"The Atheists Delusion" - A Piss Poor Presentation

[freakazoid]

"The Atheists Delusion" - A Piss Poor Presentation

Click Here (http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/)

If you have a brain, you'll get the point. If you have no brain, you'll never get it and it would be best to forget what you saw and heard lest you end up with a terrible headache and a rash.

[MrJim]

"The Atheists Delusion" - A Piss Poor Presentation

Click Here (http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/)

If you have a brain, you'll get the point. If you have no brain, you'll never get it and it would be best to forget what you saw and heard lest you end up with a terrible headache and a rash.

SWEET! A Counter-video… I'll have to check it out when I'm at home!

[freakazoid]

SWEET! A Counter-video… I'll have to check it out when I'm at home!

http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif MJ, After you check out my first post in this thread, check out...

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Atheist_Delusion.html

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

I happen to be very familiar with the work of Edward Current. I liked his "God Delusion Index Test" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCX0JJ16dFM)

[General Septem]

"The Atheists Delusion" - A Piss Poor Presentation

Click Here (http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/)

If you have a brain, you'll get the point. If you have no brain, you'll never get it and it would be best to forget what you saw and heard lest you end up with a terrible headache and a rash.

You do realize that this is a joke, right? A funny one, at that. Hilarious. :D

Check out the sequel:

http://deludedmailbag.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[Limbo]

You do realize that this is a joke, right? A funny one, at that. Hilarious. :D

Check out the sequel:

http://deludedmailbag.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

strawman as usual. just another way to put words in Christians mouths that no educated Christian would say. I don't think it is meant to be a joke since it is on a highly political left wing website.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

strawman as usual. just another way to put words in Christians mouths that no educated Christian would say. I don't think it is meant to be a joke since it is on a highly political left wing website.

:p

No, it's a joke

Check the YouTube edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU)

What does it say in the description? It says, "YES, this is a SATIRE".

EDIT: This is on the guys site:


My videos are comedies.

[General Septem]

strawman as usual. just another way to put words in Christians mouths that no educated Christian would say. I don't think it is meant to be a joke since it is on a highly political left wing website.

Of course it's a joke. Not everyone is out to destroy all religion, you know. Some just want to make fun of the assholes. Kind of like this:

http://www.seetobylive.com/images/vegans.jpg

Not really a strawman, just damn funny.

In any event, the video was directed towards those who were offended by The God Delusion. Anyone who would be pissed off by a book written by someone whose personal beliefs conflict with their own deserves to be ridiculed. No atheist ever tried to lynch any of the millions of religious authors for any of their boring drivel. That's because atheists understand that the first amendment protects EVERYONE, not just themselves.

[Limbo]

GS, your link was to the huffingtonpost. That is the dregs of the Internet. Trust me, they really do want to secularize the U.S., that is just a matter of fact. You are being naive again.

Don't you remember OWLAFAYE? That is the kind of stuff he LOVED because he could set up a strawman and then hide behind the fact it was a supposed joke. Note that you are agreement here with someone called the spectacular secularist on this one.:rolleyes:

I do agree though, they are not out to destroy religion, just orthodox Christianity. It pisses them off because it claims there are moral absolutes which they find distasteful because it gets in the way of their political agenda.



No atheist ever tried to lynch any of the millions of religious authors for any of their boring drivel. That's because atheists understand that the first amendment protects EVERYONE, not just themselves.


Aren't you forgetting about the commies here? They killed plenty of Christians, and they could have given a rat's ass about the American constitution.



Anyone who would be pissed off by a book written by someone whose personal beliefs conflict with their own deserves to be ridiculed.

I find Mein Kampf makes me sick and I find Hitler's beliefs contradict mine. Do I deserve to be ridiculed for that?

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

GS, your link was to the huffingtonpost. That is the dregs of the Internet. Trust me, they really do want to secularize the U.S., that is just a matter of fact. You are being naive again.

Maybe, but Eddie Current just want to play around and make jokes.

And of course, get publicity.


Note that you are agreement here with someone called the spectacular secularist on this one.:rolleyes:

I've explained in an other thread that:


I AM The Spectacular Secualrist and I don't give a Good God Damn if My Country is not.

I guess I do a little if it become this absolute Theocracy but I don't see that happening.

[freakazoid]

You do realize that this is a joke, right? A funny one, at that. Hilarious. :D

Check out the sequel:

http://deludedmailbag.cf.huffingtonpost.com/


It is a joke, that is correct. But, the point he was making is serious, it is not that there is not plenty of ways a person could intelligently argue for the existence of God, but his point is that Dawkins argues JUST AS PATHETICALLY and with as little proof of his claim of the non-existence of God. Dawkins is an idiot, and sadly, he expects his readers to except blindly his idiocy without demanding far better proof of what he claims...i.e., "God does not exists." Only a moron would try to argue that God does not exists. As I have said before; "Dawkins is an ignorant and arrogant moron masquerading as an intellectual."

Consider...to state in fact that God does not exists, one would have to have searched every possible time, place, dimension, existence - in and even out of our universe without leaving out any place any where any time throughout all of time and creation before one could state with absolute certainty that God does not exists...NO ONE has even come close to doing so.

The fool has said in his heart "there is no God."
- King David


Dawkins...you are nothing more than a useful fool.

[MrJim]

Hmmm.... okay, freak, just saw it, and it is obviously not the counterpoint video I thought it might be. Actually, it seemed pretty childish - Was this a jab at Dawkins' rhetoric, or a jab at anyone countering Dawkins?


Instead, in terms of debating the theory of evolution, these days you’re either for Darwin, or you are labelled a religious nutter.

Very true. And I hate that label.

[MrJim]

...but his point is that Dawkins argues JUST AS PATHETICALLY and with as little proof of his claim of the non-existence of God. Dawkins is an idiot, and sadly, he expects his readers to except blindly his idiocy without demanding far better proof of what he claims...

Ah... I see you posted this right as I was responding... so you think it WAS a jab at Dawkins' rhetoric? I mean, it could also be interpreted as anyone questioning Dawkins' work being a dumbass, since the guy that made the video wasn't really going for credibility here :D

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

Consider...to state in fact that God does not exists, one would have to have searched every possible time, place, dimension, existence - in and even out of our universe without leaving out any place any where any time throughout all of time and creation before one could state with absolute certainly that God does not exists...NO ONE has even come close to doing so.

But if you would state with absolute certainly that God does, infact, exist, you would have to do the same thing? Right?

[General Septem]

GS, your link was to the huffingtonpost. That is the dregs of the Internet. Trust me, they really do want to secularize the U.S., that is just a matter of fact. You are being naive again.

I didn't link to anything. In any event, I don't know dick about the site but I saw the video. It's not going to convince anyone of anything, it's just something funny.


Note that you are agreement here with someone called the spectacular secularist on this one.:rolleyes:

So because someone calls himself secular, I cannot agree with him on anything? Now you're starting to sound like the Muslims.


I do agree though, they are not out to destroy religion, just orthodox Christianity. It pisses them off because it claims there are moral absolutes which they find distasteful because it gets in the way of their political agenda.

It pisses me off when these moral absolutes are imposed on everyone. I don't care if anyone personally chooses to follow them. You don't have the right to sleep soundly knowing that I and everyone else on this planet prays to your own god every night. You aren't entitled to the moral high ground associated with "saving" everyone from an eternity of fire and darkness. God gave us reason so that we might find him in our own way. He would be disappointed to know that so many people


Aren't you forgetting about the commies here? They killed plenty of Christians, and they could have given a rat's ass about the American constitution.

I'm not saying all atheists are saints, just like I'm not saying all non-atheists are. I'm not an atheist, I just happen to disagree with religious fundamentalism.

In any case, communism is almost its own religious organization to begin with. No god, but the same annoying habits that the fundies have.


I find Mein Kampf makes me sick and I find Hitler's beliefs contradict mine. Do I deserve to be ridiculed for that?

Hitler's beliefs don't just contradict yours, they also involve the mass genocide of Jews, Poles, and people without blond hair and blue eyes. There is a big difference between someone with a difference of opinion and someone who initiates violence against someone else. The difference of opinion doesn't mean dick. The violence does.

[freakazoid]

Hmmm.... okay, freak, just saw it, and it is obviously not the counterpoint video I thought it might be. Actually, it seemed pretty childish - Was this a jab at Dawkins' rhetoric, or a jab at anyone countering Dawkins?



Very true. And I hate that label.

It was a jab at how silly Dawkins is in attempting to disprove the reality of God. Dawkins expects us to have a low of a standard of proof. Hey, if Dawkins can childish, why can't believers in God be just a childish and also expect everyone to believe it?

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

It was a jab at how silly Dawkins is in attempting to disprove the reality of God.

No it's jab at how silly fundamentalist christians are.

[Limbo]

I didn't link to anything. In any event, I don't know dick about the site but I saw the video. It's not going to convince anyone of anything, it's just something funny.


it was this link


You do realize that this is a joke, right? A funny one, at that. Hilarious. :D

Check out the sequel:

http://deludedmailbag.cf.huffingtonpost.com/




So because someone calls himself secular, I cannot agree with him on anything? Now you're starting to sound like the Muslims.


Well if you agree with him about issues involving religion and politics, it kind of says something about where your at these days, but don't read too much into it.



It pisses me off when these moral absolutes are imposed on everyone. I don't care if anyone personally chooses to follow them. You don't have the right to sleep soundly knowing that I and everyone else on this planet prays to your own god every night. You aren't entitled to the moral high ground associated with "saving" everyone from an eternity of fire and darkness. God gave us reason so that we might find him in our own way. He would be disappointed to know that so many people


I believe in the separation of Church and state, so I don't want to see any particular belief system forced on anybody, especially me:D. You can pray to anybody or anything you want, or not pray at all, it's your choice.

Still, we have to make choices about controversial issues like abortion, gay marriage, scientific experiments with human embryos, and so on. Do the opinions of people with religious views not count for some reason as many on the left think should be the case?

God has the moral high ground, not me. I am just defending my beliefs and debating with people I think don't really understand Christianity or what forms it's core beliefs or it's history.



I'm not saying all atheists are saints, just like I'm not saying all non-atheists are. I'm not an atheist, I just happen to disagree with religious fundamentalism.


All forms of extremism are bad. That's why I don't like most of the assholes who write for huffingtonpost.com.

Just curious how you would define a Christian fundamentalist? A lot depends on your definition of that term.



Hitler's beliefs don't just contradict yours, they also involve the mass genocide of Jews, Poles, and people without blond hair and blue eyes. There is a big difference between someone with a difference of opinion and someone who initiates violence against someone else. The difference of opinion doesn't mean dick. The violence does.

You are equivocating a bit here I think. "Beliefs" includes how you feel about the use of violence, and everything else for that matter, doesn't it? Actions tend to flow from what you believe.

[General Septem]

Well if you agree with him about issues involving religion and politics, it kind of says something about where your at these days, but don't read too much into it.

I'm not an atheist, I'm a deist. I believe in God, I just don't believe that God would give us the power of reason if he was planning on giving us a 1-1/2-inch thick book explaining who exactly he is.


Still, we have to make choices about controversial issues like abortion, gay marriage, scientific experiments with human embryos, and so on. Do the opinions of people with religious views not count for some reason as many on the left think should be the case?

No, people's opinions do not count because this country is founded on freedom, not mob rule. Allowing abortion does not affect anyone's choice; outlawing it does. I may not like something, but that doesn't mean nobody should do it. The difference is that I have no intention of forcing my opinion on anyone.

And gay marriage? Are you kidding me? Why should your opinion or mine even be considered? I'm not gay, I'm assuming you're not gay, so who gives a fuck if they allow it or not? How does this affect your life in the least?


God has the moral high ground, not me. I am just defending my beliefs and debating with people I think don't really understand Christianity or what forms it's core beliefs or it's history.

That's fair enough, but when I was a Catholic I always defended the faith from people whom I thought misunderstood the church. Now that I can look at it subjectively, I see that they were largely right.


Just curious how you would define a Christian fundamentalist? A lot depends on your definition of that term.

Something to do with adamantly believing the earth is flat and that it's only 6000 years old, even though we know otherwise and the bible was never meant to be a science book. People are free to believe in this, but not to force that belief on others.


You are equivocating a bit here I think. "Beliefs" includes how you feel about the use of violence, and everything else for that matter, doesn't it? Actions tend to flow from what you believe.

Here I must disagree. I may believe it is alright to use violence (which I don't, but I also define violence differently than most do), but that doesn't mean I will initiate violence against anyone. Outcasting others for what they believe is discrimination.

[Limbo]

I'm not an atheist, I'm a deist. I believe in God, I just don't believe that God would give us the power of reason if he was planning on giving us a 1-1/2-inch thick book explaining who exactly he is.

Without some confirmation about God's nature through revelation, we can't hope to know anything about him and we are just pissing in the dark, hoping to hit the toilet. We could guess there is some intelligence behind things, but maybe there are 3 gods, maybe we were created by a super race of space aliens, or????



That's fair enough, but when I was a Catholic I always defended the faith from people whom I thought misunderstood the church. Now that I can look at it subjectively, I see that they were largely right.

Snicker... Freudian slip there. I think you meant objectively:D, but anyway, I think catholicism has it's problems too, but there are many good Catholics I respect. I think there is tendency for the leadership to give the flock the mushroom treatment, especially before printed bibles were available and when most people were illiterate.



Something to do with adamantly believing the earth is flat and that it's only 6000 years old, even though we know otherwise and the bible was never meant to be a science book. People are free to believe in this, but not to force that belief on others.


Any kind of extreme viewpoints can be annoying but it is hard to generalize too much, as people often have complex viewpoints on things.



Here I must disagree. I may believe it is alright to use violence (which I don't, but I also define violence differently than most do), but that doesn't mean I will initiate violence against anyone. Outcasting others for what they believe is discrimination.

I think we need to fight and resist dangerous belief systems, either through debate, or through actions, as we have been doing with Muslim fanatics.

[MrJim]

It was a jab at how silly Dawkins is in attempting to disprove the reality of God. Dawkins expects us to have a low of a standard of proof. Hey, if Dawkins can childish, why can't believers in God be just a childish and also expect everyone to believe it?

Okay, well, if that was the original intent, right on! http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[General Septem]

Without some confirmation about God's nature through revelation, we can't hope to know anything about him and we are just pissing in the dark, hoping to hit the toilet. We could guess there is some intelligence behind things, but maybe there are 3 gods, maybe we were created by a super race of space aliens, or????

I find God through every day life. In a sense, I see God as the knowledge and wisdom of everything. When I learn something new, I am a better person for it.


Snicker... Freudian slip there. I think you meant objectively:D, but anyway, I think catholicism has it's problems too, but there are many good Catholics I respect. I think there is tendency for the leadership to give the flock the mushroom treatment, especially before printed bibles were available and when most people were illiterate.

It was not a Freudian slip, I get the two confused a lot. :D In any case, Catholicism has a very strong "all or nothing" stance, and it's something I see in nearly all religions. The ones that don't get called "wishy-washy" by everyone else. In that sense, I guess I could say that religion left me just as much as I left it.


I think we need to fight and resist dangerous belief systems, either through debate, or through actions, as we have been doing with Muslim fanatics.

These Muslim fanatics have been blowing up buildings. As long as they don't blow up buildings, or gather other people and incite them to blow up buildings, I don't care what they believe in. The problem is, most people who believe it is their duty to blow up buildings do so, but again it is the action that we have a right to fight against, not the belief. As long as people keep to themselves, we have no right to tell them what to believe in. Even if they're flat out wrong, it's still their right.

[freakazoid]

But if you would state with absolute certainly that God does, infact, exist, you would have to do the same thing? Right?

That is correct, except, if God is real, he is capable of proving that he is to anyone who wants such proof.

[MrJim]

That is correct, except, if God is real, he is capable of proving that he is to anyone who wants such proof.

Yeah, the thing is, some people have experiences that confirm to themselves that God does exist… others either have had none, or, more likely, deny the reality that God was involved in their experiences.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

That is correct, except, if God is real, he is capable of proving that he is to anyone who wants such proof.

That's true.

[Limbo]

Okay, well, if that was the original intent, right on! http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

I'm pretty sure it is a Jab at Christians in particular since he represents himself as a Christian in the thing and then talks like a retard and also because it is posted on huffingtonpost.com. You are right though in a sense. Even though I doubt it was intended that way, it actually is so bad that it makes fun of itself more than anything.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

I'm pretty sure it is a Jab at Christians in particular since he represents himself as a Christian in the thing and then talks like a retard and also because it is posted on huffingtonpost.com. You are right though in a sense. Even though I doubt it was intended that way, it actually is so bad that it makes fun of itself more than anything.

I think it's funny.

Not as funny as George Carlin, but funny enough. It's cute. It's makes you go "Oh, hehe, that's funny"

[1forall]

It is satire. It also happens to be funny but it is also a jab at christians.

[HeavyFr]

I think it's funny.

Not as funny as George Carlin, but funny enough. It's cute. It's makes you go "Oh, hehe, that's funny"
There are different kinds of laughter.

[tibore]

heheheh, lets get back to the 14th century!!!

[akeohane]

atheism was probably founded by a man who was to lazy to go to church:D

[hitekredneck]

atheism was probably founded by a man who was to lazy to go to church:D

dammit, i think we've found something to agree on :eek:

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

atheism was probably founded by a man who was to lazy to go to church:D

HA! True. :D

[WhiteRaven]

Church is boring. That's why it gets alot of people. being bored makes you half-asleep, you being half asleep makes it easy to hypnotize you...

[Mitya Karamazov]

God loves you , you ignorant Atheist bastard , why do you think He invented chocolate ?,,,

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

God loves you , you ignorant Atheist bastard , why do you think He invented chocolate ?,,,

People invented chocolate.