Coldest Fall on Record

[ballzack]

I was in Florida last week when the temp dropped to 29 degrees.

I am in the midwest now and it's clear and cold - 19 degrees.
In the FALL!

Global warming, where are you?

[MrJim]

Well, DFW managed to stay consistently warm until the middle of this week... now it's hitting lows in the lower 30's... Still, it is supposed to be a long, cold winter this year.

[microman]

Well, DFW managed to stay consistently warm until the middle of this week... now it's hitting lows in the lower 30's... Still, it is supposed to be a long, cold winter this year.

We are going in a circle of conversation here but it's the cycle cause the world heats up and cools down. Welcome new ice age!:p

[General Septem]

Global warming, where are you?

I'm not siding with the anti-corporatist lefties on this one, but the official explanation of GW is that the average of the whole planet will increase by a few degrees, but overall most of the warmer areas will get colder. That's why scientists typically call it global climate change now and not global warming.

Between living in Hawaii at 43 degrees latitude or living in Alaska, I can't say I'd rather pick Alaska. The thing is, pointing out that the world is cooling down and not warming doesn't invalidate the more insidious claims of GW alarmists - namely, that the planet is doomed and the big scary corporations are responsible. They don't care if we're going to burn or freeze as long as they can make everyone believe it.

That said, Mars is warming up as is the Earth, which tells me the Sun is responsible. Oddly enough, the best scientific rebuttal I've heard for this theory is "LOL NO ITS NOT".

[ballzack]

I froze my ass off in Florida last week. Nightly lows hit 35 degrees. Now THAT'S COLD for November down there!

The earth warms and cools over eons. That's just a fact. But you can't sell books, control sale of chemicals like freon, or gain millions with the hype if it's natural. You have to SCARE people, tell them WE'RE causing our own doom and get a following to support your bogus claims until the myth becomes legend, and to some, fact.;)

[akeohane]

I was in Florida last week when the temp dropped to 29 degrees.

I am in the midwest now and it's clear and cold - 19 degrees.
In the FALL!

Global warming, where are you?

nonexistent maybe?

[ballzack]

nonexistent maybe?

No Kidding, AK, No kidding. "The Emperors New Clothes" comes to mind.

It's amazing this ridiculous notion has caught fire, but hell, there are people in America that believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, so why not Global Warming?

I am going to start a grass-roots organization that purports the Earth is starting to ROTATE FASTER on it's AXIS and I'll call it GLOBAL SPINNING! In 1000 years, it's going to spin so fast, We're going to fly off into space! WE HAVE TO STOP THIS TRAVESTY! And for only $1,000 mm (That's ONE THOUSAND MILLION OF YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS) I can set up a group to study this travesty! :D
Send me the money! :D:D Since I started this nonsense, I'll certainly take the lions share, say, $600 mm for myself as the founder. That will still leave $400 mm to fund the organization and get legislation passed to stop things that WE SAY are contributing to GLOBAL SPINNING.

1. Driving too fast on the highway. We will lower the national speed limit to 10 mph. Anything over that, we purport causes more Global Spinning! We have a solution, though. The G.S.F. (Global Spinning Foundation) will sell you a PASS that let's you drive over 10 mph without a huge fine. This pass only costs TEN CENTS per mile per vehicle paid to me and my organization! It's only FAIR. Remember, GLOBAL SPINNING is going to KILL US!

2. Flying is oK but takeoffs and landings are pushing the Earth faster, so no Jet travel - that is out. But for only $50 extra per ticket, you can take off and land so we can fund study as to how to stop this travesty. Payable of course to my G.S. foundation.

3. NO GUNS! Every time you discharge a firearm you push the Earth faster! Now, we have a solution. The G.S. Foundation Firearms have a special chemical in the gun powder that WE PURPORT does NOT cause global spinning, so you MUST USE our guns that accept OUR bullets. We will set up factories nationwide that manufacture our guns and our bullets. Yea, they cost about five times as much as guns and ammo do now, but hell, WE MUST SAVE OUR PLANET FROM GLOBAL SPINNING!


Should I go on? Or is this absolutely RIDICULOUS? YES, it's absurd, but so is GLOBAL WARMING because the SAME THING HAS HAPPENED!

The absurdity of what sometimes goes on in this country amazes me. And we stand for it. Truly amazing.

As a culture, we WASTE FAR TOO MUCH MONEY AND ENERGY on RIDICULOUS notions like Global Warming, when we could put this money and this energy into noble and worthwhile campaigns. Sad.

[Carrot]

You should look at the issue from both sides in detail, and then form an opinion. Not just watch 'An inconvenient truth' (which does exaggerate) and form the polar opposite opinion.

'OMG lulz its colder today than yesterday lulz at global warming' doesn't really cut it.

But I've talked quite a bit about this before.

[Limbo]

Big embarrassment for global warming alarmists. Click link below to read.

October 2008 the hottest on record!!?? Only in the minds of biased, sloppy, "true believers" who never question anything that supports their case, no matter how absurd. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml)

[ballzack]

You should look at the issue from both sides in detail, and then form an opinion. Not just watch 'An inconvenient truth' (which does exaggerate) and form the polar opposite opinion.

'OMG lulz its colder today than yesterday lulz at global warming' doesn't really cut it.

But I've talked quite a bit about this before.

There is no issue. Global warming is one of the largest scams ever placed on the American Population as a whole.

So if you believe it, then send me money because I'll sell you on the fact that Global SPINNING is going to kill us in 1000 years. If you send me enough, when there is $$ at stake, I can find scientists whom will purport the same thing. Anything for a price.

[Carrot]

Big embarrassment for global warming alarmists. Click link below to read.

October 2008 the hottest on record!!?? Only in the minds of biased, sloppy, "true believers" who never question anything that supports their case, no matter how absurd. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml)

The problem with Gore is he's an absolute idiot. He found a place in the limelight and is desperate to cling on to it, along with his ridiculous graph.

Gore is just as bad as all the people looking out the window, seeing snow and saying 'so much for global warming', except he's on the other end of the spectrum. It Looks like they just 'conveniently' slipped up so he cld have another joyride in that elevator of his iluustrating the GRAPH OF DEATH!

And thats why scientists call it climate change.

[Carrot]

There is no issue. Global warming is one of the largest scams ever placed on the American Population as a whole.

So if you believe it, then send me money because I'll sell you on the fact that Global SPINNING is going to kill us in 1000 years. If you send me enough, when there is $$ at stake, I can find scientists whom will purport the same thing. Anything for a price.

Just because it is being milked for all it's worth doesn't make it not true.

I can see that it is being exaggerated/abused. But you flat out deny that it's happening at all.

[LedZap]

So...first it was called "Global Warming", but when that didn't prove out , now it's called "Global Climate Change"? Anything to cheat us out of money.Don't fall for it.

[ballzack]

Just because it is being milked for all it's worth doesn't make it not true.

I can see that it is being exaggerated/abused. But you flat out deny that it's happening at all.

Yes, I do. It's a FARCE.

But I am telling you, my global spinning is REAL and I need millions to study it.

Actually, I have to edit this.

On a serious note, the Earth MAY be in a warming cycle based on sunspot activity, weather phenomena, Axial Tilt and/or a number of other variables- known or unknown. MAY being the operative word. Now. leading meteorologists and scientists are starting to think we're in a cooling cycle. The Earth knows no time constraints or physical limitation as man likes to put on it. Climatic changes have been and will continue to happen for eons. The notion that WE are changing the climate is what I find hilarious. But again, it is a GREAT way to campaign and raise money.

[Limbo]

So...first it was called "Global Warming", but when that didn't prove out , now it's called "Global Climate Change"? Anything to cheat us out of money.Don't fall for it.

Yeah, don't you like a theory that goes like this:

Climate change is...

The climate will warm, unless it cools. Either way, it is caused by man, and the only solution is higher taxes, more government control, and pandering to the whims of extreme environmentalists.

How is such a thing within the realm of science?

[Limbo]

Actually, here is the whole article I was referring to above with some bits highlighted.


The world has never seen such freezing heat

By Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 16/11/2008

Have your say Read comments

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.

My question is this. How can Dr. Hansen be viewed as an unbiased scientist in search of the truth? Obviously he can't, nor can the chairman of the IPCC. Let's be clear, they are political and environmental activists advocating for a cause, no better than Al "carbon credits" Gore.

[ballzack]

Interesting, Limbo.

Show many Scientists the MONEY, they'll show you data that supports the money TRAIL.. ;)

[MrJim]

Texas weather:

April 2006: Record breaking, killer 115-ish degree days
April 2007: Temperatures near or at freezing during the same week as prior year.

One year tank tops, next year parkas. This year was relatively normal. I just can't find a trend up or down, least not here.

[Limbo]

There has been a lot of hysterics over arctic sea ice loss and drowning polar bears and such. This fall, sea ice in the arctic has bounced back to near normal levels with a vengeance. Check out this graph. The red line represents sea ice area this year. The black line represents normal ice levels, and the gray area beside the line represents one standard deviation from the average. As you can see, polar bears will have lots of ice to frolic on this winter.

http://eva.nersc.no/vhost/arctic-roos.org/doc/observations/images/ssmi1_ice_area_small.png

[akeohane]

the bottom line is nothing can just rise and rise exponentially, eventually the temperatures will go down.

[General Septem]

the bottom line is nothing can just rise and rise exponentially, eventually the temperatures will go down.

Lots of things grow exponentially, the question is for how long.