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Paisleyspeaker
07-18-2006, 10:47 AM
We have skimmed the topic, but not yet really delved into it.

To get the ball rolling:

I am definatly pro-woman but can't seem to call myself feminist. Oddly enough I feel too feminie to call myself a feminist. When I think of feminist the first thing that comes to my mind is the bra-burning, hairy leg, man haters. I understand that they were angry, and felt their lives sucked. But I think they went ary.
The backlash is still being felt. All a woman has to do to make a man feel defensive is ay she's feminist.
I also think they lessened the things that used to be considered sacrosanct. Like motherhood, and being a good wife. Being a good mother and wife was once a goal unto itself. An honorable thing to be, but now it's not enough. You must have a career on top of that or your lazy, or simple. We are raising girls to thik they can do all of these things, and setting them up for disappointment. You can't serve two masters. Most of the women I know who juggle these things feel guilty they are not spending enough time with their children, and they are not moving forward at work as fast as others without their extra responsibilities.
They're is a long list of things that they complained about, that they said happened because they were women, and weren't fair. I really think they exagerated and failed to see the big picture. I'll take the biggies first:
Rape. Roughly one third of all women will be sexually assaulted, many of them as children. Sucks huh? Well around a quarter of all men will be sexually assaulted, and not all as children. At the Airforce base by me they are courts martialing a man who drugged and raped other men. Sexual assault is a terrible thing, whether you are a woman or a man. And even though some will demonize me for this, Women must start taking responsibility for their actions. Sometimes women will do as much as men to facilitate rape. If you get stumbling drunk with a man , then go to his bedroom, you are putting yourself in danger. If a person walks into a cave they knew contained a bear and gets mauled, do you only blame the bear? or do you look at the total situation and ask , what were they thinking? The idealist amoung is say that a woman should be able to walk around naked and not be raped, the realist keeps her clothes on and her eyes open because she knows that isn't the world we live in.
Sexual Harrasment, and I am not talking about simple unwanted advances. That is not sexual harrasment, that's just human nature, your not going to find everyone who hits on you attractive. If somemone puts there hands on you , that is assault. Sexual harrasment legally is when you boss demands sex or it's equilivent in exchange for something , a raise or keeping your job, and it is a terribe thing. But it effects men as well. Not only can homosexual bosses so the same thing, but there are also some women in powerful positions. Also when a man hires and promotes a woman for sexaul reasons it hurt the other members of that company. They potential will be paid the same as someone doing less work. And if it a woman who doesn't mind using her sexuality she has a definite advantage.
I have much more, but this is getting long. And I must add that we rritually mutilate mens genitals, put tremendous pressure on them, don't allow them emotinal outlets, and blame them for all that is wrong in the world.
And finally I must add the wonderful things about being a woman. Chivalry, despite feminists attempts to kill it, is still around. It is nice to have doors opened, and tasks done for you because a gentleman sees you as a lady. Getting out of trouble, I have been pulled over for running a stop sign, in front of the police station, and not gotten a ticket. The officer didn't even run my license, just smiled at me and told me to watch the signs. I have been pulled over 7 times, and have gotten 2 tickets. And extra time,and paitence in a million situations where I was dealing with the man in charge. Feminists seem to forget that if a woman is a lady, men will bend over backwards to do almost anything for her.

Brains_Behind_Operation
07-18-2006, 12:56 PM
Feminists seem to forget that if a woman is a lady, men will bend over backwards to do almost anything for her.


Far too much to comment on, so I'll just post my ideas on your last sentance here. I think that many feminists actually do realize this is still happening, but are offended by it. They probably shouldn't be though. They recieve the idea that the man thinks that a woman cannot do these things for herself so he has to. When in fact the man is doing it, for one, to preserve tradition, and also out of respect for the woman. It's a shame that the feminists don't see this for what it is and intentionally twist it into a negative just so they can continue to complain and make things worse all around.

Paisleyspeaker
07-18-2006, 01:00 PM
Yeah I know it's alot, I had to stop myself, I could have gone on more. I have never understood the whole anti-chivalry thing. I always feel honored that someone would be a gentlemen. I feel like he is making a comlpement, saying you are worth this. basically saying " I value you"
But I suspect they wouldn't be happy with anything a man could do, even if it was just what they asked for.

Brains_Behind_Operation
07-18-2006, 01:16 PM
Well you have to understand that each of these feminists were probably badly hurt by a man sometime in their life. Because of the acts of this one man, (or maybe a select few men), they hate men altogether and harp on anything and everything that is representative of what men are. If only we could convince them to open up and understand the issue with a more realistic positive light things would be much better. Unfortunately that is very difficult, and feminists can be very stubborn and unreceptive to a point of view that is offered which conflicts with their own steadfast convictions, no matter how the message is sent.

Paisleyspeaker
07-18-2006, 01:57 PM
I am sure there are indignities I have been spared. But I am one of the unlucky third, and love men anyway. I realized that to hate or carry anger like that would greatly effect the quality of my life, and not effect those I hated at all. But some things can't be taught, they can only be discovered. That's why I prefaced my statements about women's roles in rapes with a prediction of anger, I figured I would be taken wrong by those still angry.

General Septem
07-19-2006, 09:41 AM
I'll just add something here. I find it a little unintelligent when women say things like "because you have a penis," as if that's the only difference between men and women.

I don't know if you've ever played Metal Gear Solid but I like Meryl. She really wants to be a soldier, but at the same time she can be feminine, not like Demi Moore in a Few Good Men who basically has "feminism" written on her forehead. I can think of a few more examples of this but interestingly enough they're all from animes, and MGS is also Japanese.

Feminism is not one of those subjects I've given a lot of thought to. I'ts probably easier for me to look at someone else's thoughts on the matter and then comment on them.

I like feminists like Susan B. Anthony because she was pro-life. She understood that feminism was the movement to better women as women, whereas most man-hating feminists today want to be exactly the same as men. Susan B. Anthony knew that all abortion ever did was make women into killers and make it easier for men to use women.

Paisleyspeaker
07-19-2006, 08:10 PM
You can control your urges, but there are men who let the little head lead, and therefore will do things because they have a penis. But it is over used. Each gender has there own blessings and burdens. Men still control many things in many places, and will bend rules for women because they are women. Women are sometimes not taken seriously, but we can express ourselves without shame. Along with their control men carry a great deal of responsibility and are supposed to remain stoic through it all.

My husband has played and beat all of the Metal Gear games, the character name sounds familiar. I wish the angry womyn out there would realize that men and women were meant to balance each other, each providing what the other needs but does not have. That we are supposed to be diffrent and to be strong as women is to be strong women, not be lousy copies of men.

Chigun
07-20-2006, 03:20 AM
MGS, one of my fav. games.

Anyways, I am fully for women having complete rights. Unfortunately I have been tainted by some feminists who teamed up on me because I'm a man. It's almost like some want much higher rights then men because in the past they couldn't vote, etc. (And they had bad experiences with men, of course.) If we're going to have equality, let's have equality, but the fact remains that men and woman are different mentally and physically. We should at least honor that

Brains_Behind_Operation
07-20-2006, 06:13 AM
I don't know that there really is a mental difference. Sure, overall there are things that are different mentally. But that is mainly because of how people remain in their own groups and generally follow the expectations of society. That's the same basic reason that there are "mental" differences among different races.

General Septem
07-20-2006, 07:24 AM
I don't know that there really is a mental difference. Sure, overall there are things that are different mentally. But that is mainly because of how people remain in their own groups and generally follow the expectations of society. That's the same basic reason that there are "mental" differences among different races.
Well even the hormonal differences can cause women to act differently from men. Plus, men and women have different instincts. Men have an instinct to protect his family, while the woman has maternal instincts to care for her children.

Paisleyspeaker
07-20-2006, 07:27 AM
They have done MRI's and proved that men and women use their brains diffrently. So there is some truth to the statement that we think diffrently. Or use diffrent parts of the brain to have the same thought.

Brains_Behind_Operation
07-20-2006, 07:50 AM
Men have an instinct to protect his family, while the woman has maternal instincts to care for her children.


But isn't that basically the same thing? It's just adjusted for what each gender is physically able and more fit to perform.

General Septem
07-20-2006, 07:58 AM
But isn't that basically the same thing? It's just adjusted for what each gender is physically able and more fit to perform.
Not necessarily. Because to protect her children a woman must protect herself also. Whereas the men are the ones that go off and fight all the wars. Everything a woman looks for in a man all come down to how well he would be able to survive a supposed armageddon. Every major civilization has had a major downfall, or several. Like the fall of Rome. Who survived? The ones that could fight the best. And women's instincts are that if a man can survive this kind of armageddon, then his children should be able to as well.

Paisleyspeaker
07-20-2006, 08:26 AM
Don't forget mama bear, I would rip someone's arm off and beat them with it if they tried to hurt my babies. I have heard the argument that on an instictual level women seek men who they think will sire strong children and be able to provide well. That is the first I heard of looking for a man who could survive a cultrual apocolypse. There are diffrences in menand women that make them a good parenting team, I have almost infinite paitence and nurturing, but I am lousy at discipline, I want to comfort when they cry, and they cry when you tell them they can't have what they want. So Daddy takes care of discipline. I have found in my life it is all about balance, and if I am trying to be and do the things he is and does, it would tip the scales.

evelsteve
12-30-2010, 08:54 PM
This sounds like more bullshit "gender studies" rhetoric, when scientifically, not only are men and women physically different, but the difference in physicality is what separates them mentally as well. Culture is also an influence, but it only goes so far.

WhiteRaven
12-31-2010, 12:36 PM
the main thing that annoys me about feminists is what they have made women into, women are more group minded than men, and feminism has taught women that their group is other women, thus we have a bunch of mindless feminist drones who exclusively listen to other women regardless of how bad their advice is, while constantly bashing men. Women don't care what men have to say anymore regardless of how much damn sense it makes. Many can't even see men as friends anymore, and look at the guys they date as tools to be used.

There's about ten percent of decent women left. That's fine since that is probably how many good men are left as well. I think it's the same cause, if women will only be friends with men who act as their slaves, then many men, seeking that friendship in order to establish balance, will become their slaves. I'm sure I sound like bullfighter here, but I think this may be being orchestrated so the government can control us. That the government puts estrogen into our drinking, or refuses to remove it is more evidence of this.

Rec
12-31-2010, 03:26 PM
I think that we have lost what it means to be a woman and a man----that we have dissected and deconstructed what is there already with useless questions and demands. The idea to me that men and women compliment each other in the diverstiy and that complimentary being fills in with each other what the other lacks or needs. Yeah, call it old fashioned,,,,,but there are things a man can do that a woman cannot,,,,,things a woman can do that a man cannnot, and yet compliment, fill in and allow for an enjoyable and fulfilled life together,,,,unless of course, one choose otherwise. JMO

Carrot
01-01-2011, 09:43 AM
@Whiteraven:

Yes, you sound like bullfighter.

Besides, good little housewifes with hat wearing husbands are far easier to control.

Tha and you sound like the only women you know are bitches (well 90% of them...)