Gun control.

[General Septem]

You read the topic. Here we talk about gun control. Who's for it, who's against it. Myself I'm very much against it and i feel that if they have gun control it's just one step closer to the whole police state thing. As far as I'm concerned, I control my gun by using two hands.

[hkdbadreligion]

As long as the police and military have weapons... so will I.

[General Septem]

I was brought up in a household where we don't have any weapons around. But as soon as I can I'm probably going to. I like those .38 stubbys, and I know I'm going to have to get a Smith & Wesson model 500. XD

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Certain people should not be allowed guns, these however are the people who deserve to be locked up for the rest of their lives. But if they do get out by some chance, they should not be allowed firearms and should be monitored closely to ensure that. Otherwise, there is no reason we can't all make ourselves feel a little safer with some controlled explosives next to our crotch.:cool:

[General Septem]

Of course then there's the fact that if someone wants to kill you and can't find a gun, they'll go for some other more painful methods. I don't know about you but I'd rather be shot between the eyes than stabbed or drowned.

[hkdbadreligion]

I find it stupid that we lock people up for the rest of their lives. Why waste the tax money keeping them alive when we can kill them like animal "shelters" kill the strays.

[Chigun]

Guns are fine in my opinion. If they were taken away all that would affect would be the general population. (Assuming they don't get one anyways, which wouldn't be too hard to do.) It would make the job of the criminal/mafia member much easier. Sure I wish guns or any violent weapon didn't exist, but that's a pipe dream. They are here to stay may as well defend yourself with one.

[hkdbadreligion]

Guns are fine in my opinion. If they were taken away all that would affect would be the general population. (Assuming they don't get one anyways, which wouldn't be too hard to do.) It would make the job of the criminal/mafia member much easier. Sure I wish guns or any violent weapon didn't exist, but that's a pipe dream. They are here to stay may as well defend yourself with one.
"Conform, I say! Conform!"

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I find it stupid that we lock people up for the rest of their lives. Why waste the tax money keeping them alive when we can kill them like animal "shelters" kill the strays.


The problem is that we are then completely taking away a person's life. But what is life in prison? Maybe this is a choice that should be given to the criminal: life in prison, without parole, or a quick painless execution. At least that way it removes doubt.

[General Septem]

I find it stupid that we lock people up for the rest of their lives. Why waste the tax money keeping them alive when we can kill them like animal "shelters" kill the strays.
I agree about the wasting tax money. That's why I think prison inmates should have to work for their captivity. How much does the average inmate cost the government? So that's how much work he has to do.

Of course they could always fence off New York and just throw everyone in there.

"Breaking out is impossible. Breaking in is insane."

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Of course they could always fence off New York and just throw everyone in there.


Good idea! Better yet, we should just do what the Brits did years ago and ship 'em all off to Australia! Just dump 'em on the shore somewhere and let them fend for themselves. That's how Australia's population was created to begin with so they shouldn't care one bit! It's like we're introducing them to new family!!

[hkdbadreligion]

lets send them all to austrailia to work like they did so many decades ago. ..........ok, nevermind. someone beat me to it. didnt read that one before.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

LOL.

In a different reality I just may have called you friend.:p

[freakazoid]

You read the topic. Here we talk about gun control. Who's for it, who's against it. Myself I'm very much against it and i feel that if they have gun control it's just one step closer to the whole police state thing. As far as I'm concerned, I control my gun by using two hands.

Right on, general!

[freakazoid]

As long as the police and military have weapons... so will I.

Right on, man!

[freakazoid]

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a Convenience Store, NOT a Government Agency!

[Zzyzx]

I was brought up in a household where we don't have any weapons around. But as soon as I can I'm probably going to. I like those .38 stubbys, and I know I'm going to have to get a Smith & Wesson model 500. XD

Look, a gun is just a tool like any other. I don't agree that we should have terribly-restrictive laws against firearms if we can't apply the same laws to shovels.

BUT.... Romantic, childlish drooling over shiny pistols and shotguns isn't going to help our cause any.

"But as soon as I can I'm probably going to." -- WHY? Don't give me that bullshit about needing to protect yourself from the boogie man. Actually, when you do inevitably buy a gun, you'll probably wish to be attacked. "I was brought up in a household where we don't have any weapons around." Home-defense has NEVER been an issue for you, then, has it?

Besides, in the heat of whatever dreamt household battle you find yourself in, there's a million ways in which that handgun can actually end up harming you rather than your intruder. You'd probably be safer with a baseball bat.

Reasons for owning a gun -- Hunting, target practice (can-plinking), and yes, self-defense for those unlucky few, law-enforcement, and because you can.

[General Septem]

"But as soon as I can I'm probably going to." -- WHY? Don't give me that bullshit about needing to protect yourself from the boogie man. Actually, when you do inevitably buy a gun, you'll probably wish to be attacked. "I was brought up in a household where we don't have any weapons around." Home-defense has NEVER been an issue for you, then, has it?

Why? Because I can. Just because self-defense has never been an issue for me as of yet doesn't mean I haven't just been lucky. I'd certainly feel safer if I had a gun, if not around the house then when I'm out walking down Lake Avenue. But I don't need a reason. The government is trying to restrict guns, so I'm going to horde as many as I can. Someone needs to restore the country we once knew and loved once the government turns it into a police state.

Self-defense has never been an issue for me, but I haven't much to lose. On the other hand, when I'm married and have a family, I will have a lot to lose.

So drooling over the biggest and most powerful handgun cartriges available? Let's put it this way. I don't wish to kill anyone unless I have to. But I might shoot someone in the shoulder or other non-vital areas to try and stop them. If you're just trying to kill, a .22 between the eyes will do as good a job as a .454 Casull at point-blank range. But if you shoot someone in the shoulder with a .500 S&W, it's going to hurt a hell of a lot more than a 9mm Parabellum.

[Zzyzx]

The government is trying to restrict guns, so I'm going to horde as many as I can. Someone needs to restore the country we once knew and loved once the government turns it into a police state.

Why, hello Mr. McVeigh. I thought the federales killed you.

[General Septem]

Why, hello Mr. McVeigh. I thought the federales killed you.
And I thought McVeigh was working for the fuckers.

[Zzyzx]

Well, in the spirit of ultra-conservative militiamen, I wish you good luck in future standoffs. May your camoflauge pants hide you from FBI snipers.

[General Septem]

Actually, think of me more like Luke Skywalker or a male version of Princess Leia. Or maybe Han Solo. And think of the old America as the old republic and the NWO as the Empire. Then it might make sense.

[Zzyzx]

Ah - so, as male Leia, you'll fall in love with your brother?

I'm lost. How is gay incest going to save old America?

[General Septem]

Ah - so, as male Leia, you'll fall in love with your brother?

I'm lost. How is gay incest going to save old America?
I was referring more to the whole Rebel Alliance thing. Actually Wedge Antilles kicks some ass too.

[Zzyzx]

At least I found myself humorous.

[General Septem]

At least I found myself humorous.
I guess when it comes down to it, that's all that really matters. :D

[hkdbadreligion]

Yeah, leia is hot... but not if she has a beard and penis and is all over her brother. Then she's white trash from Arkansas.

[General Septem]

Yeah, leia is hot... but not if she has a beard and penis and is all over her brother. Then she's white trash from Arkansas.
If she's got a beard and penis and is still a girl, you might want to try Alabama.

[freakazoid]

Bottom line, I don't trust any government that seeks to disarm it's citizens. Period.

[Zzyzx]

Bottom line, I don't trust any government that seeks to disarm it's citizens. Period.

Our government doesn't trust us with fireworks, sharp things on airplanes, seatbelts (and our own cars for that matter), water safety, medications, and money.

They don't trust us with firearms, either, but there's not a damned thing they can do about it.

[General Septem]

They don't trust us with firearms, either, but there's not a damned thing they can do about it.
San Fransisco managed to make it happen. So it's possible there is a damned thing they can do about it. :/

[Paisleyspeaker]

I grew up in a family of gun nuts, lifetime members of the NRA. Guns are just as safe as the people who own them. I happen to like them, but my kids are a little to young to have one in the house for self defense. It would be safe locked up, but if it is locked up you can't get to it fast enough. I love to target shoot, we keep a couple of co2 pistols in the house for that, and they look real enough to frighten an unarmed intruder. I do worry that once we have a real one, it will be too tempting to use it, and a situation would escalate.
All the same I don't think the government has any right to control guns at all. The second amendment says simply
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
It doesn't say that only certain people should own certain guns.

[General Septem]

and they look real enough to frighten an unarmed intruder.
Be careful. All too often people have guns for self defense but when the time comes they just wave the gun at them, threatening to shoot, but they don't really do it. Now instead of just stealing things, the robber now feels he has to kill you just to protect himself. It's a BB gun, right? So you should still be able to shoot at them, even if it's just BBs it might scare them off. Aim for sensitive areas.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It's a BB gun, right? So you should still be able to shoot at them, even if it's just BBs it might scare them off. Aim for sensitive areas.

If we're just aiming for sensitive ares you don't even need a gun, just start talking about his momma. Those types of fuckers are always sensitive about that!

[Paisleyspeaker]

They are BB pistols, with a fresh cartridge of gas the pistols have 400 psi for the first few shots, and these have a 15 shot clip on the top, and we have two of them. That gives me 30 shots without waiting, and I have been shooting for 17 years now, like I said a family of gun nuts, they started me young. I am not quite Annie Oakly, but I am a damn good shot, and could blind a person easily with those bb guns.

[General Septem]

Good. I was just worried because you said "they look real enough to scare them off". So I was just making sure you don't end up making things worse off for yourself. ;D

[Nobody]

Look, a gun is just a tool like any other. I don't agree that we should have terribly-restrictive laws against firearms if we can't apply the same laws to shovels.

BUT.... Romantic, childlish drooling over shiny pistols and shotguns isn't going to help our cause any.

"But as soon as I can I'm probably going to." -- WHY? Don't give me that bullshit about needing to protect yourself from the boogie man. Actually, when you do inevitably buy a gun, you'll probably wish to be attacked. "I was brought up in a household where we don't have any weapons around." Home-defense has NEVER been an issue for you, then, has it?

Besides, in the heat of whatever dreamt household battle you find yourself in, there's a million ways in which that handgun can actually end up harming you rather than your intruder. You'd probably be safer with a baseball bat.

Reasons for owning a gun -- Hunting, target practice (can-plinking), and yes, self-defense for those unlucky few, law-enforcement, and because you can.
More guns. Less crime!

[melanie]

i'm scared of guns and wouldn't want to own one. on the wrong hands, guns just makes a person cocky and trigger happy...

[Josh]

How do you control the use of guns? With laws? Laws control only people who obey them. By prohibiting firearm use you keep law obeying people from protecting themselves from people with guns (people who are willing to break the law).

[General Septem]

How do you control the use of guns? With laws? Laws control only people who obey them. By prohibiting firearm use you keep law obeying people from protecting themselves from people with guns (people who are willing to break the law).
That's another good point - the people who are already criminals will still have guns, only now the criminals will be the only people with guns.

I don't think the government, if they were to ban guns, would do it to reduce crime. I think it would be a control issue. In fact if crime goes up, they can get away with a tighter grip on the nation.