my thoughts on abortion [Archive]

freaknasty

08-17-2006, 11:37 AM

These are my opinions on the subject at hand. (I know opinions are like assholes in that everyone has one)

Abortion should be legal. To be honest it should be mandatory in some cases.. If a crack head that has a history of drug abuse and trouble in their life becomes pregnant abort the baby and spare the tax payers the burden. If a woman living on welfare and depending on the tax payers to support her and 4+ children comes up pregnant, Abort the thing. If they would take $ away from people on welfare who have 4 5 or more children this stupidity would stop. If a woman was raped and wishes to have an abortion allow it. If a couple just dont want children then allow them an abortion because I dont want my tax $ to pay for some bastard child to live their life in state custody. Children need a family and stability most foster homes just take on a temporary role for the extra $ they receive and could careless about the children.

have a nice day

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-17-2006, 11:53 AM

That is a completely selfish point of view to take on the subject. If everyone were completely sefish about everything, as you are advocating should happen, things in this country would be much worse than they currently are. Good morals tell you to give when you can, and help out others however possible. Supporting abortion helps select other people (those who want an abortion), much less than it hurts another select group of other people, (those being aborted).

Once more, this looking inward and giving consideration only to yourself as you are advocating here can only make things worse overall.

freaknasty

08-17-2006, 01:17 PM

So by me saying that abortion should be legal and mandatory in certain instances is selfish? I believe it is the other way around. Anyone who thinks they should be outlawed is selfish. Sure there are people who want to adopt children and these "aborted" babies could be their child to be. But if someone does not want the child they should have the choice to abort or not. Someone on welfare and having more kids to get more money. A: either should be forced to abort or B: should be sterilized..

If the baby is un-welcomed then why should it become a burdon on the state tax payers and government? Stop the problem before it starts.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-17-2006, 03:35 PM

So by me saying that abortion should be legal and mandatory in certain instances is selfish? I believe it is the other way around. Anyone who thinks they should be outlawed is selfish.

You are selfish not because you want to allow abortion, but for the reasons that you stated which you want to allow abortion. You're basically saying "kill anyone you don't want around you, as long as it's saving me money." I personally don't gain anything from abortion being outlawed, so there is no selfishness in my fight. I want abortion outlawed because I see it for what it is, killing a human who has done no wrong. If this intentional act is not wrong in your book, then you need to find some new literature to live by.

If the baby is un-welcomed then why should it become a burdon on the state tax payers and government? Stop the problem before it starts.

The baby is always welcomed, just not by everyone. If a poor uneducated man on welfare walked into my store, I have no right to tell him he can't buy anything because I think that he is unwelcome. He is only a burden on the state, tax payers, and government because he is living only off of welfare and not putting anything back in. But that doesn't give anybody any right to kill him. Human life is worth more than the taxes that you pay.

freaknasty

08-17-2006, 05:50 PM

I see what your saying on the issue. I will say that I dont agree with Partial birth abortions. I see it like this.. If a woman who is pregnant decides against having the baby for whatever reason and the "baby daddy" is on the same page as her then allow the abortion. If he is fighting against her wanting an abortion then she should have, and sign over all parental rights of, the child. If a crack addict that is on her 4th-5th kid is pregnant then they should be forced to have an abortion. The last thing society needs is another crack baby running up dr bills that the government pays. I dont know about you but I think that the money spent on unwanted/problem children would have helped alot more in a classroom educating the children here now.. I dont think it should be outlawed. It should be a persons choice. They should have the right to make the choice. I see it as preventing a hike in crime rate.. :)

beelzebub

08-17-2006, 06:12 PM

So by me saying that abortion should be legal and mandatory in certain instances is selfish? I believe it is the other way around. Anyone who thinks they should be outlawed is selfish. Sure there are people who want to adopt children and these "aborted" babies could be their child to be. But if someone does not want the child they should have the choice to abort or not.

I totally agree with you. Thanks for posting.

Someone on welfare and having more kids to get more money. A: either should be forced to abort or B: should be sterilized..

I totally disagree with you. I want people to have choice in their own bodies. This is forcing others to do what society wants them to do with thir bodies.(aka abortion).

If the baby is un-welcomed then why should it become a burdon on the state tax payers and government? Stop the problem before it starts.

I agree.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-17-2006, 06:58 PM

I see it as preventing a hike in crime rate.. :)

I suppose you'd argue to just execute every criminal convicted of a felony then as well. It's not likely that the extra money that we spend on trying to correct for their problem is ever going to be worth it to society, so stop spending the money and set 'em all in front of a firing squad. Hell! Let's make it a civilian firing squad. We'll be giving the NRA a new holiday!

freaknasty

08-18-2006, 11:53 AM

I suppose you'd argue to just execute every criminal convicted of a felony then as well. It's not likely that the extra money that we spend on trying to correct for their problem is ever going to be worth it to society, so stop spending the money and set 'em all in front of a firing squad. Hell! Let's make it a civilian firing squad. We'll be giving the NRA a new holiday!
By what you just stated here I gather that your one of the type who thinks nobody should be allowed to have a firearm.

On to the question at hand. No I dont think that every FELON should be executed. Just the convicted murderers and child molestors..

General Septem

08-18-2006, 12:17 PM

By what you just stated here I gather that your one of the type who thinks nobody should be allowed to have a firearm.

There's a difference between everyone having firearms to protect themselves and keep the government in check, than just going around and killing people.

freaknasty

08-18-2006, 04:46 PM

There's a difference between everyone having firearms to protect themselves and keep the government in check, than just going around and killing people.
show me where I said should be allowed to go around and kill others..

General Septem

08-18-2006, 04:47 PM

show me where I said should be allowed to go around and kill others..

Wherever you said people should be allowed to have abortions.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-18-2006, 05:48 PM

By what you just stated here I gather that your one of the type who thinks nobody should be allowed to have a firearm.

And here is proof of your inability to use sound logic. There's nothing wrong with firearms as long as they're used properly, such as to protect one's self or to feed one's self, or even to have fun shooting at targets. Abortion on the other hand cannot be "used properly." Abortion is done to kill humans. This is not proper. Someone who has committed no crime and has done no wrong has absolutely no justification in being executed. Yet you favor the execution of completely innocent human beings because you think the dollar difference in your yearly taxes is enough justification for it.

On to the question at hand. No I dont think that every FELON should be executed. Just the convicted murderers and child molestors..

So under which of these felonies does an unborn child fall? He definately hasn't murdered anyone, and couldn't possibly have molested a child unless there happens to be a twin in there with her.....

Ape-Shit

08-18-2006, 07:32 PM

Both of them.......!

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-18-2006, 07:45 PM

Well, Ape-shit, you must be talking about yourself as at least one of them. So since you're in favor of it, why don't you just kill yourself, then we'll be happy to take care of the other....

Ape-Shit

08-18-2006, 08:48 PM

I was talking about the Bastard who raped the girl and the Bastard fetus!

General Septem

08-18-2006, 08:50 PM

I was talking about the Bastard who raped the girl and the Bastard fetus!
Why, for good measure? I mean, fuck. Half the time they're not even going to catch the rapist, so more innocent unborn babies are going to get the death penalty than actual criminals.

freaknasty

08-19-2006, 10:39 AM

if your against abortion dont have one. Plane and simple. It is an option for people so they will chose what they will. Its one less child that will be unwanted in the world. POPULATION CONTROL

General Septem

08-19-2006, 12:23 PM

if your against abortion dont have one. Plane and simple. It is an option for people so they will chose what they will. Its one less child that will be unwanted in the world. POPULATION CONTROL

Well that all sounds fine and good when you abandon that whole logic, reasoning, and reality thing. Of course when you introduce those, then you start to realize that abortion's really not all that different from any other kind of murder. And if you have that mindset, you can see where I'm coming from.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-19-2006, 01:05 PM

Its one less child that will be unwanted in the world.

Wrong. It's one less child that an adopting family can love. In my understanding there are far more adoptive parents on the waiting list than babies subscribing to be adopted.

Ape-Shit

08-19-2006, 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=General Septem] abortion's really not all that different from any other kind of murder.

How can it be murder when it is legal?

Ape-Shit

08-19-2006, 07:37 PM

In my understanding there are far more adoptive parents on the waiting list than babies subscribing to be adopted.

You don't think that those adopting parents are not selective on the children they choose. You think that all children will be adopted? Oh, Yeah ! Right, No problem there. Hey kids, you don't have to worry about any mental, physical or other problems you may have. The world is open to you.

A child not being wanted and not being loved is a horrible thing which you may or may not conceive. To force this unwanted child on a family of which you have no knowledge of is completely ludicrous.

General Septem

08-19-2006, 07:46 PM

How can it be murder when it is legal?

The same way dogshit can smell bad yet still be left on sidewalks.

General Septem

08-19-2006, 07:47 PM

You don't think that those adopting parents are not selective on the children they choose. You think that all children will be adopted? Oh, Yeah ! Right, No problem there. Hey kids, you don't have to worry about any mental, physical or other problems you may have. The world is open to you.

A child not being wanted and not being loved is a horrible thing which you may or may not conceive. To force this unwanted child on a family of which you have no knowledge of is completely ludicrous.

Good point. Let's kill them instead.

Ape-Shit

08-19-2006, 11:39 PM

Good point. Let's kill them instead.
I'm with you on that one....! Kill the Bastards.

General Septem

08-19-2006, 11:44 PM

I'm with you on that one....! Kill the Bastards.

Yeah, killing someone is better for them than other things, like, say, letting them live.

Want more kool-aid? I hear they put some kind of special ingredient in it.

freaknasty

08-22-2006, 02:50 PM

what makes you the foremost authority on abortions? Who are you to tell suzy down the street, who slipped up after a night of drinking and ended up pregnant, that she cant go have an abortion to rid herself and the world of child that she nor the other person want.

General Septem

08-22-2006, 02:52 PM

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 03:30 PM

General Septem

08-22-2006, 03:36 PM

I don't know why you continue to voice your stupid opinion General, when the truth of the matter is: "IT IS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUISNESS"!

Why don't you go and eat another hamburger. Her name was Dazie...!

Can I reccomend therapy? I hear there are good facilities at Arkham.

Answer my question, do you eat meat, or are you just being a pain in the ass?

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-22-2006, 03:45 PM

I don't know why you continue to voice your stupid opinion General, when the truth of the matter is: "IT IS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUISNESS"!

You keep on repeating this same argument, but do you truly believe in it? To truly believe in anything you must support it under all circumstances. One circumstance of the "IT IS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS" argument is murder as it is currently defined by American law. Killing any person is nobody's business but those who are directly related to this person, by your philosophy. So, if a person who has nobody directly related to him is murdered, then we should not prosecute the person who committed the murder at all, because your argument, "IT IS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS," applies to everyone. Do you agree with this, or should you drop this argument?

Please respond with civility, understanding and reason, because you have not done so in the past, and the argument you are making has only lost credibility because of it.

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 04:41 PM

Please note that we are talking about MY Opinion.

My opinion is simple, it is the womans decision to do with whatever she so desires with her own body. It is NOT MURDER to have an abortion. If having an abortion (to her and in her mind) is in her and the fetus's best intress, so be it, that is her decision and she will have to live with it, not YOU!

That is my opinion. You also have the right to yours, however, don't try to shove your opinion on me when you can't understand the other side of the picture. Please, check out all the homeless children being born in the streets, not only in Buenos Aires, but other cities world wide as well.

It is also my opinion, that it is NOT your business as to if a woman decides to have or not have an abortion. Please let us be specific when we talk and not be pussy footing around and trying to put a spin on the subject. Currently, we are talking about MY OPINION, at which you should at least respect it or reject it.

Now with that said, I am saddened with the fact that very few women have came forward and voiced their opinion. Perhaps that would clear the air. Who knows? I could be wrong! But, that is my opinion.

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 04:46 PM

When you eat your eggs for breakfast, I hope the mother isn't watching you kill and eat her children!

General Septem

08-22-2006, 04:47 PM

RE: My opinion is simple, it is the womans decision to do with whatever she so desires with her own body.

It's not her body, and that's not an opinion. That's a fact, and it can be made excuses for, but it will never be her body. The fetus is merely attached to her body. It thinks for itself, however primitive this thought may be.

RE: Now with that said, I am saddened with the fact that very few women have came forward and voiced their opinion. Perhaps that would clear the air. Who knows? I could be wrong! But, that is my opinion.

Clear the air? Not likely. That's like asking murderers if they think murder is moral. Not that women are murderers, but abortion is every bit as much their choice as murder is for you or me.

rawsugar

08-22-2006, 04:50 PM

RE: Now with that said, I am saddened with the fact that very few women have came forward and voiced their opinion. Perhaps that would clear the air. Who knows? I could be wrong! But, that is my opinion.

Clear the air? Not likely. That's like asking murderers if they think murder is moral. Not that women are murderers, but abortion is every bit as much their choice as murder is for you or me.

A woman who has experienced pregnancy, or even a termination, might be able to give a perspective though. It is easy to cast blame when you have not had the experience. Although I'm female I personally have no more idea what it feels like to be in that situation than you do. I still have my own opinions though, as do we all.

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 08:18 PM

Cheers to you Rawsugar....!

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 08:21 PM

Go suck an egg General.....!

General Septem

08-22-2006, 08:22 PM

Cheers to you Rawsugar....!
First thing you've said that I agree with. For different reasons of course. She has an open mind, and she's not arrogant like you are. She doesn't just spout off some boorish mantra every time she doesn't feel like actually answering someone's question. You could learn from her.

Ape-Shit

08-22-2006, 08:28 PM

You know my opinion...! Sooooooo, go F_ _ _ yourself. Why beat a dead horse. Even the tin man understood what I was talking about, why not you?

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 12:14 AM

Please note that we are talking about MY Opinion.

My opinion is simple, it is the womans decision to do with whatever she so desires with her own body. It is NOT MURDER to have an abortion. If having an abortion (to her and in her mind) is in her and the fetus's best intress, so be it, that is her decision and she will have to live with it, not YOU!

But this does not address the situation that I posted. How is it different from the murder that I described? The only person that will have to live with this murder is the person who committed the murder, not anyone else. Or is it that you agree that a person who murders someone without any living persons who are affected by the murder a crime that should not be prosecuted?

That is my opinion. You also have the right to yours, however, don't try to shove your opinion on me when you can't understand the other side of the picture. Please, check out all the homeless children being born in the streets, not only in Buenos Aires, but other cities world wide as well.

But I do understand the other side, the problem is that I do not agree with it. Common logic says that something needs to change, because a living human is being killed. I am not trying to force my opinion on you any more than you are trying to force yours on me, I am simply trying to point out the falacies that I see in the argument of the opposition.

Ape-Shit

08-23-2006, 03:13 PM

But this does not address the situation that I posted. How is it different from the murder that I described?

Addressing your post. I believe that it is the Woman's Choise. Also, I believe that it is not murder. Abortions are legal!

Although,I do understand where you are coming from and respect your concerns sincerely. I feel strongly that it is the womans rights.

Common logic says that something needs to change, because a living human is being killed. I am not trying to force my opinion on you any more than you are trying to force yours on me, I am simply trying to point out the falacies that I see in the argument of the opposition.

The common logic as you stated is that of your opinion. A fetus is not human. I do however, agree on our own individual points of view. I see and understand your point of view, but do you understand mine?

Abortions are not pleasant and should only be conducted under certain circumstances. It is therefore, the right of the person involved to abort or not abort.

Food for thought! Please don't get upset, I am only trying to get a point across no harm or insult is intended.

Your mother is outside in the yard doing something. A pack of wild dogs comes along and attacks your mother. They pull a train on her if you will and your mother becomes pregnat. What do you do?

If your mother has the dog, everyone in your family will hate it. Your father will hate it, your mother will hate it and You will hate it. Everyday that passes the total family shows resentment towards this dog. Its not the dogs fault, its not your mom's fault, but look who suffers.....everyone, even the dog.

I am just trying to get a point across that is all.

Brains, you are a smart guy. Although you may not agree (and respectfully so) perhaps you can understand.

If your mother had an abortion instead of keeping the dog. Your family would have wounds, but would be able to get over them and still be a happy family.

Now with that said, all commits are welcome.

General Septem

08-23-2006, 04:06 PM

Your mother is outside in the yard doing something. A pack of wild dogs comes along and attacks your mother. They pull a train on her if you will and your mother becomes pregnat. What do you do?

That's scientifically impossible.

Also, dogs are not human beings and not subject to the same basic moral rights as human beings are. It is wrong to make an animal feel pain on purpose, but killing an animal is okay.

Ape-Shit

08-23-2006, 04:18 PM

That's scientifically impossible.

Also, dogs are not human beings and not subject to the same basic moral rights as human beings are. It is wrong to make an animal feel pain on purpose, but killing an animal is okay.

Any person or people who "Rape" another person are in fact "Dogs".

I hope you get it! If not, go kill another Cow or suck an egg or something.

General Septem

08-23-2006, 04:19 PM

Any person or people who "Rape" another person are in fact "Dogs".
Not genetically.

Ape-Shit

08-23-2006, 04:51 PM

What do You Think.....?

beelzebub

08-23-2006, 05:05 PM

Wrong. It's one less child that an adopting family can love. In my understanding there are far more adoptive parents on the waiting list than babies subscribing to be adopted.

Thats not true. Take it from me there are many more children than adpotive parents. I have been and I am currently in the adoptive process.

Now, that said,... there are not as many healthy newborns available. There aren't any white kids unless you are rich or know someone.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 05:16 PM

What do You Think.....?

Well, with the impossibility aside, we are still talking about rape. I have constantly said in my arguments that there ought to be certain overriding circumstances which would allow abortion. Rape is one of them. You can only bend a twig so far before it breaks. However, I still think that if a person conciously chose to have sex, then she also chose to take the chances of getting pregnant. She knew what she was getting into, she created a human being, and now she should allow it to be born.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 05:22 PM

Now, that said,... there are not as many healthy newborns available. There aren't any white kids unless you are rich or know someone.

What does it matter to you whether the child is white, black or Jewish? Can you only love a child enough if it is white? I'm surprised that a gay man with your personality would be racist against the children that he will adopt.

Who cares if it's healthy? Who are you to be that selective when you wouldn't even have the chance to have a child at all without this less than perfect child. You should count your blessings that you are even given a chance to adopt at all, these women could have just taken the easy way out that you fight for and aborted their children. Then you would not even have a hope of ever having a child.

beelzebub

08-23-2006, 05:22 PM

But I do understand the other side, the problem is that I do not agree with it. Common logic says that something needs to change, because a living human is being killed. I am not trying to force my opinion on you any more than you are trying to force yours on me, I am simply trying to point out the falacies that I see in the argument of the opposition.

You think that just because you see the fetus as another human being with all the rights and privileges as any other human that everyone has to or else they are illogical. That’s narrow minded and myopic. Rights and privileges are not logic they are simply a matter of ethics and whether we decide to give them to it or not.

You do want to force your opinion on others. We do not. We give others the choice to decide what they will do with their own body. I am saying that it is fine to not have an abortion for all the reasons that you have outlined. I say that it is also a persons right to have an abortion as well.

You continue to allude abortion to murder. It is not. It is a completely different situation, yet you persist. Its ridicules, anyone with common sense can see that the two are different. You ask us to explain why the two can occur and one is wrong and the other is not. I don’t know how to say it any differently: THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. We don’t see it that way.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 05:40 PM

You think that just because you see the fetus as another human being with all the rights and privileges as any other human that everyone has to or else they are illogical. That’s narrow minded and myopic. Rights and privileges are not logic they are simply a matter of ethics and whether we decide to give them to it or not.

You do want to force your opinion on others. We do not. We give others the choice to decide what they will do with their own body. I am saying that it is fine to not have an abortion for all the reasons that you have outlined. I say that it is also a persons right to have an abortion as well.

Let's stay on the logic side of the argument. Let's agree that we do not know which one of us is right. Now let's look at the outcome of what would happen with each circumstance:

1. You are right, and we make it okay for abortions. Nobody is hurt because it really isn't a human and should never have existed anyways.

2. You are right, but we make it illegal to have an abortion. Then some women are unjustly spending 9 months of their life to give birth to a child that should never have existed, and she receives some criticism but also some compliments because of it.

3. I am right, and we make it illegal to have an abortion. In this case, many more people are being given the chance to live that they deserve. The only people who are hurt are the ones who hurt themselves by knowingly taking the risks of having sex. But they are making changes to nine months of their lives to allow the person that they created to have an entire lifetime in exchange.

4. I am right, but we leave it legal for abortions. In this final case, many people are being executed without any just cause whatsoever. Countless lives are lost because people don't understand that abortions are wrong simply because they are legal. We end up losing people who would have otherwise made the world a better place.

So, since we don't know who is right, which outcomes are the worst? Arguably, the outcomes of leaving abortion legal are worse than those of making it illegal.

beelzebub

08-23-2006, 05:44 PM

What does it matter to you whether the child is white, black or Jewish? Can you only love a child enough if it is white? I'm surprised that a gay man with your personality would be racist against the children that he will adopt

Uhhhh. It doesn't matter to me at all. My child is mixed race.

I was just stating the facts.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 05:50 PM

Uhhhh. It doesn't matter to me at all. My child is mixed race.

I was just stating the facts.

Then why did you bring it up at all? It doesn't support any arguments in this thread. The point that you brought it up alluded to the fact that you don't want anything else.

beelzebub

08-23-2006, 05:51 PM

3. I am right, and we make it illegal to have an abortion. In this case, many more people are being given the chance to live that they deserve. The only people who are hurt are the ones who hurt themselves by knowingly taking the risks of having sex. But they are making changes to nine months of their lives to allow the person that they created to have an entire lifetime in exchange.

And you make choices for others concerning their body. It leads to all sorts of laws doing the same. The world becomes a controlling sad place to live in because of all the busybodies in your business.

4. I am right, but we leave it legal for abortions. In this final case, many people are being executed without any just cause whatsoever. Countless lives are lost because people don't understand that abortions are wrong simply because they are legal. We end up losing people who would have otherwise made the world a better place.

Yet so many people live that the world becomes overpopulated. The people who were having abortions were people who did not want to have a baby. Most were poor to begin with. Orphanages are overrun. Derelict children take over society causing financial collapse.

So, since we don't know who is right, which outcomes are the worst? Arguably, the outcomes of making abortion illegal are worse.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 05:58 PM

There will always be a percentage of people who fall into this lower category that you are arguing about. Making abortions illegal will not change the ratio at all, and the people who are not aborted because of the law will have just as good a chance as everyone else. I'm certain that a large majority of people would vote to be given a chance to succeed over being told that since some of us think they could never succeed we'll decide that their suffering will be ended before it can begin in the only way possible, death.

Ape-Shit

08-23-2006, 07:53 PM

Thanks for the reply reference the rape example. It was well taken and shows meritt upon your understanding.

While I addressed your question, I feel that no matter what, it should be the woman's choise. Direct question, agree or disagree?

Question 2. You do realize that abortion is legal. Yes or No?

Question 3. Do you feel that it is murder to destroy a fetus even though it has not developed into the stages of a human? Yes or No?

All of my answers to the above questions are yes. Yours may be different and thanks ok. It is how you feel that matters and I can respect that.

Now have you checked out the homeless children of Buenos Aires? Some of these children are actually born in the streets. Doesn't hurt to check it out.

http://www.feliceslosninos.org/en/obras/bsasciudad.html

I sincerely appreciate your feedback and once I have your direct responses I will respect your thoughts.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 10:11 PM

RE: While I addressed your question, I feel that no matter what, it should be the woman's choise. Direct question, agree or disagree?

Direct answer: Disagree. It is not the woman's body that is being destroyed, it is the child's. The child should be allowed to live at least until we can get an answer from him whether or not he wants to.

RE: Question 2. You do realize that abortion is legal. Yes or No?

Yes, that does not make it right.

RE: Question 3. Do you feel that it is murder to destroy a fetus even though it has not developed into the stages of a human? Yes or No?

Yes - however I believe that it is human upon conception, so our disagreement lies in what constitutes a human.

RE: Now have you checked out the homeless children of Buenos Aires? Some of these children are actually born in the streets. Doesn't hurt to check it out.

Let's not worry about children in these other countries. The problem is with the laws here in the U.S. where many more opportunities are provided to every child than to any of your Buenos Aires examples. Show me how horrible the bastard children in the U.S. have it.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-23-2006, 10:13 PM

Question 3. Do you feel that it is murder to destroy a fetus even though it has not developed into the stages of a human? Yes or No?

All of my answers to the above questions are yes. Yours may be different and thanks ok. It is how you feel that matters and I can respect that.

Are you sure that all of your answers are yes? It seems to me from the stance you've been taking that your answer to this Question 3 would be a resounding NO.

Ape-Shit

08-24-2006, 06:42 AM

Are you sure that all of your answers are yes? It seems to me from the stance you've been taking that your answer to this Question 3 would be a resounding NO.

Thanks for pointing that out Brains. You are correct, my answer on question 3 should have been NO.
That just goes to show you that humans make mistakes.

I am however, suprised that you didn't check out the children of Buenos Aires. That city was just an example. I am sure there are homeless children living in America as well.

Nevertheless, I respect your stance, although I dissagree with you on the issue of Abortion.

Brains_Behind_Operation

08-24-2006, 03:27 PM

I am however, suprised that you didn't check out the children of Buenos Aires. That city was just an example. I am sure there are homeless children living in America as well.

I've crossed over the Discovery channel plenty of times to know what you're talking about. I quickly looked at your website and didn't see aything so bad as what you've been harping about, but it was only a quick glance. Still, these children are not in the U.S., and the problem that I have with abortion is in this country. So this example of yours does nothing to tell how horrible the unaborted children have it here where I think the law needs to change.