Make Fireworks Legal!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

We need to legalize fireworks all across the nation. I'm sick of having to drive over to South Dakota or Wisconsin every time I need some ammunition! Sure, people are going to get hurt every now and then, but we can't control every little nuissance that causes injuries to the ignorant, it only takes away from our freedoms! If you're dumb enough to misuse a firework and hurt yourself then you deserve it! You need to learn your lesson!! Hell, guns are legal and they are intended to hurt and kill. Fireworks only do this if they are strongly misused.

So stop controlling my fun and make fireworks legal already!! The police don't even do anything if they catch you shooting them off anyways, they just sit back and enjoy the show! I spent my fourth this year at one of the bigger lakes in the state, and there wasn't a single lot all across the shoreline that wasn't shooting off the illegal stuff. Yet, nobody got busted AND nobody got hurt! Proof that it's nowhere near bad enough to illegalize, and proof that legal or not, it's going to happen and no one is going to do anything to stop it.

[Paisleyspeaker]

In some places the bans are weather related. Normally here they don't care too much, but cracked down this year because we are in a drought, and there was a serious wildfire risk. Florida allows some and bans some. I don't think they are supposed to fly.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Weather is not an issue around here. The state's geographic structure is actually perfect for safe use of fireworks. There are a lot of places where you'd be hard pressed to find enough open space to safely use good fireworks, but not in Minnesota. We have so many lakes here that it isn't even close to a question. Just travel a mile in any direction and you're bound to come across 3 of them!


FYI - the ban here is on anything that flies or explodes. Which basically rules out anything that can be considered a REAL firework.

[Zzyzx]

If someone wants to use fireworks, then they'll use fireworks. The law certainly doesn't stop anyone 'round these parts. People will go home safely with all their limbs intact so long as they have a shred of common sense about them.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there. It wouldn't be hard for some dipshit high school kid to drive around, light bottle rockets from the window of a moving car, and set a field of dry grass ablaze.

[Paisleyspeaker]

You can always count on three things: Death, Taxes, and Some Idiot messing things up for the rest of us.

[beelzebub]

... If you're dumb enough to misuse a firework and hurt yourself then you deserve it! ...
Stop controlling my fun and make fireworks legal already!!.

Where do you draw the line?

What if a person’s favorite thing is to build bombs? Most especially, he/she likes the effects from a special bomb that had a uranium imploding device?

Should one man's pleasure be another man's burden?

What If I don’t like the sound that fireworks make? Should I have to just put up with it because you don't want to have your "fun" controlled?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Where do you draw the line?

What if a person’s favorite thing is to build bombs? Most especially, he/she likes the effects from a special bomb that had a uranium imploding device?

Well the line would be well before that....


Should one man's pleasure be another man's burden?

What If I don’t like the sound that fireworks make? Should I have to just put up with it because you don't want to have your "fun" controlled?


So maybe we should just make fireworks legal at certain times of the year. Say around the fourth of July and the first of January. The times that people have a good reason to shoot em off anyway. And I don't think that you should be allowed to shoot these things off just anywhere either. We need to require people to do it in a large field or over a large body of water...which isn't near any residential property. Because of that you have no reason to complain about the sounds of it because the only way that you'd be putting up with it is if you're trying to let it affect you.

[beelzebub]

We need to require people to do it in a large field or over a large body of water...which isn't near any residential property.

Large bodies of water can reflect sound and channel it for miles. Furthermore; many homes are built near rivers and lakes.


Because of that you have no reason to complain about the sounds of it because the only way that you'd be putting up with it is if you're trying to let it affect you.

Tell that to my dogs who howl and bark as they run in terror during the 4th and 1st celebrations.

Tell that to people with sensitive hearing, migraines, nervous and heart conditions.


OK - enough with the devils advocate stuff - I like fireworks and I would like to see them legal -BUT- I don’t like the people who abuse them. Rednecks and other lower life forms should not have access to them. Assholes in Tennessee used cherry bombs to go fishing killing hundreds of other organisms.

And let’s not forget the poor hamsters and gerbils that have suffered at the hands of frenzied firecracker nuts!

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

OK - enough with the devils advocate stuff - I like fireworks and I would like to see them legal


Yea, I didn't think that sounded like you....other than the whole disagreeing with me part of it.




And let’s not forget the poor hamsters and gerbils that have suffered at the hands of frenzied firecracker nuts!


Come on now, better hamsters and gerbils than each other! Just as long as it's only a seasonal thing (4th and new years) it really isn't that bad regardless of how many rodents are targeted.

[beelzebub]

Yea, I didn't think that sounded like you....other than the whole disagreeing with me part of it.


BBQ - You know how I sound! :o See how our relationship is growing.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Large bodies of water can reflect sound and channel it for miles. Furthermore; many homes are built near rivers and lakes.


I forgot to comment on this part. I lived on a lake for ten years and I never once heard anything sounds reflected into the house. Never once had any reason to complain that the neighbors were being too loud about anything. And after ten years if it hasn't happened I wouldn't give credit to being so lucky as to having perfect neighbors for the entire time, I'd have to say that you're just exagerating, extremely.

[beelzebub]

I forgot to comment on this part. ...bla bla bla... I'd have to say that you're just exagerating, extremely.

Refraction of sound waves is most noticeable when they travel obliquely from cold air into warm air and explains why sound travels great distances over frozen lakes. The sound travels upwards is refracted progressively by layers of warmer air above the lake and eventually is refracted back down towards the lake to be reflected upwards once more and the cycle repeats itself.

http://www.newi.ac.uk/buckleyc/sound.htm

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

State the facts as much as you like. I'm stating experience. It's never been nearly enough to bother anyone in my household, so you must be exagerating the end effect of it.

[beelzebub]

State the facts as much as you like. I'm stating experience. It's never been nearly enough to bother anyone in my household, so you must be exagerating the end effect of it.

Oh I see, its "faith" and the infinite experience & wisdom of BBQ.

Pardon me; I am just a scientifically oriented person. You know, only believing in theories well substantiated with facts. Things that occur in reality.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I am telling you reality. You can hide behind your science all you want, but science cannot tell you how people are going to react. Your scientific fact cannot disprove reality. Our understanding of science HAS to change for reality. The reality is that the extra sound effects created from the influence of the lake are not enough to make a difference large enough for anybody to care.

[beelzebub]

I am telling you reality. You can hide behind your science all you want, but science cannot tell you how people are going to react. Your scientific fact cannot disprove reality. Our understanding of science HAS to change for reality. The reality is that the extra sound effects created from the influence of the lake are not enough to make a difference large enough for anybody to care.

I agree. But at the same time out understanding of science must shape our perception of reality.

Did your lake freeze over? If so, did you live in a very windy area of the lake?
Did you ever go outside in the winter and just listen?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Did your lake freeze over? If so, did you live in a very windy area of the lake?
Did you ever go outside in the winter and just listen?


Of course it freezes over, I'm in Minnesota not New Mexico. As far as wind goes, we always had large waves lapping at the dock on windy days.

And your last question really doesn't matter. If you went outside, just to listen, then you're LOOKING for trouble. If you were to only stay at your perch, trying to find every little nuissance that you can then you'd probably find plenty to complain about. But if you're just enjoying the lake properly NOT trying to complain then you'd never notice a thing. It's much more peaceful than living in any city.

[TheAvenger]

:eek:
No, fireworks should be made ILLEGAL to everyone except for professionals.
I mean, have you taken the time to actually notice some of the lunatics who shoot off fireworks?

They look like former Ringling Bros. rejects. They have no idea what they are doing. Last 4th of July I was watching some of these stunods, and after one of them lit the fireworks, the others actually had to remind them to "run".
:rolleyes:

Fireworks are a noisy nuisance, usually caused by some homely hillbilly who has nothing better to do than to make a bunch of useless noise that pisses off the rest of the neighborhood, and makes us hate them more than we did before.
:mad:

Have sex instead of shooting off fireworks. It's more fun, and the only thing that gets blown is you.

:D

[Ausinus]

My opinion of fireworks is the same for guns. If they are well regulated and used in a responsible manner, then its ok.

[MrBirdy]

First time i fucken agree with BRAINS BEHIND!!

[General Septem]

My opinion of fireworks is the same for guns. If they are well regulated and used in a responsible manner, then its ok.

I believe nothing should be regulated.

Besides, if someone's going to be stupid enough to blow their own head off, is it really that big of a deal? We're better off without them.

[gunrunner]

I agree. Whatever happend to the darwin method. let the stupid one go. Then we save money not having to pay for them to live and more oxygen for the rest of us

[Ausinus]

I believe nothing should be regulated.

So you believe harmful drugs like ectsasy shouldnt be prohibited?


Besides, if someone's going to be stupid enough to blow their own head off, is it really that big of a deal? We're better off without them.

They may not be stupid, just ignorant of how to use them properly.

[General Septem]

So you believe harmful drugs like ectsasy shouldnt be prohibited?

That's different, ecstasy has no use other than a harmful drug. I hate the "War on Drugs", but I think at least the dealers should be stopped. The users are the victims, so they shouldn't go to jail for using it.


They may not be stupid, just ignorant of how to use them properly.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist. I'm not saying they deserve it, but if they see such a dangerous device and really don't know how to use it but they do anyway, they have it coming. I'm not saying they're stupid for not knowing how to use fireworks, I'm saying they're stupid for trying to use them despite their ignorance.

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[QUOTE=General Septem]That's different, ecstasy has no use other than a harmful drug. I hate the "War on Drugs", but I think at least the dealers should be stopped. The users are the victims, so they shouldn't go to jail for using it.[\QUOTE]

I think they do like that in the Netherlands. You go to jail for dealing, but just taking drugs is OK.:D