that is only a thought
Your English needs some work....that is OK...it is understandable. HOWEVER...above, you have inserted phrases that indicate you mean to say "fuck voting" and I want to know if I am to understand that this means you dont believe that people should be allowed to VOTE? Are you a communist? no i am not ,but there is worst things on this earth Are you a lover of dictatorshipsno but it sounds like you are? Would you rob your fellow man of his right to vote?no i would not,i would like to have more word skills to explane better.

What are you?a man that seen to much in crime and pain,heard to many children crying and dying ,seen woman stabbed hurt badly .seen the boys come home from nam,seen they never have a life after .seen the sins of man kind......a man that loves life ,thankfull for where we are ,marvel at the creativity of man kind.love my woman my children.i like to work ,play and sing, Some kind of terrorist? ino Your psych profile suggests you would kill a bus full of innocent people over politicsbullshit. Me, I would only fire on combatants, at the order of my military,but are willing to kill woman and children if they get in the way in a lawful military action.

What are you?just me ,i hope for good and not afraid of standing up.guns or swords do not worry me.but i see the delima comming..thats all who are you ,besides a man that wants to believe in something thats false...i think you have lived in honour ,

[Walter Weiss]

i think voting is the best thing to do,i just think its rigged.but that is only a thoughtjust me ,i hope for good and not afraid of standing up.guns or swords do not worry me.but i see the delima comming..thats all who are you ,besides a man that wants to believe in something thats false...i think you have lived in honour ,

As long as there is GREED and lust for POWER.....innocent people are going to need a good strong swordsman to defend them from becoming victims. Remember that. GREED and lust for POWER will never, ever, vanish from this planet. It is a fact that it is becoming WORSE and not better out there. Dont be afraid to strike down the aggressor who would trample upon the rights of innocents! For the innocents have no one to protect them except for the noble and the honorable that are strong enough and brave enough to protect them. THE PEACENIK is a product of an enemy disinformation campaign, designed to remove the strong and the honorable protectors from the military and from the government, in order to make the innocents defenseless so that they can be easily conquered.

If you are truly for PEACE then you have to be ready to go to war to defend innocents. I COULD NEVER FACE MY SON if I stood idly by and allowed someone to be victimized in the street before my very eyes. I will ALWAYS rise up and protect a weaker being from harm....especially a child! And I shall do so honestly and honorably! WAR IS AN HONORABLE OPTION to protect others!

[bullfighter]

As long as there is GREED and lust for POWER.....innocent people are going to need a good strong swordsman to defend them from becoming victims. Remember that. GREED and lust for POWER will never, ever, vanish from this planet. It is a fact that it is becoming WORSE and not better out there. Dont be afraid to strike down the aggressor who would trample upon the rights of innocents! For the innocents have no one to protect them except for the noble and the honorable that are strong enough and brave enough to protect them. THE PEACENIK is a product of an enemy disinformation campaign, designed to remove the strong and the honorable protectors from the military and from the government, in order to make the innocents defenseless so that they can be easily conquered.

If you are truly for PEACE then you have to be ready to go to war to defend innocents. I COULD NEVER FACE MY SON if I stood idly by and allowed someone to be victimized in the street before my very eyes. I will ALWAYS rise up and protect a weaker being from harm....especially a child! And I shall do so honestly and honorably! WAR IS AN HONORABLE OPTION to protect others!I KNOW THAT,

i beleive these last things you say..there are many armies out there full of men that believe they are in honour also ..look at the japs,i been on there bases,i seen the honour they stand for...its the political manipulation that does the greater evil..that i am aware of...to stand and fight take a bullet,never has been my fear..its the innocent that die in the way ,that make me bitter..i still feel and not dead in my heart

[WhiteRaven]

"You have to be nuts or smoking something....WW-2....pacifist policies ignored every signal and indicator that the emperor's armies were hell bent on armed conquest. They grew and grew and grew, while fruitcakes turned a blind eye."

So far we agree.

"Before they ever got around to attacking America, they had taken Manchuria, the North China plain, Indochina, most all the Islands....etc....etc...etc....when they could have been stopped militarily, in less than a month, at the first sign of aggression."

This is also true.

"Instead, the pacifists sat on their asses until they got attacked, and millions died in the Asian theatre."

Yes, and they should have fought back.

"WW-2....Europe....Middle East....Eastern Europe.....all of it went down under the nazi yoke, when it should have been stopped at Munich. Some fruitcake like you handled the negotiation....next thing you know, we are in the middle of a massive war that could have been a tiny war."

I don't disagree, but I still think a lot of our recent wars could have been better planned, not that my opinion holds much weight, considering my utter lack of military experience, yet I'm not the only one who feels this way.

"You hold yourself in some sort of higher moral position."

How could I hold myself in a higher moral position when I don't really even believe in morals.

"You naturally are arrogant enough to think that everyone ougth to think like you...."

Actually, I think everyone ought to think however they feel like thinking, and then when there is a huge dispute, they either agree to disagree or beat the shit out of each other.

"well they dont....aggressors dont want to hear your peace garbage...they want to conquer. If we adopted your bullshit politics, we would all be conquered right now."

I never said we should just lie back and let them conquer us.

"The organizing principal of any society is for WAR. The power of any government resides in it's war powers....not in it's marihuana plants."

Again, you state a fact I already agree with.

"You would sit on your ass....trying to act moral....trying to play peace bigot...."

I do not try to act "moral" Nor do I try to act "Immoral", I only act like myself.

"while a growing enemy overwhelms millions of innocents. That is the fruit of your politics."

No. Again I just think most recent wars were planned poorly.

"If you want peace....you have to be strong enough to maintain that peace. Peace is won and kept through the sword. When it is not...innocents are not protected...they are slaughtered by an un-checked aggressor!"

Yep. It seems the only disagreement we are having is over how well our wars have been planned. I think we can agree that we were better at war when we declared our independence. We won with ill equipped soldiers against the most powerful navy in the world, at the time. Now we can't even get Iraq under control.

[Walter Weiss]

WALTER WROTE: "You hold yourself in some sort of higher moral position."

WHITE RAVEN REPLIED: How could I hold myself in a higher moral position when I don't really even believe in morals.

WALTER WROTE: "You naturally are arrogant enough to think that everyone ougth to think like you...."

WHITE RAVEN REPLIED: Actually, I think everyone ought to think however they feel like thinking, and then when there is a huge dispute, they either agree to disagree or beat the shit out of each other.

WALTER WROTE: "well they dont....aggressors dont want to hear your peace garbage...they want to conquer. If we adopted your bullshit politics, we would all be conquered right now."

WHITE RAVEN REPLIED: I never said we should just lie back and let them conquer us.

WALTER RESPONDS: Then what do you proposed to do? Sit around and smoke a joint with them and wait for them to let you go? You will be conquered! Is that what you want? What good are you conquered?

WALTER WROTE: "You would sit on your ass....trying to act moral....trying to play peace bigot...."

WHITE RAVEN RESPONDS: I do not try to act "moral" Nor do I try to act "Immoral", I only act like myself.

WALTER RESPONDS: Well, you dont believe in morals....then is that the same as saying you dont believe in honor, and that you dont believe a problem is yours until it happens to your personally and to hell with everyone else? Is that what you mean, or am I wrong on that?

WHITE RAVEN WROTE: No. Again I just think most recent wars were planned poorly.

WALTER RESPONDS: But you have said that you have no military experience....how would you know how to plan a war, or what made a well planned war? You are only able to respond to the propaganda you are fed....like a sheep.

WHITE RAVEN WROTE: Yep. It seems the only disagreement we are having is over how well our wars have been planned. I think we can agree that we were better at war when we declared our independence. We won with ill equipped soldiers against the most powerful navy in the world, at the time. Now we can't even get Iraq under control.

WALTER RESPONDS: Most of that war was fought as infantry, on terrain thousands of miles from the British supply point, on grounds that mostly Americans were familiar with. Supply was a continual problem for the Brit....and guerilla war tactics were encountered by the Brit for the first time. Much of the Naval success consisted of setting fire to ships that docked in harbor ot prevent them from re-supplying. The Masonic order had much to do with winning that war...everyone that signed the declaration of Independance was a member of the Masonic order, and so were most all of the British officers and Non-coms. The reason Iraq cannot be brought under control is a lack of troops, and this is due to Demorat manuvering....they use the war for their own sordid politics...bastard pieces of shit all of them. They are a treasonist bunch of scoundrels worthy of being arrested and tried for treasonist acts against this Nation!

[England Expects]

The reason Iraq cannot be brought under control is that the US government doesn't want it under "control".

If it was under control, they wouldn't be able to justify the 14 permanent bases they are building there.

They don't want a strong, independent government because if they had, they'd more than likely nationalise the oil fields and take their oil revenues back (the US is currently splitting the revenue 80/20 with the iraqi's, in the US' favour of course.

Currently there are 82 oil fields in Iraq, worth an estimated $30 trillion. How many are under Iraqi control do you think?? Answer....17.

The more I learn about George Bush, the more I realise that this guy is no moron, he's a fucking genius. Pure evil and a liar, but a genius none the less.

[Walter Weiss]

The reason Iraq cannot be brought under control is that the US government doesn't want it under "control".

If it was under control, they wouldn't be able to justify the 14 permanent bases they are building there.

They don't want a strong, independent government because if they had, they'd more than likely nationalise the oil fields and take their oil revenues back (the US is currently splitting the revenue 80/20 with the iraqi's, in the US' favour of course.

Currently there are 82 oil fields in Iraq, worth an estimated $30 trillion. How many are under Iraqi control do you think?? Answer....17.

The more I learn about George Bush, the more I realise that this guy is no moron, he's a fucking genius. Pure evil and a liar, but a genius none the less.

I think that no matter who was in office in the USA, you would find something to grouse about. I saw people in Europe who thought it was very "chic" to slam on America while socializing with their peers.

Iraq is a mess, was always a mess, and the way to bring an orderly society is to go in there and create order. We are talking a dictatorship that was already testing chemical weapons on it's own people. We are talking a dictatorship that brought nothing to the world, and was everything toward risky situations at best. Iraq only supplied between 4 and 11 percent of the oil sold in USA, and it was USA technology and USA investors bringing that oil out of the ground so it could be sold, so the Iraqi could be enirched, and their economy made to flourish. Instead, the dictatorship enriched themselves and they continued to grind their own people instead of raising their standard of living.

I dont know what you have been reading, or who exactly has been writing it, but I think you will find that Iraq has normally cost more money than we ever made off of it....for decades now.

Invading Iraq was a good move for it's people and for the world. Drilling in Iraq and bringing the oil out of the ground so that it could be sold as a national product was good in every way. The standard of living will be rasied....is being raised....and Iraq can step forward and take it's place in the world of international commerce.

If there is such a "split" going on in the USA favor, then that is good as well, for right now, the Iraqi has nothing of value to invest in USA technology, so they might as well trade oil for it....invest that oil into the future. USA has spent lots of money in re-working Iraq into something that can be lived in and invested in. Cost recovery is fair and just, and payment for services rendered is fair and just.

What is this rot that terrorists are "freedom fighters" and all of that nonsense? Terrorists were never for the Iraqi people....they were only for the terrorists. Thank GOD that there is oil available with which the Iraqi Nation can be built into a producing Nation with jobs, with schools, with commerce, with people that will be able to live and work and advance in life instead of running around stepping in camel shit and screaming political slogans. When the Nation becomes strong, the terrorist will be viewed as the obstacle that he truly is, and he will be exterminated and fade into history rather quickly.

Let me ask you something....why would you even give a shit if there were permanent bases in Iraq? Someone needs to build permanent bases in Iraq....someone needs to be ready to kick the living shit out of the middle Eastern theatre in the event that one of those nuts down there has ideas about exploding Nukes for Allah or some such nonsense. It is no different than Europe. When the people educate and advance and become ready to step into the world arena as a responsible, productive Nation, then the bases will be turned over to the people just as many 0f them are being given to the Germans today. I think you will find that in Germany, we built many bases, and then we leased them from the Germans! You had better thank GOD that we did that, or you might be speaking Russian right now.

[Walter Weiss]

ENGLAND WROTE: Currently there are 82 oil fields in Iraq, worth an estimated $30 trillion. How many are under Iraqi control do you think?? Answer....17.

WALTER RESPONDS: Again accuracy is a problem here....there are far more more than 150 oil fields, and soon all of them will involve USA technology. They will expand to nearly 1000 fields at the height of production...if we are lucky enough to reach it. We have much more equipment to get moved over there, and we still have some radicals to squash. We drill it on our nickle, and we sell it on our nickle. We pay the Iraqi for the oil....the Iraqi has no investment in the drilling....or the payroll....or equipment, or anything. So it is done on a contingency. Textiles will come later, more irrigation is planned, and there will be more prospecting for mining. There are rich loads of Uranium there waiting to be mined....that will throw a healthy profit for all concerned. Oil is embryonic at beast, and not even anything like it could be. In ten years time, oil will BOOM from Iraq and the Iraqi people will be able to enjoy the lifestyle of the Kuwaiti! Anyone that doesnt want to can simply move out of the country, or try their luck against the American soldier and the Iraqi provisional government! Bring it on!!!

ENGLAND WROTE: The more I learn about George Bush, the more I realise that this guy is no moron, he's a fucking genius. Pure evil and a liar, but a genius none the less.

How do you know that he is a liar? How do you know that he is pure evil? How do you know that he is a genius? You have never worked on capitol hill, and you certainly dont invest alongside the man. You obviously depend on propaganda to inform you of that! You might try to ingest a dose of truth for once, and then look at the picture again. You might find a different answer. You run around denouncing war....yet you dont run around seeking the reasons for war. Try doing both....war is bad, surely! But it is often a viable option in order to bring order and peace! When there is cancer, cut it out! Dont leave it there!

[bullfighter]

ENGLAND WROTE: Currently there are 82 oil fields in Iraq, worth an estimated $30 trillion. How many are under Iraqi control do you think?? Answer....17.


WALTER RESPONDS: Again accuracy is a problem hereENGLAND WROTE: The more I learn about George Bush, the more I realise that this guy is no moron, he's a fucking genius. Pure evil and a liar, but a genius none the less.

How do you know that he is a liar? How do you know that he is pure evil? How do you know that he is a genius? You have never worked on capitol hill, and you certainly dont invest alongside the man. You obviously depend on propaganda to inform you of that! You might try to ingest a dose of truth for once, and then look at the picture again. You might find a different answer. You run around denouncing war....yet you dont run around seeking the reasons for war. Try doing both....war is bad, surely! But it is often a viable option in order to bring order and peace! When there is cancer, cut it out! Dont leave it there!;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;we are there in irag for oil and religion not to bring them together,you say war is bad then you love it,i think you love war that is the truth,,england is right about bush,i sorry to hear people think like you ,i was hoping that america would wake to the truth about things like this..why are you suprised at the deceit of the gouvernment they threw history has always decieved for one reason or anougther....and again the end of this bullshit will end in great tribulation so wake up now or try later you and people who think like you will turn on there family and friends out of fear.perhaps america diserves this terrible thing ,it will come if you are ready or not..and you may have a moment of victory in your thinking first...but your blindness will not help the ones you claim to love

[WhiteRaven]

"Then what do you proposed to do? Sit around and smoke a joint with them and wait for them to let you go? You will be conquered! Is that what you want? What good are you conquered?"

No, I want us to plan ahead, think before we blow them up, but like I said, I'm willing to admit that I have no military experience and therefore I could be wrong about us not planning things enough.

"Well, you dont believe in morals....then is that the same as saying you dont believe in honor, and that you dont believe a problem is yours until it happens to your personally and to hell with everyone else? Is that what you mean, or am I wrong on that?"

Not necessarily to me personally. Just someone I'm around enough so I'll be affected strongly by it. Hell, there is no such as not being affected at all by it, since every action affects something both positively and negatively, that's why I don't believe in morality, because you can do something out of the greatest kindness of your heart, and yet end up causing the deaths of countless people.

"Most of that war was fought as infantry, on terrain thousands of miles from the British supply point, on grounds that mostly Americans were familiar with. Supply was a continual problem for the Brit....and guerilla war tactics were encountered by the Brit for the first time. Much of the Naval success consisted of setting fire to ships that docked in harbor ot prevent them from re-supplying. The Masonic order had much to do with winning that war...everyone that signed the declaration of Independance was a member of the Masonic order, and so were most all of the British officers and Non-coms. The reason Iraq cannot be brought under control is a lack of troops, and this is due to Demorat manuvering....they use the war for their own sordid politics...bastard pieces of shit all of them. They are a treasonist bunch of scoundrels worthy of being arrested and tried for treasonist acts against this Nation!"


So Maybe we should go back to guerilla tactics, Iraq soldiers are using them, and tell the democrats to shut the hell up and let the soldiers do their jobs, then maybe we can get something accomplished.

[Walter Weiss]

WHITE RAVEN WROTE: So Maybe we should go back to guerilla tactics, Iraq soldiers are using them, and tell the democrats to shut the hell up and let the soldiers do their jobs, then maybe we can get something accomplished.

WALTER WEISS RESPONDS: We have accomplished much...with guerilla tactics, with armored units, with air assaults, infantry assaults, expeditionary reconnaisance teams, pilotless drones, satelite, and we have cleared whole districts of undersirable elements, and we have put kids in school....many for the first time.

There is momentum building in a faction on capitol hill that wants to see massive arrests for treasonist activities against this Nation. We are spending billions protecting the public and on National Security....that is all in vain if we are going to sit around and let our own people side with enemy factions and chip away at the American establishment from within. We need to arrest treasonist garbage, put it on trial, and establish penalties ranging from penal colonies to prison to death sentences. We need a strong consolidated Nation to meet the challenges ahead!

[Walter Weiss]

BULLBITER WROTE: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;we are there in irag for oil and religion not to bring them together,you say war is bad then you love it,i think you love war that is the truth,,england is right about bush,i sorry to hear people think like you ,i was hoping that america would wake to the truth about things like this..why are you suprised at the deceit of the gouvernment they threw history has always decieved for one reason or anougther....and again the end of this bullshit will end in great tribulation so wake up now or try later you and people who think like you will turn on there family and friends out of fear.perhaps america diserves this terrible thing ,it will come if you are ready or not..and you may have a moment of victory in your thinking first...but your blindness will not help the ones you claim to love

WALTER RESPONDS: You are the type of fellow that someone would find praying for the soul of Lennin while trying to grow a mustache like Joseph Stalin. There is no doubt in my mind that if America gave every person on the planet a house and a car, you would still find some reason to hate America because you are conditioned to do so. Open up your eyes and your mind. We were always in Iraq....even before the war....and during the war, Hussein still sold us oil to keep up his personal profits....in Desert Storm....OIL is our business....OIL is their business.....we were getting oil whether we were at war or NOT. You merely parrot sloganistic propaganda aimed at discrediting USA anyway possible with lies, or otherwise. You would holler that you are against war, and are you the type that would strap a bomb to your body and board a school bus full of kids and detonate it in order to make a public statement? I rather think that you are.

The destruction of tyranny and the re-starting and re-building of trade to new heights is what the world needed! Only the terrorist and the communist minded.....which one are you?

[WhiteRaven]

"We have accomplished much...with guerilla tactics, with armored units, with air assaults, infantry assaults, expeditionary reconnaisance teams, pilotless drones, satelite, and we have cleared whole districts of undersirable elements, and we have put kids in school....many for the first time."

Hm... I had heard guerilla tactics were outlawed for some idiotic reason. Guess I heard wrong... not that what is and is not legal matters much during war. And it shouldn't. I remember a couple of years everyone was bitching about the treatment of prisoners of war. I wanted to hit them all with a shovel. People need to quit defending the fucking enemy.

[General Septem]

Hm... I had heard guerilla tactics were outlawed for some idiotic reason. Guess I heard wrong... not that what is and is not legal matters much during war. And it shouldn't. I remember a couple of years everyone was bitching about the treatment of prisoners of war. I wanted to hit them all with a shovel. People need to quit defending the fucking enemy.

Tell me about it. Every time I hear "we're lowering ourselves to their level," I want to punch someone. Show me the last time we flew civilian planes unprovoked into three of their fucking buildings.

[Walter Weiss]

"We have accomplished much...with guerilla tactics, with armored units, with air assaults, infantry assaults, expeditionary reconnaisance teams, pilotless drones, satelite, and we have cleared whole districts of undersirable elements, and we have put kids in school....many for the first time."

Hm... I had heard guerilla tactics were outlawed for some idiotic reason. Guess I heard wrong... not that what is and is not legal matters much during war. And it shouldn't. I remember a couple of years everyone was bitching about the treatment of prisoners of war. I wanted to hit them all with a shovel. People need to quit defending the fucking enemy.

No, not really.... guerilla tactics are not outlawed...only the atrocities that are sometimes committed in war are outlawed. "Guerilla tactics" is really a broad term for "hit and run" tactics in which small patrols fire on large targets and fade off into the distance where they wont be discovered. Moving a large force of armour and personnel attracts attention. Small patrols can move into an area undetected, and perform guerilla type commando raids designed to frustrate and confuse the enemy, and in many cases it will cut re-supply or support forces from enhancing the enemy capability to sustain a large task force in a given area. This is not illegal, and it is a form of guerilla war. It is also a form of guerilla war to train one's citizenry and arm them to carry out operations in the theatre of war....basically create what effects to be a partisan unit.

During the second war, thousands of of rifles, grenades and cartridges and other weapons and equipment were dropped to civilian units operating behind the lines....and it was very effective. Many of the old pattern 14 style model 1917 caliber 30 bolt guns that were overproduced by USA in the first war were dropped to these civilian units and partisan units. Later advisors were dropped in. Later still, some of these units were assimilated into the local infantry units and field police units. Very effective, and it is a form of creating guerilla forces.

Something similar is done in Iraq today....only now, we are openly training Iraqi forces, and creating whole units of them. There is a wealth of combat experience among some of the Iraqi people. It will be developed into something more sophisticated than what it is at this time. Later, good use will be made of these forces when we turn our attention to the Iranian campaign that is sure to follow.

[Walter Weiss]

Tell me about it. Every time I hear "we're lowering ourselves to their level," I want to punch someone. Show me the last time we flew civilian planes unprovoked into three of their fucking buildings.

The destruction of this enemy is tantamount to world peace. It is imperative, right, and correct that we do this. Anyone that supports the enemy by clamouring for a troop pullout before this job is completely finished, is committing treason against the United States of America. Any Demorat official that continues at this behavior should be immediately investigated to determine their suitability to serve in our government as an official....elected or appointed....because we cannot have treasonist garbage on the payroll. Once this Nation went to war, the war has to be total to be won. Anyone standing in the way of the winning of the war and the complete dismantling of the enemy camp should be accorded the highest orders of legal punishment! Anyone specifically carrying out an act of government contrary to USA established policies, especially if the act was carried out with a design to hamper the USA war effort, should be deemed guilty of creating the conditions in which U.S. Soldiers were risked beyond the necessary and usual risks of war. Such acts should be deemed worthy of an arrest for treason, and a sentence of death confirmed upon trial of the offense. Execution should take place by firing squad, hanging or lethal injection. It should not be publicized until after the war. The execution itself should not be filmed or video taped and should only be attended by the investigating officials.

Until we start fighting the war...like it is a war....we wont have successes expeditiously. Total committment to war is what wins wars. Winning wars will deter wars.

There is no such thing as an innocent Iraqi official from the Saddam Hussein regime. There is no such thing as a cease fire until the job it done. There should be no such thing as IRAQ after the job is done.

Failing to commit to the war totally has delayed an honorable end to the war....thanks to the liberal scum trash demorats running loose in Washington D.C. Thanks to them, the enemy was given precisou time to gather arms and commit many deadly acts against the USA forces. There are those in the demorat camp that are so wacked out that they would take up arms alongside the Iraqi against the USA....against their own country. May they be arrested and deported....or jailed.

In an effort to let the world know that treason will no longer be tolerated among government officials in this country....to show that total committment to the war...and future wars....will take place here....we should begin arresting those who have committed treason in past wars. The arrest of JOHN KERRY would be a good start for his treasonist behaviors in the Vietnam conflict. Let him be arrested, tried, convicted, and imprisoned or deported for his acts...and let the world know it as fast as it happens. It is time to cleanse Washington of these undesirable treasonist elements. Lets put the honor back into government, and let the tyrants and communists and terrorists of this world tremble if another ever dares to offend the people of the United States of America...let them tremble at the sound of American combat boots approaching.....for it is always the sound of JUSTICE and the makers and keepers of World Peace!

[akeohane]

walter your nothing more than just anouther close minded republican fat cat with IQ that pales in comparison to forrest gumps.

[Walter Weiss]

walter your nothing more than just anouther close minded republican fat cat with IQ that pales in comparison to forrest gumps.

You Sir are a moron....probably a coward who would sell his country down the road for a free Yugo and a free apartment and a free bag of dope. I can only imagine that you are just another knee-jerk peacenik liberal who knows not the real price of peace, but knows everything about marihuana and daisies. You are a sheep....just a sheep.....and you will merely generate sheep shit for future generations to step in......

Sheep:.....bah, bah, demorat....bah, bah, demorat......communism....

Wolf:.....tired of stepping in sheep shit....

Shephard:....now sheep, pray to the communist demorat god....

Sheepdog:.....tired of stepping in sheep shit....think I will go have a cup of coffee with the wolves! Wolves work in packs and protect each other....sheep only follow communism and generate sheep shit.

[Walter Weiss]

walter your nothing more than just anouther close minded republican fat cat with IQ that pales in comparison to forrest gumps.

You have a picture next to your name that shows an Eagle flattened out on the ground, with tire tracks over him. Are you suggesting that the EAGLE, which is a symbol of American Freedom, should be trampled to death?

Do you suggest that America should be destroyed?

Are you a communist?

[freakazoid]

Tell me about it. Every time I hear "we're lowering ourselves to their level," I want to punch someone. Show me the last time we flew civilian planes unprovoked into three of their fucking buildings.

Those are the words of liberal maggots, GS. Piss on them. http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif They're mindless idiots.

[Walter Weiss]

Those are the words of liberal maggots, GS. Piss on them. http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif They're mindless idiots.


Liberals are no defense against an enemy. They are merely the assholes that open the back door for the enemy to come inside.

The terrorist menace is permanently stopped when he ceases to exist. Anyone who uses terrorist murder techniques and calls it politics is worthy of execution. Hunt these bastards down and do away with them....they have earned it.....and they are sure to victimize again and again if not permanently taken out of action. It is time to conquer them....not time to kiss their ass and hand them daisies!

[akeohane]

You have a picture next to your name that shows an Eagle flattened out on the ground, with tire tracks over him. Are you suggesting that the EAGLE, which is a symbol of American Freedom, should be trampled to death?

Do you suggest that America should be destroyed?

Are you a communist?

its a band


diarreah face

[akeohane]

You Sir are a moron....probably a coward who would sell his country down the road for a free Yugo and a free apartment and a free bag of dope. I can only imagine that you are just another knee-jerk peacenik liberal who knows not the real price of peace, but knows everything about marihuana and daisies. You are a sheep....just a sheep.....and you will merely generate sheep shit for future generations to step in......

Sheep:.....bah, bah, demorat....bah, bah, demorat......communism....

Wolf:.....tired of stepping in sheep shit....

Shephard:....now sheep, pray to the communist demorat god....

Sheepdog:.....tired of stepping in sheep shit....think I will go have a cup of coffee with the wolves! Wolves work in packs and protect each other....sheep only follow communism and generate sheep shit.

ha sheep shit
i sir am jewish

[Walter Weiss]

its a band


diarreah face

You adopt a symbol that from no matter where it comes from, would lead the viewed to believe that it represents the destruction of the freedom associated with American life. The same freedom that gives your communist ass the right to speak without fear of persecution.

You must be a sympathizer of the disgusting waste material that passes for demorats these days, and you definitely seem to side with terrorism over your own Nation.......traitorous, treasonist, filth.....I would bet you voted for John Kerry!

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

You adopt a symbol that from no matter where it comes from, would lead the viewed to believe that it represents the destruction of the freedom associated with American life. The same freedom that gives your communist ass the right to speak without fear of persecution.

You must be a sympathizer of the disgusting waste material that passes for demorats these days, and you definitely seem to side with terrorism over your own Nation.......traitorous, treasonist, filth.....I would bet you voted for John Kerry!

The eagle is commonly found in Germany, Mexiko and parts of Scandinavia. As a symbol.

[Walter Weiss]

The eagle is commonly found in Germany, Mexiko and parts of Scandinavia. As a symbol.

SO just tell me now.....which of those countries do you want squashed flat? I sincerely doubt that your connection with this particular eagle image had anything to do with those countries. I am most positive that you chose this image, because to you, it was the closest thing you could get to a burning American flag.

The has long ago been used as a symbol to represent freedom....in only the way someone is free in the USA. You portray it squashed flat and dead.

Are you a communist or something, or just another ignorant liberal anarchist?

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

SO just tell me now.....which of those countries do you want squashed flat? I sincerely doubt that your connection with this particular eagle image had anything to do with those countries. I am most positive that you chose this image, because to you, it was the closest thing you could get to a burning American flag.

The has long ago been used as a symbol to represent freedom....in only the way someone is free in the USA. You portray it squashed flat and dead.

Are you a communist or something, or just another ignorant liberal anarchist?

Nothing, really, I am just being a smart-ass :D

One thing thou, we do have our right to criticize and our right to freedom of speech. if someone wants to do whatever the fuck with the American eagle, they should have the right to do it.

[Loseirdo]

Nothing, really, I am just being a smart-ass :D

One thing thou, we do have our right to criticize and our right to freedom of speech. if someone wants to do whatever the fuck with the American eagle, they should have the right to do it.

Unless it's with an American Bald Eagle, which is still protected.

D'oh! The liberals have turned on you!

[hitekredneck]

Unless it's with an American Bald Eagle, which is still protected.

D'oh! The liberals have turned on you!

actually, los, ALL birds of prey are protected...raptors are too cool to crush, anyway ;)

[Loseirdo]

actually, los, ALL birds of prey are protected...raptors are too cool to crush, anyway ;)

Are they? That's cool. At least the Bald Eagle isn't endangered (or threatened) anymore.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

Unless it's with an American Bald Eagle, which is still protected.

I should have typed 'A picture of an eagle'. fuck me.


D'oh! The liberals have turned on you!

:confused:

[Walter Weiss]

Nothing, really, I am just being a smart-ass :D

One thing thou, we do have our right to criticize and our right to freedom of speech. if someone wants to do whatever the fuck with the American eagle, they should have the right to do it.


On that I have to admit....humbly...humbly.....that you are correct about the rights issue.

On your being a smartass, I again have to admit....humbly, humbly, that I too dabble in the hobby of being a smart ass.

I salute you.

[akeohane]

You adopt a symbol that from no matter where it comes from, would lead the viewed to believe that it represents the destruction of the freedom associated with American life. The same freedom that gives your communist ass the right to speak without fear of persecution.

You must be a sympathizer of the disgusting waste material that passes for demorats these days, and you definitely seem to side with terrorism over your own Nation.......traitorous, treasonist, filth.....I would bet you voted for John Kerry!

try Raph Nader a real american
how am i a terrorist because i like an american band? there good if you like metalcore look them up