What about this

[vulcan]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.

[Nobody]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.
Does that mean they will have stables at the airport soon? DOES ANYBODY HAVE A SPARE CARRIER PIEGON TO LOAN? I may need to send a letter of inqueiry.

[jacktheripper]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.

1. Just how the hell is someone being (Gay/liberal/etc) effect you in the slightest?

Really people... When was the last time your life was effected because someone was (OMG!! Gay)

Get over it.. What others do is none of your beez wax.. Pay attenton to your own life and stop proving to everyone in the world your a fool.

No im not gay.. :) it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone i know is gay or not. Thats them.. Not me.. Maybe when you all grow up and become mature you will relize how foolish you really are.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

No im not gay.. :) it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone i know is gay or not. Thats them.. Not me.. Maybe when you all grow up and become mature you will relize how foolish you really are.

It's harder to do than you may think. Most of us were raised in a good American home which made it clear how wrong it is to be gay. I've done some thinking for myself and changed my views a bit since then, but I've still come to the conclusion that nature defines being gay as wrong. I accept gays, but am still a little uncomfortable around them, and I disagree with certain rights that they feel they should have.

[jacktheripper]

It's harder to do than you may think. Most of us were raised in a good American home which made it clear how wrong it is to be gay. I've done some thinking for myself and changed my views a bit since then, but I've still come to the conclusion that nature defines being gay as wrong. I accept gays, but am still a little uncomfortable around them, and I disagree with certain rights that they feel they should have.

So its a nature thing?

Hate to play the devils advocate :)

But there is PLENTY of photografic evidence on the net (Search google for "gay animals")

Being "GAY" has only become a social taboo over the last few hundred years. When religions saw it as a obstical to reproduction..

Entire massive societies and cultures in history embraced homosexuality and they were NOT harmed by it in the slightest. Greeks , Romans, Just to name a few.

Hum..Organised Religion has caused more bloodshed more violence more HATE then anything else in history... You are Brainwashed into thinking that everyone else is a sinner, evil doer, Heritic, Western infindel !! etc.. From birth.

Personaly i think for myself.. I dont allow others to dictate to me what i do and do not belive... And i am truely a free person because of this.

As t oyour remark "Most of us were raised in a good american home" That is a subjective remark.. I could take it that your saying i wasn't ? Or i could take it anyway i want. But i will not .

I was raised in a (As you say) "A good american family" actuly i would go so far as to say i was raised in a "Better then good american family" I was taught "Do not judge and criticize others so that you may not be judged yourselves. For just as you judge others you will be judged, and in accordance with the measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you. Why do you stare from without at the very small particle in your brother’s eye but do not become aware of the timber in your own eye? You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your brother’s eye." Matthew 7:1-3,5.

but alas . i am human.. I judge others just like everyone else.. But i do not judge people for petty things that do not effect me. Like their skin collor or who they want to have sex with. Quit frankly its none of my or anyone else damn buesness what other people do.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Personaly i think for myself.. I dont allow others to dictate to me what i do and do not belive... And i am truely a free person because of this.

I like to think for myself as much as possible also. I admit that I am brainwashed, everyone is, but I try to think beyond that. I'm still sickened by the act, and probably always will be, so I find comfort in defending my views against homosexuality in reason. It serves no purpose other than personal pleasure, and the act is something that is intended to serve the purpose of reproduction. The pleasure of it just makes the reproduction much more likely.

[vulcan]

We waste billions of dollar in treating homosexual in free clinics around the country, we are treating them against HIV and Hepatitis B and C, both male and female, ( both are transmited sexually not Hepatitis B but HIV and hep C)rigth now are flocking to free clinics in this country to get free treatment against any of these sickness, and this include blood tests on regular basis, and X-rays an etc. must of them are free because must of them are too sick to keep a job. and guess who is paying for that ?you and me, and all the billions of dollar wasted doing research, to save them. who pay those once again the tax payer. We are 1000 lightyears aways from a cure against cancer and diabetic, but we have to waste billions of dollars against Aids, and finding a cure.
Once again the homosexuals in this country affect the country negatively only 10 percent (maybe less) have children and take care of a family. So they dont help to the genetic pool of the country or to maintain our population or military.
I feel sorry for them, I really do... But if you think this is not affecting the economy of our country check again. One more time the fucking liberal are killing our way of life. FUCK BILL CLINTON. Just to add when BIlly called oral sex "not a sex act" our adolecent started having oral sex like never before, now we have a real outbrake of Herpes in young people's mouth another Clinton legacy he should burn in Hell. Well I think he is already doing this. And now his bitch wants to be president, hahhhahahahahha that's a good one...

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Some rather random rambling, but at least it's true....

[beelzebub]

We waste billions of dollar in treating homosexual in free clinics around the country, we are treating them against HIV and Hepatitis B and C, both male and female,..... but we have to waste billions of dollars against Aids, and finding a cure.
Once again the homosexuals in this country affect the country negatively only 10 percent (maybe less) have children and take care of a family. So they dont help to the genetic pool of the country or to maintain our population or military.

I think are the most ignorant person to write anything on this forum. Everything that you have said has severe logical issues and it is evident that have no idea what you write about. My conclusion: you are just trying to inflame. Get a life please!

[craka327]

Who cares about all that shit. The fact liberals are reproducing has me on a natural high. Of course it goes without saying that faggots aren't reproducting. So if libs aren't reproducing, eventually there will be no more and they won't be able to make any more faggots. THIS IS GREAT!!!!

By the way, bullshit.com is an excellent name choice for this site. Let's me come and dump all ma bullshit right here and leave it. ta-ta!

[vulcan]

I may be ignorant, and I may be stupid, and I may be a piece of shit but I dont waste time having sex with a guy like you do. You dont see that as a waste? I do. because you can spend 20 years with a guy and what do you get back? NOTHING. You spend 20 years with a woman, and In most cases you get a full house with children and dogs running around during the holidays. relationship unlimited and LOVE real LOVE no only sex. I dont know but I feel sorry for the Homos, they have a very sad "condition" and now they want to marry not only one guy but several. the same with the lesbos. very sad case, very very very sad case. You are right I am nothing and probably I am just a piece of shit like must people I know here in this forum but somebody else are worst than that a lot worst, like yourself look at your nick and I am telling you worst than that.

[beelzebub]

I may be ignorant, and I may be stupid, and I may be a piece of shit but I dont waste time having sex with a guy like you do. You dont see that as a waste? I do. because you can spend 20 years with a guy and what do you get back? NOTHING.

Get nothing back? If you think that you don’t get anything from having sex then you must be pathetic in bed. After 20 years with a man I would have a great big smile on my face and be extremely contented. Most people have sex for fun NOT to create babies! Otherwise abortions, birth control, and condoms would not exist.


You spend 20 years with a woman, and In most cases you get a full house with children and dogs running around during the holidays. relationship unlimited and LOVE real LOVE no only sex.

House full of kids: Who said that is the end-all and be-all of life? You think that just because you want that that everyone wants that?
Anyway, we have one son and another one on the way.
Given what you have said, no man can have real love with other men? Like you and your father? It would help you to know that there are many ways to love and ALL OF THEM are REAL.


I dont know but I feel sorry for the Homos, they have a very sad "condition" and now they want to marry not only one guy but several. the same with the lesbos. very sad case, very very very sad case. You are right I am nothing and probably I am just a piece of shit like must people I know here in this forum...

Save your pity for yourself. I feel sad for you because not only are you a piece of shit, you write like you are retarded as well. Get a life!

[jonilaine]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.

How on earth does being a liberal affect reproduction? Congratulations...you just showed everyone in this forum that you are a complete moron.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

How on earth does being a liberal affect reproduction? Congratulations...you just showed everyone in this forum that you are a complete moron.


Just??? No, no, no. He's been doing that ever since he started posting on this site. Look at his NO TV thread, that says it all.


--http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=140--

[jonilaine]

Just??? No, no, no. He's been doing that ever since he started posting on this site. Look at his NO TV thread, that says it all.


--http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=140--

Ahh..so you guys are already aquainted with his stupidshit-ness? I see...

[beelzebub]

Ahh..so you guys are already aquainted with his stupidshit-ness? I see...

Yes,... he is really an idiot. I shouldn't even talk to him but... there is always hope.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

but... there is always hope.


So now you're saying stuff that you don't even believe. Just stick with the truth and tell us that you enjoy using your unique insults to point out people who you are certain are idiots.

[beelzebub]

So now you're saying stuff that you don't even believe. Just stick with the truth and tell us that you enjoy using your unique insults to point out people who you are certain are idiots.

No, I do beleive it. Yes he is an idiot at this moment in time but everyone can change. And yes I do enjoy my insults.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

No, I do beleive it. Yes he is an idiot at this moment in time but everyone can change. And yes I do enjoy my insults.

Just don't try to convince us that that is the reason WHY you're debating with him. We all know that you're only in it for the insults.

[jonilaine]

Yes,... he is really an idiot. I shouldn't even talk to him but... there is always hope.

I have learned from past experiences that an idiot will always be an idiot...though he may change...you can still see that idiot inside of him/her when he/she turns the right way.

[beelzebub]

Just don't try to convince us that that is the reason WHY you're debating with him. We all know that you're only in it for the insults.

Everyone has a purpose in life (or on these forums).

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Everyone has a purpose in life (or on these forums).


Awesome. So just watch out for those misleading posts in the future. I have enough trouble understanding homos as it is.

[beelzebub]

Awesome. So just watch out for those misleading posts in the future. I have enough trouble understanding homos as it is.

Yea,.. I bet you say that to all the boys, especially after you have had your way with them.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yea,.. I bet you say that to all the boys, especially after you have had your way with them.


Okay....let's not forget which one of us is the fag here.....

[jonilaine]

Okay....let's not forget which one of us is the fag here.....

Jesus christ...do you boys have sexual tension or something...I mean this is getting pretty ugly! ;)

[beelzebub]

Jesus christ...do you boys have sexual tension or something...I mean this is getting pretty ugly! ;)

Not really, That's just our rapport. Don't take it too seriously.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Jesus christ...do you boys have sexual tension or something...I mean this is getting pretty ugly! ;)

Actually, the most recent action that I've had was at the beginning of the month....and she was just a tease. She let me do just about everything EXCEPT what I needed to in order to relieve myself. So yea, I guess you could say I have some sexual tension.....care to relieve it for me?

[jonilaine]

[QUOTE=Brains_Behind_Operation]Actually, the most recent action that I've had was at the beginning of the month....and she was just a tease. She let me do just about everything EXCEPT what I needed to in order to relieve myself. So yea, I guess you could say I have some sexual tension.....care to relieve it for me?[/QUOTE

I would...but you see...I'm a stalker and once you get mixed up with me...I won't leave you alone...I don't think you want me at 2 in the morning, outside your window...begging for you to fuck me...I don't think that you are man enough to handle that...

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I would...but you see...I'm a stalker and once you get mixed up with me...I won't leave you alone...I don't think you want me at 2 in the morning, outside your window...begging for you to fuck me...I don't think that you are man enough to handle that...


Actually, at this point in time, that is my biggest dream. I have plenty of free time on my hands. So it doesn't really matter when you're clawing at my window, I'll be dragging you in and getting as much as I can!

[jonilaine]

Actually, at this point in time, that is my biggest dream. I have plenty of free time on my hands. So it doesn't really matter when you're clawing at my window, I'll be dragging you in and getting as much as I can!

Wow...a man that actually knows what he wants...congratulations...I thought that your species didn't exist...to bad your in Minnisota or however you spell it...yeah...I know where you live and I know your SSN and who your parents are...told you I was a stalker!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

...I know where you live and I know your SSN and who your parents are...told you I was a stalker!


I won't believe you until you can prove it......but then I'll be sending the FBI after you!

[hkdbadreligion]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.
what does this have to do with abortion?

[jonilaine]

what does this have to do with abortion?

Where the hell have you been? Honestly...I think you're more stupid than the guy that started this friggin' thread!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Where the hell have you been? Honestly...I think you're more stupid than the guy that started this friggin' thread!


I smell a stupidity contest coming up! Taking all bets!! I'm giving two to one on vulcan!!!

[jonilaine]

I smell a stupidity contest coming up! Taking all bets!! I'm giving two to one on vulcan!!!

Oh well...yeah...I would take Vulcan any day..but HKD there should be an automatic win because of his sucky user name...tell us HateKillDestroy Man...why did you choose that user name...or you a wigger? :D

[hkdbadreligion]

Yes I am a wigger. I want to be black. I am going to pull a reverse Michael Jackson.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

And HKD starts out strong, taking a commanding lead with his first swing...

[jonilaine]

And HKD starts out strong, taking a commanding lead with his first swing...

OOOH..yes..you are soo witty...I want to be just like you HKD Man...AHHH!

[Paisleyspeaker]

Gee a stupidity contest, Can I nominate Bill O'Rielly, I have seen Mr. No-Spin go round more than my washing machine. Especially on this topic. Be honest, how can you soft shoe abortion and then condem drug use. The same arguments can be used to support or condem either. Mr Sexual Harrasment is just more intersted in getting rid of the evidence of his indescrtions than catching a buzz. And he has the foolish idea that either of these social issues can be legislated away. Lincoln had it right, you can't legislate mans appatites. Okay my spelling sucks. The same is true for homosexuality and bigotry.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Lincoln had it right, you can't legislate mans appatites. Okay my spelling sucks. The same is true for homosexuality and bigotry.


No, actually you spelled those last two just fine. :D

[beelzebub]

Gee a stupidity contest,

Ding Ding Ding,... you win. Just kidding


Okay my spelling sucks. The same is true for homosexuality and bigotry.

Homosexuality sucks? I have to think about this one.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Homosexuality sucks? I have to think about this one.


You have to think about it?? You don't remember all the penises that have been in your mouth? I'm sure that you've sucked on at least one of them.....

[jonilaine]

You have to think about it?? You don't remember all the penises that have been in your mouth? I'm sure that you've sucked on at least one of them.....

Can we PLEASE stop talking about oral sex?

[Paisleyspeaker]

Yes, Buzz baby, when you add up gay and lesbian sex, the result is overwhelmingly oral, and therefore sucks. That was not however a statement about people who are homosexual. I've got good friends ... yada, yada and believe diffrent strokes ... blah,blah,blah. And in a ham handed attempt to tie this back to the topic this thread sorta started with. Anyone who is against abortion should appreciate our nations homosexuals as they create no unwanted pregnancies, thus no abortions, and is we would loosen up, they would create more adoption opportunites. And to anyone silly enough to bitch about that, just think about what a grand job your hetro parents did, and the parents of your friends. The pressure they feel about being raised by gay parents comes from you.

[jonilaine]

Yes, Buzz baby, when you add up gay and lesbian sex, the result is overwhelmingly oral, and therefore sucks. That was not however a statement about people who are homosexual. I've got good friends ... yada, yada and believe diffrent strokes ... blah,blah,blah. And in a ham handed attempt to tie this back to the topic this thread sorta started with. Anyone who is against abortion should appreciate our nations homosexuals as they create no unwanted pregnancies, thus no abortions, and is we would loosen up, they would create more adoption opportunites. And to anyone silly enough to bitch about that, just think about what a grand job your hetro parents did, and the parents of your friends. The pressure they feel about being raised by gay parents comes from you.

I like this chick!

[General Septem]

Well if it's any consolation, at least the kids brought up by gay parents won't ever actually become gay. I don't have anything against homosexuals, only homosexual sex.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Well if it's any consolation, at least the kids brought up by gay parents won't ever actually become gay.


Now that's saying that it's impossible for children adopted by these homos to follow suit. Sure, many of them will be embarassed by their adoptive parents, but not all of them. I'm sure that growing up in a gay household only increases your chance of becomming gay yourself. Especially if they gay parents always feed you their gay foods. You are what you eat....:rolleyes:

[Paisleyspeaker]

are you saying quiche willl make you queer?:)

[General Septem]

Well, I'll use myself as an example. If I were raised by gay parents, I might not find homosexual sex as disgusting, but maybe I might. Either way, I don't think it would have increased my chances of becoming gay. I do think it would've decreased my chances if anything, though it may have a different effect depending on one's genes. I've heard people who were raised by gay and lesbian parents talk about how it never felt normal to them. Lesbians may be the worst offenders especially if they're that hairy feminist "try and imitate the male ego because I can" attitude.

Gay food, haha that made me laugh. Well I like quiche and I'm the straightest person in town, which isn't saying much if you're comparing me to the "metrosexual" emo kids. A better analogy would be, I'm so straight they used me as a straight edge at NASA. They fired me for charging too much, and Columbia and Challenger were the sad result. XD

What is quiche anyway, but egg, cheese, vegetables, and some seasonings?

[Paisleyspeaker]

Yup that's basically a quiche. I don't believe that being raised by gay parents can make a person gay, or anything else for that matter. I believe that your sexual orientation is just part of who you are, and not something anything could effect. I do know a few girls that after being raped retreated into lesbianism, because they didn't trust men, and it felt safer. And I saw them come back to men when they met one they could trust. I do not believe that most homosexuals choose to be gay. They just are. Who would choose a lifestyle that puts you on the fringes of society, at odds with family, and without the same rights as others?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I think that all of our preferences are learned, to some extent. Your experiences with things will decide whether or not you like them. A person can also learn to like some things. Liquor for example. I know that at first I tried beer and hated the taste of it. But after forcing down for a few weeks I grew accustomed to it and eventually started liking it. The same with cigarettes. I don't think anyone who starts smoking does it because they like it. But eventually they grow an addiction to it and don't only like it, but they find a need for it. I think that certain similar circumstances can happen with everything, as long as they're started early enough.

[General Septem]

I think that's true to an extent, but I think if that were completely true, then there wouldn't be any gays at all, because everyone would just be brought up to be straight. On the other hand, I wonder if breasts (for example) are really all that attractive or if I've just become accustomed to finding them attractive because I was brought up to think they are.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Breast really are that attractive. And they are soft and .... you'll find out eventually. They are also the best way to feed babies. If there were more women on this I would create a thread about breast feeding, and idoits reactioin to doing it in public.
You can learn to like things, our tastes change as we get older, but the people I know who are out, tell me they have always felt that way, most just didn't understand it until they were older. I suppose prisons prove that a person can adapt, but the same men upon release are hetro once more, they're orientation never changed. And there is a distinction made inside between the opportunists and the real deal. I have heard some silly shit about being able to "cure" gays, at most you can convince them not to act on their desires, and that usually comes with a horrendous emotional pricetag.

[beelzebub]

Now that's saying that it's impossible for children adopted by these homos to follow suit.

No its not. It is saying that just because your parents are gay doesn't mean that you will be gay. The reverse is true: I was raised by str8 parents, yet I am gay.


Sure, many of them will be embarassed by their adoptive parents, but not all of them. I'm sure that growing up in a gay household only increases your chance of becomming gay yourself.

I would assume that then all str8 children are not embarrassed by their parents? Don’t be an idiot. I would say most American children loathe their parents at one point.

Once again, if this were true then all gay people raised by str8 parents would be less likely to be gay. And another point, why do gay people exist? We all came from 2 people of the opposite sex that had sex with each other in order to create us. Therefore srt8 parents do not make exclusively gay sons/daughters.

You say then that just because I am gay that my son will be gay because I raised him? Then why is the opposite not true. My father had horrible fashion sense and my mother was so fem she shat flowers. I was in daily interaction with both my male nephews. One has a daughter and both have more girlfriends than I have had boyfriends.

Who knows why Gay people exist! Who cares? We do, we are here and get the fuck over it!

[beelzebub]

I don't believe that being raised by gay parents can make a person gay, or anything else for that matter. I believe that your sexual orientation is just part of who you are, and not something anything could effect.

Has anyone told you that you are ABSOUTLY CORRECT and I love you? If not here and believe.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Why thank you. As you might have guessed I have several dear friends who have helped me see things for what they truly are.

[General Septem]

I would assume that then all str8 children are not embarrassed by their parents? Don’t be an idiot. I would say most American children loathe their parents at one point.
Yes, but not for being gay.

[General Septem]

Has anyone told you that you are ABSOUTLY CORRECT and I love you? If not here and believe.

I've never said anything to the contrary either. I know gay people can't help being gay.

But that doesn't give you an excuse to fuck each other in the ass.

[beelzebub]

Yes, but not for being gay.

One excuse for another. Why is the gay reason for "parent loathing" so horrid & other acceptable.

If I were raised by Cathloic parents I would be embarassed by my priests molesting little boys and watching my parents prostrate themselves in front of them.

Get a life!

[General Septem]

One excuse for another. Why is the gay reason for "parent loathing" so horrid & other acceptable.

If I were raised by Cathloic parents I would be embarassed by my priests molesting little boys and watching my parents prostrate themselves in front of them.

Get a life!
If my parents worshipped priests I'd be embarrassed too.

Of course if I had parents that thought all priests molest children, I'd probably be just as much so.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I would assume that then all str8 children are not embarrassed by their parents? Don’t be an idiot. I would say most American children loathe their parents at one point.

I was simply saying that that the children would be embarrassed by their parents for the acts of being gay because of the way society tells them that they should be embarrassed. Because of this, it MAY be less likely for them to be gay.



Once again, if this were true then all gay people raised by str8 parents would be less likely to be gay. And another point, why do gay people exist? We all came from 2 people of the opposite sex that had sex with each other in order to create us. Therefore srt8 parents do not make exclusively gay sons/daughters.


I'm not saying that there is only this catalyst which decides whether or not a person will be gay. I'm simply saying that being raised in a household that openly displays homosexuality as the norm is probably going to have some effect on the issue. Just as being raised in a household that displays heterosexuality will have some effect on the issue. It would depend on the way that the message of these acts is recieved which direction it will make the child swing. But I'm just hypothesizing that more often than not, the acts that are done by a parent and those that are considered the norm will be recieved in a positive light.

[beelzebub]

I was simply saying that that the children would be embarrassed by their parents for the acts of being gay because of the way society tells them that they should be embarrassed. Because of this, it MAY be less likely for them to be gay.

SO WHAT. WHO CARES?


I'm not saying ...blablabla... raised in a household that openly displays homosexuality as the norm is probably going to have some effect on the issue.

YES, We homosexuals generally have an effect on others. The same as anoyne else......... Perhaps the only thing that it would affect is our sons sense of compassion and understanding for others. And he would definatly not judge others.

[General Septem]

And he would definatly not judge others.
What makes you think he would to begin with?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Everyone judges others, it's unavoidable. Some of us just have the courtesy to keep it to ourselves, while others don't see what purpose it serves to hold secrets about our true feelings.

[beelzebub]

What makes you think he would to begin with?

I dont assume. I am stating that he will not.
This is typical human behavior, however. Furthermore he will have to interact at school. Other students raised by parents without such virtues could have an influence.

We will seed the understanding of others and nourish its growth.

[General Septem]

So you're saying that because you are gay, your child will be less judgmental than if he were raised by straight parents.

Yeah, that doesn't sound judgmental at all. :rolleyes:

[beelzebub]

So you're saying that because you are gay, your child will be less judgmental than if he were raised by straight parents.
Yeah, that doesn't sound judgmental at all. :rolleyes:

No not at all... I am saying that my child will not view what I consider to be frivolous judgments. Specifically meaning that he will not worry about what others do in their private lives. As long as it hurt no one, de as ye will.

Now will he not see: extravagant spending as stupid, gossip as stupid, keeping up with the Joneses as stupid, pride in ignorance as stupid.... etc .... Of course not! He will judge all these as stupid. But he will not be disrespectful to those who exelimplify these characteristics.

[General Septem]

Well I see a lot of things as stupid too, but generally speaking I keep my opinions to myself unless someone directly or indirectly asks. On the other hand I think it's judgmental to classify any spending as extravegent. Some people are successful and I think it's not unreasonable to live comfortably if you earn it. I also think you should give to charity though, especially if you have that much to give.

[beelzebub]

judgmental to classify any spending as extravegent. Some people are successful and I think it's not unreasonable to live comfortably if you earn it.

You and I differ on this one. I think that people do live too extravagantly. The need to remember that material pleasures can be obtained for far less and that the best things in life do not cost a cent.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

...and that the best things in life do not cost a cent.


That's just your opinion, and it happens to be the same for many people. But there are also those who truly believe that there is no greater thrill than owning everything you can. They aren't wrong and you aren't wrong. Your favorite color may be blue while mine is red. It's nothing more than preference.

[Paisleyspeaker]

right, wrong, and ethical. Spoken like a good capitolist. There are some that believe it is more than a matter of prefrence. How close have you ever been to poverty? Real poverty? When you see what it is to really not have anything, then it does make some levels of spending seem just wrong. Money like many other things is finite. There is only so much to go around, and in order for someone to have a lot, then someone else must have less. And when you live in a world with people with Bill Gates money, how many have nothing. While there is nothing inheiritly wrong with wanting to be comfortable, but what is comfortable. A nice little house, a couple working cars, all the new eletronic toys, or a penthouse in the trump towers. And what when you compare the salaries of a ceo and the man that work for him? Did he really earn that?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Did he really earn that?


Most things in life aren't really earned. For much of what we have to be proud of, or what we have to be ashamed of, it is little more than a gamble that we recieved those things. For instance, you have absolutely no control over where you were born or who your parents are. Some people get lucky and are born as the love child of Bill Gates, while others are the love child of some sixteen-year-old dumbass from the ghetto who couldn't figure out how to use a condom properly. This circumstance, or GAMBLE, will lead to many of the other circumstances in our lives, but they will all be gambles of their own. I believe that it is the things in life that we really worked hard for and truly earned are what make life worth living.

[General Septem]

I think everyone has an equal chance at life. Even if you're born in a poor country in Africa. There have been people from those countries that didn't just sit around and take it, and they eventually made their way into America. When they got here and saw everything we had, they thought it was magic, and they were amazed by it. Now these people were not any different from the rest of the people in that country; they just decided to do something about it.

So what's my point? Well I don't think a lot of things are a gamble. There are people who have earned their position.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I think everyone has an equal chance at life.


No, that's definately not the case. Everyone is given different chances in life, none of them are equal. For some people, it doesn't matter how hard they try, how much effort they put into it, how much they truly want it, or how much they deserve it, they still will never get where they are aiming for. This is the extreme side of things, and on the other extreme, there are people who never did a damned thing in life to deserve anything, yet everything that they ever wanted is all set there right in front of them on a silver platter. A person who was dealt twos and wins the pot didn't do it because he had equal chances. He did it because he got lucky enough that his opponents believed that he had a better hand than they did. On a different table the results would have been completely different, it's all a case of luck and circumstance. Some people do earn what they get, but even they don't do it without the circumstances being on their side.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Everyone having the same fair chance is a good one. It belongs up there with Everyone can be a star. We live in a social system that looks
like a pyramid. Each layer is supported by the larger layer below it. The business owner stands on the backs of his employees. The Banker stands on the backs of the buisness owners and so on. The Barriers between the layers are almost unpenetratable. Because Education and hard work are not enough. There are social skills and relationships that you also need . The people in the higher levels give the jobs and good deals to their sons, and friends and their friends sons. Most people end up about where their parents did. Except of course the spactacular failures. You can plummet all the way , but most don't climb all the way up. And those that do often don't stay for more than one generation , because they don't have the social skills and knowlegde I mentioned earlier. And John, really, Africa? It is a poor example. It is one of the most war torn continents. in some nations there you arn't expected to reach your 21st birthday, people are dying , if getting out was easy, they would all be gone.

[General Septem]

You have a point somewhat. You have to have the right mentality. But in terms of position and physical ability, most people can do it, they jsut need the ambition.

[Paisleyspeaker]

But there we collide into one of our other threads. What if the only way they can see in is illegally? They might not lack ambition, but not have an acceptable way out.

[beelzebub]

How close have you ever been to poverty? Real poverty?

Let me see: I have seen people with no home, no clothes looking in the gutter for left over food and eating it. There were several in the area I lived (Eastern Region) and I saw many others in other countries.



When you see what it is to really not have anything, then it does make some levels of spending seem just wrong.

You are absoutly right. Most of the jokers on this forum dont know this and probably wont realize this with their limited world view.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

You are absoutly right. Most of the jokers on this forum dont know this and probably wont realize this with their limited world view.


Oh I know it. I'm just a selfish bastard. I'll make sure that I'm comfortable first, and then I'll make sure to help others. Generally I'll start helping others before I'm comfortable, but I wouldn't care to bring my level of comfort so low as to put forth the proper assets in assisting these people in other areas of the world that you are talking about.

[beelzebub]

Oh I know it. I'm just a selfish bastard. I'll make sure that I'm comfortable first,

Level of comfort is relative. Some of my relations couldn't imagine life without
TV, Air-conditioning and their favorite processed foods. Because they refuse to step outside their own reality they will never know what it is like to exist without these things they call "necessary comforts". Furthermore they will not know their own culture because they cannot see it through another culture's eyes.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Level of comfort is relative. Some of my relations couldn't imagine life without
TV, Air-conditioning and their favorite processed foods.


You left out Cars and the Internet! Some of us just need more

[General Septem]

How I see it is this. I've earned everything I've got, even what I've stolen (which I haven't). But at the same time I also understand that what I have is a gift, and part of recieving this gift is that I may have something to give as well. So my luxuries are a gift, but so is the ability to give. I cherish my ability to give because I like knowing I can help people. But at the same time, I still have so much more I can live on as well.

I think of it as a percentage. I live on a percentage of what I have. The percentage I live on also gets smaller as the amount I make gets more.

If I have a thousand dollars, I need all of it to live and stay healthy. I can put a few dollars here and there in the collection at Church but that's about all I can do. I live on maybe 99% of that thousand.

If I have ten thousand, I can live on seven. The amount I live on is 70%.

If I have fifty thousand, I can live on thirty. The amount I live on is 60%.

If I have a hundred thousand dollars, I can live on fifty and give the rest away. The amount I live on is 50%.

If I have a million dollars I can live on a hundred thousand. 10%. Now we're getting into a luxurious lifestyle. But I'm not just paying a hundred thousand for it - I'm paying nine hundred thousand to charities. I think giving nine hundred thousand to charities is enough to justify a hundred thousand dollar lifestyle.

If I have a billion I can live on fifty million. 5%. That's nine hundred fifty million I'd be giving away.

If I have a hundred billion I can live on one billion. 1%. That's ninety-nine billion I'd be giving away (assuming the hundred billion comes after other expenses). I think giving away ninety-nine billion is enough to justify a billion-dollar lifestyle. Do you see what I'm getting at?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yes, and there should be more people like you. But would you be giving the money away to the people who truely need it, or just the ones that you like the most? I honestly can't say that I would be that generous, but I'm disapointed to see that no one in this world who has that kind of money is nearly as generous as you claim yourself to be.

[General Septem]

Well keep in mind I don't currently have two nickels to rub together. Under a normal salary of even 100,000 a year I don't see how giving a ton of that away would be an option. I just think that if you're Bill Gates rich, you've earned a luxurious lifestyle, but you've also earned the gift of being able to give, and to neglect the latter I believe is selfish.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's wrong for a multi-millionaire to live it up a bit just because others aren't as fortunate. And in my case I would be able to justify living it up a bit by giving a lot to those who don't have any.

[beelzebub]

How I see it is this. I've earned everything I've got, even what I've stolen (which I haven't). But at the same time I also understand that what I have is a gift, and part of recieving this gift is that I may have something to give as well. If I have ten thousand, fifty thousand, a hundred thousand dollars, a million dollars bla bla bla

Take what I am saying without any inference of malice.

When I was a small boy I wanted lots of things. When I went to college I wanted even more “sophisticated” things. When I was in the Peace Corps I wanted all things African, and when I came home I wanted to live the “metropolitan lifestyle” (nice car, nice clothes, all the good people). Now all I do is to make myself more financially secure.

I see all the new modern gadgets, clothes, cars that would have had my younger self reeling with desire. Now those things hold no affection for me.

I know I am no better or worse than anyone else. If I can live and be happy without all that stuff can’t everyone? If we temper our greed and lust for material things what would happen? We all know what happens when we crave more and more what about the opposite?

[General Septem]

I know I am no better or worse than anyone else. If I can live and be happy without all that stuff can’t everyone?
No. It's not about being better or worse, it's just different tastes. Sure we can be happy without a lot of stuff, but on the other hand, I would feel justified living at the very least comfortably. I mean, most Americans worry about money, so forget living comfortably. In the end, I don't know what exactly I may desire down the road, but if I should so desire, I know in my mind what I can justify and what I can't. Hey if I can be the most happy man in the world living in a cardboard box then that's great too.

[Paisleyspeaker]

okay General, I like your numbers, I could support a person living on a billion if he gave ninty nine billion to people who needed it. I have known people at the depths of poverty, and millionaires. I have learned that your possesions own you, not the other way around. If all people were that generous there would be little for socialist to crab about. But unfortunatly people here don't share like that. Angelina Jolie and Bill Gates are the only two I know about who come close, they each gave about 30% and that made the news it was such a strange thing.

[vulcan]

My children are going to pay for your social security so you can have sex with the old folks in the Nursing Home, and what about your Children? Oh I forgot you are a faggot and you have no children. How about that? What about your stupid dogs? They can pay well with, dog shit!!! Faggots make this country poor, and thats all. Oh, I heard they are having a community in Arizona for Faggots and Dikes, but you have to have 350,000 dollars to buy there. No money no comunity, you guys are such a great people helping each other out so much if you are young and muscular but if you are old and poopping in your Depends forget about it. Have a great SHIT!!!!.
Bye Belzze, You need treatment.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

^ Can anybody make sense out of that? ^

[vulcan]

I may be stupid and a moron but I really made you guys going. Beelzy when you became gay, in Africa when one of those black guys with a huge wong in your ass. I bet you.

[rawsugar]

[QUOTE=Brains_Behind_Operation]but I've still come to the conclusion that nature defines being gay as wrong.QUOTE]

It's nature that makes people gay. Do you think they just woke up one day and thought "I fancy a change, I think I'll start being attracted to men." In my opinion something wrong must hurt either you or someone/something else. I'd like to know who two men in a consentual relationship actually hurt.

I don't understand why men feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. If it is because you are worried they will be attracted to you, and you don't return the attraction, get over it! Women have to deal with the unwanted attention of men on a regular basis. Also its more than a little arrogant to believe that every gay man will be attracted to you, just as it would be to assume every woman finds you sexually attractive.

Mini rant over :)

Thanks,
Abi

[rawsugar]

[QUOTE=General Septem]Under a normal salary of even 100,000 a year[QUOTE]

Is 100,000 dollars a normal salary for you? Thats got to be about £60k, you guys have it good :P

Abi

[General Septem]

[QUOTE=General Septem]Under a normal salary of even 100,000 a year[QUOTE]

Is 100,000 dollars a normal salary for you? Thats got to be about £60k, you guys have it good :P

Abi
It's a little high-end for the "working class" range, but the people who really make the money can easily get more than that. We're talking about investors and entrepreneuers. Doctors probably get loads more than 100K. I'd say 100K is just a very very good job.

[rawsugar]

[QUOTE=rawsugar][QUOTE=General Septem]Under a normal salary of even 100,000 a year
It's a little high-end for the "working class" range, but the people who really make the money can easily get more than that. We're talking about investors and entrepreneuers. Doctors probably get loads more than 100K. I'd say 100K is just a very very good job.

Ah right, pretty similar to the UK then I think.
Abi

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It's nature that makes people gay. Do you think they just woke up one day and thought "I fancy a change, I think I'll start being attracted to men." In my opinion something wrong must hurt either you or someone/something else. I'd like to know who two men in a consentual relationship actually hurt.



It's a flaw in nature that makes people gay. It serves no natural purpose to be gay. The act of sex, in the sense of nature, is purely for reproduction. Sex is pleasurable to make the act happen more often and raise the chances of reproduction. This cannot happen with gay sex, at least not yet. Nature may end up finding a way to make it possible regardless of who you have sex with, but those sorts of instances only happen out of necessity which does not yet exist. The hurt that being gay causes is on the human race. It hurts the human race because every gay person makes it less possible for the human race to reproduce. The larger percentage of gays that there are, the more likely the human race will fade into extinction.

[rawsugar]

It's a flaw in nature that makes people gay. It serves no natural purpose to be gay. The act of sex, in the sense of nature, is purely for reproduction. Sex is pleasurable to make the act happen more often and raise the chances of reproduction. This cannot happen with gay sex, at least not yet. Nature may end up finding a way to make it possible regardless of who you have sex with, but those sorts of instances only happen out of necessity which does not yet exist. The hurt that being gay causes is on the human race. It hurts the human race because every gay person makes it less possible for the human race to reproduce. The larger percentage of gays that there are, the more likely the human race will fade into extinction.

The population is rising steadily, I don't think the small percentage of people who are in same sex relationships are going to damage this any more than the people who are in hetrosexual relationships but don't wish to have children, or the people not in relationships at all.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I'm sure you're right, but my point is that by nature it is a flaw to be gay, regardless of how little a difference it is making the argument still stands.

[rawsugar]

I'm sure you're right, but my point is that by nature it is a flaw to be gay, regardless of how little a difference it is making the argument still stands.

I accept that. Sexual intercourse was intended for reproduction to further the human race, and anything that does not result in this could be seen as a 'flaw'.

However by that reasoning anything that does not aid reproduction could also be seen as a flaw. Being sexually attracted to women who have been through the menopause, or who have some sort of condition making them infertile for example.

The point I am trying to make is that although they are not helping to continue the human race, these individuals are not doing anything I see as "wrong".

It could be argued I suppose that nature intended a certain amount of individuals to be homosexual inorder to prevent overpopulation. I know I'm grasping at straws a little here, but it is a possibility.

Abi

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

The point I am trying to make is that although they are not helping to continue the human race, these individuals are not doing anything I see as "wrong".


It may not be "wrong" but it's definately not right. It probably is a flaw to be attracted to unable women. That's why most men are most attracted to girls between the ages of about 16 and 30, becuase they are the most able. The woman's body shows that it is ready to reproduce by being sexy. The more a woman performs the act of reproduction the less sexy she gets, and the less likely she is to have more children.

[rawsugar]

It may not be "wrong" but it's definately not right. It probably is a flaw to be attracted to unable women. That's why most men are most attracted to girls between the ages of about 16 and 30, becuase they are the most able. The woman's body shows that it is ready to reproduce by being sexy. The more a woman performs the act of reproduction the less sexy she gets, and the less likely she is to have more children.

I accept your point, and agree that it is not ideal. I just think that if we listed everything in the world that was not exactly "right" we would be here all day. There are enough things that are actually "wrong" to focus on.
Abi

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Point well taken. In all reality, I'm not necessarily against homosexuality nearly so much as I am offended by the homosexual personality. That is, the socailly known flaming homosexual personality. I can't really explain why it is a problem, I just can't stand that type of person. I've actually met a couple of straight guys that have the same type of personality and I feel uncomfortable around them. It also bothers me to see guys performing acts of homosexuality, the same way that it bothers e to see any unmentionables of men or women, which I don't have a sexual attraction to.

[rawsugar]

Point well taken. In all reality, I'm not necessarily against homosexuality nearly so much as I am offended by the homosexual personality. That is, the socailly known flaming homosexual personality. I can't really explain why it is a problem, I just can't stand that type of person. I've actually met a couple of straight guys that have the same type of personality and I feel uncomfortable around them. It also bothers me to see guys performing acts of homosexuality, the same way that it bothers e to see any unmentionables of men or women, which I don't have a sexual attraction to.

Haha, thats fair enough. Not everyone is going to get on with everyone else. There are some mannerisms that annoy me to, although it is probably unfair to judge people like this. As for it bothering you to see guys performing acts of homosexuality, again fair enough. I personally don't mind anyone of any sexual orientation kissing in public, and 'unmentionables' don't bother me much either, but I don't want to see anything more graphic. I think unless you actively seek it out there is no reason why you should have to witness anything like that lol.
Abi

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

That's right! Just because you've come out of the closet doesn't mean you can't still go back to the closet to do these things!

[rawsugar]

That's right! Just because you've come out of the closet doesn't mean you can't still go back to the closet to do these things!

Haha, I can't think of a better way to put it.

[General Septem]

See me, I don't have a problem with the homosexual people. The only thing about homosexuality is the actual act of two men or two women having sex. It's a perverse and immoral sex act. Now I'm not going to go around and tell anyone they can't do it, but it doesn't make it any less wrong.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

And you have a very unique view on just what constitutes an acceptable act of sex. You should start a new thread to make this point.

[vulcan]

Sex with another guy is not sex is just mutual masturbation.
is a clean beutiful thing. guy on guy is a dirty thing, or I may remind you that when you wake up in the morning you need to wash yourself because you penis is full of s.....

[who897]

I love gay people especially guys. It leaves more chicks for me to inpregnate then have an abortion. So, I must say, keep it gay.

[REPTILE]

Yeah, also leaves more STD's for you to catch. Hopefully a few psycho chicks to come after you aswell, LOL! Nice ideology you got there, real classy guy.

[who897]

Yep, kids are STD's. I'm in a class of my very own.

[REPTILE]

Well good for you!

[firegoblin]

Bitch, bitch, moan, moan...

Stop blaming others for your pathetic existence and take responsibility for your own happiness.

[firegoblin]

We waste billions of dollar in treating homosexual in free clinics around the country, we are treating them against HIV and Hepatitis B and C, both male and female, ( both are transmited sexually not Hepatitis B but HIV and hep C)rigth now are flocking to free clinics in this country to get free treatment against any of these sickness, and this include blood tests on regular basis, and X-rays an etc. must of them are free because must of them are too sick to keep a job. and guess who is paying for that ?you and me, and all the billions of dollar wasted doing research, to save them. who pay those once again the tax payer. We are 1000 lightyears aways from a cure against cancer and diabetic, but we have to waste billions of dollars against Aids, and finding a cure.
Once again the homosexuals in this country affect the country negatively only 10 percent (maybe less) have children and take care of a family. So they dont help to the genetic pool of the country or to maintain our population or military.
I feel sorry for them, I really do... But if you think this is not affecting the economy of our country check again. One more time the fucking liberal are killing our way of life. FUCK BILL CLINTON. Just to add when BIlly called oral sex "not a sex act" our adolecent started having oral sex like never before, now we have a real outbrake of Herpes in young people's mouth another Clinton legacy he should burn in Hell. Well I think he is already doing this. And now his bitch wants to be president, hahhhahahahahha that's a good one...
Wow. You are a peon. I don't usually resort to personal insults, but you brought it upon yourself.

I don't see homosexuals on the welfare system knocked up with kid eight by a Blow Joe Smith such as yourself. Number of heterosexuals draining the welfare system compared to the number of homosexuals=shut up you schmuck.

By the way, I could throw 100's of counters to your obviously poorly thought out argument. Go to college for six to twelve years and then come back with actual statements that have solid grounds for plausibility.

I can't believe my parents' tax money went to your education!!!

[Obama Oblowme]

Its A Proven Fact That All Liberals Are Gay Its True There Have Been Studies Done That Support This Claim Google It

[edongqij44]

Fucking spam...beat by the troll patrol

[Controversy]

I just read about the liberals are not reproducing! because they are fucking liberals, they choose to take care of a fucking dog intead, and of course, they flush their uterus if they think is somebody growing in there. And of course the lesbians and the homos. so call gays. they usually do not reproduce. and the femenists are too femenist to leave a penis in their Un-fucking viganas. Well the next president could be a Baptist, a Mormon or maybe even an Amish. With the price of the gasoline, we may start driving buggies and horses around, and with no power at home, we may stop watching tv or writing shit in the web, and we may stay at home and have sex every night like grandpa use to do... Liberals you guys are doomed...And our way of life is going to be change.

I like your objection to Liberals. It's what'll change our world for the better. We can't just sit idly by and let others do what they want without presenting a challenge to them. That's called being shallow. We need to stand up and make these liberals either back the fuck up or act within reason.

Either way, the controversy of this snaps my head in its direction!

[iodisfava]

Hello, I'm the douche bag of the day..