The Mexicans Are Here To Stay!!

[meni21]

OK seriously, those of you who have no damn clue what it is to be a Mexican-American, in other words BORN IN THE USA. Let me tell you all something very important!

I was born here and damn it I will stay here and so will all the Mexicans that are here, I mean seriously who the hell cares if they stay or go. What harm are they doing to this country, NOTHING, on the contrary the majority come here to work and support their families. Those who come here to be criminals, well then fine send them back. Honestly though the entire Hispanic community is paying for it because of ignorant people. Why are people giving their opinion about something they obviously have no clue about anyway! Oh yeah this is a free country! Bullshit, so tell me why can't I take my kids to a store to buy some candy or whatever and not be harassed by some ignorant "family", who is teaching their kids to be racist. This only leads to really pissed off people all over the country, who only want to hurt each other.
BY charging the Mexicans with felony charges you gain absolutely nothing because they will just go home and turn right back around and come back later. This has been going on for decades and will never end unless the borders open up for EVERYONE! What is the big deal with Mexicans, why so much hate, you just might piss them off enough that they will come and take back their states, which by the way if damn near full of MEXICANS.

So deal with it, suck it up and get the hell over it because we are here to stay!! There is absolutely nothing that can be done to keep us out that has proven over the years and will continue to be that way!!![/B]

[beelzebub]

What harm are they doing to this country, NOTHING, on the contrary the majority come here to work and support their families.[/B]

No Illegal immigrants are harming our economy. They accept less pay for their work. Since employers are in competition with each other; employers that pay less for employees are at an advantage. Therefore US citizens are not hired (and they won’t work for that wage anyway). This is setting up many problems in our economy AND it is not fair for the illegal immigrant.


Oh yeah this is a free country! Bullshit, so tell me why I can’t take my kids to a store to buy some candy or whatever and not be harassed by some ignorant "family", who is teaching their kids to be racist. This only leads to really pissed off people all over the country, who only want to hurt each other.[/B]

They are free to be racist and you are free to be pissed off about it and whine about it on this forum. FREE!!!!! So yeah... it’s a Free Country.


There is absolutely nothing that can be done to keep us out that has proven over the years and will continue to be that way!!![/B]

Let’s hope not. If the new laws work there will be a way to keep them out: THEY WONT WANT TO COME because THERE WON’T BE ANY WORK FOR THEM. Which is very good for the desert ecosystems: they are getting tired of eating dried Mexicans.

Look I don’t want you to think I am anti-immigrant or anti-Mexican. Hell some of the best sex I have had is with Latinos and Mexicans! :D But do know... I am anti-illegal immigrant.

[meni21]

You Have A Point There, But Guess What I Am Still Pissed And Will Be Til I Die. Just Because I Know That This Will Never End!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

If you know that you cannot change something then why force yourself to complain about it and be pissed? Don't you think you'd live a lot happier if you just accepted and or ignored the things that you know are inevitable? What good does it serve to remain mad?

[meni21]

Seriously I'm not mad at what is going on, i'm mad at what ignorant things people say! I can be mad if I want and I assure you I am still happy all the time. That topic just hits close to home and I have to voice my opinion, just like everyone else. No matter who it might hurt, it's just the way I feel about, don't take offense to it.

Don't get me wrong any criminal should pay for what they've done period. Those who come here illegally should pay as well and let me tell you they do. My father for example came to the states illegally and for about 5 years he was illegal and let me tell you the government makes you pay! They make it seem like we want sympathy, NO we want to be heard, we want a chance to give our families good lives. What is so bad about that?! My father paid a huge fine to get that and still he works hard and pays taxes!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

NO we want to be heard, we want a chance to give our families good lives.


Then just do what it takes to become legal. After that you should be allowed to do everything that everyone else does. That doesn't mean that people will stop being racist though. Everybody has some type of people who look at them and get the wrong impressions and therefore are racist against them. I don't mind it, I deal with it. What bothers me is that certain races get special laws that makes it illegal to be racist against them, but that don't apply to all races.

[meni21]

I am so not "ILLEGAL", as a matter of fact I was born in Chicago, IL! When I say "we" I am referring to people of race! Know what I mean? Anyhow I know that I can do what I want but what about those people who are here illegally and have been since birth! I mean really is it there fault that there parents didn't do the right thing! It shouldn't be that way, oh well, my questions are pretty much irrelevant since I have no say within the government! Damn that's too bad because immigration isn't the only topic I'd give a piece of my mind to!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I mean really is it there fault that there parents didn't do the right thing!


No it's not their fault. But neither do they have the right to remain in the country until they can attain citizenship. It's not an issue of who's to blame, the country shouldn't have to accept some children as citizens because their parents were able to give birth on our side of the border. Both the children and their illegal parents should be shipped back to the shithole that they abandoned imediately.

[tommygun]

Shouldn't we be worried about why they tried to abandon the shithole they came from? It musta been really bad if they had to get into the states illegally. You may be worried about what effect its going to have on your economy but think about whats going on in their country. Try to see both sides of the argument before you make an opinion.

[beelzebub]

Shouldn't we be worried about why they tried to abandon the shithole they came from? It musta been really bad if they had to get into the states illegally. You may be worried about what effect its going to have on your economy but think about whats going on in their country. Try to see both sides of the argument before you make an opinion.

NO. We need to worry about ourselves. The USA cannot and will not take in all the poor from ever country. Why should we? We are not obligated to do so just because we have a good thing going. Let them fight for what they need, not run away.

Hell!... Isn't that what the originators of America did?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Shouldn't we be worried about why they tried to abandon the shithole they came from? It musta been really bad if they had to get into the states illegally. You may be worried about what effect its going to have on your economy but think about whats going on in their country. Try to see both sides of the argument before you make an opinion.


No, legal is legal. If you robbed a billionare because you were going to take his money and spread it among the people who obviously needed it more than he does that doesn't make it any more acceptable. Everyone needs to go about things in a legal way and stop taking the side of the criminal. Taking the side of the criminal, or just showing pity for him, only fosters more crime.

[tommygun]

Then maybe something should be done to make it easier for them to come legally. What I'm saying is that you guys are really only worrying about yourselves which seems like a pretty awful thing to do, so try thinking about other people too.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I don't know what it takes to become legal, so I don't know how difficult or fair it is. Why don't you tell me what it takes?

[meni21]

OK let me clear something up for all of you!!! Shithole, perhaps in some parts of MEXICO, but that country which I like to call the Motherland, is just like the USA some nice places some shitty places!! If you have been to Mexico, not just one part of it, you would know! I can tell that none of you have been to Mexico, but rather heard ridiculous stories from some idiot!!

If we Immigrants are coming here it is because they NEED to not so much because they WANT to!! I mean really I am so sure that they like to be underpaid and treated like shit without any rights. There are alot of advantages and disadvantages of living in Mexico as well as here.

Anyway, there is no reason to argue about something that none of us can fix, unless of course you think like the MinuteMen and think killing Mexicans is the answer! Stupid idiots, that's their right to kill in this "FREE COUNTRY", right?!

If this country is all about killing and hurting people to make them understand, so be it, but DAMN IT, it's not just MEXICANS. There are people that come in from Canada that are from different countries as well and people who enter illegally to Mexico to get to the USA. Think about that too, instead of making ridiculous comments about MEXICANS only!!!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Of course we're only talking about Mexicans, look at the topic of the thread! Of any of us you should know that, since you started the thread. Don't get mad when we're just staying on topic.

I personally wouldn't like to live in Mexico because I've been around PLENTY of Mexicans and I am certain that I would not like their culture or lifestyle at all. Now if Mexico is as great as you say it is, then why are so many of your kind crossing the border and living here illegally? You say that they NEED to, what drives that need?

[Nobody]

No, legal is legal. If you robbed a billionare because you were going to take his money and spread it among the people who obviously needed it more than he does that doesn't make it any more acceptable. Everyone needs to go about things in a legal way and stop taking the side of the criminal. Taking the side of the criminal, or just showing pity for him, only fosters more crime.
Hey PEDOPHILE!!!!! Isn't that what 'Robinhood ' did? And dose'nt the term,' more guns, less crime',strike a nerve with you?

[Nobody]

OK let me clear something up for all of you!!! Shithole, perhaps in some parts of MEXICO, but that country which I like to call the Motherland, is just like the USA some nice places some shitty places!! If you have been to Mexico, not just one part of it, you would know! I can tell that none of you have been to Mexico, but rather heard ridiculous stories from some idiot!!

If we Immigrants are coming here it is because they NEED to not so much because they WANT to!! I mean really I am so sure that they like to be underpaid and treated like shit without any rights. There are alot of advantages and disadvantages of living in Mexico as well as here.

Anyway, there is no reason to argue about something that none of us can fix, unless of course you think like the MinuteMen and think killing Mexicans is the answer! Stupid idiots, that's their right to kill in this "FREE COUNTRY", right?!

If this country is all about killing and hurting people to make them understand, so be it, but DAMN IT, it's not just MEXICANS. There are people that come in from Canada that are from different countries as well and people who enter illegally to Mexico to get to the USA. Think about that too, instead of making ridiculous comments about MEXICANS only!!!
How many GODDAM ilegal CANADANS do you know are here, for a fact? My estamate is ZERO! You havent been there, or you don't pay attention to details! Every town you pass through in Canada, is flourishing. On the side of you inquest, of who's been to the 'MOTHER' fucker country, OF YOUR CHOICE! If the car you were in was stopped, and any questions that were asked, ( by Federallies, or Pirates) were intersepted by your parents! So the only other way you got deep in, was by plane, in which, you still , really don't know... then if it's the 'MOTHER' fucker country, you think is on your highest agenda. Then take your sorry ass there, and give it up to someone whos willing to wait for LEAGLE prosessing.. YOU FUCKING LEACH!!!!!

[Paisleyspeaker]

Meni you are very angry. I understand that people look at you and assume so you rant because of what we put on your plate. But your hurt and anger does not change the situation. I don't think Mexico is a shithole, but there is something these people are running from, something that makes them need to immegrate illegally. You get so angry at us for not being hospitable enough, But what about the other Mexicans? Where are they? Why arn't they helping their countrymen? What is the "motherland" doing to fix things? And how is their inaction possibly our fault?????

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Damn that was said well. I can only hope that if I didn't have my history with Mexicans that I would have written it just as elogantly.;)

^--it really is the same point that I am trying to get across.

[Paisleyspeaker]

BBO thank you.
There is something I need to add though.
Meni said something about it not just being Mexicans entering illegally. And there is something to that. There are illegals from all of central and south america entering through Mexico. But they are not all holding parades, and waving their flags. The attention on the Mexicans is self propigated. The illegal immegrants from Asia and Europe lay low. They are also more likely to be brought in by slave traders. It does still happen. People are held and made sex slaves, or they are sold to businesses as cheap labor. When you are in a new counrty, don't have family, or speak the languege, and are illegal you can't really go for help. You complain, but then again, you have the freedom to complain.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

When you are in a new counrty, don't have family, or speak the languege, and are illegal you can't really go for help. You complain, but then again, you have the freedom to complain.

Well....not if you're an illegal immigrant. I think that really takes away any of the freedoms given by the US Government.

Forgive my stereotypical point of view, but I generally qualify any Central American as a Mexican. I know that it is wrong some of the time, but it still generally gets the point across and leaves little confusion. As far as those illegals from the other continents, I have had little to complain about, probably because they lay low as you say. Anyways, problems get solved faster when you focus your attentions to them on a narrow but very significant cause of the problem. This narrow and significant cause strongly being the illegal Mexican immigrants in this case.

[Nobody]

Belmont county officials, cought a window van, with 14 illegal mexicans, in eastern Ohio. The officals called a division of I.N.S,( called I.C.E.,) out of Columbus, Ohio. I.C.E., told the police, to turn them loose. I.C.E., didn't have any place for them. So now Belmont county's policy is to let them go, but tow the vehicle. Now they have to walk the side of the Interstate highway, which is illegal, so they get arrested for that. In appluad Belmont county.

[General Septem]

Belmont county officials, cought a window van, with 14 illegal mexicans, in eastern Ohio. The officals called a division of I.N.S,( called I.C.E.,) out of Columbus, Ohio. I.C.E., told the police, to turn them loose. I.C.E., didn't have any place for them. So now Belmont county's policy is to let them go, but tow the vehicle. Now they have to walk the side of the Interstate highway, which is illegal, so they get arrested for that. In appluad Belmont county.
Congratulations. You have figured out that the government makes no sense.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Of course the government makes no sense. We have a congress that is stripping our rights one an a time in the name of security , while they leave our southern border unprotected. It is not only mexicans who come over that border.

[meni21]

First of all mister NOBODY, i'm sure that is exactly what you are, you have no idea who I am or where I came from to say the CRAP you said!!! You obviously have no clue about the situation that is going on now in this country w/ILLEGALS, not just MEXICANS, idiot!!

Paisleyspeaker, of course we're waiving our flags and parading in the streets because this country pointed out that it was us (Mexicans) who are illegal. Point blank there are millions of illegals from several countries, the thing is that we are the only ones that really give a shit and will stand up and fight.

Mexico is a beautiful place and if anyone knows this they would agree. The difference between Mexico and USA is that every dollar that is taken to Mexico converts into $10 pesos there and every peso from there is $.10 here, which would you prefer? Not to mention many Mexicans have family here that are very legal and they want to be near them as well. There are lots of reasons why Mexicans are here and who the hell are you or anyone to judge their reason?

I can't judge nor can you, all I am saying is that regardless of what is said or done, WE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paisleyspeaker]

Meni
The disparity in cash value exists all over the place. But other peoples have chosen do deal with it diffrently. In Jamica they took less in exchange to bolster their currency. I understand that Americans have put emphasis on Mexicans when there are illegals from many nations, and many from central and southern America, who are called 'mexicans'. But what are you fighting for, all I seem to hear is "we're here , get over it" well just what are you trying to accomplish? Is there a platform or group of ideas, is there an effort to make peace with your new neighbors? That large a group, if they joined with the labor unions, could make life better for everyone who works for a living.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So you're saying that you support the illegals, even though you don't have any idea of their reasons? Why are you living here if you think that Mexico is so great? Why do so many Mexicans come here illegally if Mexico is as great as you claim it to be?

[meni21]

BBO, Mexico is a wonderful country as is the USA, as I said before. The difference in the two is the value of each others currency. I mean seriously, if you knew that you could make more money for your family, wouldn't you do whatever it took to take care of them. I would much rather make $400-$500 per week than $50-$100 per week, WOULDN"T YOU?! Seriously that is what some people make in Mexico. I personally believe the ultimate reason for people coming here is to make more money and be free!!

These people, at least most of them, really do have a need and those who don't are the ones that shouldn't be here or be given the opportunity to be here legally.

Now I am not saying let's just hand these people over what they want, but at least let's do something so that those who can prove that they are law abiding good people can be here legally. I say "law abiding" as far as not breaking any laws other than entering illegally. My father came into the states illegally and he paid a pretty good penny to become legal, is that not enough! Not too mention those who work for years paying in taxes that they never get back, which by the way the government sure does know about that. Seriously though they are making a killing off those who pay and don't report at the end of the year. I'm sure there are losses in this country as well because of it, but I think that paying well near $10,000 per person to become legal is enough, DON'T YOU?!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

BBO, Mexico is a wonderful country as is the USA, as I said before. The difference in the two is the value of each others currency.


But don't things cost cheaper in Mexico too? I'd assume that $50 worth of groceries in Mexico is about the same as $400 here. Sounds to me like they're just trying to break the system and give their families a better lifestyle in doing so.



Now I am not saying let's just hand these people over what they want, but at least let's do something so that those who can prove that they are law abiding good people can be here legally. ... Not too mention those who work for years paying in taxes that they never get back, which by the way the government sure does know about that. ... I think that paying well near $10,000 per person to become legal is enough, DON'T YOU?!


If they got here illegally then it is hard to believe that they are law abiding good people otherwise, it's plenty possible that they have gotten away with other things and all that we know about is how they broke the law to get in.

You think that they don't get anything back from paying in taxes? Join the club! There are millions of legal Americans who don't see any return from the taxes that they pay, but they still do. Most of them pay more in taxes than your illegal friends do also.

If all that it takes to become a legal citizen is ten grand, then something is definately wrong. I honestly don't think that it should cost a penny to become a legal citizen, other than processing and handling charges. What it should take though is proof that a person is able to handle the socio-economic structure of the country, (language, cultures, customs, knowing the laws, etc.) and maybe a probationary period to make sure that they are sticking to the laws and paying all their taxes and fitting in well.

[monty_k]

NO. We need to worry about ourselves. The USA cannot and will not take in all the poor from ever country. Why should we? We are not obligated to do so just because we have a good thing going. Let them fight for what they need, not run away.

Hell!... Isn't that what the originators of America did?

the originators of america ran away from europe....
and they fought once they got there (true: and to prove it: the biggest genocide the world has ever known in the history of time........talking about the indians. Good Job!)
Anyway I do agree with you though.

Brain_for_.......something........dont be a hypocrite. You're being all cool when you were the first one to be racist towards mexicans, you even admitted your racism. Dont be fake dude.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Brain_for_.......something........dont be a hypocrite. You're being all cool when you were the first one to be racist towards mexicans, you even admitted your racism. Dont be fake dude.

Just what portion of my argument are you referring to? I can't even debate whether I was being hypocritical when you're being so vague....