Yep, it's BULLSHIT - and here's how i know!

[keppler614]

Scientists (for the most part) agree that global warming is in ***DIRECT*** corrilation to the big hot thing that we revolve around. Some of you know it as the Sun, and *IT* - not mankind, dictate the gobal climate. C02 accounts for less than 1% of total global temprature impact (look it up!) - Mt St Helens - im my short 38 years of live has discharged *WAY* more "c02" than humans have in ... their HISTORY.

Face it - I know it sucks, and she is a bitch, but mother nature rules.. For us humans to think we can ruin the whole planet in just a couple hundred years is just ARROGANT bullshit.

The late GREAT George Carlin told us the same thing, and maybe... someday, when we are all grown up and willing to accept truth over a good scare story - we'll LISTEN. (!)

[Carrot]

Water vapour
Methane
CO2

CO2 - Clearing forest- not only does this release CO2 into the atmosshpere from the actual burning, it also drastically reduces the intake of CO2 from the atmosphere being held up in carbon compounds in plants, some of which is stored as coal.

Burning fuels- again releasing more CO2

Methane -has a drastic impact, this comes from basically cow farts and shit. The amount of livestock neede to feed 6 billion people is massive, in fact the best way to reduce global warming is to all become vegetarian.

6 billion people + all the livestock all respiring also adds to the CO2, but doesnt have as much as an impact as the methane.

Remember, all this is cumulative.

True, the earth's climate varies drastically, but these changes occur extremely gradually, and follow relatively predictable cycles (yes due to the orbit etc). The changes observed since the industrial revolution have been tiny, but they have occured in a VERY short amount of time and are too sudden to be purely natural, and the effects of global warming are exponential.

The film an inconvenient truth is largely true, even if they injected a bit more of 'doomsdayism' for added impact.

[General Septem]

Methane -has a drastic impact, this comes from basically cow farts and shit. The amount of livestock neede to feed 6 billion people is massive, in fact the best way to reduce global warming is to all become vegetarian.

For some reason something tells me this is your real agenda. Not that we need to stop global warming, but that we should all stop eating meat. The only problem is, nobody wants vaginitis. :D

[Carrot]

No, no, no. I'm a very enthusiastic meat eater. Just because I think global warming is happening and I tend to tone down threads doesn't automatically make me a tree hugging pussy.

The vegetarian bit was a bit of a 'fat chance' idea. The BEST way would be to wipe out most of the planet's population.

I posted in the 15 reasons why thread aswell if you want to look there.

[keppler614]

Ok, you make some valid points... Methane for example is a large part of it...however, and again feel free to look this up, but the natural forces (volcanoes n' shit) burp out more Methane in a day that we do in 10 years.

As for the cows - keep them, they are tasty and a GREAT excuse to eat A-1 sauce (lol)

water vapor - again, mankind has alomst 0% control over this (and yes it is a greenhouse gas)..

and for the BIGGEST one that you forgot! *drumroll* whats the BIGGEST greenhouse gas???

hydrogen. We (mankind) sure do not have any control over that.. My point here is that we have *SOME* impact on the environment... SOME.. and it can be bad - humans can ruin a nice river or pollute a lake faster than anything - however in the BIG picture, the damage we do is somewhat minimized by the sheer vastness of the planet, as well as it's ability to correct it's self.

The biggest polluter we as humans contribute to anything close to changing the environment is (way) cars. However, I feel that before we will "ruin" the environment by burning fossil fuels, they will be so depleted and expensive we will have new power sources and it will not matter.

we simply can not pollute fast enough for it to be much of a threat... with one HUGE exception... Nuclear weapons.

:/

[General Septem]

The people protesting global warming are the ones responsible for it. They don't just want a cleaner Earth, they want it THEIR way.

Nuclear power is completely safe, clean, almost endless, and extremely efficient. That's not good enough for liberals. The very possibility of catastrophic failure, which has NEVER HAPPENED save for Chernobyl's piece of shit budget reactor, is enough for them to put so much pressure on the government that we haven't built a single nuclear reactor in over 30 years.

Not only are they contributing to the burning of fossil fuels, they are also contributing to the danger, because newer plants would be even LESS likely to catastrophically fail, both because we know how to build them safer and cheaper, and because old shit breaks.

The fact is, the liberals pushing the global warming agenda are using the environment to push their REAL agenda - the deconstruction of ALL infrastructure that promotes anything remotely capitalistic. They don't just want us to stop polluting, they want us to stop using energy altogether and become one with nature.

They NEED something to guilt the population about so that they can get their own people into power. They will guilt us for crimes our ancestors committed, and then blame it all on the Republicans. They literally create issues that they can use to compete with. Like making everyone believe that they have an obligation to give a shit about people who look different from them.

[Carrot]

The people protesting global warming are the ones responsible for it. They don't just want a cleaner Earth, they want it THEIR way.

Nuclear power is completely safe, clean, almost endless, and extremely efficient. That's not good enough for liberals. The very possibility of catastrophic failure, which has NEVER HAPPENED save for Chernobyl's piece of shit budget reactor, is enough for them to put so much pressure on the government that we haven't built a single nuclear reactor in over 30 years.


I'm all for nuclear power. When I look at an issue I try not to include the politics at first.

Is global warming happening? Yes
Is it being helped along by human interference? Yes
Are some people using it to promote their own political agenda? Yes
Has it become a bit of a Fad and a marketing gimmick? Yes
Does that make it any less true? No
Can we help reduce the impact without becoming retarded tree hugging hippies living in the dark ages? Yes, so why don't we instead of labeling it some gimmick.

Just because attention seekers like gore are going round screaming about it doesn't make it false. In fact it probably hurt the global warming issue by making it more public knowledge (We've GOT TO DO SOMETHING OMG!), most recycling actually takes more energy (resulting in more pollution) than actually making a new one.

And it has resulted in disussions in pubs just going by head lines, rather than looking at the whole issue.'We're destroying the earth, we're all going to die!', ' 'No it's completely natural, like the ice age, yeah turns out the whole things a scam by gore'.

There's a middle ground.

That's the problem, everyone gets heaped into one big pile. For an example, as soon as you enter a discussion about abortion you are one of two:
1. Backwards, godfearing, mysogist pig who thinks abstinence is the only solution as god intended.
2. A selfish, ultra feminist (I'm a woman ROAR!) who loves murdering babies.

Again, all your points are against the people who are promoting the issue but actually not helping it at all. Fair enough.
But is global warming bullshit? I don't think so.

[keppler614]

The people protesting global warming are the ones responsible for it. They don't just want a cleaner Earth, they want it THEIR way.

Nuclear power is completely safe, clean, almost endless, and extremely efficient. That's not good enough for liberals. The very possibility of catastrophic failure, which has NEVER HAPPENED save for Chernobyl's piece of shit budget reactor, is enough for them to put so much pressure on the government that we haven't built a single nuclear reactor in over 30 years.

Not only are they contributing to the burning of fossil fuels, they are also contributing to the danger, because newer plants would be even LESS likely to catastrophically fail, both because we know how to build them safer and cheaper, and because old shit breaks.

The fact is, the liberals pushing the global warming agenda are using the environment to push their REAL agenda - the deconstruction of ALL infrastructure that promotes anything remotely capitalistic. They don't just want us to stop polluting, they want us to stop using energy altogether and become one with nature.

They NEED something to guilt the population about so that they can get their own people into power. They will guilt us for crimes our ancestors committed, and then blame it all on the Republicans. They literally create issues that they can use to compete with. Like making everyone believe that they have an obligation to give a shit about people who look different from them.

A-men, right on, and FUCK YEAH! :)

[General Septem]

Is global warming happening? Yes
Is it being helped along by human interference? Yes
Are some people using it to promote their own political agenda? Yes
Has it become a bit of a Fad and a marketing gimmick? Yes
Does that make it any less true? No
Can we help reduce the impact without becoming retarded tree hugging hippies living in the dark ages? Yes, so why don't we instead of labeling it some gimmick.

That's fair enough. My question though is, why is it necessarily a bad thing? My point about the ice age thing is that maybe getting out of this ice age once and for all might not be a bad thing.


That's the problem, everyone gets heaped into one big pile. For an example, as soon as you enter a discussion about abortion you are one of two:
1. Backwards, godfearing, mysogist pig who thinks abstinence is the only solution as god intended.
2. A selfish, ultra feminist (I'm a woman ROAR!) who loves murdering babies.


That's why I like to take the middle road and just piss everyone off. :D

[General Septem]

The vegetarian bit was a bit of a 'fat chance' idea. The BEST way would be to wipe out most of the planet's population.

That's absolutely right, which is a good argument for learning to live with it and use it to our advantage.

We're not going to stop global climate change. Eventually SOMETHING is going to happen. As it happens, we're still in an ice age because there are still ice sheets on the globe. For 95% of Earth's history, there have been no ice sheets. What we're in now is an interglacial period, which basically just means that we're in an ice age, but the glaciers have mostly retreated, at least for now. If we're just coming out of the ice age, I don't think we should necessarily try and stop it.

So we might lose some land as a result of the ice sheets adding to the ocean volume. It'll take long enough for people to be ready for it. And maybe if we're lucky we'll lose San Francisco. :D

[Carrot]

So we might lose some land as a result of the ice sheets adding to the ocean volume. It'll take long enough for people to be ready for it. And maybe if we're lucky we'll lose San Francisco. :D

Maybe I should arrange to go visit Holland sometime soon....

I just don't think (relatively) sudden changes in the climate are good overall. It's not just land being flooded, but changes in weather systems and damaging ecosystems. Fair enough these would happen anyway, but they would be more gradual, and be allowed to cope.

Yes, I know I sound gay there, but hey.:rolleyes: