Is it legal to shoot Christian fundamentalists?

[akaBruno]

Is it legal to shoot Christian fundamentalists?

If it aint... it oughta be. These people are crazy motherfuckers. Like Fuckabee.

Give me a gun and send them to my door.

[akaBruno]

Here pussy pussy puss...

[akaBruno]

Come on! Fuck w/ me with your stupid Armegedon cocksucker beliefs.

If you Gay Old Party motherfuckers push this guy... ya all need to be locked up.

[Walter Weiss]

Is it legal to shoot Christian fundamentalists?

If it aint... it oughta be. These people are crazy motherfuckers. Like Fuckabee.

Give me a gun and send them to my door.

I am not christian. I dont enjoy doorbells from christians. I dont enjoy being told that I am going to hell for being a christ-killing Jew. But I have to tell you, that none of this ever made me want to go around murdering christians of any kind. What in the hell is the matter with you?

[akaBruno]

People like you make us all insane.

You are the ultimate nutsack.

You must be related to Hitler.

[akaBruno]

I'm just trying to bring out the true Walter.

I hope you're all witnessing this.

He's a real piece o' shit.

[Limbo]

I am not christian. I dont enjoy doorbells from christians. I dont enjoy being told that I am going to hell for being a christ-killing Jew. But I have to tell you, that none of this ever made me want to go around murdering christians of any kind. What in the hell is the matter with you?

He's obviously mentally unhinged. I don't think we should waste our time with this guy. He's got issues.

[akaBruno]

It's worse than I thought.

[Limbo]

It's worse than I thought.

*ignores the guy, in hope that he'll just leave*

[Walter Weiss]

People like you make us all insane.

You are the ultimate nutsack.

You must be related to Hitler.

You stupid bastard....you advocate murder, I protest you, and you call ME Hitler??? Junior, I dont know if it is drugs you are taking, or drugs you ought to be taking, but there is every indication here that you are becoming highly unstable, and a danger to other people. I do hope you realize some of the things you are doing and saying. Someone is liable to suffer an injury, and you are probably destined for a jail cell. Please, get hold of yourself.

[Walter Weiss]

I'm just trying to bring out the true Walter.

I hope you're all witnessing this.

He's a real piece o' shit.

You dont know me.....you have never seen me.....you have no idea where I come from or what I do. If these blog rooms unhinge you that severely, you may wish to consider finding another leisure activity that will be less of a traumatic experience for you.

You advocate murdering people for being Christian, while you accuse others of being Hitler. On top of that....I am not even a Christian.....you are so strong in your view of murder, you open a thread in a blog room advocating the legalization of murder for certain religious enthusiasts that practice a particular religion. I think you might be aware that HITLER did such things. Perhaps you are being something of a hyrpocrite when you accuse others of Hitlerian views or actions or behaviors. You are without a doubt the most ignorant poster that most of us have ever seen come in here. That is OK that you are ignorant, but it is not OK to remain that way.

Go to your family doctor and tell him in private that you are struggling with some personal issues that involve thoughts of murder. He can advise you in confidence of how and where to go for assistance with the emotional problems you are experiencing.

I wish you good luck with your treatment, and as for everything else, carefully stick it up your azzzz.

[akaBruno]

you are the ultimate idiot Walt.

[Walter Weiss]

you are the ultimate idiot Walt.

The man who feels himself to be in a position to judge idiots is the same man who advocates murdering people for being of Christian stock? Doesnt that make you somewhere between ignorant, stupid, and a hypocrite?

Meds boy! Take your meds!!

[akaBruno]

The only thing I advocate is putting idiots like you in their place.

You're the most ignorant motherfucker I've ever run across.

[WhiteRaven]

damn it, I only have a clue shovel, for Bruno I would need a clue nuclear warhead.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

Is it legal to shoot Christian fundamentalists?

If it aint... it oughta be. These people are crazy motherfuckers. Like Fuckabee.

Give me a gun and send them to my door.

Yeah, they're crazy, but their entitled a life and an opinion. Nothing we can do about it.

[Walter Weiss]

Yeah, they're crazy, but their entitled a life and an opinion. Nothing we can do about it.

What? Yeah there is something you can do. You can point out to them that which they do that injures or exploits others. You can point out to the injured and exploited how they may have come to be injured and exploited. To stand idly by while others are injured and exploited by religious zealots could qualify you to be an enabler.

We evolve and advance by interration with one-another, in an effort to share views with a hope for consensus on some subjects, and peace on those for which we do not achieve consensus. To turn your back, to turn a blind eye, merely allows that which is hurting another to continue to newer and more fervent heights....it only becomes worse. By showing, pointing, discussing, and through enlightening, positive change can often begin. It may not be totally positive in the short term, but it will effect some self questioning by others for consideration on taking a different path or adopting different methodology. In the case of the radical, it is sometimes necessart to physically defend oneself and back off or outright eliminate deadly threats, all the while attempting to communicate.....as in the case of the radical terrorists.

To say you can do nothing, is to accomplish nothing.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

What? Yeah there is something you can do. You can point out to them that which they do that injures or exploits others. You can point out to the injured and exploited how they may have come to be injured and exploited. To stand idly by while others are injured and exploited by religious zealots could qualify you to be an enabler.

We evolve and advance by interration with one-another, in an effort to share views with a hope for consensus on some subjects, and peace on those for which we do not achieve consensus. To turn your back, to turn a blind eye, merely allows that which is hurting another to continue to newer and more fervent heights....it only becomes worse. By showing, pointing, discussing, and through enlightening, positive change can often begin. It may not be totally positive in the short term, but it will effect some self questioning by others for consideration on taking a different path or adopting different methodology. In the case of the radical, it is sometimes necessart to physically defend oneself and back off or outright eliminate deadly threats, all the while attempting to communicate.....as in the case of the radical terrorists.

To say you can do nothing, is to accomplish nothing.


By showing, pointing, discussing, and through enlightening, positive change can often begin.

Yeah, but we can't shoot them!

[MrJim]

Is it legal to shoot Christian fundamentalists?

If it aint... it oughta be. These people are crazy motherfuckers. Like Fuckabee.

Give me a gun and send them to my door.

Creating a thread "is it legal to shoot [any group of people]" is the first telltale sign of a complete moron. Is it legal to shoot morons? If so, come get some, dumbass.

Less than 10 years ago, some assholes walked into a church here in Fort Worth and opened fire. This just happened AGAIN this weekend in Colorado. Are you such a disrespectful piece of human garbage that you support shit like this? You need help, or better yet, your IP traced and tipped off to the FBI.

[Limbo]

Creating a thread "is it legal to shoot [any group of people]" is the first telltale sign of a complete moron. Is it legal to shoot morons? If so, come get some, dumbass.

Less than 10 years ago, some assholes walked into a church here in Fort Worth and opened fire. This just happened AGAIN this weekend in Colorado. Are you such a disrespectful piece of human garbage that you support shit like this? You need help, or better yet, your IP traced and tipped off to the FBI.

Yeah, he's been quiet for a while now. Maybe the authorities finally caught up with him. Anyone with that much hate built up is capable of doing just about anything. Making veiled threats about shooting people is taken pretty seriously now by law enforcement, for good reason.

How sweet is it that someone took out that church shooter in Colorado before he could open fire inside the church. That women is a hero and saved many lives. Thank God she had the presence of mind to mow him down without hesitation.

[MrJim]

How sweet is it that someone took out that church shooter in Colorado before he could open fire inside the church. That women is a hero and saved many lives. Thank God she had the presence of mind to mow him down without hesitation.

That was DEFINITELY good news.. the mall shooting last week was an embarassment to our civilian gun laws.. this time around, someone got the job done the way it should have been, saving maybe 100 people, so this story reads:

http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7475324

[Limbo]

That was DEFINITELY good news.. the mall shooting last week was an embarassment to our civilian gun laws.. this time around, someone got the job done the way it should have been, saving maybe 100 people, so this story reads:

http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7475324

She was trained in security to handle the situation. She wasn't just any old joe blow with a gun, she knew what she was doing. Arming every old lady in the shopping mall:

-ain't gonna happen.
-wouldn't help anyway

Having trained people around, like this awesome, life-saving lady is where we need to go IMHO. In Canada, we had auxiliary cops, who were trained volunteers who helped out where needed. Maybe we could have some kind of similar thing here, where plain-clothes armed (and trained obviously) volunteers provide security in places where people gather: schools, universities, malls, churches, synagogues, etc.

Just handing out guns like water to everyone won't help because they won't have the training to know what to do in an emergency.

[Loseirdo]

She was trained in security to handle the situation. She wasn't just any old joe blow with a gun, she knew what she was doing. Arming every old lady in the shopping mall:

-ain't gonna happen.
-wouldn't help anyway

Having trained people around, like this awesome, life-saving lady is where we need to go IMHO. In Canada, we had auxiliary cops, who were trained volunteers who helped out where needed. Maybe we could have some kind of similar thing here, where plain-clothes armed (and trained obviously) volunteers provide security in places where people gather: schools, universities, malls, churches, synagogues, etc.

Just handing out guns like water to everyone won't help because they won't have the training to know what to do in an emergency.

Perhaps it's time we resurrected the ancient and lost art of the civilian militia?

[MrJim]

She was trained in security to handle the situation. She wasn't just any old joe blow with a gun, she knew what she was doing. Arming every old lady in the shopping mall:

-ain't gonna happen.
-wouldn't help anyway

Having trained people around, like this awesome, life-saving lady is where we need to go IMHO. In Canada, we had auxiliary cops, who were trained volunteers who helped out where needed. Maybe we could have some kind of similar thing here, where plain-clothes armed (and trained obviously) volunteers provide security in places where people gather: schools, universities, malls, churches, synagogues, etc.

Just handing out guns like water to everyone won't help because they won't have the training to know what to do in an emergency.

Yeah, I suppose. Of course, anyone who wants to cough up their hard-earned money for a firearm should learn how to properly use it.

[hitekredneck]

Yeah, I suppose. Of course, anyone who wants to cough up their hard-earned money for a firearm should learn how to properly use it.

it should actually be mandatory...i've plenty of training thru prior military experience as well as my upbringing...but not everybody does

[General Septem]

I'm just trying to bring out the true Walter.

I hope you're all witnessing this.

He's a real piece o' shit.

This is the real General Septem, advising you not to meet me in public or I might curb stomp you like in American History X. That'll teach you racist piece of shit.

[Limbo]

it should actually be mandatory...i've plenty of training thru prior military experience as well as my upbringing...but not everybody does

The prez should absolutely give this lady some kind of recognition.

But getting back to training and it's importance, most people loose their ability to think and react normally under extreme stress (like when facing a life or death situation). Correct me if I'm wrong, but the training you got in the military, and the training police or professional security get, allows you to operate instinctively, or automatically, if you will. If you pull out a weapon and then hesitate, you will be shot for sure.

I think any big organization should look at recruiting people within their ranks to do this kind of security. I'm not so sure about rent-a-cops, rarely do you seem to hear about them performing well in an emergency.

Question for people more knowledgeable than I. Would it be possible for a volunteer security person to get a license to carry a concealed weapon in most states?

[hitekredneck]

The prez should absolutely give this lady some kind of recognition.

But getting back to training and it's importance, most people loose their ability to think and react normally under extreme stress (like when facing a life or death situation). Correct me if I'm wrong, but the training you got in the military, and the training police or professional security get, allows you to operate instinctively, or automatically, if you will. If you pull out a weapon and then hesitate, you will be shot for sure.

I think any big organization should look at recruiting people within their ranks to do this kind of security. I'm not so sure about rent-a-cops, rarely do you seem to hear about them performing well in an emergency.

Question for people more knowledgeable than I. Would it be possible for a volunteer security person to get a license to carry a concealed weapon in most states?

so far as i'm aware, being a security person, volunteer or otherwise, has no bearings on whether you can obtain a cc permit....here in colorado, you MUST take a personal defense course in order to recieve said permit, and most courses offered here are nra certified, which actually does have standings across the country as some of the best courses available....as for recruiting for security, most companies already know to look for prior military, as our training is the best in the world...or at least it was when i was in...lol

[Limbo]

so far as i'm aware, being a security person, volunteer or otherwise, has no bearings on whether you can obtain a cc permit....here in colorado, you MUST take a personal defense course in order to recieve said permit, and most courses offered here are nra certified, which actually does have standings across the country as some of the best courses available....as for recruiting for security, most companies already know to look for prior military, as our training is the best in the world...or at least it was when i was in...lol

Hey maybe you should start a thread and fill us in on some of the basics of what the military teaches you. To me, I think there is a certain surrealness to a dangerous situation, like a nutcase walking into a church/mall/whatever with a gun. I think many people would think it was a prank or a joke and not react in time. There must be some way to accurately recognize the danger and act without hesitation. Out on the battlefield, you expect danger, but you don't in a mall or a church.

[hitekredneck]

Hey maybe you should start a thread and fill us in on some of the basics of what the military teaches you. To me, I think there is a certain surrealness to a dangerous situation, like a nutcase walking into a church/mall/whatever with a gun. I think many people would think it was a prank or a joke and not react in time. There must be some way to accurately recognize the danger and act without hesitation. Out on the battlefield, you expect danger, but you don't in a mall or a church.

i wouldn't have a problem with that, limbo, but in all seriousness, my training from my grandfather started the whole shebang, and it had more to do with hunting and outdoor survival...to be quite honest, it has more to do with being able to recognize a dangerous situation without panic than anything else....i'm actually pretty fortunate to be taught as i have been, aside from the military training...i also read prodigously, all sorts of subjects, and whether you believe it or not, you can pick up loads of useful information from books....of course, you also have to remember that my upbringing involved being raised in a predominately black neighborhood in the projects of houston texas at a time when houston held the dubious honor of having the highest violent crime rate in the us....i've been shot, stabbed, blown up, and ran over...so as you can see, i'm familiar with those situations and will react differently from other people....if i'm in a mall, unarmed, and some asswipe starts spraying bullets, in most cases i would take cover until a pause in fire, then look for the most reasonable way to end the threat, without endangering any other lives, if possible...at least that's how i hope i would react...

[Walter Weiss]

Hey maybe you should start a thread and fill us in on some of the basics of what the military teaches you. To me, I think there is a certain surrealness to a dangerous situation, like a nutcase walking into a church/mall/whatever with a gun. I think many people would think it was a prank or a joke and not react in time. There must be some way to accurately recognize the danger and act without hesitation. Out on the battlefield, you expect danger, but you don't in a mall or a church.

Anyone that defends the helpless is a noble person. Any tool that helps someone defend helpless beings is a good tool. Firearms both save lives and take lives. Having a firearm at the right place and the right time to save the lives of defenseless people is a good thing. In order for that to work well, one must have at least some basic skills with the firearm that would probably start with safety....and then move on to nomenclature, skill levels, and finally combat techniques at varying skill levels.

Most handgun combat between cops and robbers erupts at 10 feet or less. I have seen situations in which both the cop and the robber fire off all their ammunition in a second or two, and neither hit the other. I have seen situations where one shot is fired, and someone hits the pavement before they can deploy a weapon that has just been displayed prior to being fired. I am aware of a situation in which someone fired 4 shots from 70 yards in quick succession with a common 9mm pistol, and dropped and killed someone that was firing at people around parked aircraft with a submachine gun.

In handgun combat, many times, you already have a hole blown in your midsection before you ever get your weapon out and on the target. Many wounded people win gun fights. There is a particular mindset that must be achieved and a certain conviction that must come in to play in order to increase your odds of surviving and stopping your target.

I know of one person who had such a mindset back in the 70's when four gunmen in a middle-Eastern theatre armed with submachine guns approached his vehicle from 4 different directions, and demanded he get out of the vehicle at gun point. He was an executive with an oil company. He killed all four of them in a matter of seconds from a sitting position inside of the vehicle - 4 different directions - some shots fired out of the car through window glass - while they chewed the car to pieces with submachinegun fire from only a few feet away. Not one bullet struck him in the car, and he killed all 4 with six revolver shots (.357) in a matter of seconds. He was a novice gunman. He refused to become a victim.

Gunfights are almost unpredictable....there is always that chance shot....but with training on the weapon and on techniques, and more importantly on the subject of mindsets, you can increase your odds of suriviving an armed encounter by destroying your attacker before he can destroy you or anyone else. The mindset could be the most important factor.

[hitekredneck]

Anyone that defends the helpless is a noble person. Any tool that helps someone defend helpless beings is a good tool. Firearms both save lives and take lives. Having a firearm at the right place and the right time to save the lives of defenseless people is a good thing. In order for that to work well, one must have at least some basic skills with the firearm that would probably start with safety....and then move on to nomenclature, skill levels, and finally combat techniques at varying skill levels.

Most handgun combat between cops and robbers erupts at 10 feet or less. I have seen situations in which both the cop and the robber fire off all their ammunition in a second or two, and neither hit the other. I have seen situations where one shot is fired, and someone hits the pavement before they can deploy a weapon that has just been displayed prior to being fired. I am aware of a situation in which someone fired 4 shots from 70 yards in quick succession with a common 9mm pistol, and dropped and killed someone that was firing at people around parked aircraft with a submachine gun.

In handgun combat, many times, you already have a hole blown in your midsection before you ever get your weapon out and on the target. Many wounded people win gun fights. There is a particular mindset that must be achieved and a certain conviction that must come in to play in order to increase your odds of surviving and stopping your target.

I know of one person who had such a mindset back in the 70's when four gunmen in a middle-Eastern theatre armed with submachine guns approached his vehicle from 4 different directions, and demanded he get out of the vehicle at gun point. He was an executive with an oil company. He killed all four of them in a matter of seconds from a sitting position inside of the vehicle - 4 different directions - some shots fired out of the car through window glass - while they chewed the car to pieces with submachinegun fire from only a few feet away. Not one bullet struck him in the car, and he killed all 4 with six revolver shots (.357) in a matter of seconds. He was a novice gunman. He refused to become a victim.

Gunfights are almost unpredictable....there is always that chance shot....but with training on the weapon and on techniques, and more importantly on the subject of mindsets, you can increase your odds of suriviving an armed encounter by destroying your attacker before he can destroy you or anyone else. The mindset could be the most important factor.

very well said, walter...don't forget that upbringing plays a big role in how you react as well...firefights are always unpredictable....

[Limbo]

of course, you also have to remember that my upbringing involved being raised in a predominately black neighborhood in the projects of houston texas at a time when houston held the dubious honor of having the highest violent crime rate in the us....i've been shot, stabbed, blown up, and ran over...

OMG, that's bad. You've done well for yourself considering how you started out.



if i'm in a mall, unarmed, and some asswipe starts spraying bullets, in most cases i would take cover until a pause in fire, then look for the most reasonable way to end the threat, without endangering any other lives, if possible...at least that's how i hope i would react...

What if you were armed? Still take cover until there is a lull? If there is a lull in firing, could it not be that he is scanning the area and may spot you even easier if you pop your head up?

[hitekredneck]

OMG, that's bad. You've done well for yourself considering how you started out.



What if you were armed? Still take cover until there is a lull? If there is a lull in firing, could it not be that he is scanning the area and may spot you even easier if you pop your head up?

thanks for the profs, but i owe it all to my wife...without her, i'ld be dead or in prison....to answer your question, it would depend entirely upon the shooters position and weapon as well as what i'm shooting...if i'm using my glock, i'll need to get within 100ft of the shooter to guarantee a decent chance of stopping them...

[Prometheus]

You stupid bastard....you advocate murder, I protest you, and you call ME Hitler??? Junior, I dont know if it is drugs you are taking, or drugs you ought to be taking, but there is every indication here that you are becoming highly unstable, and a danger to other people. I do hope you realize some of the things you are doing and saying. Someone is liable to suffer an injury, and you are probably destined for a jail cell. Please, get hold of yourself.

Unfortunatly, when faced with a strong arguement or facts most people on this ite can't do anything but insult you because they cant come up with anything more intelligent to say. Typical.:(