just a thought on immigration....

[southsidesenior07]

i got to a school where to be strictly caucasian, as i am, puts me as a severe minority, and the whole immigration debate means a lot more to me and my peers than to others in this country, because it affects me personally... i'm not stating my opinions on immigration one way or the other... just stating a thought that came to my mind.
just a thought.. curious for your replies..
am i the only person who feels that the bunch of white lawmakers trying to push for immigration reform are hypocrites, since i'd guess about 90% of them come from families who immigrated here... granted it was a long time ago, and times and population numbers and living statuses are all different... but i'm sure that these lawyers are happy to be here in the dreamland reaping the benefits and living the highlife..... why can't they pass their luck on to others?????? they sure were happy to skip through the golden gates into the US... and i feel they should think twice about slamming those gates in the faces of others, who aren't so unlike them.

[Paisleyspeaker]

They are not calling to an end to immegration, thousands of people legally immegrate here every year, what they are trying to control is illegal immegration. This country will not remain the dreamland you call it if the balance is thrown off. There are limited resources both natural and economic, and if too many people are drawing off these resources, then everyone has less, eventually no one will be living comfortably.

[Zzyzx]

They are not calling to an end to immegration, thousands of people legally immegrate here every year, what they are trying to control is illegal immegration. This country will not remain the dreamland you call it if the balance is thrown off. There are limited resources both natural and economic, and if too many people are drawing off these resources, then everyone has less, eventually no one will be living comfortably.

We've always tried to control immigration, even "legal" immigration. (The definition keeps changing [Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Immigration_Acts)])

I'm not entirely sure that this recent fervor over illegal immigration isn't just a distraction from the much larger problems that our country is currently facing, but it's certainly one hell of a pickle all the same.

There is no way to enforce the laws 100% without resorting to some sort of strict martial law. That wouldn't be good. People will always hop fences, forge identification, and smuggle children, just as people will always lie, cheat, and steal. You can't do much about it, but we can try.

[southsidesenior07]

They are not calling to an end to immegration, thousands of people legally immegrate here every year, what they are trying to control is illegal immegration. This country will not remain the dreamland you call it if the balance is thrown off. There are limited resources both natural and economic, and if too many people are drawing off these resources, then everyone has less, eventually no one will be living comfortably.

As I've read the majority of the house resolution that has caused all the chaos surrounding this topic, I am quite aware that the governemnt is not trying to end immigration. However, the means that they have set forth would limit some forms of helpful (legal or illegal) immigration, thus slamming doors in somefaces, which was my original point. It was more of an observation of something many of us fail to remember when passing judgement on those who come for a better life. As for your question of availibility of resources: As I stated, I wasn't giving my opinion of immigration, just of how it's being handled currently. If I failed to reflect that in my previous post, that is my error, and I apologize. Whatever the case, I am aware of our country's lack of room, resources, money, etc... that has become a concern as immigration rises. This balance as you call it is at danger, but this is not solely because of immigration. (This is another point and debate which has enitrely too many possibilities to effectively argue.) Whatever the case, I feel that the HR currently proposed will not effectively solve the true problems BEHIND the immigration, which lends it ineffective in the long run. I am not sure of an easy, clean cure to the problems which our country faces, and I am by no means undermining the efforts made by our government to aid this issue. However, I feel that there are better means to solve the problem without hurting those who, whether legally or not, immigrate and end up, even if in some small way, attempting to aid our country by working, or attempting to aid themselves, something we can't blame them for, and something many of our ancestors did at one point in history. Regardless of current economic status and space in the US, I feel we often forget the real implications of this debate, and I simply wanted to put a reminder out there.

Paisleyspeaker: BTW: In my actual post, as I re-read, I never said they were trying to end immigration either. I said "immigration reform" and my reference to the gates and subsequent text was simply a figurative illustration to get people to just ponder the subject further, because as I stated before, the whole issue means very much to me and to my community.

[crappenfest]

The good news and the bad news.....
The good news: There is one truely simply solution to the majority of all problems currently being faced by The United States of America.
The bad news: To carry out the solution would mean an end to alot of lives in this country.

My solution is as follows: Citizen or illegal, if you don't comprehend "low-brow" English enough to hold a conversation, you get returned to what every country you immigrated from. If you did not immigrate and fail to meet this requirement you fall into the exterminate category. Other groups that are exclusive to the exterminate category would include: People too stupid to achieve an I.Q. score of at least 110; people too lazy/unmotivated to do something to help further the potential of this country for the prevailing generations; people too self-centered and self-absorbed to have compasion or empathy for those who have come before them to contribute to this nation.

Other ideas for improvents as a follow up plan:
Perspective parents must have the abilities to provide for a child before concieving. This is pertaining to all of the following resources:
Financial, Emotional, Educational, Morals and the ability to instill proper etiquette.

After all of this has taken place it would then be time to focus on the laughable "Government" of this "Great" Nation and restructure it without pompus, self-serving, self-indulgent, money hungry Fucktards we have elected to ruin, i mean run this country.

Some of you may not agree with this plan of action. As I see it, it is narrow-minded, self-serving and totalitarian in purpose, but oh what a great place we select few would be left with.

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Sorry if I have offended any pro-lifers out there. In my defense please refer to the addage: "You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs." This is not kindergarden, it is not happy fun time, I don't recall "Romper Room" theme songs playing every morning when I wake up. This is life, bad stuff happens, people die, Fuck the useless. Do you keep old watermellon rinds in your kitchen because it was a good watermellon? Then why keep the other trash around, whether it be human, livestock or inanimate? Or, does this just make too make sense to a society who have become pansies? The world is harsh, deal with it or get out of it.... That simple people.

Crappenfest

[Paisleyspeaker]

Good old eugenics. But my dear, how do you know you would be left to enjoy it?

[crappenfest]

First, I have not specified anything about selective partnering to improve the overall quality of the species. Finally, I'm not sure I would want to live in that world. It would seriously limit my ability to succeed with what I find to be an interesting past time for myself.

[Paisleyspeaker]

But by removing anyone who doesn't measure up, the only ones left are the ones who do. Matching them up at that point means little. When the Nazis used it they hadn't gotten that far yet, so they paired the most pure together.

[crappenfest]

Correct. However that was just a right to live test. There will still be poor genectics. Still the ability to have free will in choosing your partner. The final say is not predetermed by any one deciding body.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

People too stupid to achieve an I.Q. score of at least 110


Even if I agreed with your major position, this restriction is unacceptable. There are many jobs out there that are very important to an economy to have filled which don't require a person's IQ be any more than it takes to wipe your ass after you shit. This is a much lower level than you have posted here, and I am certain that the people above this minnimum IQ of yours would be outraged if they had to take on such remedial jobs. The idiots in the country a necessity to perform the low-paying idiot jobs that they are qualified for.

[General Septem]

Be careful what you ask for. The last thing you want is for 3/4 of the population to be exterminated and for everyone else to be grouped in densely populated cities with tanks roaming the streets, but you can bet this will happen if your idea of exterminating part of the population is taken into effect.

[beelzebub]

First, I have not specified anything about selective partnering to improve the overall quality of the species.

Yes you did, you just went about it another way. You have selected your parents by culling the population to leave only parents with the characteristics that you deem fit. This is "genocide" based on traits (not ethnic groups) instead of husbandry.

[grog]

i cant believe that most of you say the same farking thing....if you are here against the law, we will send you back.....i just buried one of my best friends today.......and this shit is just not worth it........his father came here thru the system and not a truck from texas.........so to hell with all of you that dont want to do it rite bastards......and they are not all mexicans.........next time kalib sells you an ice cream at 7-11........just think about it

[thememan]

I think this sums up the immigration debate quite well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM

I finally found a reason to use this video. :D

[General Septem]

I think this sums up the immigration debate quite well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM

I finally found a reason to use this video. :D

lolwtfbbq :D

[MrBirdy]

i dont care about back then, i care about the NOW!!
idunno, im kinda drunk so ignore me.. it was a fun as hell new year

[Booger]

... The idiots in the country a necessity to perform the low-paying idiot jobs that they are qualified for.
;) Here's a hint, dumbass -- there are MANY immigrants to the US (both legal and illegal) who have degrees and professional experience. But, due to the economic situations in their respective countries of origin, they can't get what they consider to be adequate employment compensation. Often, they can make more money here doing menial jobs than they could "back home" doing what they were qualified to do there.