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MrJim
03-06-2009, 09:03 AM
In my opinion, schools should offer more social development classes. It is imperative that we have enhanced social skills in order to land that perfect job. Regardless of the level of education, positive social interaction helps cosideration with everything from job interviews to customer relations.

Carrot
03-06-2009, 09:05 AM
One would hope that the act of going to a good school would be enough to learn how to interact with people suitably.

MrJim
03-06-2009, 09:14 AM
One would hope that the act of going to a good school would be enough to learn how to interact with people suitably.

Not exactly. There are probably millions of high school graduates who ar every intelligent but don't interview well because they are so far behind on a social level. Think "nerds" :D. What I'm advocating is a communication skills class.

Montanarchist
03-06-2009, 11:10 AM
Social skills is one of the very few last things that we still expect people to learn and uphold by themselves without any "support" from government.

I would like to keep it like that.

MrJim
03-06-2009, 11:30 AM
Hrmmm.... was the idea a little too radical ?:confused:

Montanarchist
03-06-2009, 11:39 AM
No, I think the idea is good, but that doesn't say it should be implemented by the state.

As an optional class provided by schools, maybe.

MrJim
03-06-2009, 11:46 AM
As an optional class provided by schools, maybe.

I was talking 'optional', actually, that's why I used the word 'offer'. Really what it boils down to is the fact that a prospective employer would probably fart at someone's knowledge of Napolean or negative ions, but would almost certainly consider a candidate who is personable enough to relate to customers. So in the real world most education is pretty useless unless it involves some specialized skills or knowledge. So why wouldn't someone want to take advantage of such an offering? They'll just end up in workshops later anyway.

ballzack
03-06-2009, 01:06 PM
In my opinion, schools should offer more social development classes. It is imperative that we have enhanced social skills in order to land that perfect job. Regardless of the level of education, positive social interaction helps cosideration with everything from job interviews to customer relations.

Fine idea, Jimbo.

The libs are gonna hate this!

What I'd ALSO love to see is any classes that teach entrepreneurial spirit. Hire guys like me that actually DID IT and teach how to develop an idea, create a business, develop the business, make it flourish, and BUILD WEALTH!
Yes, I said BUILD WEALTH.

Oh, the HORROR, the HORROR! :D

MrJim
03-06-2009, 01:16 PM
Fine idea, Jimbo.

The libs are gonna hate this!

What I'd ALSO love to see is any classes that teach entrepreneurial spirit. Hire guys like me that actually DID IT and teach how to develop an idea, create a business, develop the business, make it flourish, and BUILD WEALTH!
Yes, I said BUILD WEALTH.

Oh, the HORROR, the HORROR! :D

You said it. After all, schools offer all kinds of pointless electives ... why not something that helps in the real world without the costly tuition? I mean, what good is (career-wise) learning Japanese or how to play the oboe if one is never going into a field that uses it?

Of course college can be useful for this purpose, but it is not *ALWAYS* necessary.

Carrot
03-06-2009, 01:48 PM
Not exactly. There are probably millions of high school graduates who ar every intelligent but don't interview well because they are so far behind on a social level. Think "nerds" :D. What I'm advocating is a communication skills class.

Hahaha.

Sorry, but don't you think "nerds" have it bad enough?

How do you think other kids will react when they find out Eugine is taking classes in how to act normally? Full of understanding?

MrJim
03-06-2009, 01:55 PM
Sorry, but don't you think "nerds" have it bad enough?

How do you think other kids will react when they find out Eugine is taking classes in how to act normally? Full of understanding?

Now now ... it's a development class, not a class that pushes 'Pimples' to find a date to the prom. :D Anything that teaches students how to compete in the business world is a good thing.

microman
03-06-2009, 02:20 PM
I probably have a very small school on the scale and we still offer programs like such.

ballzack
03-06-2009, 02:22 PM
You said it. After all, schools offer all kinds of pointless electives ... why not something that helps in the real world without the costly tuition? I mean, what good is (career-wise) learning Japanese or how to play the oboe if one is never going into a field that uses it?

Of course college can be useful for this purpose, but it is not *ALWAYS* necessary.

Love the scene in "Back to School" where Dangerfield tells the professor HOW IT REALLY IS in business and the palms that need greasing, the permits you have to scrounge up, and on it goes.
Business is a large chess game.
If you know the moves, you win.

And if a guy can teach you the ACTUAL MOVES (not just the theory) you'll be way ahead of the game.

Rise Up
03-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Fine idea, Jimbo.

The libs are gonna hate this!

What I'd ALSO love to see is any classes that teach entrepreneurial spirit. Hire guys like me that actually DID IT and teach how to develop an idea, create a business, develop the business, make it flourish, and BUILD WEALTH!
Yes, I said BUILD WEALTH.

Oh, the HORROR, the HORROR! :D

Well the government might not let you do it in schools.....but you could teach me and Baron!! :D
But that sounds good. Both ideas do. Especially since I did not so good in an interview for the Skills USA competition at my school. 2nd place out of 5 people. Not that good.

Xilmwa
03-06-2009, 04:50 PM
The error I find in your idea is the simple fact which I know from experience; forcing a highly intelligent person to communicate on the level of the masses lowers the intelligence of said person, if only by a minute amount.

I, personally, would encourage any with a high intelligence to evade society, for the intelligent person is a helium-filled balloon while society is the string which ties them to the earth.

Montanarchist
03-06-2009, 04:54 PM
The libs are gonna hate this!

That was actually the problem I had with the idea.

Who do you think wouldn't take the opportunity to throw in a little bit extra indoctrination in our schools?

General Septem
03-08-2009, 09:17 AM
Warren Buffett took a "Dale Carnegie course" and won an award for demonstrating "the art of making friends and influencing people". The course was so important to him that he actually proposed to his wife in that course. He knew that being a master of communication was crucial in the business world.

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the more bullshit course requirements like "diversity studies" and "sensitivity development" which have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MOST MAJORS WHATSOEVER get dropped in favor of a Dale Carnegie course.

I think I have Carnegie's book in e-book format around here somewhere, I really should read that.