Proud to be White

[freakazoid]

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police
officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-
dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you
call him a racist.

I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is.

Proud to be White
..
Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point.

This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments
in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...

Someone finally said it... How many are actually paying attention
to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian
Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just
Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'
... and that's OK.

But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel
Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ... You call me a racist. You say that
whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos
the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther
King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez
Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have
the NAACP. You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment
Television), we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would
call us racists. If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives, we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of
Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that??

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant,
but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships
...You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US.

Yet if there were 'White colleges' That would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching
for your race and rights.


If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange,
and you're not afraid to announce it.

But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police
officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-
dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you
call him a racist.

I am proud... But you call me a racist.

Why is it that only whites can be racists??

There is nothing improper about this e-mail. Let's see which of you
are proud enough to send it on. I sadly don't think many will. That's
why we have lost most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't
stand up for ourselves!
BE PROUD TO BE WHITE!
It's not a crime yet ... but getting real close since the elections!

[Carrot]

While that's all true enough you can see where it comes from.

There is more of a reason to have black organisations than white because they were oppressed, lynched etc....all by whites. (I'm not saying that there should be organisations btw)

So when a minority says they're proud, its more like rising above being oppressed, but when it's whites it can be seen as trying to put others back in their place(even if they're not). Especially since most insults towards blacks echo how they were though of as less than human.

Ideally that should all be water under the bridge by now, and people wouldn't feel the need to declare themselves as being proud to be any colour/ethnicity.

[Loseirdo]

The real tragedy is that, after so many decades of fighting for civil rights, minorities are STILL being oppressed.

Organizations like the NAACP are extremely prejudiced against black people. If I were black, I would be incredibly insulted by the existence of an organization whose primary assumption is that, because I'm black, I do not possess the ability to make it as far as the average white man.

I would be incredibly insulted by the existence of a law that's primary assumption is that, because I'm black, I do not possess the intellectual capacity to be accepted into a college rather than a white person.

These things were created at a time when black people were heavily oppressed by white people (not just pissed off rednecks, but all white people, including a vast majority of academia, hence affirmative action). They served a purpose at one point. Now they are just incredibly insensitive to black people.

Prejudice still exists. It takes the form of anything purported to "help" minorities.

Giving preference to one race over other races, or to one person over another because of their race, is the very definition of racism. Yet I think it will be quite a while before we see it done away with. :(

[Baron Somebody]

It's like when a white dude shoots a black dude they call him a "skinhead" or a "Neo Nazi"

[Hammerhead]

The real tragedy is that, after so many decades of fighting for civil rights, minorities are STILL being oppressed.

Organizations like the NAACP are extremely prejudiced against black people. If I were black, I would be incredibly insulted by the existence of an organization whose primary assumption is that, because I'm black, I do not possess the ability to make it as far as the average white man.

I would be incredibly insulted by the existence of a law that's primary assumption is that, because I'm black, I do not possess the intellectual capacity to be accepted into a college rather than a white person.

These things were created at a time when black people were heavily oppressed by white people (not just pissed off rednecks, but all white people, including a vast majority of academia, hence affirmative action). They served a purpose at one point. Now they are just incredibly insensitive to black people.

Prejudice still exists. It takes the form of anything purported to "help" minorities.

Giving preference to one race over other races, or to one person over another because of their race, is the very definition of racism. Yet I think it will be quite a while before we see it done away with. :(

you are right, and what i find ironic is that the
black leaders, are the biggest raciest of them all
and that mentality is geared more towards who they are supposed to help
they use fear as a huge motive
they will lose their power and monopoly
if there was a way to get the black man
to believe that the only ones holding them back
are the very ones that they are listening to
and orginzations like naacp and people like jessie jackson,
al sharpton
their eyes would open wide and then
maybe just maybe
everyone born here in america
will be called americans

[akeohane]

I have been wondering about why Whites are racists, and no other race is.

if thats true, then what are you towards islam?





Someone finally said it... How many are actually paying attention
to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian
Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just
Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'
... and that's OK.

that is because those words do not have the same meaning. and besides if you're so proud to be white those words shouldn't even bother you.



If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance'
OUR lives, we'd be racists.

the majority of white people dont need their lives "advanced". call me racist for saying that if you like but you know it's true.



You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police
officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-
dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you
call him a racist.

have you even been robbed carjacked or shot at? if so im sorry for your loss.

are you implying that only blacks commit these crimes? if thats what you think turn on your tv and watch "cops" for half an hour. you know what you'll see? a bunch of broke ass white people beating the shit out of each other.

[Loseirdo]

the majority of white people dont need their lives "advanced".

a bunch of broke ass white people


Good call there, professor dipshit.

[hitekredneck]

if thats true, then what are you towards islam?
islam is a religion, not a race...


that is because those words do not have the same meaning. and besides if you're so proud to be white those words shouldn't even bother you.
horseshit...the words are derogatory regardless of who says them or who they're directed at...


the majority of white people dont need their lives "advanced". call me racist for saying that if you like but you know it's true.
so you're stating that whites don't deserve the same advantages as other races?...that's ignorance at it's best


have you even been robbed carjacked or shot at? if so im sorry for your loss.

are you implying that only blacks commit these crimes? if thats what you think turn on your tv and watch "cops" for half an hour. you know what you'll see? a bunch of broke ass white people beating the shit out of each other.

i grew up the only white kid for a 15 mile radius in a place called barrett station, that's now known as the 5th ward...i do know what it's like to be a victim of racism...and yes, i've been shot, stabbed, beat up, robbed (attempted, that is) and contend that whites do the same thing...tbf, blacks have been socially disadvantaged up until the last 30 years or so, but they have more advantages than most whites today...yet they still commit more crimes, and that's why cops tend to do racial profiling...the reason blacks hold a majority in prison populations is simply because more blacks commit violent crimes than whites, and that's a statistic that can be proven :cool:
btw, i'm not, nor have i ever been prejudiced towards any race...i like all women :D

[General Septem]

Good call there, professor dipshit.

Good to have you back, man. :D

[akeohane]

Good call there, professor dipshit.

i see where you're coming from, i said that "broke ass white people", "dont need their lives advanced". now when i said "advanced" i was not talking about money. (i dont really give a shit if you're poor or not, thats your own damn fault). i was talking about how if anyone has unequal rights in the usa it's black people.
now before you go saying obama this obama that, realize that this guy is just as white as he is black, and that he is only one out of 44 (we've had 43 white presidents).

[akeohane]

islam is a religion, not a race...
thats not the point...



horseshit...the words are derogatory regardless of who says them or who they're directed at...

i guess that's just you. the words; 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' and 'Caveman' dont bother me at all.


so you're stating that whites don't deserve the same advantages as other races?...that's ignorance at it's best


as i said in my last post, no one really deserves the advantages. im talking about money here.

[Loseirdo]

i see where you're coming from, i said that "broke ass white people", "dont need their lives advanced". now when i said "advanced" i was not talking about money. (i dont really give a shit if you're poor or not, thats your own damn fault). i was talking about how if anyone has unequal rights in the usa it's black people.
now before you go saying obama this obama that, realize that this guy is just as white as he is black, and that he is only one out of 44 (we've had 43 white presidents).

I honestly, and I really mean this, could not care less about Obama.

Obama's victory means absolutely nothing in terms of racial equality.

Sure, I could form an argument for the fact that a lot of people only voted for Obama because he's half black and therefore he won because people are racist, but there would be no fucking point. We all know it's true and it doesn't make any difference.

If you honestly think that black people somehow have unequal rights, you have no idea what "rights" are.

Absolutely everything that a white person is allowed to do, a black person is allowed to do as well. It don't get more equal than that.

But wait, black people and white people aren't equal after all. Why not? Because there are tons of measures in place (see previous posts) to ensure that black people will receive better treatment than white people.

It's time to face facts, ake -- racial preference lies with the black community now. And racial preference is, and always will be, racist.

[hitekredneck]

thats not the point...
but it is...there's nothing racial there...prejudiced against a religous ideal, mebbe, but not racial...


i guess that's just you. the words; 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' and 'Caveman' dont bother me at all.
no, it isn't "just me"...those are just words, and words don't bother me at all...the point is that the terms are intended to be offensive, regardless of who they come from or who they are directed at...


as i said in my last post, no one really deserves the advantages. im talking about money here.
as i've stated before, everybody has the same opportunities in this country to make as much money as they want...unfortunately, too many idiots seem to believe that people don't deserve to keep what they earn :cool:

[freakazoid]

but it is...there's nothing racial there...prejudiced against a religous ideal, mebbe, but not racial...


no, it isn't "just me"...those are just words, and words don't bother me at all...the point is that the terms are intended to be offensive, regardless of who they come from or who they are directed at...


as i've stated before, everybody has the same opportunities in this country to make as much money as they want...unfortunately, too many idiots seem to believe that people don't deserve to keep what they earn :cool:

RE: "as i've stated before, everybody has the same opportunities in this country to make as much money as they want...unfortunately, too many idiots seem to believe that people don't deserve to keep what they earn :cool:"

Hmmm, That sounds like promoIdiot and PaislyS

[yee-haw]

I am not an racist, I hate every one the same.- W.C. Fields :D

[akeohane]

but it is...there's nothing racial there...prejudiced against a religous ideal, mebbe, but not racial...
the word race has not been defined or used consistently; its referents are varied and shift depending on context. The term is often used colloquially to refer to a range of human groupings. religious, cultural, social, national, ethnic, linguistic, genetic, geographical and anatomical groups have been and sometimes still are called 'races'.



no, it isn't "just me"...those are just words, and words don't bother me at all...the point is that the terms are intended to be offensive, regardless of who they come from or who they are directed at...

i meant 'that's your opinion' not 'that's not what everyone else thinks'.



as i've stated before, everybody has the same opportunities in this country to make as much money as they want...unfortunately, too many idiots seem to believe that people don't deserve to keep what they earn :cool:
[/QUOTE]
as i've stated before i dont care if you're poor it's your own damn fault,

[akeohane]

Sure, I could form an argument for the fact that a lot of people only voted for Obama because he's half black and therefore he won because people are racist, but there would be no fucking point. We all know it's true and it doesn't make any difference.
i believe that as many people voted for obama because he is black as voted against him for the very same reason.

[akeohane]

RE: "as i've stated before, everybody has the same opportunities in this country to make as much money as they want...unfortunately, too many idiots seem to believe that people don't deserve to keep what they earn :cool:"

Hmmm, That sounds like promoIdiot and PaislyS

it also sounds like George Bush... a quote from my 9th grade am history book. "...Bush decided to take the surplus that he'd inherited from Clinton, and divide it up amongst the American people...."

[ballzack]

Far left radical liberalism dictates "political correctness" so that our thought is controlled. Control our speech, in essence you control our thoughts. That's the goal.

I.E., if a black brother says "Black is Beautiful" we're supposed to say, "Oh, that's wonderful! He's proud to be black!"

If a white man says "White is Right" we're supposed to say "OH, how HORRIBLE, that TERRIBLE WHITE RACIST!"

Bullshit. FREEDOM OF SPEECH is just that. WE can say WHATEVER THE HELL we want to, and screw anyone that tells us not to. FREEDOM of speech and FREEDOM of THOUGHT go hand in hand. Sure, there are REASONABLE limits! You can't shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater for poops and giggles. That's a prudence measure. Barring imminent safety, say whatever the hell you want to, and SCREW the radical left political bullshit naysayers. When they say "don't say that' tell them to shut the hell up or face criminal charges for impeding your constitutional right to speak freely. :D

[Obama Oblowme]

We Were So Close To Having A Great Leader Like Mr Mccain Now Where All Going To Be Suffering For The Next 4 Years Its Going To Be Hell To Be White I Knew This A Long Time Ago Where Screwed We Were Doing Such A Good Job Keeping America The Way It Should Be And Now Where Going To Pay Taxes That Dont Make Sense Becasue A Muslim Is Telling Us How To Live Out Lifes

[theprofessor]

We Were So Close To Having A Great Leader Like Mr Mccain Now Where All Going To Be Suffering For The Next 4 Years Its Going To Be Hell To Be White I Knew This A Long Time Ago Where Screwed We Were Doing Such A Good Job Keeping America The Way It Should Be And Now Where Going To Pay Taxes That Dont Make Sense Becasue A Muslim Is Telling Us How To Live Out Lifes

Punctuation and basic grammar are your friends, use them. I thought anyone with a brain was over this "obama is a muslim" kick.

[Ope]

i believe that as many people voted for obama because he is black as voted against him for the very same reason.

Not even close.

First of all, you have most of the black community voting for him just because it is "a monumental achievement in American history". Then you have fucktards like my parents and grandparents that voted for him to solidify their belief that, "Hey, I'm not racist cuz I voted for a black guy, wait, African American, lololol." As sad as this sounds, I truly think that a very large amount of his votes came from this belief system.

Our political system is fuct.

[chihuahua236]

It's gonna be like this.
"White people!!BACK OF THE BUS!!!"
Not being racist but one of my friends said this to me and I thought it was hilarious as fuck.

[Carrot]

It's gonna be like this.
"White people!!BACK OF THE BUS!!!"
Not being racist but one of my friends said this to me and I thought it was hilarious as fuck.

It's funny if he's black.

[chihuahua236]

It's funny if he's black.

Lol that's the thing. He's mixed.

[General Septem]

Lol that's the thing. He's mixed.

If he's part white, he's a whitey. Back of the bus for his cracker ass.

[Carrot]

If he's part white, he's a whitey. Back of the bus for his cracker ass.

Nah, he's just nigger-lite.



I apologise.

[bullfighter]

While that's all true enough you can see where it comes from.

There is more of a reason to have black organisations than white because they were oppressed, lynched etc....all by whites. (I'm not saying that there should be organisations btw)

So when a minority says they're proud, its more like rising above being oppressed, but when it's whites it can be seen as trying to put others back in their place(even if they're not). Especially since most insults towards blacks echo how they were though of as less than human.

Ideally that should all be water under the bridge by now, and people wouldn't feel the need to declare themselves as being proud to be any colour/ethnicity.

and o yah colour blind

[ballzack]

Nah, he's just nigger-lite.



I apologise.

No need to apologize.
Freedom of speech. If a black person calls you a cracker or honky, it's supposed to be OK, because he's black. You use the "N' word which is ONLY A WORD and truly can't hurt anyone, the people that complain the most are usually the radicals that want you to adhere to their political correctness bullshit.

WHY?

Because they want to control how you think. Control your speech, and they control your thought. That's the goal, and it's bullshit. They want you to believe you are subservient and submissive to their whims. "You must not say this, you must say that" only, ultimately, shapes your mind.

It's STILL a free country. Say what you feel. If others don't like it, you know what? Just like TV, they can tune you out. To tell you to shut up or not to say certain things is unconstitutional. And it's time we threw that in their faces! We have to start shaping THEIR speech and their minds to the constitution before it's too late.

[hitekredneck]

great fuckin post, zack...can't say it any better :cool:

[ballzack]

Thanks, Tek. One of the nice things about getting longer in the tooth is you tend to see through the bullshit to the root issue. And this is one of them.

Political Correctness, launched during the Clinton Administration, is pure bullshit and needs to be exposed for what it really is. A method to control your speech and thus shape your mind to THEIR way of thinking. Nonsense, and unconstitutional.

One of the things I admire most about Freak is that he says WHAT HE FEELS and the hell with anyone who does not like it. Don't like it? Challenge him or ignore his posts. He is exercising his right to freedom of the press.
Hell, even PromIdiot has the right to post whatever he wants, misguided as it is.

Are there limits? Sure, you can't shout 'FIRE" for no reason in a crowded theater, or, you can't post or print TREASONOUS propaganda. That's also covered in our laws and constitution. But barring common sense things like that, we have the LIBERTY to post whatever we feel like posting.

[hitekredneck]

exactly...i'm sure you've noticed many changes as i have...i dislike public schools policies on bullyin nowadays...instead of having the kids stand up for themselves, they've (the pc crowd) instead turned our kids into a bunch of panty-waste snitches...people are afraid to speak out for offending somebody...too many people want us to rely on governmental officials for our personal safety, our way of life, and i'm beginning to think many want em to wipe their asses :cool:

[Carrot]

While I do agree with your post to a large degree, I think we do still have to have some tact with racial insults. Sure, if he calls you a honk/cracker you could call him a nigger. But if you make racial jokes you should be aware of who's around.

I, for example, wouldn't start making black jokes if I was in a group of people with someone black I didn't know well. I'm all for racism if it's for comedy for everyone, but if it's used to isolate/insult then I wouldn't be comfortable around it.

Like when me and my friends watch sport we will sometimes refer to the strength of the player by how black they are. For those who watch Football we joke about how Didier Drogba is a 'thoroughbread proper nigger' because he's far more powerful and darker than the likes of Ashley cole who's 'nigger-lite' or 'diet-nigger'. We all know we arent racists, and its funny, but I would never dream of saying that around a black person unless I knew they'd be fine with it. I wouldn't just say too bad it's a free country you nigger (not that you would).

Edit: yes we have the freedom to say whatever want, that's great! But it doesn't mean we should neccesarily go round insulting everyone, all the time for the sake of it. It's manners really.

[ballzack]

BRAVO!

EXACTLY!

I remember Mel Gibson in an interview on some TV show 15 or 20 years ago at the beginning of P.C. in America. He was asked how he liked America VS Australia (I think it was Australia - where he was originally from).

He said "Too restrictive on what you can and can't say, and too much litigation for such. In Austrailia, you can call a Mate a bad name, then go outside and whomp the tar out of each other and that's that. Then you go back inside the bar and have a drink while you bleed all over each other. It's done. Here, you guys would be tied up in 10 years of litigation for name-calling and fighting. It's ridiculous and a waste of time."

I liked that!

[hitekredneck]

it isn't really the racial slurs that i'm talking about, carrot...when i was a kid, if ya had a problem with another kid, you went out behind the gym and wailed on each other until ya seen eye to eye....most of the time, you were pretty good buddies after, at least in many of my cases...if there was a bully picking on you, you whomped his ass, and made him realize it really isn't worth it...kinda like what mel stated...i agree that manners are greatly important, tho i have few, being who and what i am...i guess my point is that i bemoan the lack of common sense being shown today in all areas, not only political, but social as well.

[Carrot]

I remember an Oprah show when there was this whole fiasco of when a guy with torrets syndrome had a black neighbour and he would shout out 'nigger' alot. A lot of crying and do 'I have deep seated racism?' etc.

Come on! Torrets syndrome makes you swear in order to get a shock response, it's the damned condition, but no. It was all about how maybe he had a bad experience or something round a black guy.

[ballzack]

Carrot,
Of course!

Come on, now. Common sense and Rational Thought prevails! Of course you have to temper AS A GENTLEMAN and a cultured person your speech to suit the situation. That's not what I am saying.
I'm referring to curbing your speech for no good reason other than the fact that you are worried about P.C. ! ;)

[Carrot]

Tek, that post was largely in response to ballzack's post.

On the issue of lack of common sense creeping into schools, I couldn't agree more. The talk around taking away gym/ lunch break in the playgrounds at school because it's 'too dangerous' really pissies me off. As do high visibility jackets for any paid occupation outside even if it's in full daylight (minor issue, but the UK health and safety business gets ridiculous).

[hitekredneck]

I remember an Oprah show when there was this whole fiasco of when a guy with torrets syndrome had a black neighbour and he would shout out 'nigger' alot. A lot of crying and do 'I have deep seated racism?' etc.

Come on! Torrets syndrome makes you swear in order to get a shock response, it's the damned condition, but no. It was all about how maybe he had a bad experience or something round a black guy.

hell, man, i was shot in the leg at the age of 8 by a puerto rican...don't mean i go around insulting or attacking any that i see, tho...tourettes is a completely different matter, which i liken to autism, as the receptors in the brain misfire to cause actions uncontrollable by the victim...

[ballzack]

Ouch, Tek. Shit. I'm not sure I'd be over that yet if I were in a similar situation.
As Ali G says "Respect!"

[hitekredneck]

Ouch, Tek. Shit. I'm not sure I'd be over that yet if I were in a similar situation.
As Ali G says "Respect!"

lotta years to get over it, zack...that and i've learned that you cannot blame an entire ethnic group for the actions of a few...i learned that growing up where/how i did

[ballzack]

Profound introspective insight.

You're a better man than most. Most would still carry that huge chip on their shoulder and be ready to fight at a moment's notice.

[hitekredneck]

Profound introspective insight.

You're a better man than most. Most would still carry that huge chip on their shoulder and be ready to fight at a moment's notice.

hell, zack...i'm too old n beat up to play kids games anymore....now i just prefer to shoot em and ask questions later :D
it really doesn't pay to hold grudges long term, unless it's for something really despicable...i've an extremely explosive temper, but get over it rather quickly, once i rationalize things out, ya know what i mean?

[Carrot]

Forgive, never forget.

[chihuahua236]

Don't forgive em. Put a 5.56 into em. :D

[ballzack]

If I ever got into a conflict, ChiChi, I'd sure as hell want YOU by my side!

Like LBJ used to say "I'd rather have you in my tent pissing OUT!"
:D

[hitekredneck]

Don't forgive em. Put a 5.56 into em. :D
now chi, i knows you don't expect me to go after a whole fuckin race just cause of one asshole, right?...besides, i prefer my 7mm mag, or for close in, 12 guage slug :cool:

[ballzack]

I must cast my vote for the 40 smith and wesson.
Basically, it's a 10mm short round.
balistically, a very bad-ass round. Especially when bench-reloaded and tuned-up to Plus-P velocity! :D

[hitekredneck]

I must cast my vote for the 40 smith and wesson.
Basically, it's a 10mm short round.
balistically, a very bad-ass round. Especially when bench-reloaded and tuned-up to Plus-P velocity! :D

definitely my favorite handgun round, zack...way better stopping power than a 9mm, without the over-penetration of the .45's and up...but like i said, i prefer mr mossberg for close-in wet work...even the "clack-clack" of jacking the round sounds fucking ominous :D

[General Septem]

without the over-penetration of the .45's and up...

Not as much of a problem if you have hollowpoint. :D

[Baron Somebody]

Guns are for assholes who can't fight...I prefer to hack and slash at people

[Baron Somebody]

But NEVER bring a knife to a gun fight, that swordsman on Indiana Jones learned his lesson too late

[General Septem]

Good morning to YOU, nigga!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMoZMmP9v4

[Baron Somebody]

Ok, "nigga"

[akeohane]

that is some funny shit.

[Hammerhead]

Guns are for assholes who can't fight...I prefer to hack and slash at people

and you are still shiting green also

[Baron Somebody]

Huh? What's that mean?

[Hammerhead]

Huh? What's that mean?

have you ever had your life in someone else's hands ?
have you stared death in the face?
if that ever comes, i hope it doesn't. but you want a gun

[Hammerhead]

so your saying i can't fight

[Carrot]

That japanese video is the shit.

As for your comment about guns Baron, knives are for people who can't fight. Guns are for people who don't want a fight in the first place (civilian situations).

[ballzack]

God created man, Sam Colt made them equal.

Back to ballistic discussion, I agree Tek. I think we discussed this before, but the 40 S and W is one bad-ass round and tactically superior. If I am in a situation where I need a handgun, I want one shot stops.

And racking a pump shotgun is still the most fearful sound to any home intruder. They usually depart post-haste!;)

[hitekredneck]

That japanese video is the shit.

As for your comment about guns Baron, knives are for people who can't fight. Guns are for people who don't want a fight in the first place (civilian situations).

give this man a fuckin cigar :cool: good post, carrot

[England Expects]

I'd rather just fight.

[hitekredneck]

God created man, Sam Colt made them equal.

Back to ballistic discussion, I agree Tek. I think we discussed this before, but the 40 S and W is one bad-ass round and tactically superior. If I am in a situation where I need a handgun, I want one shot stops.

And racking a pump shotgun is still the most fearful sound to any home intruder. They usually depart post-haste!;)

not only that, zack, but i guarantee a hollow-point 12 guage slug will stop ANY intruder, even if wearing a vest...may not kill em, but they ain't gonna be very happy when they come to...i shot a dead tree with one, it was about 30 inches in diameter, and quite rotton...it put a hole in the back side roughly 18 inches in diameter ;) i've found out i can order a desert eagle in .40 s&w, but it'll take some major change, if ya know what i mean...those are the best built handguns in the world, tho a little bulky...but, the recoil on it would be nearly non-existant, esp with sub-sonic rounds...

[ballzack]

Depends, E.

IF you were in America, you may have a different paradigm. As you know, we're a gun-toting culture.

If you were, say, on business in Miami, and were being jacked by a group of Cuban refugees whom just wanted your wallet and car before they killed you, fighting may not be an option. The police won't even go to some of those situations without a lot of back-up and sirens blaring for miles so the perpitrators flee long before the cops get there.

In Europe, hell yes. Most places, I'll take the fight over guns any day. ;) When guns enter the picture, they tend to have finite results.:eek:

[England Expects]

In Europe, hell yes. Most places, I'll take the fight over guns any day. ;) When guns enter the picture, they tend to have finite results.:eek:

So you agree with me that guns are the problem, not the solution?;)

[hitekredneck]

I'd rather just fight.

i'm with ya, buddy...but in today's unstable times, it's best to be prepared all the way around..

[ballzack]

In some cases, yes.
I am a rational thought human. ;)

If you met some of my neighbors, however, you'd own a gun! :D

[hitekredneck]

So you agree with me that guns are the problem, not the solution?;)

the gun isn't the problem, it's a tool...the problem is those who misuse those tools :cool:

[ballzack]

Philosophical issue at the core.

Yow. This could be a raging debate! ;)

I better have my gun at the ready! :D:D:D

[hitekredneck]

Philosophical issue at the core.

Yow. This could be a raging debate! ;)

I better have my gun at the ready! :D

meh...me n e have beat this horse to death a couple dozen times over the last year...that not-so-little fucker was baiting you...or me :D sokay, tho...i still like that british bastard ;)

[ballzack]

I love E.
Seriously.

He brings balance and perspective to the forum! And he's got class.

Bond.... E. Bond! :D

[England Expects]

...that not-so-little fucker was baiting you...or me :D

As the french would say....... Moi?
:D

[ballzack]

Oui! VOUS, MON AMI!

But we LOVE you for that! :D

[Carrot]

I think I'd rather be robbed by a guy with a gun than a knife if I'm unarmed. Then he flashes it and we both know who's in control. With a knife it's far more likely a struggle will break out and it'll get messy.

Guns wouldn't be so much of a problem if they were all registered, but that's not going to happen.

[hitekredneck]

As the french would say....... Moi?
:D

ee, do ya remember this?
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=2037&highlight=shooting
:D

[ballzack]

Agreed, Carrot.

Unless I happen to be, say, a Navy Seal, or similarly trained hand-to-hand combat expert. Then I'd take the knife away and stick it up his ass. :D

[Baron Somebody]

have you ever had your life in someone else's hands ?
have you stared death in the face?
if that ever comes, i hope it doesn't. but you want a gun

I really feel like an asshole now...sorry man

[Baron Somebody]

I'm just saying, axes are more fun to get your anger out...although I hate when people do carry guns just to carry them, it's like what the hell, you know? If you can fight without a gun than you could have one for all I care

[Baron Somebody]

Besides, I don't use knives, I have a hatchet and a huge ass wrench with duct tape for a handle...but I'd rather have a chainsaw than a gun any day

[England Expects]

ee, do ya remember this?
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=2037&highlight=shooting
:D

I do yeah. I think that's the last time we went over it. I'm sure theres a better one than that though. At one point we were having the same argument over two different threads, and I had to ask you to stop because you were frying my brain.:D

[bullfighter]

definitely my favorite handgun round, zack...way better stopping power than a 9mm, without the over-penetration of the .45's and up...but like i said, i prefer mr mossberg for close-in wet work...even the "clack-clack" of jacking the round sounds fucking ominous :D

causein yo be need im..hope you got lots of ammo

[Viking]

when you are in America or you are American or get the hell out. I hate those things, like the blac Celebration day, or the Polish celebration Day or the Hispanic Celebration Day, what the fuck is that? I don't care if you are black, brown blue or whatever, you are now in America, pay your taxes and be one of us braking your ass in the factories, or in the fields or in the coal mines, like me, as a matter of fact, we have a lot of hard working Mexican working in the mines, and I talked to them about this and two of them became US citizen and one voted in the last elections, how about that? Another tax payer on board!!

[hitekredneck]

I do yeah. I think that's the last time we went over it. I'm sure theres a better one than that though. At one point we were having the same argument over two different threads, and I had to ask you to stop because you were frying my brain.:D

hell, ee, here's a list of threads where we've gone over the subject:
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=781
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=2037
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=1287
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=1295&page=2

think the horse is dead yet?...lmfaooo

[vulcan]

I am an equal fucking opportunity, I fucked so far all colors in my University. And believe me a cunt is a cunt.

[ballzack]

Vulcan,
As the P.C. crowd would say....

You are an equal opportunity Fucker, yes? :D:D;)

[vulcan]

Only with females I should say and clarify, I may sound and idiot saying but yes, from that point of view yes I am.