Jack Kevorkian

[hkdbadreligion]

I know this is "so a decade ago" but I believe he should not be in jail. He euthinized people just as vets do animals with terminal illnesses.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I've never heard of this Jack Kevorkian....who was he and why does he belong in jail?:confused:

[bullshitter]

Jack Kevorkian was put in jail for assisted suicide. What he did was his patients asked him to kill them because they were living in agony. So he took them out in his van and killed them humanely.

[getinit]

That was fricken crazy. That guy deserved what he got. If you do not have the consent of the family. Then you shouldnt be able to do a damn thing.

[freakazoid]

A friend of mine used to send out (by mail) a certificate to people he disliked - a lot - for one free vist to Jack Kevorkian's office. :D

[hkdbadreligion]

That was fricken crazy. That guy deserved what he got. If you do not have the consent of the family. Then you shouldnt be able to do a damn thing.
Consent of the Family? The persons were able to speak for themselves. They knew they were dying and wanted to go in a less painful way... and less of a mess than blowing out their brains. The reason he went to jail was because of one individual who at the last minute didnt want to go through with it and Jack continued(well, not really continued... he just didnt stop the machine. The patient is the one who starts it, otherwise it wouldnt be suicide), believing that the person did really want to do it but had doubts like anyone would.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

[QUOTE=hkdbadreligion]Consent of the Family? The persons were able to speak for themselves. They knew they were dying and wanted to go in a less painful way... and less of a mess than blowing out their brains.[QUOTE]


Without at least the consent of the family, how does one know that a person really wanted to die? If anyone is suffering so much that death is required, then the family should obviously be able to see this and help out. When you die, you are not the only one losing your life, everyone who is affected by you is losing your life as well. Those who are closest to you ought to be able to vouch for your pains and need to pass on. Your life may belong to you more than anyone else, but you need to give consideration to the others who will be affected as well.

[hkdbadreligion]

Apparently his patients didnt care enough to get family consent.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Apparently his patients didnt care enough to get family consent.

That's not their fault, it's his. He is the one who commits the act, regardless of who wanted it performed, so he needs to take the extra responsibility to tie up all the loose ends.

[Blum19]

Before some people start talking about the man, do a little history check before ragging or defending the situation. ive read many books by the man or about the man and have done many reports on him.
1) 95% of the people he helped had their full FAMILY BEHIND THEM. almost all the patients families were in full support.
2)he was jailed because assisted suicide is illegal, not because of one guy, just cause simply it was illegal, even the ones that did go threw he was getting investigated before this one incident.
3) look up his machines, you dont start them up, he didnt keep going with the machine on and guy try to back out. every device was rigged with a button/switch that the PATIENT had to push to activate the ingredients which happend instantly to eject, so one push, not even a second later hes injected, which then KEVORKIAN didnt keep on going with the guy not wanting to, the GUY DID IT HIMSELF..

The assisted means he gives them the machine and explains how the machine works. besides building the machine and explaining it, when the process goes on, he has nothing to do there but watch. and actually it was said that 85% of the time there was a family member there.. so he had alot and alot of family consent..
so should he be jail, i dont think so cause its a persons free will if they believe they should go. he didnt help out a perfectly healthy person, he helped the agonized and very sick ones. but its the law, you cant do that, so thats why hes in jail.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

In that case, it sounds like he doesn't deserve to be in jail, but the laws need to change accordingly before he is released.

[hkdbadreligion]

true dat. There must have been false claims by witnesses, or not really witnesses just people in the area. Some or someone claimed to hear screams coming from the van. If it happened instantly and the patient pressed the button themself, there would be no screams.

[Blum19]

your right there must of beenfalse claims because his techniques inflict no pain whatsoever, zero. so why scream if no pain haha

[Nobody]

Before some people start talking about the man, do a little history check before ragging or defending the situation. ive read many books by the man or about the man and have done many reports on him.
1) 95% of the people he helped had their full FAMILY BEHIND THEM. almost all the patients families were in full support.
2)he was jailed because assisted suicide is illegal, not because of one guy, just cause simply it was illegal, even the ones that did go threw he was getting investigated before this one incident.
3) look up his machines, you dont start them up, he didnt keep going with the machine on and guy try to back out. every device was rigged with a button/switch that the PATIENT had to push to activate the ingredients which happend instantly to eject, so one push, not even a second later hes injected, which then KEVORKIAN didnt keep on going with the guy not wanting to, the GUY DID IT HIMSELF..

The assisted means he gives them the machine and explains how the machine works. besides building the machine and explaining it, when the process goes on, he has nothing to do there but watch. and actually it was said that 85% of the time there was a family member there.. so he had alot and alot of family consent..
so should he be jail, i dont think so cause its a persons free will if they believe they should go. he didnt help out a perfectly healthy person, he helped the agonized and very sick ones. but its the law, you cant do that, so thats why hes in jail.
everything you summarised on, was published in the newspaper. How many books? 1 or 2? If you read more than 1. you're really morbid!

[Blum19]

who the hell are u to come in and critisize people? u think ur cool and get a good chuckle cause u think ur going to embarass me? first off I DIDNT read it in the newspaper you jackoff and second of all i started reading about it AFTER IT HAPPENED! so yeah u know i looked up old newspapers, good one tool. second of all ive read alot of books written by him to see what he has to say and what his perspectives are cause he is a very smart man. and ive done alot of this research cause i written alot of papers on him in highschool and college. if ive written on him before ill write on him again because it will be easier paper to write on something ive written on before. and i research more into it every time to try and find something new. so go critisize someone else asshole. and second of all i GURANTEE they didnt state all of that in the newspaper. usually when something happens they will talk about a specific event in the paper not go in depth research style on it. they will talk about a current event and not what i typed. so go read ur archie comics and shut the hell up..

[Nobody]

who the hell are u to come in and critisize people? u think ur cool and get a good chuckle cause u think ur going to embarass me? first off I DIDNT read it in the newspaper you jackoff and second of all i started reading about it AFTER IT HAPPENED! so yeah u know i looked up old newspapers, good one tool. second of all ive read alot of books written by him to see what he has to say and what his perspectives are cause he is a very smart man. and ive done alot of this research cause i written alot of papers on him in highschool and college. if ive written on him before ill write on him again because it will be easier paper to write on something ive written on before. and i research more into it every time to try and find something new. so go critisize someone else asshole. and second of all i GURANTEE they didnt state all of that in the newspaper. usually when something happens they will talk about a specific event in the paper not go in depth research style on it. they will talk about a current event and not what i typed. so go read ur archie comics and shut the hell up..
Well DR.Richard Carainium. It was publicised in print, and on the national news, in explicit detail. It wasn't printed all the first day. But it was printed. Its trivial, no one cares but you. So take your writings and newspapers, and use them the same way you would a supository!

[Blum19]

dude all u do is rag on people but u look like a fucking idiot? use a fucking spell check or reread what you type cause u make no fucking sense

[Nobody]

dude all u do is rag on people but u look like a fucking idiot? use a fucking spell check or reread what you type cause u make no fucking sense
Maybe to you. ( an individual whose idol is DR. Jack ), otherwise, who gives a rats ass about how I spell, or dr. fucking jack, other than you! DON'T FUCKING CARE!

[hkdbadreligion]

Yada Yada Yada. Children! Children! Stop your bickering. It doesnt matter who gives a rat's ass about what or who has obtained a proper education. Let's just chill out and go have a drink.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I was just watching some South Park today and realized that I actually had heard of Kevorkian before this post, I just didn't realize it. In the first season, the episode labeled Death talks about Stan assisting his grandfather with suicide and makes a comment about him. Another later episode where the guys are trying to keep some Romanian chicks in America to build their own Circue De Seville references him too, but much less obviously. A protest group is bitching about Romania for trying to force the girls to go home, and one guy comes up with the wrong sign. When he realizes it he flips through his protest signs, (obviously a professional protester) until he finds the right one. One of the signs that he flipped across said "Free Kevorkian." Shows how you really need to pay attention to everything going on in that show to get all the jokes.

[hkdbadreligion]

If I gave a kid a gun and locked him in a steel box for a couple days and he ended up shooting himself... would that count as assisted suicide?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

If I gave a kid a gun and locked him in a steel box for a couple days and he ended up shooting himself... would that count as assisted suicide?

No, I think that the U.S. court system would see that as straight out murder, especially since its a child. Even if you hadn't given the kid a gun he still would have died in a couple days without nourishment while locked inside your box.

[hkdbadreligion]

Murder? But I didnt touch the kid. I threw a Snickers bar into the box and he willingly climbed in. How bout that?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

uh-huh....and who is the more intelligent of the two of you? Which of the two of you would more likely have realized that the stupid little bastard would have died in this situation? If you knew he was locked in and couldn't get out, why didn't you do anything to fix this? There are plenty more similar questions with obvious answers that would put a sling around your neck. Pretty open/shut case.

[jacktheripper]

That was fricken crazy. That guy deserved what he got. If you do not have the consent of the family. Then you shouldnt be able to do a damn thing.


Actuly the family should have nothing at all to do with it.. Primarily it is the wishes of the person who wants to die we should be concerned with.

Quite frankly assisted suicide in this country should be allowed.. As long as there is ample proof that THAT is the wishes of the person in question.

Humm Wait a min.. Its allready taking place.. Whats that? Yep .. Its called a DNR order Do not resusitate.. Also what do you think it is when they allow someone to starve to death? or sufficate to death ? When they pull the plug on the ventalator??

^ happens every day acrosed the country..

Me.. If i had some kind of illness/was a vegitable/etc.. i sure as hell wouldn't want to go on living. And forcing someone to continue in such a state is a cruelity of unimaginable proportions.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Humm Wait a min.. Its allready taking place.. Whats that? Yep .. Its called a DNR order Do not resusitate.. Also what do you think it is when they allow someone to starve to death? or sufficate to death ? When they pull the plug on the ventalator??


Well, the DNR is a bit different from what I'm hearing this Kevorkian guy did. The DNR is telling them not to try to keep you alive. These people Kevorkian was "treating" didn't need help to stay alive, they needed help to die in peace. If noone had done anything, the Kevorkian victims would still be alive while the DNR victims would be dead. The problem is with how the effort is made.



Me.. If i had some kind of illness/was a vegitable/etc.. i sure as hell wouldn't want to go on living. And forcing someone to continue in such a state is a cruelity of unimaginable proportions.


And there is no reason that this wish should be rejected, as long as it has been properly documented. But people for some reason have a problem with killing one's self intentionally, and I personally am not quite sure where I stand on the issue. Convince me which side is the most logical.

[Nobody]

If I gave a kid a gun and locked him in a steel box for a couple days and he ended up shooting himself... would that count as assisted suicide?
Only if you provided to the individual, Water, at least. Maybe their last cigarette, if nothing else.

[hkdbadreligion]

Ok. So the kid could get out of the box... somehow. But it would be so difficult that you'd probably starve before you figure out how. So.. the kid has the gun to shoot him/herself when he/she gives up trying and doesnt want to starve to death...or something like that.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Ok. So the kid could get out of the box... somehow. But it would be so difficult that you'd probably starve before you figure out how. So.. the kid has the gun to shoot him/herself when he/she gives up trying and doesnt want to starve to death...or something like that.

It's a kid, you supplied the materials that killed him knowing it was this likely he would die. You're guilty, end of story. Lethal injection. Next criminal.

[hkdbadreligion]

Alright then. Nevermind. Forget about it.
Should someone with AIDS who gives it to someone else be considered a murderer?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Alright then. Nevermind. Forget about it.
Should someone with AIDS who gives it to someone else be considered a murderer?

Only if it was given in such a manner that COULD have been conciously avoided and the AIDS person didn't inform the receiver beforehand.

[Nobody]

Alright then. Nevermind. Forget about it.
Should someone with AIDS who gives it to someone else be considered a murderer?
Only if it was someone you cared about! WTF?

[hkdbadreligion]

"WTF?" WTF? So.. if someone I care about got AIDS, the person who gave it to them could be a murderer and if someone gave it to anyone else they're not a murderer. Perfect sense.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

"WTF?" WTF? So.. if someone I care about got AIDS, the person who gave it to them could be a murderer and if someone gave it to anyone else they're not a murderer. Perfect sense.


No, he's just a dumbass and doesn't know what he's saying, probably doesn't even know what he's TRYING to say.

[hkdbadreligion]

He must have AIDS cuz he seems pretty offended.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yea, that must be it....Nobody has AIDS. I guess we can stop worrying about the issue then!

[hkdbadreligion]

I Want To Conquer the World. Africa will be the prison of the world. Everyone with contagious fatal disease will be locked here, along with felons and morons. The Western Hemsiphere will be completely third world.

[Nobody]

"WTF?" WTF? So.. if someone I care about got AIDS, the person who gave it to them could be a murderer and if someone gave it to anyone else they're not a murderer. Perfect sense.
No man! I was being sarcastic. I really thought that was a loaded question. If someone had AIDS, and didn't know it, and could prove it.I don't think the prosicutors would push the issue, but if someone had it and they knew it. Absoluty its conspiracy to commit murder. The murder itself hasen't been committed, untill the victem dies.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Absoluty its conspiracy to commit murder. The murder itself hasen't been committed, untill the victem dies.


Maybe, but in all reality attempted murder is just as bad as successful murder.

[Nobody]

No, he's just a dumbass and doesn't know what he's saying, probably doesn't even know what he's TRYING to say.
I've been known to be a dumbass from time to time. But I call them 'stupid attacks'. And a lot of the time, I don't know what I'm talking about, I can't get the voices in my head to shut up long enough for me to think. Did I mention, I drink a little?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I've been known to be a dumbass from time to time. But I call them 'stupid attacks'. And a lot of the time, I don't know what I'm talking about, I can't get the voices in my head to shut up long enough for me to think. Did I mention, I drink a little?


So maybe a crazy alcoholic dumbass. At least you understand it. The next step is to start changing your life for the better. Try first to make at least one of those traits less pragmatic.

[Nobody]

So maybe a crazy alcoholic dumbass. At least you understand it. The next step is to start changing your life for the better. Try first to make at least one of those traits less pragmatic.
No! I'm not a quitter.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

There's no shame in quitting something that's bad for you. It takes strength to quit the bad, and strength to avoid quitting what's good. You can gain no pride by choosing a path which requires no strength.

[Nobody]

There's no shame in quitting something that's bad for you. It takes strength to quit the bad, and strength to avoid quitting what's good. You can gain no pride by choosing a path which requires no strength.
But you don't understand. I do have strength. Just enough to lift a 12 oz. bottle. Dosent that count? Besides. Who says its bad? It isn't "THEY" is it? I've heard of them. I've heard, and I quote: "THEY say you shouldn't strike your kids in anger". Well when are you supposed to whip these dudes? When your feelling festive? never mind. its a joke. I just had 2 more graduate highschool yesterday. 4 down, 1 to go.

[Nobody]

Theres a lot of old doctors that tell me that I'de better start slowing it down, but theres more old drunks, than there are old doctors, so I guess I better have another round!

[hkdbadreligion]

Well... Kevorkian isnt getting himself outta jail! So get to work.

[Nobody]

Well... Kevorkian isnt getting himself outta jail! So get to work.
Oh, but he is. Because of his failing health, his attorneys are working on that now. Was on the national news last week. I'm surprised that other dude didn't comment already.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So out of jail and into a hospital bed, I wonder whitch is better. Having been in Emergency Care for three weeks myself, I know that I never want to go back to that again....but I haven't spent a night in jail yet, so who knows?

[Paisleyspeaker]

The $35,000 question:
Now that his own health is failing , will he want to commit assisted suicide? and who will help him?
I think the olny real objections to be raised are the religious, God has "set his cannon gainst self slaughter".
But as far as changing the law, look how we treat our elderly. they get shoved into nursing homes to hurry up and die, so their "loved Ones" can collect. if there was legal assisted suicide these same cretians would just kill gramps off. Especcially if the emphasis was put on familial consent. And if you don't think they are left to die, go and visit a nursing home, my moher has worked at them all my life, and I know how angry she gets when her clients families forget holiday after holiday and they get more and more depressed.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

That is really sad, I do wish I had visited my grandparents more. But two of them were in a Nursing Home all the way over in California, so I never really found the chance to schedule a trip half way accross the country. But when my parents have to settle for this I will be making certain that I visit as often as I can, because I love them so much that I will enjoy it almost as much as they do. (I would have said just as much, but I know how even tiny surprises change the day of someone who is all by themselves like this).

[Paisleyspeaker]

I might have been a little too mean, there are people whose families do come, some all the time, and some just on the holidays. My mother would bring my sister and I to visit them. It has givin me empathy. Half a country away, you hava a good excuse. Did your grandparents choose that? is there family close? It makes it easier on everyone.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I might have been a little too mean, there are people whose families do come, some all the time, and some just on the holidays. My mother would bring my sister and I to visit them. It has givin me empathy. Half a country away, you hava a good excuse. Did your grandparents choose that? is there family close? It makes it easier on everyone.


Yes, three of their 5 living children were in California. The only downside is that 5 Grandchildren are here in Minnesota with none in California. Two of the MN grandkids (my cousins), never really knew Grandma and Grandpa much at all.