The End of the World is at Hand!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

:eek: That's right, the end of the world is very close at hand indeed. Everyone went crazy over the Y2K scare, but they didn't think enough about it, and what little significance the number 2000 really has. But things have been building to the real end of the world in the next month. With things like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, Mindless Wars with every government holding their finger over the button to fire the nukes, and even global warming, it's obvious that something REALLY big is about to happen. And what better time could be chosen than the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year? That's right, coming up is the date 6/6/6:eek: . Three sixes in a row, the symbol of the devil. If the end of the world is not now, then it will never be, at least in our lifetimes. So repent for the next couple of weeks, and if we're all lucky enough for me to be wrong then we can celebrate and stop worrying about stupid little things that might bring the end of the world, because it's never really going to happen!!

[hkdbadreligion]

Yeah. Its overrated. Nothing will happen because it's expected. When that day passes we shall all laugh at you. And it's 6/6/06.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yeah. Its overrated. Nothing will happen because it's expected. When that day passes we shall all laugh at you. And it's 6/6/06.

^^ And the first hellbound candidate steps forward ^^

[jonilaine]

Yeah..you should hear some of these "Christian" women that go to my former church. They believe that we are all going to Hell in a handbasket with pretty little ribbon wrapped around it...preferably yellow. I don't know..I like yellow.

[hkdbadreligion]

Ok... sure. We're all gonna die! If we only have about two weeks left to live then why are we wasting it on the computer?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Just the fact that you're spitting in the face of a prophet :o :p :o

[jonilaine]

Just the fact that you're spitting in the face of a prophet :o :p :o


All hail the all mighty Brains Behind Operation Man....*Bows and kisses your mighty feet* All hail the prophet of my soul...;)

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

All hail the all mighty Brains Behind Operation Man....*Bows and kisses your mighty feet* All hail the prophet of my soul...;)


Lol, thanks hun. But you might not want to get your mouth too close to my feet, I haven't washed them in the last couple days and don't really care WHAT I walk through.:cool:

[hkdbadreligion]

Gods dont have dirty feet, for they dont walk on the ground... they hover. You are not God!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Who said I was God? I'm just prophesizing the end of the world. And you sure have some narrow ideas of just what it is that God does, knowing without a doubt as you do that he's too good to walk on the ground that he created.

[beelzebub]

Just the fact that you're spitting in the face of a prophet :o :p :o

I spew vomit from my mouth!

[hkdbadreligion]

Tom Green is fucking God... though, not having sex with God... but is God. Fuck you and the ground you walk on.

[jonilaine]

Lol, thanks hun. But you might not want to get your mouth too close to my feet, I haven't washed them in the last couple days and don't really care WHAT I walk through.:cool:

I bow to the ground that you walk on and the shit that you walk through..for you are the phrophet of my soul and of my world!

[this_is_bullshit]

:eek: That's right, the end of the world is very close at hand indeed. Everyone went crazy over the Y2K scare, but they didn't think enough about it, and what little significance the number 2000 really has. But things have been building to the real end of the world in the next month. With things like 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, Mindless Wars with every government holding their finger over the button to fire the nukes, and even global warming, it's obvious that something REALLY big is about to happen. And what better time could be chosen than the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year? That's right, coming up is the date 6/6/6:eek: . Three sixes in a row, the symbol of the devil. If the end of the world is not now, then it will never be, at least in our lifetimes. So repent for the next couple of weeks, and if we're all lucky enough for me to be wrong then we can celebrate and stop worrying about stupid little things that might bring the end of the world, because it's never really going to happen!!


BTW that's the mark of the beast, not the devil, which BTW is another over-rated number. Pick up a Bible or a Tora, investigate the origins of this so-called evil number. I am not arguing the number or the implied evil, just the every day use of it as a bad number is a tad over rated & under researched.

Edit: I do not believe that the end is that near, but I suppose everyone will get all worked up over it anyway.

/ramble off.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

BTW that's the mark of the beast, not the devil, which BTW is another over-rated number.

Don't bring down my prophesy! I don't know if your claims are true or not, but I know that your average person will relate the number 666 to the Devil if anything. Just let it fly for now, and then laugh at me when I'm wrong altogether!!

[jonilaine]

BTW that's the mark of the beast, not the devil, which BTW is another over-rated number. Pick up a Bible or a Tora, investigate the origins of this so-called evil number. I am not arguing the number or the implied evil, just the every day use of it as a bad number is a tad over rated & under researched.

Edit: I do not believe that the end is that near, but I suppose everyone will get all worked up over it anyway.

/ramble off.

Well yeah...that's is what we are kinda getting at...I mean if I created the number 666 in sand and built a fire around it and bowed down to it every night...then maybe that would be considered evil...but consecutive 6's in the date...I don't think so!

[hkdbadreligion]

its fuckin not consecutive 6's. it is a six, a second six, then a zero and a six.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Just keep on finding ways around it.....it's still three sixes. Just because YOU write it differently doesn't make it any less significant. It's three sixes, the zero can easily be ignored, either give it a chance and repent, or take your chances and piss on it and go to hell when you're wrong!

[silvery moon]

Ah, come on.. People can't be serious about this :p
666 is just a stupid number with little meaning
I mean, really.. We only started counting from the day that Jesus died.. or got born.. or something like that..
And anyway, imagine that 666 was real.. Why didn't the world end in year 6? Why does it have to be 2006? And why not 1006? Or 3006? And what about 6666? Or 666? At least that would've made 'some' sense
Anyway, why do we people think we're so important that just because we made up some numbers and started counting, it should be the end of the world? What about the rest of the world: the other animals, the plants etc. They don't know numbers, they don't count
Seriously, there's no need to worry about a stupid meaningless number like 666
It's just something people made up, and people are just small and mortal organisms that think they're powerful and important, when really they're not:)

Ps: What about other countries? Like China.. They're living in an entirely different century, aren't they? Cause they started counting long before we did.. Or am I mistaken?

[hkdbadreligion]

agreed.... somewhat.

[General Septem]

I feel I should point out that the mark of the beast is not three sixes; it is six hundred sixty-six. Most bible scholars agree that "666" actually refers to the Roman emperor Nero, who started the persecution of early Christians. The book of Revelation is written in Greek and the same letters are also used as numerals. The Greek representation of Nero adds up to 666.

A mistake a lot of people may be making is that a lot of people think that Revelation only applies to the end times which is going to begin some time in the possibly near future. I disagree, as do many other Catholics; the world has been destroying itself since the fall of Adam and Eve. The plagues, famine, persecution, heresy, and all the other bad stuff that is mentioned in Revelation? News flash: it's been going on since Creation. Revelation isn't about some 7-year period in which all these things are all of a sudden going to happen and destroy the world; it's about how the world has been destroying itself since the fall of Adam and Eve.

Either way, it's not three sixes; it's six hundred sixty-six; so the whole 2006.06.06 thing is nothing to worry about.

Besides, didn't Jesus say the end will come like a thief in the night? Why would a thief choose such an obvious time to come? :D

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

but it's not obvious! As far as I know I'm the only crackpot to think it up!!

[General Septem]

but it's not obvious! As far as I know I'm the only crackpot to think it up!!

Yeah, you and whoever wrote all these chain letters that like 30 of my 50 friends on myspace have reposted within the last month. :P

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yeah, you and whoever wrote all these chain letters that like 30 of my 50 friends on myspace have reposted within the last month. :P


So I know how to advertise :o

[silvery moon]

Hmm.. I'm not sure whether the end will 'suddenly' come like a thief in the night, unless we'll be struck a meteorite or something. And also, I think that by the time the world ends, human beings will long be gone (or evolution might have turned us into entirely different creatures). Anyway, it's probably something that won't happen until millions and millons of years, since the earth itself is 4 and a half billion years old.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

....it's probably something that won't happen until millions and millons of years, since the earth itself is 4 and a half billion years old.


Even that in itself may be debatable. I've heard people who say that the world is no more than about 6,000 years old. They post some good arguments for the idea too. Their evidence is just as concrete as the evidence against them, and they argue that the schools should not be teaching only the one possibility.

[General Septem]

Hmm.. I'm not sure whether the end will 'suddenly' come like a thief in the night, unless we'll be struck a meteorite or something. And also, I think that by the time the world ends, human beings will long be gone (or evolution might have turned us into entirely different creatures). Anyway, it's probably something that won't happen until millions and millons of years, since the earth itself is 4 and a half billion years old.
Well, I personally am not going to live millions of years, so the end of my world will come sometime in my life, specifically, right at the very end of it. I'm assuming this is the same case for everyone. What if someone goes out and gets shot by a sniper, or run over by a car? That's pretty sudden and it's pretty much the end of the world for them.

[silvery moon]

Yeah, I know there have been debates about the Earth's age, but it's a fact that the Earth is a lot older than just 6000 years. It's a scientifically proven fact. And I don't know, perhaps you don't like scientists or you think that they're making all of their facts up, but there's simply way too much evidence to proof the Earth's real age. 3.9 billion year old rocks have been found, some including 4.2 year old minerals. And evolution could've never occurred within 6000 years..
Seriously, if you say that the evidence for the Earth to be 6000 years old is just as concrete as the evidence against that, you haven't done your research well enough:o

And General Septem, I was talking about the end of the world, not about the end of the world for a person. We must have misunderstood each other.

[hkdbadreligion]

Lets agree to disagree. We are all going to die someday... who cares if it happens in five days?

[General Septem]

And General Septem, I was talking about the end of the world, not about the end of the world for a person. We must have misunderstood each other.
No, I understood you. But you were responding to my "thief in the night" comment, so I was explaining as to why the "end of the world" might be sudden for some people or gradual for others.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yeah, I know there have been debates about the Earth's age, but it's a fact that the Earth is a lot older than just 6000 years. It's a scientifically proven fact. And I don't know, perhaps you don't like scientists or you think that they're making all of their facts up, but there's simply way too much evidence to proof the Earth's real age. 3.9 billion year old rocks have been found, some including 4.2 year old minerals.

Not necessarily, all these scientifically proven facts about the earth's age have been refuted. I've heard that they use circular reasoning to state the age of fossils and land at certain depths. They say that they know the age of a fossil by the comparing it to the age of the depth it was found at. Conversely, they know the age of the land by comparing it to the age of fossils found in those areas. Now I haven't done my research, but this is all stuff that I heard from a man with a Doctorate in the area, and who was able to shoot down every debate that tried to prove that his theories were insane.



And evolution could've never occurred within 6000 years..
Seriously, if you say that the evidence for the Earth to be 6000 years old is just as concrete as the evidence against that, you haven't done your research well enough:o

You're right, I haven't done my research on the issue and I don't care to. There is way too much to look at in this debate for it to be worth my time. However, EVOLUTION did not neccessarily happen so with other explanations for things 6000 years is plenty of time. That doctor I was talking about? He offers $100,000 for PROOF that evolution has happened, arguing that CREATION is the truth. He's been offering it for quite some time but noone has been able to live up to the challenge. Don't get me wrong, I still think that these theories are a bit out there, but after hearing him talk I'm not taking sides either way until I am more convinced.

[General Septem]

And evolution could've never occurred within 6000 years..
Actually, it couldn't have happened in six billion years either. Why? Because the odds of the primortial soup theory happening is 1:10^100,000. Now, let me just provide some comparisons here. There isn't 10^100,000 particles in the universe. There isn't even 10^100 particles in the universe. 1:10^50 is considered to be impossible.

Microbes have been studied under microscopes ever since microscopes were invented. Not a single one of them has "evolved" into anything. In fact, nothing's evolved into anything for as long as we've been keeping track.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Why? Because as Catholics, the only thing we're required to believe is that God is the source of all Creation, that we are decended from an actual Adam and Eve, and that Adam and Eve disobeyed God which led to being cast out of paradise and the original sin. If evolution were to be proven, which it never will be until we either find some mirror floating in space lightyears away that allows us to see into our past, or in some other way travel back in time and see what really happened. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't change what Catholicism teaches.

[silvery moon]

Actually, it couldn't have happened in six billion years either. Why? Because the odds of the primortial soup theory happening is 1:10^100,000. Now, let me just provide some comparisons here. There isn't 10^100,000 particles in the universe. There isn't even 10^100 particles in the universe. 1:10^50 is considered to be impossible.

Could you maybe explain what you mean by 'the odds of the primortial soup theory happening is 1:10^100,000?' And do you also have some evidence about that, because I've never heard about it and it sounds interesting. And I also don't get how we've been able to count the particles in the universe when we don't even know how far the universe goes..

Re: Microbes have been studied under microscopes ever since microscopes were invented. Not a single one of them has "evolved" into anything. In fact, nothing's evolved into anything for as long as we've been keeping track.

Well, that I know is not true. Haven't you ever heard about Darwin's pidgeons? And how about the galapagos turtles? There has been enough recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations:)

By the way, this quote system is really weird ^^

[General Septem]

RE: Could you maybe explain what you mean by 'the odds of the primortial soup theory happening is 1:10^100,000?' And do you also have some evidence about that, because I've never heard about it and it sounds interesting. And I also don't get how we've been able to count the particles in the universe when we don't even know how far the universe goes..

That was come up with by some scientist. I don't remember who, but I know he wasn't religious. I'm assuming it had something to do with the odds of a pool of protein being created out of nothing, the odds of it being a suitable environment for life, and so on. As for the universe, we do have a rough idea of how big it is, and we know for a fact that there are less than 10^100 particles in it.

RE: Well, that I know is not true. Haven't you ever heard about Darwin's pidgeons? And how about the galapagos turtles? There has been enough recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations:)

I know about Galapagos, and that island's been that way ever since we've discovered it. I'm not saying genetic changes haven't happened as a result of one's environment. I'm saying microbes could not have evolved into monkeys and then into humans, and especially not in 6 billion years.

[silvery moon]

Even though what you're saying is very interesting, it doesn't sound too convincing to me. Because we really don't know how big the universe is, we have no idea. We don't even know if there are more solar systems. And did you know that the universe is expanding?

And I still don't understand the story about the scientists of whom you don't know the names. The odds of a pool of protein being created out of 'nothing' is zero. Nothing can be created out of nothing. So, might there be a website about that theory? I've been googling (hehe, love that word) about the whole particles thing, but I just can't find anything..

But you do know how evolution goes right? You understand what natural selection is and you get the whole mutation-of-genes-matter? There's also artificial selection, that's what Darwin did with his pigeons. It's the same as natural selection, except that humans do the selecting instead of nature. It goes a lot faster that way. That's how we actually made pidgeons evolve in a short time:D

Hehe, I know it sounds strange that such a tiny microbe can evolve into a monkey or a human being, but 4.5 billion years (cause that's the Earth's age, not 6 billion years) is a long long time ^^ Well, maybe you should do some googling yourself. I know it sure helped me to answer some questions.

By the way, you probably understand that I'm not trying to say that God doesn't exist and that the content of the bible was created by humans, because one doesn't exclude the other, right?

[General Septem]

Now that you're familiar with Google, here's another site you may find useful:

www.wikipedia.org

Specifically, look up "Googol" and look for this bit of information in the random trivia:

*A googol is greater than the number of particles in the known universe, which has been variously estimated from 10^72 up to 10^87.

We're talking about the known universe here because what's outside the known universe is irrelevant to us. We know it's not much more than 13 billion lightyears in radius because that's approximately how long ago the Big Bang was. Space itself may be bigger than that, but certainly not the difference between 10^100 and 10^100,000.

The universe is expanding but we'll always have the same amount of matter we've always had, and as vast as that is, it is still finite, and however you add it up, if the odds of something happening are 1:10^100,000 it's not happening.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So just how do they come up with this probability of 1:10^100,000 anyway? What specifically makes it THAT improbable, when we're far from able to measure anything even in that ammount of nanoseconds within anybody's lifetime.

[General Septem]

So just how do they come up with this probability of 1:10^100,000 anyway? What specifically makes it THAT improbable, when we're far from able to measure anything even in that ammount of nanoseconds within anybody's lifetime.
Eh. I don't know where the source is from. Honestly I could care less because like I said it wouldn't change anything.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Eh. I don't know where the source is from. Honestly I could care less because like I said it wouldn't change anything.


On the contrary, if the source's reasoning isn't at all credible, then it kills the entire argument. You argue that this is how possible it is for evolution to take place, but I am asking that the numbers be explained. If this is just some random number that someone came up with then it could just as well be a chance of 1:10^10 or even smaller....just throwing out random numbers. In a smaller number of probability evolution becomes much more credible a theory, I would just like to understand.

[General Septem]

On the contrary, if the source's reasoning isn't at all credible, then it kills the entire argument. You argue that this is how possible it is for evolution to take place, but I am asking that the numbers be explained. If this is just some random number that someone came up with then it could just as well be a chance of 1:10^10 or even smaller....just throwing out random numbers. In a smaller number of probability evolution becomes much more credible a theory, I would just like to understand.
It wasn't just a random number. What I meant by it not changing anything is that whether or not the primordial sea theory happened doesn't matter.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It wasn't just a random number. What I meant by it not changing anything is that whether or not the primordial sea theory happened doesn't matter.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just trying to understand. So if could please explain why you understand it this way.

[General Septem]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just trying to understand. So if could please explain why you understand it this way.
It's a figure I heard somewhere. I remember hearing that it was figured out by some scientist or professor and that he wasn't religious. But I don't know where the guy I heard it from got his information.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It's a figure I heard somewhere. I remember hearing that it was figured out by some scientist or professor and that he wasn't religious. But I don't know where the guy I heard it from got his information.


So until that is at least understood, you shouldn't be arguing in favor of it. But I was moreso wondering why you said that it doesn't matter whether or not the primordial sea theory happened.

[General Septem]

So until that is at least understood, you shouldn't be arguing in favor of it. But I was moreso wondering why you said that it doesn't matter whether or not the primordial sea theory happened.
Ohh. It doesn't matter because it doesn't interfere with Catholicism. All one is required to believe is:

* God created matter our of nothing
* The creation of humans, however they arose in history, was designed by God and he breathed a human soul into Adam
* Woman was formed from the body of man.
* All humanity is decended from Adam and Eve.
* Adam and Eve were created without sin.
* Adam and Eve were commanded to be obedient to God.
* Adam adn Eve sinned against this commandment.
* As a result of that sin, they fell from their state of sinless innocence.
* That even at the time of the fall, God made clear the promise of a future Redeemer.

It's the "however they arose in history" that is relevant here. Whatever happened wouldn't change these events.

[hkdbadreligion]

Well, BBO... we're still here. Feel like an idiot now?

[silvery moon]

Come on.. He never seriously thought the world was gonna end yesterday, did he?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Well, BBO... we're still here. Feel like an idiot now?


Nope, I just got an update yesterday. It turns out it wasn't the end of the world.....but moreso the BEGINNING of the end of the world. They said that somewhere on the planet the Anti-Christ was born on 6/6/06. So maybe we should go around and kill every baby that was born yesterday to make sure that none of them can grow into a combination of a successful Hitler/Stalin/BinLaden/Castro/McVeigh.

[silvery moon]

No-one's born a monster. You need people to raise them into becoming monsterous.

[General Septem]

No-one's born a monster. You need people to raise them into becoming monsterous.
That's a good point. The devil is incapable of creating things; he can only corrupt what's already been created. The devil thus can't create a child in anyone's womb, and therefore God would've had to create such child. And God would not create someone to have the soul of Satan.

[Paisleyspeaker]

I feel like being longwinded and pedantic.
"the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name"
" This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666." Revalation 13:18

This verse comes from a chapter about the beast of the earth , the second of several beast released when Christ the Lamb breaks the seals on the scroll. Much has been said about the number/name/title of 666. It has been linked to Nero Ceasar, as the early christians had about a million reasons to hate him. And because he had his own face on roman coins, he was thought to match earlier phrases in this chapter abuot needing to have the mark of the beast for any commerce.
It has also been linked through numerology to the anchient Greek words for "latin speaking man" , "the latin kingdom", "italian church", "apostates" , and "tradition". Also linked to the latin words/phrases: VICARIUS FILII DEI translated VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of FILII - means son DEI - means God , DUX CLERI translated means Captain of the Clergy, LUDOVICUS translated means Vicar of the Court. These words and phrases when you add the letters that are also roman numbers they add up to 666. Which must of come from the dark ages, when theh church was the largest political body, and it was natural to believe that a leader that powerful would come through the church, since it's pinnacle of power outranked even kings.

St. Irenæus suggested that this beast was the same spoken of in Daniel 7:7-28.
Both books speak of a kingdom , that will be diffrent from all other kingdoms, one that will devour those before it. A global government under a tyrant. he will " speak against the Most High, and oppress the saints and try to change the set times and the laws."
I personally agree with Steven Colbert , the beast is Ronald Wilson Reagan, as each of his names has six letters.
:p ;) :D :cool:

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

That's a good point. The devil is incapable of creating things; he can only corrupt what's already been created. The devil thus can't create a child in anyone's womb, and therefore God would've had to create such child. And God would not create someone to have the soul of Satan.


You assume too much, which may only have relevance from things that have been written by certain religious authors. What if they had gotten things wrong? What if they wrote these sorts of claims because they wanted to believe them? Maybe the devil has more power than we think.

But maybe, the devil simply took one of God's children on 6/6/6 and breathed his own soul into the child. God would not interfere with this child after the fact, because God does not interfere with life on earth, right? Think outside the box and give these ideas a chance to be possible. Refuting it with some outrageous claims does not make you sound smarter, and does not make you any more right.

[General Septem]

But maybe, the devil simply took one of God's children on 6/6/6 and breathed his own soul into the child. God would not interfere with this child after the fact, because God does not interfere with life on earth, right? Think outside the box and give these ideas a chance to be possible. Refuting it with some outrageous claims does not make you sound smarter, and does not make you any more right.

It's the only possibility that makes sense, which is why they made these claims. When a child is created, God puts a soul into the child. The devil can influence the child's soul through false teachings and such, but there is always the distinct possibility of the person following his or her conscience. With God, anything is possible.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Eventually it will happen. It's in Daniel and Revalation. Right?

[General Septem]

Eventually it will happen. It's in Daniel and Revalation. Right?
Revelation's been happening since the fall of Adam and Eve. Something will eventually happen, but I don't believe any one human being can be intrinsically evil, much less from conception.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Revelation's been happening since the fall of Adam and Eve. Something will eventually happen, but I don't believe any one human being can be intrinsically evil, much less from conception.


Maybe not from conception, but then again maybe there was no hope since conception. Who's to say that the devil has not been planning something like this for centuries? If so, then all of the pieces have already been set in place, and even though the child is not evil at conception, everything has already been sorted out so that things can happen no other way.

[General Septem]

Maybe not from conception, but then again maybe there was no hope since conception. Who's to say that the devil has not been planning something like this for centuries? If so, then all of the pieces have already been set in place, and even though the child is not evil at conception, everything has already been sorted out so that things can happen no other way.
Even if everything the child was exposed to would make him evil, if God wanted his soul then the child's conscience would prevent him from becoming evil.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So god has prevented every child from becomming evil? Has there never been anyone whose soul God didn't save? Has every child's conciense prevented him from becomming evil? I think that it's afe to say that it is completely possible for a child to become evil, because we know of so many that have. I think that anyone who does nothing in life that isn't for his own personal gain is evil, and we all know that there are MANY of those types of people in the world. I'm sure that at least one will rise from the children who were born on the sixth. And who's to say that God will force his concience to get the best of him?

Don't hide from possibilites that frighten you. You'd be much better off if you prepare for their outcome.

[General Septem]

I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to become a slave to evil. Obviously a lot of people are. I'm just saying that it is entirely possible for God to foil the devil's "fool-proof" plan if such a thing existed. I'm just saying that it's impossible for anyone to be intrinsically evil. There may be people in whom there is little good, but as long as they are God's creations - which they are - there is good in them and there is always a chance of repenting.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Maybe, but that is a very strong assumption. You have no proof or real knowledge of just how true it is. All that we have to go off of is your belief, a belief that has been branded into your brain since conception, or at least birth at the latest. Do you think that if you were born in an extremely different culture that you would still hold the same strong convictions about just what God is, what he can and can't do, and what he would and would not allow to happen here on Earth? I highly doubt it, because you would have been taught differently. We can only believe that which we have been taught, nothing more; but there's always the chance for less.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Also....even if it were possible for God to stop the Devil's plan, who's to say that he will? Maybe our time has come, and God is allowing the Devil to finish the job.....maybe God is allowing us to decide once and for all which direction to take....and maybe God is simply not interfering with what happens on Earth, regardless of if someone else (the Devil) is.


***Maybe the Earth isn't flat. We'll never know for certain unless we consider and study the other Crazy possibilities that are presented.***

[General Septem]

I'm not saying He will. I'm just saying that everything is possible with God.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yet your messages are comming accross as saying that these ideas that I'm throwing out are not possible BECAUSE of God....

[General Septem]

I never said it was impossible for the world to end, and in fact it's almost certain. I'm just responding to your assertion that the anti-christ is born on 6/6/06.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I never said it was impossible for the world to end, and in fact it's almost certain. I'm just responding to your assertion that the anti-christ is born on 6/6/06.


Well until we know for certain that I'm wrong, it doesn't hurt to consider that I'm right!

[silvery moon]

Still, if it's 6/6/06 why didn't it happen 1000 years ago in 1006? Or why won't it happen in 3006? I don't get that, please explain it to me

Unfortunately I can't even consider that you're right, because I simply don't believe in God, the devil, souls, 666 or anything that has to do with that sort of stuff. Neither do I believe in time, I think we humans made up time. Years, days, numbers, we only made them up to make living in a society easier.

And anyway, if the monster would indeed be a human being with the devil's soul he wouldn't be able to make the world end. Not in a lifetime anyway. No human can, no matter how evil or powerful they are.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Still, if it's 6/6/06 why didn't it happen 1000 years ago in 1006? Or why won't it happen in 3006? I don't get that, please explain it to me

Because if it happens at any of those other times then it is absolutely irrelevant to my life or anyone else's that I'll know and MANY generations of their offspring as well. Plus, we've been here plenty long enough and we've done far too much evil while we were around for anybody to allow us to exist much longer.






And anyway, if the monster would indeed be a human being with the devil's soul he wouldn't be able to make the world end. Not in a lifetime anyway. No human can, no matter how evil or powerful they are.


Why do you think that? I'm sure that with the right ammount of influence and enough nukes someone can start WWIII, get everyone to kill everyone else, and let those who avoided the initial blast to slowly die from the radiation poisoning and irradication of all the agriculture and what not.

[silvery moon]

Do you think God or who-ever you think is in charge actually cares about whether it's relevant to your life or not? And far too much evil.. I'm sure a lot more evil can be done.. And if it's 6/6/06 it might be 1906 as well, right? Or 2106? And being here plenty long enough is a weird argument, if you look at the Earth's age we haven't been here that long.

We endured two world wars and the world hasn't ended, now has it? A world war may kill many people, but certainly not all people. Even if there's radiation poisoning or whatever, there'll always be some place away from the radiation, where people are still alive. And anyway, I don't think the entire world is stupid enough to believe one man or woman and start a world war. We've pretty much learned our lesson after Hitler. I mean, it doesn't mean that we can't be influenced anymore, but I don't think we'll start a third world war.

[General Septem]

If you're afraid of WWIII, consider this. A lot of people classify the Cold War as WWIII. And going by that, some people classify the War on Terror, as it were, as WWIV. If that's as bad as a World War gets, I don't think we're in too much trouble.

However, if the wrong person gets their hands on the wrong shit, we could be in for a really hot summer.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Do you think God or who-ever you think is in charge actually cares about whether it's relevant to your life or not? And far too much evil.. I'm sure a lot more evil can be done..


I didn't say that God cared. I CARE! If it's going to happen some other time then there is no reason to be talking about it because it won't affect me! Regardless of whether or not it will happen in my lifetime, I'm just having fun under the consideration that it is happening now!




We endured two world wars and the world hasn't ended, now has it? A world war may kill many people, but certainly not all people. Even if there's radiation poisoning or whatever, there'll always be some place away from the radiation, where people are still alive. And anyway, I don't think the entire world is stupid enough to believe one man or woman and start a world war. We've pretty much learned our lesson after Hitler. I mean, it doesn't mean that we can't be influenced anymore, but I don't think we'll start a third world war.


So if some guy steps up and starts pointing nukes at everyone who doesn't follow him, you don't think that we won't get scared enough to attack him before he fires them? How about after he's fired off a couple of them? Will those of us who disagree with him just sit back and enjoy the show? Or will we start fighting back to try and save our way of life? It won't take long for the entire world to get involved with it, thus starting a World War 3. We've all been waiting in suspense for the finalẻ of this trilogy for far too long. Eventually it's going to kill A LOT of people, and leave many others to die. Maybe one or two will survive here and there.....but maybe they won't be able to keep the human race going and we'll die off all together. The end has to come some time, all it will take is some crackpot who can influence a group of crackpots who believe that they are the only ones who deserve to be here....and then....~~~~~~~??

[Paisleyspeaker]

The beast of biblical prophecy is not a man, he may look like, or speak like a man, but is never called anything but the beast. And He is not the first beast, but the second beast who has the name/number/title of 666.He is supposed to make people worship the first beast. And this is God's plan , not the devil's. In Revalatioin the beasts's rising was caused by the seals on the holy scroll being broken, and the only one who could open the scroll was the lamb, Christ.
Silvery one, to me it would be immposible not to believe in God. I would have no way to expain the beautiful symetry of life, or the coinidences I have experienced. I had an absolute stranger walk up to me in the middle of a very large city , call me by name, and tell me the names of two people who were waiting for me, then 2 years later when I moved to Florida, I met both these people, one worked with my husband and another was our neighbor. Another neighbor gave me a silver bead with my name engraved in it, she had been givin the bead years earlier by an old woman who said she would meet someone with that name and to give it to her. My first name is Helen, and there is almost no one my age with that name. I inheirted it. If not something divine, how else can you explain it.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

If you're afraid of WWIII, consider this. A lot of people classify the Cold War as WWIII. And going by that, some people classify the War on Terror, as it were, as WWIV. If that's as bad as a World War gets, I don't think we're in too much trouble.


The cold war was never really a war, no fighting ever occurred. It was more of an anti-war, and from what I understand it was only between the US and Russia (or the Soviet Union or whatever they wanted to be called back then). This is the same problem with your WWIV. It only really involves the US and the Middle East...maybe other countries that the Arabs are attacking, but far from the entire world. I know that we Americans think that the US is the World, but that's because we're arogant idiots. You'll know for certain when WWIII begins. We haven't seen any previews for it yet, but when you do there won't be any doubt.

[General Septem]

The cold war was never really a war, no fighting ever occurred. It was more of an anti-war, and from what I understand it was only between the US and Russia (or the Soviet Union or whatever they wanted to be called back then). This is the same problem with your WWIV. It only really involves the US and the Middle East...maybe other countries that the Arabs are attacking, but far from the entire world. I know that we Americans think that the US is the World, but that's because we're arogant idiots. You'll know for certain when WWIII begins. We haven't seen any previews for it yet, but when you do there won't be any doubt.
Well, those are just theories. It was nothing I ever even thought of until I saw them on Wikipedia. Just look up "World War III" and "World War IV" on Wikipedia.

[Paisleyspeaker]

the cold war may have been between USA and USSR but, we played ot out all over the world just ask the people of Korea, Vietnam, Cambodea, Laos, Afganistan, and Cuba.

[hkdbadreligion]

That's a good point. The devil is incapable of creating things; he can only corrupt what's already been created. The devil thus can't create a child in anyone's womb, and therefore God would've had to create such child. And God would not create someone to have the soul of Satan.
Only shows that God is an asshole and wants to destroy what he's built... If he exists.

[hkdbadreligion]

The beast of biblical prophecy is not a man, he may look like, or speak like a man, but is never called anything but the beast. And He is not the first beast, but the second beast who has the name/number/title of 666.He is supposed to make people worship the first beast. And this is God's plan , not the devil's. In Revalatioin the beasts's rising was caused by the seals on the holy scroll being broken, and the only one who could open the scroll was the lamb, Christ.
Silvery one, to me it would be immposible not to believe in God. I would have no way to expain the beautiful symetry of life, or the coinidences I have experienced. I had an absolute stranger walk up to me in the middle of a very large city , call me by name, and tell me the names of two people who were waiting for me, then 2 years later when I moved to Florida, I met both these people, one worked with my husband and another was our neighbor. Another neighbor gave me a silver bead with my name engraved in it, she had been givin the bead years earlier by an old woman who said she would meet someone with that name and to give it to her. My first name is Helen, and there is almost no one my age with that name. I inheirted it. If not something divine, how else can you explain it.
Coincidence laced with a little Evolution and LSD.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Evolution and LSD, hmmm? Do you know how hard it is to find LSD nowadays? When that lady stopped me , was probabaly one of the freakiest things that ever happened to me. How does evolution explain her knowing my name?

[hkdbadreligion]

No, that was the LSD.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Little boy, have you ever done LSD? Really, she probably would have had trouble with her own name. I am the walrus koo koo ka choo. I was dead sober. ;)
Face it, science can't explain everything yet. Someday maybe, but not today. You call the unknown what you want, and I'll call it what I want.:cool:

[LordRuin]

Well, God. First of all he is no god. He is the spawn of the aliens that learned us to make fire and to use tools. He, along with, Zeus, Odin, Vishnu and WhoTheFuck are all half-human, half-alien. The world is older than 6000 years, and I am not talking about 4 billion year old rocks here. I'm speaking of Egypt. They have written down every king, pharaoh, and whatever that has ruled their lands as far back as 12000bc. That is before the last Ice-Age. Read Eric von Däniken. So what if he believes in aliens, he have great arguments.

BTW we also have proof in the ice, that the world is more than 6000 years old. These more or less sensible proofs, along with a barrage of others testifies that the world is older than 6000 years old.

As for evolution. What the hell is all those dinosaur fosils then? Demons?

[General Septem]

Since when are dinosaurs proof of evolution?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

:rolleyes: ...no, no, no. You see what he's saying is that Dinosaurs didn't actually become extinct, they just evolved into the smaller beings that we see today. Triceratops into buffalo, t-rex into kangaroo, raptors into humans, bronciasaurs into girraffes, etc. :rolleyes: