This is Bull shit.

[vulcan]

If you want global warming come to Pennsylvania in the middle of winter, January 18, was so cold here my balls were frozen. And then you think this is just bull shit. Some other story from the fucking liberals to raise taxes.
Bill Clinton Fuck You!

[beelzebub]

If you want global warming come to Pennsylvania in the middle of winter, January 18, was so cold here my balls were frozen. And then you think this is just bull shit. Some other story from the fucking liberals to raise taxes. Bill Clinton Fuck You!

Once cold winter in PA does not refute global warming.

The Arctic on 19 September, the area covered by ice fell to 5.35 million sq km (2.01 million sq miles), the lowest recorded since 1978, when satellite records became available; it is now 20% less than the 1978-2000 average.

The Antarctic ice sheet is losing as much as 36 cubic miles of ice a year.

Look at the big picture.

[REPTILE]

Global Warming is real. Common Sense - gasses/heat emmited from all kinds of things (machinery, etc...), ozone depletion (UV rays entering violently), etc...

[General Septem]

I think global warming is hype, or maybe not all hype but a very good portion of it. I think it's actually somewhat arrogant of us to think us small beings can have such an effect on such a gigantic piece of rock.

[REPTILE]

Perhaps some of it is hype, but for the most part think of all the factories,automobiles, products containing CFC's & ozone depletion, pollution (most of this stuff may classify as pollution anyways lol), etc... all over the world. take cars for instance, all that carbon monoxide from cars. Also smoke released from plants and factories, other gasses and heat released from other things, all this has to have some kind of effect on our planet.

[beelzebub]

I think global warming is hype, or maybe not all hype but a very good portion of it. I think it's actually somewhat arrogant of us to think us small beings can have such an effect on such a gigantic piece of rock.

Before humans no organism put CO2 into the atmosphere. CO2 is known to trap radiation from the sun.

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis_mon/graphics/emis_mon_co2new.jpg

This is a graph of the amount of CO2 put into the atmosphere every month in the USA. It’s in teragrams. That’s being put into our atmosphere.

[General Septem]

Yeah, but what does it all mean? I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just saying it's hyped up a lot. Things like this are how the government likes to try and control people, too. Convincing people that they're causing global warming is like when Hitler convinced the German people that the Jews burned down that other building there, and offering that as proof that the Jews needed to be exterminated.

[REPTILE]

All I know is that I can feel the difference. Just a few years ago when I was a wee lad it would get SOMEWHAT cold in Miami, lol. Last couple of years tho Christmas might as well have been celebrated at the beach, its so damn hot a heat stroke's right around the corner. I mean it still gets a little chilly here during the winter, but thats just in the early hours and at night. from about 11:30am to 5:00pm its old fashioned Summer temp's.

[General Septem]

I think a lot of that is cyclical. Plus, we're still coming out of an Ice Age (by the technical definition of the term). We can expect it to get a little warmer as time goes on. All this talk about Greenland and Antarctica melting, it's supposed to happen. Big sheets of ice like that only exist during Ice Ages. And it's not going to happen for another thousand years, and so what if it does? The tides get a little higher, that's all.

Instead of yelling "the sky is falling", maybe people should start selling umbrellas, because whatever we end up doing, that son of a bitch is falling whether we like it or not, and all the research and all the action in the world isn't going to prevent it from eventually happening.

[REPTILE]

I understand your opinion, just that changes occur very slowly in such processes. In the last 3 to 4 years the weather has changed drastically!

[hkdbadreligion]

"Gonna sink with Kalifornjia, when it falls into the sea."

[beelzebub]

Plus, we're still coming out of an Ice Age (by the technical definition of the term). We can expect it to get a little warmer as time goes on.

We are coming out of a mini Ice Age not a major. Scientists believe that ice ages constitute most of the time that life has existed on earth.


All this talk about Greenland and Antarctica melting, it's supposed to happen. Big sheets of ice like that only exist during Ice Ages. And it's not going to happen for another thousand years, and so what if it does? The tides get a little higher, that's all.

A lot more happens when the water level rises than just the tide getting stronger.

Costal plains will become ocean (most world cities). = Mass emigration & Chaos

As the climate becomes warmer, grasslands become deserts (breadbasket of American & other countries). = Famine

As CO2 increases, oceans become more acidic. This will obliterate the organisms that cannot adapt (producers of the aquatic ecosystems). When this happens there will be a collapse of the entire ecosystem. It will recover in a few million years. = Global extinction spasm


Instead of yelling "the sky is falling", maybe people should start selling umbrellas, because whatever we end up doing, that son of a bitch is falling whether we like it or not,

Capitalism at its best.


…and all the research and all the action in the world isn't going to prevent it from eventually happening.

If we stop emitting greenhouse gases we could abate the process.

[General Septem]

We are coming out of a mini Ice Age not a major. Scientists believe that ice ages constitute most of the time that life has existed on earth.

I didn't say it was major. The point I'm trying to make is that the planet is going to get warmer just because we're coming out of an Ice Age.


Costal plains will become ocean (most world cities). = Mass emigration & Chaos

Mass emigration and chaos? You're acting like entire cities are going to be wiped out within a matter of weeks. Or even years or decades. This isn't some "LOLWTFBBQ! We need to get out of here, the tidal wave is coming111111!!!~". It's going to take hundreds of years for the tide to travel from, say, the edge of San Francisco all the way to its other border, and by then, they'll have just built further east.


As the climate becomes warmer, grasslands become deserts (breadbasket of American & other countries). = Famine

It's not going to warm up that much. I mean, we get 100-degree weather up here and it hasn't killed anything yet.


As CO2 increases, oceans become more acidic. This will obliterate the organisms that cannot adapt (producers of the aquatic ecosystems). When this happens there will be a collapse of the entire ecosystem. It will recover in a few million years. = Global extinction spasm

We'd have to pump an incredible amount of shit into the ocean to really make a difference. What are we talking, a million gallons? That's a drop in the bucket.


Capitalism at its best.

More like I'm being reasonable. I said "sell umbrellas", but the point wasn't the selling, it was the distribution.


If we stop emitting greenhouse gases we could abate the process.

I doubt it's that simple, and if you listen to most scientists, they'll probably say the same. Plus, even if it wasn't for us, the planet would be heating up anyway.

[beelzebub]

I didn't say it was major. The point I'm trying to make is that the planet is going to get warmer just because we're coming out of an Ice Age.

The point I am making is that it was short lived and changed dramatically in >100 years. That was a natural change... not man made. We are not changing the atmosphere and we don’t know all the consequences.


Mass emigration and chaos? You're acting like entire cities are going to be wiped out within a matter of weeks. Or even years or decades. This isn't some "LOLWTFBBQ! We need to get out of here, the tidal wave is coming111111!!!~". It's going to take hundreds of years for the tide to travel from, say, the edge of San Francisco all the way to its other border, and by then, they'll have just built further east.

I didn't say that it would be a matter of weeks but we don’t know how fast it could occur because this is a new event. We are pumping a shit load of CO2 into the atmosphere daily. When the globe warms up as a result and the Arctic & Antarctic ice melts it will cause a dramatic increase in se level and will flood those cities. Fast might be 80 years slow might be 100's of years

Flooding of the costal plain is not a unique event. It has happened in the past and faster than you might think. All over the world there are ancient shore lines where former beaches once stood. There are the boundaries between the coastal plains and the continental mainland. Now couple normal climatic changes with our effects and you may see massive changes in a short period of time.


It's not going to warm up that much. I mean, we get 100-degree weather up here and it hasn't killed anything yet.

You don’t know that. You are talking out your ass! All it takes is a 3 degree change in temperature to shift biomes. That’s all that separates grasslands from deserts as far as temperature. Furthermore; when the oceans are diluted with the ice it will kill many organisms that are the basis for the marine ecosystem and have implications for all other ecosystems. We know that there have been events such as this in the past. The last mass extinction happened in the Cambrian just 65 mya.

We are talking long term effects here not just a summer - don’t you get it?


We'd have to pump an incredible amount of shit into the ocean to really make a difference. What are we talking, a million gallons? That's a drop in the bucket.

We don’t have to pump shit into the ocean! We pump it into the air and it ends up into the ocean. CO2 forms carbonic acid when dissolved in water.


I doubt it's that simple, and if you listen to most scientists, they'll probably say the same. Plus, even if it wasn't for us, the planet would be heating up anyway.

That may or may not be true. We are no doubt contributing to the warming which may amplify the effect of global warming to the point of our own extinction. The planer HAS become warmer and cooler in cycles but we are adding KNOWN warming agents and we have witnessed major shifts in global climate as well as destruction of species.

Again... There are volumes of evidence to support this.

[General Septem]

That may or may not be true. We are no doubt contributing to the warming which may amplify the effect of global warming to the point of our own extinction. The planer HAS become warmer and cooler in cycles but we are adding KNOWN warming agents and we have witnessed major shifts in global climate as well as destruction of species.

Again... There are volumes of evidence to support this.

What about global dimming though? Just after 9/11, all the planes were grounded, and there was a notable global increase in temperature as a result. And that was only a few days. In spite of global warming, global dimming is keeping the planet from getting even hotter, and if we just cease all pollution, we're going to experience a vast increase in heat before any kind of decrease. I'm not saying there isn't anything that can't be done, but it's not so easy as to just stop producing greenhouse gasses.

As an interesting side note, even though we have more than enough power to put an end to this rather easily, America is doing probably the least when it comes to protecting the planet.

[freakazoid]

What about global dimming though? Just after 9/11, all the planes were grounded, and there was a notable global increase in temperature as a result. And that was only a few days. In spite of global warming, global dimming is keeping the planet from getting even hotter, and if we just cease all pollution, we're going to experience a vast increase in heat before any kind of decrease. I'm not saying there isn't anything that can't be done, but it's not so easy as to just stop producing greenhouse gasses.

As an interesting side note, even though we have more than enough power to put an end to this rather easily, America is doing probably the least when it comes to protecting the planet.

RE: "Just after 9/11, all the planes were grounded, and there was a notable global increase in temperature as a result."

Hey General, where did you get that info.? I would be interesting looking into it.

[General Septem]

RE: "Just after 9/11, all the planes were grounded, and there was a notable global increase in temperature as a result."

Hey General, where did you get that info.? I would be interesting looking into it.

I heard it from my dad, who in turn heard it from a documentary on the Science channel, but check these out:

http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/jetcontrailsrecentresearch.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

[assholius]

I heard it from my dad, who in turn heard it from a documentary on the Science channel,


I saw that documentary,it was pretty good.Another thing it mentioned was that by grounding civilian flights for one day,air quality got better by,if I remember correctly,13%,which leads me to believe at least when we do decide to start putting the brakes on polluting,it won't be too late to have an impact.

[beelzebub]

we're going to experience a vast increase in heat before any kind of decrease. I'm not saying there isn't anything that can't be done, but it's not so easy as to just stop producing greenhouse gasses.

The effect varies by location, but worldwide it is of the order of a 5% reduction over the three decades from 1960–1990. This trend has reversed during the past decade. Global dimming creates a cooling effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases on global warming. So we are not talking about a VAST increase. Furthermore; it’s masking the effects of Global warming. Therefore by virtue of using this in your argument you validate the position that global warming is caused by greenhouse gases.



As an interesting side note, even though we have more than enough power to put an end to this rather easily, America is doing probably the least when it comes to protecting the planet.

That’s true. The 1st world countries are the MAJOR consumers of fossil fuels and America leads the pack.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Oil_imports.PNG

[freakazoid]

A slightly smaller map would have been better, beelzebub. Just F.Y.I. for you, dude.

[beelzebub]

A slightly smaller map would have been better, beelzebub. Just F.Y.I. for you, dude.

I dont know. When I first posted it I thought the same thing and then I found it quite fitting. If it were smaller then it may have been more difficult to see the consumption of other countries.

[General Septem]

I dont know. When I first posted it I thought the same thing and then I found it quite fitting. If it were smaller then it may have been more difficult to see the consumption of other countries.
You mean there's other countries besides America? :D

[beelzebub]

You mean there's other countries besides America? :D

;) Yes,... besides America. It's a global problem not an American problem (eventhough we are the cause of most of it).

[hkdbadreligion]

The effect varies by location, but worldwide it is of the order of a 5% reduction over the three decades from 1960–1990. This trend has reversed during the past decade. Global dimming creates a cooling effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases on global warming. So we are not talking about a VAST increase. Furthermore; it’s masking the effects of Global warming. Therefore by virtue of using this in your argument you validate the position that global warming is caused by greenhouse gases.




That’s true. The 1st world countries are the MAJOR consumers of fossil fuels and America leads the pack.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Oil_imports.PNG
I dont like that this make includes the entire country for with it stands for. It should only highlight the areas of each country, with a reasonable radius around the area, that are the ones that use the most fossil fuels. Alaska wouldnt be so bloody.

[theicidal maniac]

The fact that anyone would argue that global warming is not happening illustrates their lack of knowledge on the subject. When Al Gore speaks, we must listen...he conceived our internet so that we could remain indoors when the polar bears take back what is rightfully theirs.
As far as "mass emigration and panic" understand that the tides won't rise and swallow New York and L.A. in 2 days. But even if it does, FEMA's got our backs.
Also you've clearly never visited the Alaskan bush if you think they wouldn't have red on their hands. Consider if you will that everything in that godforsaken region must be shipped in by plane, or by boat...because there are no roads connecting the towns in the tundra where I lived. Nevertheless, every Eskimo and every Gussak (white people) owns a truck, a car, 3 or 4 snowmobiles at least one four-wheeler and a boat. Gas was nearly $5/gallon when I left Bethel last year and we spent around $100 in gas every day on transport for my crew of four men. EVERYTHING is far away and requires lots of fuel. Every year the Yukon-Kuskokwim delta sees less salmon, smaller salmon, later freezes and earlier thaws, grossly fluxuating tides, and a mosquito problem that would make Africans run for shelter. As we all know, mosquitos breed in water...melted ice caps people...mixed with the mosquito's filthy seed

[General Septem]

FEMA's got our backs.
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[REPTILE]

FEMA:

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FEMA Evacuation Plan:

Run Motherfucker, Run!

[Richard Lizard]

Every goddam glacier on the planet has been documented as melting. The fucking polar icecaps are melting. Cold weather species are dying. Fuck Pennsylvania winters. You goddamned humans have fouled the air, turned the rivers to shit, raped the land, polluted the oceans. You have already wiped out countless species beginning before your pitiful recorded history. You are right. Your little bullshit planet means nothing to god. In the scheme of the universe it is nothing, unless of course you are a stupid fucking human. You will die. Every goddam one of you is going to die. There is no heaven no hell no eternity for you. Humanity will soon be nothing. Nothing but atoms

[thememan]

If you want global warming come to Pennsylvania in the middle of winter, January 18, was so cold here my balls were frozen. And then you think this is just bull shit. Some other story from the fucking liberals to raise taxes.
Bill Clinton Fuck You!

Alright, let's explain a few things about Global Warming.

Global Warming refers to the Average Increase in temerature across the entire planet. Not just certain areas, but the entire planet. For the most part, the most of the world will not see an increase in temperature, at least not a large one. However, the Poles have had a massive increase in temperature, which is the real problem. For instance, many like to claim that one degree of difference is nothing at all, however they do not take into account that it does not affect the world uniformly, instead having the most effect at the poles. In turn, this IS causing the Glaciers to melt, which in turn causes the ocean levels to rise. This will have drastic events on the climate in the world, disrupting the everything from water levels, to ocean currents, to possibly even jet streams. In turn, this will cause a drastic change in the climate of certain areas, one way or the other. So, some places will actually get colder due to Global Warming. This may seem counter intuitive, but once one understands the actual effects of Global Warming, in makes perfect sense.

Now, with that being said, I'd like to say something else about Global Warming:

It is a naturally occurring event. Our world goes through periods of cooling and warming on a fairly regular basis. There is no way to stop the process from happening, it is going to happen.

However, that does not mean we do not have an effect on Global Warming. To say otherwise is to shield yourself from the facts. We are releasing Greenhouse gases into the atmosphere at massive rates, which in turn would mean that we are effecting the rate of Global Warming. How much we are increasing the rate, and how or even if we can slow it down are rather mysterious, however. About the only thing one can say is that it is happening this time about at a remarkably fast rate, which is highly likely due to human involvement.

That's about it, I suppose.

[MrBirdy]

I would like to point out, that a cold day in the middle of the year doesnt mean there is no "global warming"

First off, come visit Reno NV a few years ago the record for summer wather was 98*F, that was in the early 80's and late 90's, our current record is 102*F, that is definetaly higher temperature.

Also, the tax increase would be very small, and only for car manufacturers, such as FORD and CHEVY. and the "TAX" would only be a fine, should they not comply with these new laws, and these laws would only requier a 10% pollution cut-down. They would also requier that 20% of their cars would be either Hybrids, or gas savers.

And to conclude your attack at William Clinton, I think that this "WAR" we are in, has increased are taxes more, in one presidential term, then the clinton administration did in 2 terms.

[General Septem]

It's not a degree or two, it's 1/2 degree over the past hundred years. And it's not just taxes from the liberals that concern me, it's the fact that the government is trying to use it to control us, claiming that things we're doing are contributing to global warming. Oh shit we're destroying the planet, better hand all power over to the government so they can fix it. After all, if billions of people need to be killed to save the planet, there's going to be a group of psychotic envorinmentalists that are going to push for it, and the government is going to make everyone think it's a good idea. After all, it's easier to control a smaller group of people than a bigger one.

[thememan]

It's not a degree or two, it's 1/2 degree over the past hundred years. And it's not just taxes from the liberals that concern me, it's the fact that the government is trying to use it to control us, claiming that things we're doing are contributing to global warming. Oh shit we're destroying the planet, better hand all power over to the government so they can fix it. After all, if billions of people need to be killed to save the planet, there's going to be a group of psychotic envorinmentalists that are going to push for it, and the government is going to make everyone think it's a good idea. After all, it's easier to control a smaller group of people than a bigger one.

Aye, you forget that that is 1/2 degree over the entire world. The most drastic effects are in the poles, which is the real problem. The effects will be quite problematic over the entire world in time.

HOWEVER the answer is not just go about throwing money at the issue. This is just as irresponsible as those whom spew out massive amounts of carbon emissions. Careful and conscious efforts must be made so that the effects are kept minimal. Many "Environmentalists"(Whom are rather dilusional at times, and sometimes rather anti-environmentalists) ignore the actual facts, and spew out emotional garbage to rally for their cause, and are often ignorant of what they talk about. It does, at times, make me ashamed to league myself in as an Environmentalist, however I would be more of a "Conservative Environmentalist". Yes, there is such a thing, and I hate the "Hyppie Environmentalists" with a passion, as they are actually far more harmful to environmentalism than almost anyone else.

[twisted_screams]

I work at a video store and we have to watch the movies a few days before they come out to the public> Al Gore has a new one out about global warming and how its affecting the weather. I am not sure if i believe one way or another but the weather i would say in the last 12 years has been really weird. I think maybe its just the normal cycles that the earth goes threw kind of like a snake shedding its skin. I remember reading some where not to long ago about the hole in the ozone layer that some scienctist believe that there has always been a hole there to allow the earth to breath. Either way ill end up buying a more ecomicly sound car eventually not because of the earth and the weather but because itll probably cheaper to run.

[thememan]

I work at a video store and we have to watch the movies a few days before they come out to the public> Al Gore has a new one out about global warming and how its affecting the weather. I am not sure if i believe one way or another but the weather i would say in the last 12 years has been really weird. I think maybe its just the normal cycles that the earth goes threw kind of like a snake shedding its skin. I remember reading some where not to long ago about the hole in the ozone layer that some scienctist believe that there has always been a hole there to allow the earth to breath. Either way ill end up buying a more ecomicly sound car eventually not because of the earth and the weather but because itll probably cheaper to run.

Well, it is a normal cycle, and anyone who tells you otherwise have no idea what they are talking about, really. Just as those whom say it is not happening at all. The thing is, though, that it is happening rather quickly for a global event, which usually takes much longer than it is happening now. There is evidence that human activity is playing a role in Global Warming, however the extent to which is really unknown. Obviously, it was happening to begin with, but with such a quick shift, it is quite startling. We really do need to put measures into place so as to minimize the effect, as really there is nothing to do to stop it, and this is largely so that we won't be devasted completely by the effects, but it is a serious problem, that needs serious solutions, and quite frankly most of the so-called environmentalists are full of emotional hype and bull. Unfortunately, actual environmentalists often get bundled in with these people, and are often overshadowed by them, such as myself, when in actuality they are quite reasonable.

As for getting an efficient car, that is a good thing. Oil is not a renewable resource, and prices are only going to get higher(Recent drops are due largely in gasoline prices are due to the winter season, and it's low tourism rate, trust me, next summer they will reach record highs again). Also, fuel efficient cars are more environmentally friendly, to boot. So really, from a conservational, economical, and environmental standing, Fuel efficient vehicles are the best way to go.

[Ausinus]

Im glad someone has the intelligence to say it.:D

[who897]

Global Warming my ass, we just had record cold spells here in NOV, some 61" of snow. I guess if you don't like the heat move to AK, it's colder then a witches tit.

[thememan]

Global Warming my ass, we just had record cold spells here in NOV, some 61" of snow. I guess if you don't like the heat move to AK, it's colder then a witches tit.

Like I said-Global Warming doesn't mean that everywhere is getting warmer. Just the average temperature. The most drastic warming is at the poles. It is causing the glaciers to melt, which in turn means sea levels are raising, which in turn means that the ocean currents are screwed up. More liquid water=more water vapor, which in turn means screwed up air streams. Which, in turn, means the climate changes. Which means that some places get warmer, whereas other will get colder. If you don't know how global warming works, you have no place to say anything about, nor make statements such as "Global Warming my ass".

Seriously, learn something.

[who897]

Like I said-Global Warming doesn't mean that everywhere is getting warmer. Just the average temperature. The most drastic warming is at the poles. It is causing the glaciers to melt, which in turn means sea levels are raising, which in turn means that the ocean currents are screwed up. More liquid water=more water vapor, which in turn means screwed up air streams. Which, in turn, means the climate changes. Which means that some places get warmer, whereas other will get colder. If you don't know how global warming works, you have no place to say anything about, nor make statements such as "Global Warming my ass".

Seriously, learn something.

I do have a place to say just about anything I wish. Go under the political forum bub. Apparently you don't know a joke when ya see one though, or you like to be a prick about things, who knows.

Any hoot, I hope those glaciers melt a bit faster. That'll mean my house that's 20 miles from the coast will become pretty good beach property. So, I support Drag Racing .5 gallons to the mile WOO HOO, and NASCAR who cares bout gas milage when you only end up in the same place you started 2 hrs ago.

[theicidal maniac]

Dude, septum, the difference between our current global climate and that of the previous ice age is less than 5 degrees!

[General Septem]

Dude, septum, the difference between our current global climate and that of the previous ice age is less than 5 degrees!
Seeing as how we're coming out of an ice age it's expected it would warm up a bit.

I'm not saying the ice isn't all going to melt, I'm saying it's doing it naturally.

[Ausinus]

Support Nuclear Power!!

[thememan]

Dude, septum, the difference between our current global climate and that of the previous ice age is less than 5 degrees!

5 Degrees is more than you think, bub. Esecially considering that the poles are where the largest temperature change occurs. 5 degrees worldwide could mean 20 or more degrees at the poles.





Seeing as how we're coming out of an ice age it's expected it would warm up a bit.

I'm not saying the ice isn't all going to melt, I'm saying it's doing it naturally.


That is indeed true, however the main problem is that it appears that it is happening quite a bit faster than it should. We should take measures to reduce human effect on it, and also take measures to ensure that we don't face major problems that will devastate the economy(Of course, we will be able to fix many problems we face later, however, having a plan in place will reduce the time in which we need to adapt, and reduce overall effects).



Support Nuclear Power!!


Nuclear power is great. However, there are two major problems:

1. Cost. The cost to build a Nuclear Plant is massive, and puts many investors off, as you won't see a profit for a very long time.

2. Public ignorance. People automatically associate such things as Chernobyl and the "dangerous" effects of Nuclear power with Nuclear Power plants. Of course, any body who has knowledge of the issue understands that Nuclear Power is pretty damn safe, and the chances of problems arising minimal at best, to the point of being non-existant. Of course, people are easily bought by over-hyped "bad news" of Nuclear Power, than actual reality, but heh. People, as a whole, are ignorant as hell.

[Ausinus]

I agree. In the entire history of nuclear power there have only been two major incidents.

1. Chernobyl
2. Three mile island

People suck.

[thememan]

I agree. In the entire history of nuclear power there have only been two major incidents.

1. Chernobyl
2. Three mile island

People suck.

I don't know much about Three Mile Island, but I know a great deal about Chernobyl. The entire thing can be summed up by this:

It was a one in a million chance, where a worker forgot to throw a switch, the automatic device that was supposed to flip the switch incase of human error failed, the guy who was supposed to be paying attention to the safety device wasn't, the system that was put into place as a safety system for the safety system incase the guy who was supposed to check the system didn't failed, the safety system for that safety system failed, and the people who were supposed to be checking this safety system didn't.

Basically, a massive accumulation of human and computer error, which was so incredibly improbable, it is near impossibility.

[Ausinus]

Plus the plant was in EXTREMELY poor condition.

[thememan]

Plus the plant was in EXTREMELY poor condition.

Indeed. With good maintenance, Nuclear Power plants are about as safe as safe can get.

[Ausinus]

Imagine a world run off nuclear power. It would be so much cleaner.

[ballzack]

We don't know what we don't know, unless any of us has been around for, oh, about 10,000,000 years and could really give an account of NORMAL warming and cooling trends over EONS.

MAYBE, the earth is an elliptical orbit around the sun, not a circular one. Growing slightly closer, then slightly further away in orbit over hundreds, or thousands of years. Maybe it is a factor of the earth's rotation and wobble combined with who knows what. It could be solar activity trends combined with yet unknown sources. Maybe the sun is ready to super NOVA ! :eek:

Recent Sudden changes? Can you prove that there have never before been unforseen, unknown and wild changes in climate? Let's make it easy. Prove that there have not been any wierd and unforseen weather phenomina for the last million years.

Thought I read somewhere that scientists now say 'MARS IS ALSO WARMIMG!!!" This is important to whom and for what reason?
Holy Crap! Better get an expidition together, spend about 200 Trillion dollars, and get them up there to study that! Must be some wierd reaction to the Earth's global warming! :D Maybe we're effecting MARS too!
Maybe Venus is COOLING!!?? Better study that as well. The human race may need to relocate there in 100,000 years when the Earth is too warm to live on. What's another 500 Trillion to research the potential cooling of Venus over the next Mellenium?

I SERIOUSLY doubt that GLOBAL WARMING is caused by the miniscule activity of human beings. We're a pimple on the butt of a flea as far as the Earth is concerned.

Now, if I wanted to raise money for whatever reason to study this? Best and most efficient way is to hype it. Gloom and doom sells! They're doing a good job hyping this, that's for sure. Want to start a fight? Mention that global warming is Bullshit to a hard core global warming advocate. It's as hot a topic as abortion and just as passionate to some.

Me? I have more important things to worry about, like, how I'm going to get a nice canister of FREON for my older Classic Auto Import that can't run the new freaking higher operating pressures of the R34 substitute and because of the bullshit hole in the ozone crap... I can't get FREON! I'll wear a short sleeve shirt and shorts while I drive around without AC. It's getting warm out.

[General Septem]

MAYBE, the earth is an elliptical orbit around the sun, not a circular one.

For the most part, I agree with the rest of your post, so I won't bother quoting it, but an elliptical orbit would have the earth moving closer to the sun and further away every revolution around the sun, which it does. An elliptical orbit doesn't describe an orbit that gets bigger and smaller over thousands of years, which to the best of my knowledge has never been observed.

Personally, I think the climate is changing, but whether or not we're the cause of it really does not matter. I also don't think it's any more catastrophic than the end of any other ice age in the earth's history.

That's not to say that there's not pollution in the atmosphere, but that is only a relatively temporary and manageable effect. The eruption of Mt. St. Helens spewed a haze into the atmosphere that was visible on the other side of the country. It went away when the eruption ceased. This is because pollution is a hell of a lot denser than the air around it, and will fall out of the air relatively quickly. It also means that the pollution released by a volcano is a lot more than that released by the entire world, as I've yet to hear about air quality reports given in the country.

Our atmosphere is incredibly huge and relatively light. The shit we spew into it isn't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things, and I guarantee that if the city of San Francisco shut down for a month, the air there would be as clean as a mountain breeze.

[WhiteRaven]

"Recent Sudden changes? Can you prove that there have never before been unforseen, unknown and wild changes in climate? Let's make it easy. Prove that there have not been any wierd and unforseen weather phenomina for the last million years. "

...There have been, but the burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim.

"It was a one in a million chance, where a worker forgot to throw a switch, the automatic device that was supposed to flip the switch incase of human error failed, the guy who was supposed to be paying attention to the safety device wasn't, the system that was put into place as a safety system for the safety system incase the guy who was supposed to check the system didn't failed, the safety system for that safety system failed, and the people who were supposed to be checking this safety system didn't.

Basically, a massive accumulation of human and computer error, which was so incredibly improbable, it is near impossibility."

Sounds about as likely as me getting hit on the head by a meteor tomorrow at exactly 1:11 pm, without me being injured...

as to 3 mile Island:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html

[ballzack]

Interesting.

My bottom line for me is: Global Warming is nothing we can, nor should be concerned with. There are more important and more immediate issues we CAN effect that would benefit by our attention. If our Earth really is "Warming", then this is a natural function of our Earth. The debate this discussion spurs is unreal. Ever get into a face-to-face with someone whom has drunk the Kool Aid on this one?

I got in to a very serious argument with my Administrative Assistant (notice the politically correct title).

She asked me, so I told her I thought Global Warming was another gloom and doom hype.

She went ballistic. Threatened to quit. Stated that it was people like me that were ruining the planet and that her grandchildren would not have a place to live because of my activity.

Good grief. The hype is definately firmly in place! And to be willing to give up your income for this hype to me is insane.

It is getting harder to earn a living in this economy. Maybe I can jump on the global warming bandwagon and collect some of that public teet money that's streaming out there to study this. Since Al Gore invented the internet, it should be easy for him to solve global warming. Given enough money, that is. ;)

Maybe if we all open our refrigerators at the same time? :D

[WhiteRaven]

Actually, when you open the fridge door, the overall temperature becomes greater due to entropy.