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this_is_bullshit
05-07-2006, 10:14 PM
From my Dad, & I'll tell you, it really stirred the pot in my mind, have a read:

THE AMERICAN DREAM?

Think something like this isn't happening? Scary but it is happening as you read this... We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration over-population conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream. Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide." Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi cultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success
of our own multi ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school"

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe'. Halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration
has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
>destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book." There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book 1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:

"War is peace,"
"Freedom is slavery,"
and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast if we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.

Provoke any thoughts? Pass it on.

this_is_bullshit
05-15-2006, 10:03 PM
Seems as though people can't be arsed to actually read a long post, unles it contains a caps on approach with tons of vulgarity.

~or~

The majority that did attempt to read my long post have little to no opinion.

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-16-2006, 12:10 AM
Seems as though people can't be arsed to actually read a long post, unles it contains a caps on approach with tons of vulgarity.

~or~

The majority that did attempt to read my long post have little to no opinion.

Oh I read it, and I thought it made a good point. I agreed with much of it, though the majority of it appeared to really be repeating the same exact thing in different words. Basically it was saying to destroy America, invite many different cultures in and encourage them not to adapt to the American culture. That's exactly what we're doing, and it hasn't destroyed the country yet, but I feel that it is making the country worse. The biggest problem was that your post was really too long. If it doesn't make a strong point in the first sentance or two, there's little chance that many people are going to stick around and chance wasting ten minutes of their time reading it. Especially when it is posted within a site called 'bullshit.' There's too great a chance that it is nothing more than bullshit.

Nobody
05-16-2006, 02:24 AM
Seems as though people can't be arsed to actually read a long post, unles it contains a caps on approach with tons of vulgarity.

~or~

The majority that did attempt to read my long post have little to no opinion.
It seemed to me to be a wake up call to everyone at to conference. But to read those words, without the existance of any word tones, or emotions, could be alarming for some. I think the last paragragh, somes up what the ex-govenor was trying to instill in those people. SHOCK.

this_is_bullshit
05-16-2006, 10:23 PM
Very good points, & I agree, I think that we can indeed destroy America by doing that.

jacktheripper
05-19-2006, 03:08 AM
Nice post.. Care to provide some validity to it? like a source? Some shread of proof that this actuly happend?

It has a good message and i agree that if something drastic doesnt happen soon, we are due for some serius problems.

I see no need to change the laws that are on the books, I see only a need to inforce THE DAMN LAWS THAT ARE ALLREADY WRITTEN!!! :confused: :confused:

Why the hell are they not being enforced? Its just like all the stupid gun laws.. and every other law.. Totaly friggin usless unless they are enforced.


Edit.. Oh and HI everyone

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-19-2006, 04:01 AM
Why the hell are they not being enforced?



Because that would cost money. People feel that they are paying too much for taxes as it is, so better to just have laws in place and enforce them only after they've been truly proven to hurt someone.

jacktheripper
05-19-2006, 05:12 AM
you do know that there is a law against doing everything and anything ?

That technicaly EVERYONE in the united states is a felon.. Just haven't been caught or prosicuted.

Pitifull .. Land of the free.. a democracy? ?HAHAH yea right dont make me laugh.

its a Plutocracy

Land of the free.. if you have money maybe.. otherwise your nothing more then a slave.. Trading time for money.

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-19-2006, 05:17 AM
True freedom is a pipedream that cannot truly make things better for all. Our freedom needs to be controlled in order for happiness. I just don't think it is quite being controlled right yet. But nothing is ever perfect so we continue to tweak it making it ever better.

this_is_bullshit
05-19-2006, 11:18 PM
Nice post.. Care to provide some validity to it? like a source? Some shread of proof that this actuly happend?

It has a good message and i agree that if something drastic doesnt happen soon, we are due for some serius problems.

I see no need to change the laws that are on the books, I see only a need to inforce THE DAMN LAWS THAT ARE ALLREADY WRITTEN!!! :confused: :confused:

Why the hell are they not being enforced? Its just like all the stupid gun laws.. and every other law.. Totaly friggin usless unless they are enforced.


Edit.. Oh and HI everyone

Yea, Google it.

bullshit99x
05-23-2006, 03:37 PM
Your Dad's email server must really be backed up. Last week was back in 2004 when Lamm made his presentation, "I Have a Plan to Destroy America". The ideas are still good and worth considering though. A copy of Lamm's address as he wrote it can be found here (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp).

jonilaine
05-23-2006, 06:18 PM
I liked your post..I did think it repeated itself and was a bit too lengthy...but it did make a good point. I just don't see how it is going to 'destroy' america...hurt it, maybe...destroy it? Doubt it.

hkdbadreligion
05-24-2006, 12:38 AM
So... if this is from 2004 and Lamm said 3 years... we have a year until America is Destroyed? Oh Glory Day!

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-24-2006, 10:15 PM
Actually he put a little more time in there than he should have. We really only have a couple of weeks left. Check it out at my newest thread: http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?p=3315#post3315

hkdbadreligion
05-24-2006, 10:50 PM
The stupid 6.6.06 shit?

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-24-2006, 10:53 PM
Unless you've got a better forecast for the armageddon, I'll stick with mine.

hkdbadreligion
05-26-2006, 02:02 AM
Religion is fake. Humanity will kill itself with technology.

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-26-2006, 02:55 AM
I'll probably be telling you this a lot today....you're narrow. And why can't we kill ourselves with technology on the sixth next month?

hkdbadreligion
05-27-2006, 02:24 AM
It's too soon... or is it? I'm not narrow... well... maybe. You are narrow... like an atom.

this_is_bullshit
05-27-2006, 09:22 PM
I'm not narrow...

OOPS! Wrong forum! :P

hkdbadreligion
05-29-2006, 12:23 AM
pencil dick.

Brains_Behind_Operation
05-30-2006, 12:02 AM
We don't need to go around making such sexual references about eachother just because we disagree. And anyways, a pencil could still please your woman very well as long as you know how to work it! Let's not take down the sexual use of these little writing utensils!!

hkdbadreligion
05-30-2006, 11:59 AM
I think she would disagree.

this_is_bullshit
05-31-2006, 10:37 PM
I think she would disagree.


I dunno, sounds like there is experience talking. o.0


=P

Paisleyspeaker
07-10-2006, 11:05 AM
So here we sit amid debate and protest about immegration. The opening post was not long, don't you guys read books anymore? I am tracking down Mexifornia. It sounds like Lamm had many great points to make. Especially about a victim culture-(meni it's not all our fault, take responsibility or you are doomed to failure, eventually you will run out of other people to blame) All of the things he warns against are happening.

And Hdk is right, a pencil isn't going to cut it unless it vibrates. Y'all men are so in a dither about lenth, but if you talk to an honest woman, she'll tell you it is width that makes the diffrence.

Prometheus
07-10-2006, 08:36 PM
That a very well though out speech. I fear the corprate masters and the welthy bussnies owners in this country that vote and have the loot it takes to campain definatly benifit from a low cost labor pool to under educated to ask for benifits such as health insurerance, fair wages or safe work environments. The people in our society that have to compete economiclly with this group, of right-less slave class laborers, have little involvement or influence on policy dissions concernig this matter. This sucks ! They cram themselves 10 to a trailier home so they can work at such low wages. It's kinda tough to compete with that.

take a look at "is it just me"

beelzebub
07-11-2006, 08:34 AM
..The people in our society that have to compete economiclly with this group, of right-less slave class laborers, have little involvement or influence on policy dissions concernig this matter. This sucks ! They cram themselves 10 to a trailier home so they can work at such low wages. It's kinda tough to compete with that.

Not slaves. They chose to come and they choose to stay. This life that they are creating is the product of our immigration department and the immigrants who find a "better life" here.

this_is_bullshit
07-17-2006, 11:08 AM
Not slaves. They chose to come and they choose to stay. This life that they are creating is the product of our immigration department and the immigrants who find a "better life" here.

Well put. I have to agree.

Ape-Shit
07-31-2006, 01:34 PM
Our government has put their head in the sands and our local government is still sitting on their sholders. Look at what it is teaching our children. Illegal is Illegal. What are you doing about the illegial immigrates? Whats going to happen to America if this in flow of BullShit doesn't stop? "WAKE UP AMERICA".....!

Harv
08-14-2006, 03:57 PM
:mad: It surely was a long message but well worth reading. I know the terrorist problem may be our biggest worry long-term, but the Mexican-Central America invasion of illegals may destroy the United States before the terrorists have a chance. I live in Texas, and it is a huge problem here. They have damn near ruined the public schools and public hospitals, rapidly ruining neighborhoods by moving 2 or 3 families into houses zoned "single family". The darn city officials are afraid to enforce the city codes. Parkland Hospital in Dallas has nearly 50 new illegal births per day, at an average cost of $6,000 paid for by us taxpayers. And these babies are automatically U.S. citizens because they are born here. Yes, we should be enforcing the present immigration laws but the powers-that-be in Washington don't seem to care. I may never vote again for anybody running for re-election. New blood needed now in many city, state and certainly in the federal gov't.

memeroot
08-21-2006, 08:25 AM
utter rubbish, the thing that will destroy america is hardly likely to be the influx of people into the US. It is the rapid increase in number, education and economic power of those outside it. As China and India become larger economic forces than the US it will be dificult for the US to afford let alone justify their ecological and capital deficits with the rest of the world.

This immigration fear is more about distracting the baby boomers from taking responsibility for their actions and the next generations futures.

rawsugar
08-22-2006, 04:37 PM
Oh for goodness sake! I'm going to post my opinion in the morning when I can think more clearly because if I try now its likely I might start ranting.

I hate the American superiority complex, sorry to all rational moderate Americans I'm sure there are out there, but posts like this piss me off.
Abi

Ape-Shit
08-23-2006, 03:26 PM
I for one enjoy your company. Please don't get pissed off. This forum gives you the opportunity to see just what a bunch of jerks are really out there.

You just have to remember that you are dealing with a lot of Jerks, thats all.

rawsugar
08-23-2006, 03:37 PM
I for one enjoy your company. Please don't get pissed off. This forum gives you the opportunity to see just what a bunch of jerks are really out there.

You just have to remember that you are dealing with a lot of Jerks, thats all.

Haha, sorry. It's just sometimes I can't believe there are people out there who actually have these opinions. Call me naive...

Abi

General Septem
08-23-2006, 04:06 PM
Haha, sorry. It's just sometimes I can't believe there are people out there who actually have these opinions. Call me naive...

Abi
I enjoy your company too. :D

rawsugar
08-23-2006, 04:13 PM
I enjoy your company too. :D

Thanks :D
I enjoyed reading your comment on my blog on myspace
Abi x

General Septem
08-23-2006, 04:22 PM
Thanks :D
I enjoyed reading your comment on my blog on myspace
Abi x
Haha anytime :D

Brains_Behind_Operation
08-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Haha, sorry. It's just sometimes I can't believe there are people out there who actually have these opinions. Call me naive...

Abi

Which opinions are you unable to believe that people have? Your posts like this one around this forum leave question as to just which side of the argument you are for.

rawsugar
08-23-2006, 05:10 PM
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Which opinions are you unable to believe that people have? Your posts like this one around this forum leave question as to just which side of the argument you are for.

I am for open mindedness. I don't see it as a simple two sided thing. The opinions I am unable to believe are those expressed in the original post by this_is_bullshit.

I'm not sure as to which other posts you are refering to, but I understand my opinions may not always seem particually consistent. This is because I don't assume that I know everything about an issue, indeed I know I don't, and some members of this forum have made me look at things from a different perspective and possibly alter my viewpoint