Another Idiot Opens Fire On Random Bystanders

[MrJim]

Some crazy teenage asshole got fired from McDonalds, lost his shit, and went on a shooting spree at a Nebraska shopping mall yesterday, killing 8 people.

Apparantly, the shooter also warned the mall ahead of time (according to another source) and left a suicide note behind; he also had a criminal record and a history of mental illness.

Less than a year after the Utah massacre, this will no doubt stir up a lot of gun control arguments, which will stir up a lot of blah blah blah, etc. etc.

Story below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071206/ap_on_re_us/mall_shooting;_ylt=AspYcVrFydVOEB62uxzU14Ss0NUE

[England Expects]

They're reporting here that 9 are dead although I'm not sure if that includes the guy that did the shooting.

Obviously the gun control argument will be regurgitated and the same old crap just be repeated.

This is the 3rd mass shooting in the US this year. How many more are needed before someone does something, be it a change in the law or an effort to enforce the laws you already have?

It says something about the effectiveness of your civilian militia if he has time to shoot 8 people and then himself before someone else takes it upon themselves to take him out.

[Limbo]

Some crazy teenage asshole got fired from McDonalds, lost his shit, and went on a shooting spree at a Nebraska shopping mall yesterday, killing 8 people.

Apparantly, the shooter also warned the mall ahead of time (according to another source) and left a suicide note behind; he also had a criminal record and a history of mental illness.

Less than a year after the Utah massacre, this will no doubt stir up a lot of gun control arguments, which will stir up a lot of blah blah blah, etc. etc.

Story below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071206/ap_on_re_us/mall_shooting;_ylt=AspYcVrFydVOEB62uxzU14Ss0NUE

If gun control means keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people with criminal records, then I'm all for it. I didn't read the story yet, but I'm wondering how this punk got his hands on a gun or guns.

[WhiteRaven]

"It says something about the effectiveness of your civilian militia if he has time to shoot 8 people and then himself before someone else takes it upon themselves to take him out."

Well they have to drive there. we have mall cops but they don't have much training, they are just people who are hired to watch people and kick out anyone who sticks their gum on the bottom of a table, but maybe they should be trained for things like this...

If only the other people had had guns... then there would only be one, maybe two, dead.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

They're reporting here that 9 are dead although I'm not sure if that includes the guy that did the shooting.

Obviously the gun control argument will be regurgitated and the same old crap just be repeated.

This is the 3rd mass shooting in the US this year. How many more are needed before someone does something, be it a change in the law or an effort to enforce the laws you already have?

It says something about the effectiveness of your civilian militia if he has time to shoot 8 people and then himself before someone else takes it upon themselves to take him out.

Well England, sometimes shit happends.

[England Expects]

How do we know that people around didn't have guns???? If this fruitcake didn't have a gun, nobody would be dead.

Yeah TSS, shit happens sometimes, but I doubt the families of those killed will be shrugging their shoulders so casually.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

How do we know that people around didn't have guns???? If this fruitcake didn't have a gun, nobody would be dead.

Yeah TSS, shit happens sometimes, but I doubt the families of those killed will be shrugging their shoulders so casually.

My point being, no system is perfect, just because people have guns around shootings it doesn't say that it absolutely can't happend.

As I've said before, if you don't know how to use a gun, and don't have balls to shoot another, you might as well leave it at home.

[MrJim]

This is the 3rd mass shooting in the US this year. How many more are needed before someone does something, be it a change in the law or an effort to enforce the laws you already have?


You know what really irks me? There are millions of responsible American gunowners who use their noggins and stay out of trouble. It sucks that the rights of the masses are in jeopardy because of a handful of dipshits who decide to take innocent people down their path of destruction.

Those who plan to commit random acts of senseless violence could obviously give two shits less about the law. Gun control laws serve to tax the shit out of responsible citizens. There is no way to keep weapons out of the hands of the lawless.

With the occurance of violent crimes on the rise lately, someone ought to get to the bottom of this. Why is everyone becoming violent and psycho? What causes a young man to think that losing a girlfriend and being fired from McDonalds equals taking his own life and many others?

The media has blamed easy access to guns (while leaving out knives, for some reason), violent videogames, dark rock music & whathaveyou... I wouldn’t doubt there is a medical link that has not been given the spotlight. All these sick bastards surely take an anti-depressant cocktail each day, and I wouldn’t doubt that they mix narcotics and alcohol with them -- this guy did! Someone needs to figure this out, but then again, it is a difficult science.



It says something about the effectiveness of your civilian militia if he has time to shoot 8 people and then himself before someone else takes it upon themselves to take him out.

By “civilian militia” are you referring to the bystanders who carry, or to the rent-a-cops at public hot spots?



If gun control means keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people with criminal records, then I'm all for it.

You would be absolutely right, if that were really what gun control means...



If only the other people had had guns... then there would only be one, maybe two, dead.

Correct. Unfortunately for the victims, they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, AND unarmed.


How do we know that people around didn't have guns????

We don’t, but given the body count, it’s a reasonable assumption.



As I've said before, if you don't know how to use a gun, and don't have balls to shoot another, you might as well leave it at home.

Good point!

[MrJim]

An updated article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071207/ts_alt_afp/uscrimeassault;_ylt=AjPAu7coaptSOretKGWVTW.s0NUE

Zeroing in on these key texts:

A troubling portrait emerged Thursday of the disturbed youth who had been a ward of the state and spent time in substance abuse and mental health counseling after he displayed "homicidal tendencies" towards his stepmother.

= Psycho who takes his meds and chases them with street dope.

...and been arrested for underage drinking on Friday...

:rolleyes:

In reference to the suicide note:
It also said that "his whole life he was a piece of shit and now he'll be famous."

There has to be a medical explanation, hands down! Which pharmaceutical company is responsible for this death and destruction... and WHICH PILL reacts with WHAT to cause this twisted behavior?? If no one answers these questions, history is bound to repeat itself!

EDIT:
I'm not claiming that a person is not responsible for his own actions and trying to play the blame game here. It's a no-brainer that this numbnuts is engaging in illicit drug use.... however, it would be very helpful to solve the medical mystery first, since actions like these are the result of a chemical imbalance.

[freakazoid]

Some crazy teenage asshole got fired from McDonalds, lost his shit, and went on a shooting spree at a Nebraska shopping mall yesterday, killing 8 people.

Apparantly, the shooter also warned the mall ahead of time (according to another source) and left a suicide note behind; he also had a criminal record and a history of mental illness.

Less than a year after the Utah massacre, this will no doubt stir up a lot of gun control arguments, which will stir up a lot of blah blah blah, etc. etc.

Story below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071206/ap_on_re_us/mall_shooting;_ylt=AspYcVrFydVOEB62uxzU14Ss0NUE

Must have been "Post Traumatic Slavery Syndrome," ...no, it was because the asshole was a loser, and because he was, several innocent people are dead who were alive this time last week. I doubt that any of them believed they would be dead this week. Of course, lets blame law abiding citizens who believe that other law abiding citizens have the right to bare arms.

[England Expects]

Clearly something has gone wrong if a nut like this is able to even gain access to a firearm.

The argument when this happens in schools is that it wouldn't happen if it were legal to carry a gun in school. I'm sorry. but as well as shooting 8 innocent people, this fuckwit has put a huge bullet hole in that argument.

What is the point of having security guards if they dont use the full force they are legally entitled to to do their job.

There's no perfect or foolproof way to keep firearms out of the reach of these people but you need to start by making sure the laws you have are enforced properly. If they already are, then maybe you need more "gun control" laws.

[hitekredneck]

Clearly something has gone wrong if a nut like this is able to even gain access to a firearm.

The argument when this happens in schools is that it wouldn't happen if it were legal to carry a gun in school. I'm sorry. but as well as shooting 8 innocent people, this fuckwit has put a huge bullet hole in that argument.

What is the point of having security guards if they dont use the full force they are legally entitled to to do their job.

There's no perfect or foolproof way to keep firearms out of the reach of these people but you need to start by making sure the laws you have are enforced properly. If they already are, then maybe you need more "gun control" laws.

ok, ee...i was gonna stay outa this one, but i'ld like to answer a couple of things...first off, yeah, the system failed as this asswipe actually ILLEGALY got a gun...with his mental history, he would never have passed a background check....secondly, none of the victims or witnesses HAD A FIREARM DUE TO LACK OF CC LAWS in that area...third, most mall rent-a-cops aren't armed, nor are they trained for this type of situation...you're correct about one thing in your diatribe, and that's the fact that current laws need to be enforced

[England Expects]

Ok, the argument holds due to lack of C&C.

What use are these security "rent-a-cops"?

And if the guy got hold of his firearm illegally, what action will (or should) be taken against the person or people that supplied it??

[Eruption]

Ok, the argument holds due to lack of C&C.

What use are these security "rent-a-cops"?

And if the guy got hold of his firearm illegally, what action will (or should) be taken against the person or people that supplied it??

If you relax the law then more people have fire arms then captain crazy would have killed only maybe one person.

Mall security is no use at all, I've knocked one out in a minor altercation. dipshits.

the people that supplied the illegal firearm should be found and locked up and the shooter, if he weren't already dead, should be executed. I believe the only gun law we should have in America is the one in the constitution, "You have the right to arms." I believe that if everyone had a firearm, the one or two nuts in the group would be killed off very quickly. I know this because we've tried the other approach of making the laws more and more strict up to the point of banning them, and some countries have even done that, and criminals still get their hands on the guns anyway and meanwhile innocent joe blow doesn't have the right to defend himself.

I dont understand how we can see countries go towards liberal thinking and end in ruin and think that as americans if we try it it will work for us. Its clearly not working anywhere so lets try extreme conservatism. It worked when america was founded, I don't see why it can't work now.

[Limbo]

Well, I think I'm going to be a contrarian on this one, in a political sense. Isn't saying we should put more guns out in the streets as a solution sort of like when you notice that a baby has shit in his pants and it stinks, telling the baby to shit some more to solve the problem? In other words, might not increasing the number of guns on the street even further make things worse, rather than better?

I think first off we should make sure we do everything we can to keep dangerous firearms out of the hands of lunatics. We'll have to see where this clown got the gun (sorry if you already mentioned it as I didn't get a chance to go back through this entire thread).

[MrJim]

Well, I think I'm going to be a contrarian on this one, in a political sense. Isn't saying we should put more guns out in the streets as a solution sort of like when you notice that a baby has shit in his pants and it stinks, telling the baby to shit some more to solve the problem? In other words, might not increasing the number of guns on the street even further make things worse, rather than better?

No, we would be fighting fire with fire.
Or, rather, gunfire.

In some instances, the disease is the cure, if you will.

[General Septem]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

Nobody ever gets massacred at NRA conventions and gun shows.

They only happen in malls and schools, where people don't bring guns.

If you don't take your own safety into your own hands, I don't pity you. Massacres are terrible things but victims allow it to happen, along with anyone who thinks owning guns is dangerous, old-fashioned, or something only crazy or weird people do.

"When owning guns is a crime, the criminals own guns."

[Eruption]

The logic is: I'm not going to pull a gun out and open fire if I know that everyone around me has a firearm as well.

[WhiteRaven]

"By “civilian militia” are you referring to the bystanders who carry, or to the rent-a-cops at public hot spots?"

I think "civillian militia" refers to cops, but I'm not certain. I don't really speak english english, just american english.

"What use are these security "rent-a-cops"?"

none really, I mean they can call real cops, but that's about it... and hell, I can call real cops...

[MrJim]

RE: Rent-A-Cops

They are a financial asset for the stores. In a nutshell it is cheaper to pay a guy to yell "HEY, YOU! COME BACK WITH THAT!" than to have the merchandise stolen. They are not a public service, and not a violence deterrant.

[Eruption]

RE: Rent-A-Cops

They are a financial asset for the stores. In a nutshell it is cheaper to pay a guy to yell "HEY, YOU! COME BACK WITH THAT!" than to have the merchandise stolen. They are not a public service, and not a violence deterrant.

I'm a violence deterrent. People get violent with other people, I step in and deter them. :p

[WhiteRaven]

"In a nutshell it is cheaper to pay a guy to yell "HEY, YOU! COME BACK WITH THAT!" than to have the merchandise stolen"

Yeah, because I'm going to do what a guy being paid to sit around and yell tells me to do.:rolleyes:

[Eruption]

"In a nutshell it is cheaper to pay a guy to yell "HEY, YOU! COME BACK WITH THAT!" than to have the merchandise stolen"

Yeah, because I'm going to do what a guy being paid to sit around and yell tells me to do.:rolleyes:



You do it all day at work, why not do it at the mall too?

[MrJim]

Yeah, because I'm going to do what a guy being paid to sit around and yell tells me to do.:rolleyes:

Chances are, just seeing one would make most people think twice about chancing a trip to the pokey...

But not about carrying out a massacre, if that were their intention....

[WhiteRaven]

Ah... I guess that's true...

[England Expects]

I think "civillian militia" refers to cops, but I'm not certain. I don't really speak english english, just american english.

That term is lifted straight from your constitution.

You tell me what it means.