Will Isreal ever stop.

[Prometheus]

Was watching CNN this morning and saw the the isrealies have blown big holes in Lebanon's international airports's runways. Two Isreali solidiers were kidnapped by terrorists and they are bulliing the Lebanese people over it. Their economy will be affected by the loss of those runways. Do they really wonder why so many of the neighbors want them destroyed?

[Zzyzx]

Do they really wonder why so many of the neighbors want them destroyed?

I'm pretty sure that their enemies' blind hatred of Israel and anything Israeli is a whole lot more irrational than Israel's frustration with them.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Although many people hate them blindly or for wrong reasons, I think that Prometheus might have a point. I have seen newstories about Isreali soldiers doing horrible things like shooting an entire clip into a thirteen year old girl, or blowing up an entire apartment building to kill one man. While I deny no-one the right to live without terrorism, if you continue to encite people, only you can help yourself. I think if they really want the violence to end, they must let the Palastinians rule themselves, and meet with them as equals.
I also want to throw out a fact for you, in the early 1900's following a pogrom in Russia in the 1880"s Jewinh people started emmegrating to Palastine, eventually the Palestinians began rejecting them, and the Isrealies resorted to terrorism , throwing bottles, rocks, and blowing things up. They have not really been called on all their poor behavior because of the massive suffering and injustice of the holocaust. To question them too strongly in to be called anti-semite. But I am only upset at the actions as Isreal and not all Jews.

[don't be an idiot]

Those were different situations, a hundred years ago. This is now. Lebanon is harboring killers, who wish only to kill as many Israelis as they can. What should Israel do when they launch attacks, then? Retaliate. I dont see how that doesnt make sense.

[Prometheus]

Im just guessing here, but you "pro isreal sheep' do not have any family in lebonon nor a bussines based there or any other interest vested there other than " well we showed them didnt we "? Have you no compassion, this contry's leader is a war crimnal so by that logic they would be justified in bombing california because it and washington share a political border. I just love wathcing U.S. military hardware used to blow up poor foreign people. It would be a shame to build These excellent planes and not shoot up some designated enemy with them, Right ? (Sarcasm of course)

[Paisleyspeaker]

There doing it again, they have blockaded Lebanese ports and are bombing all over the city of Beruit. Hezzbola has been doing this for years, why are the Isreali's pushing them region to the brinks of war now? They have pushed gas up over $78 a barrel. And it does matter what was done, even if it was a hundred of years ago. Does that mean Pearl harbor or the Holocaust won't matter anymore in another forty years? Those that don't know history are bound to repeat it. After WWII the UN came up with a plan to give both the Palastinians and the Jews a homeland in that area, keeping Jerusalem out as an international city. It could have worked beautifully. But the would be Isreali's wouldn't have it. It didn't give them the whole thing, they didn't have everthing God had promised them. So they bucked , and caused problems that are still playing themselves out, and will continue to for years. The people who are living there, and those displaced by this conflict think about the history of it everyday. The people who would be in Palastine, are in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. They were never comphensated for their propety when they were givin the heave ho. It is no suprise that they are still angry. They have not been able to pick themselves up because they are not a recognized nation , which prevents them from getting a lot of help that would otherwise be available, and people don't want to invest there, they fear govenment investigation , because all those dirty Arabs are terrorists to our cowboy government. And the land grabing and displacement was followed by even more inthe six-day war. I know your going to tell me they were only defending themselves, but they took almost as much territory as the held during that war. How is stealing your neighbors land at gunpoint defensive?

And to retaliation, does it make it sense to attack an entire country for the acts of a few? So the Iraqies could bomb us , because there are American war criminals, we are insisting on trying here, Men who raped and murderd and we are not turning over to the Iraqie courts. You aplogists can say what you want. It doesn't change the fact that the Isreali have fostered hatred and war throught their actions and have done damn little to secure peace. They will have to admit they have been wrong, and treat their neighbors with dignity or the only way the conflict will end is with a mushroom cloud and the total destruction of everything they hold dear.

And they examples I cited in my earlier post of the shooting of children and bombing of family dwellings are very, very recent. Happening in the last five years.

[Paisleyspeaker]

I told you, now there have been rocket attacks on Isreal. They are useing the wrong tactics if they really want peace. The Hezbolla is a freestanding militia in Southern Lebanon, that their government can't control. They have said as much, the Hezbolla recieves support from Iran and Syria. So instead of helping strenthin the Lebanese goventment they are going to punish it and the people. They are making the government look even more powerless. The Lebanese govenment is anti Syria , so Isreal could work with them without helping other enemies.
Our support of Isreal is one of the reasons we are targeted by Arab terrorists. Those are F-16 jets dropping those bombs, and when they tear down houses with people still in them, they use Caterpillar armored bulldozers, and Abrhams tanks. Why do you think the Palastinians dances on 9/11?
Understand I am not anti-semetic, I don't think being Jewish has anything to do with the stupid, selfish, childish behavior of the Isreali government. But from where I sit it doesn't really look like thay want the fighting to end. You can tell when they do, it shows in their actions. Yitzak Rabin was a peace maker, amd he was assasinated by an Isreali. Sharon started to get it, and he promised a pull out of many of the settlements, which the settlers fought vehemently. Isreal looks to be more interested in slapping back, in hurting and punishing that in making peace. I also know they cannot give the Arabs everything they want, but they must at least talk to them. The United States is one of the only nations that supports Isreal, because of their poor behavior. They can not claim to be victims. If I keep slapping you , are you completly to blame for slapping me back. And the Palestinians don't have a standing army, they are refugees all over the middle east. So they use the only form of warfare available to it.

And by the way oil has hit $80 a barrel already just today. 60 Lebanse civilians have been killed as Isreal bombs residental areas. There is a UN security council emergency meeting today, and the US are the only ones defending Isreals over aggressive behavior.

[joshua]

here in lebanon not only the economy suffers from a measure loss after hitting all the airports and all seaports,and israel targetting all the industrie factories{glass,paper..} which made some investers to leave libano,our main source of income ''tourists'' now they are all gone after we were in surplus of them ...,,,300 dead,500000 refugees in beirut alone living in public schools and even parks ,no medication ,no food ,and there are some 5 villages in the far south are crying for help but we cant do anything because israel bombed all of our roads ,at this moment F 16s are flying over my house {so loud}maybe they blow me up,,and hezbollah our grand militia in libano seem dont care and yesterdaywhere they puted an interview with nasrallah on aljazeera he said {if the all the universe come to attack libano we wont give the prisioners until after an indirect negociation which he wanted the dumbass arab prisioners which some had spent 28 years in prison,,,,,,

its gonna be a long long conflict if condy rice wont do anything..lets hope she will make a cease fire.

[don't be an idiot]

I'm sorry that you are stuck in the middle of this, but sometimes, Israel must defend itself. They have been retreating into a little slit of a country for years - just asking "can we please just have this little slice and keep peace". But Muslim EXTREMISM (DONT CALL ME RACIST - -EXTREMISM!!!!) won't allow for this. Israel will do the best that it can to limit civilian casualties, but since Lebanon won't crack down on Hizbollah, Israel will have to. If you want someone to blame, I would blame the Lebanese government itself for forcing Israel to do this.
By doing this, and having the support of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt, the Middle East is also taking a stance against those who harbor Hizbollah - Iran and Syria - so, if you are concerned about the scale of Israel's attack on Lebanon, you certainly wont be happy when Syria and Iran are either taken out or merely punished for their actions.
In your circumstance, I understand how this may seem, but this is part of a much larger movement sweeping the mid-east - the developement of moderate arab states who do not want to see a strong Iran or Syria. If this can lead to a revolutionary change in the mid-east to benefit the mid-east, the world will be much better, and we'll have 2 less dictators to worry about.

[Paisleyspeaker]

Israel will do the best that it can to limit civilian casualties, but since Lebanon won't crack down on Hizbollah, Israel will have to. If you want someone to blame, I would blame the Lebanese government itself for forcing Israel to do this.
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How can you say a country bombing residential areas is trying to limit civilian casualities? Even smart bombs on average only hit their exact target 30% of the time, and they are using dumb bombs. When dealing with Arabs I have never seen them act with such respect. Their solidiers emptied an entire clip into a thirteen year old girl to confirm the kill, that must have been one scary kid. They are bombing the only ones they can. I know that Hezbollah is supported by Iran through Syria, and I know that Isreal doesn't want to engage those countries in open warfare, they would be decimated unless we fought that war for them. So they bomb Lebanon, their elected government is new and just can't force Hezbolla to do anything. Yes they have a right to peace, but if peace is to be achieved all parties must admit and apologies forthe things they had done wrong, and agree on what to do next.

[dancer]

They kill for the sake of religion. The parents are proud to raise kids who are so cowardly killing innocent people.

If they act daily based on the long list of the hatred recorded on the history book, many countries and races in this world would have been still fighting each other.

Japan slaughtered millions of Chinese, British enslaved and exploited the whole country of India for decades, and yet you do not see these two countries' leaders or parents promoting or proud to raise terrorists. Instead their people are working hard to equip themselves with education and knowledge so to improve their lives.

When do they those Islamic terrorists want to end the hatred and lift themselves up so that their people can get educated and learn what civilization is all about? Those religious territories leaders are really the ones trying to imprison their own people. It is so sad.

[don't be an idiot]

"I know that Hezbollah is supported by Iran through Syria, and I know that Isreal doesn't want to engage those countries in open warfare, they would be decimated unless we fought that war for them."

I chose not to argue for Israel, its too rediculous to waste my time with. But i would like to argue against this. Israel has fought four wars against essentially the entire Mid-East and has kkicked there ass everytime. Israel is one of the most powerful countries in the world, after the U.S., China, and North Korea.