Where ohh where is Santa Claus

[who897]

I believe in santa claus, I believe in the tooth fairy, I believe in the Easter bunny, I believe in the boogey man. Yet I don't believe in your god or anyone else's for that matter. Weird.

[REPTILE]

Yup, weird indeed. Oh well, some day you'll eat your words.

[bladze420]

I have to agree with who. I believe in all of that stuff, simply because America has turned it into a Hallmark holiday. It lost it's religious meaning long ago. I don't believe in any God, and I won't eat my words. I will eat dirt.

[General Septem]

It lost it's religious meaning long ago.

No, it was hijacked long ago. The religious meaning is still there; atheists just refuse not to celebrate Christmas because it's an excuse for them to get free shit and time off work. Can't say I blame them, why be strong in your convictions when it's convenient not to be?

[who897]

I don't celebrate any of that stuff. I just take the time off of work. Unless I got duty, or I'll take it for the married folks, so I can get New Years off, or one of the party holidays.

[bladze420]

No, it was hijacked long ago. The religious meaning is still there; atheists just refuse not to celebrate Christmas because it's an excuse for them to get free shit and time off work. Can't say I blame them, why be strong in your convictions when it's convenient not to be?

Well, that's a great way to look at it. Maybe I was raised with Christmas just being Christmas. Not about getting shit, but about giving. Not about some story of a guy on a cross, or church, but family. More along the lines of caring for your fellow man. So I do stand by my convictions. If I happen to get something from someone that cares about me, thats great! If not, I will still go to bed knowing that I put a smile on someones face. I love your broad generalization of atheists though, that's really nice. Isn't that the same as saying all black people look alike, or all asians are smart? When was the last time every christian gave up something for lent, you know, convictions and all. How about going to church every sunday? Never swearing, never thinking bad thoughts. I get lumped with everyone, sight unseen. I guess everyone else does too, right? Just asking.

[General Septem]

Well, that's a great way to look at it. Maybe I was raised with Christmas just being Christmas. Not about getting shit, but about giving. More along the lines of caring for your fellow man. So I do stand by my convictions. If I happen to get something from someone that cares about me, thats great! If not, I will still go to bed knowing that I put a smile on someones face. I love your broad generalization of atheists though, that's really nice. Isn't that the same as saying all black people look alike, or all asians are smart? Just asking.

If Christmas is about giving for you, then God is not entirely abscent. ;)

[bladze420]

If Christmas is about giving for you, then God is not entirely abscent. ;)

Ha! What does that mean? Just because it was dubbed a spiritual day means that you have to attach god onto it somehow? The only difference between Christmas and any other day is that on Christmas, I give material good. I give something to someone EVERY day of my life, and believe me when I say, it has nothing to do with god. But, you can't understand that. To you, a sunrise is all gods work. It has nothing to do with the atmosphere and the sun. I pity you, I really do. You will go through your life living it half assed, thinking that you have this wonderful afterlife to go to. You will limit yourself (I do to, within the confines of the law, that's a whole different matter) so you can go to heaven. Check this out. I live every day like its my last. Why? Because it very well could be. And I have nothing to look forward to after. Now, this is where you tell me that you pity me, because I will rot in hell. I will rot in *dirt*. It is what it is. Want to know what the sonofabitch about all of this is? Take random guy. Atheist. Doesn't live his life by anyones rules but his own. Rapes, kills, steals, does basically the most horrible things anyone can do, all his life. He gets caught, kills a few more people in prison, just cause hes bored. As hes walking down the hall to the chair, whoops, random guy accepts jesus and says "I believe", like tinkerbell in peter pan. Guess who is shacking up with you in your eternal paradise? Looks to me like he got the best of both worlds. Of course, that is all based on the belief in the whole god thing...but i dont buy it.

And, now the wonderful passage that everyone loves, has stuck on their car, and posted on billboards:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Come on. What did he give:confused: ? Based on the religion:
1. jesus was in heaven, would die, and return to heaven
2. god is infinite years old
3. that basically makes the 30 some odd years of his life insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 30ish years out of infinity years isnt that long.

Look how much he loves the world, how much he really gave up for you. Ha!:D

[General Septem]

Your post was a little tl;dr, but I got the gist of it and I get the impression you're unclear as to how God can be present in the actions of one who does not believe in Him. The answer is simple: God is present in any act of giving, just as love and generosity are present, because God /is/ love and generosity, among many many other things.

You may think Jesus's sacrifice was no big deal, but would you have been able to go through with it? Jesus was human too, remember. Like us in all things but sin.

[bladze420]

Your post was a little tl;dr, but I got the gist of it and I get the impression you're unclear as to how God can be present in the actions of one who does not believe in Him. The answer is simple: God is present in any act of giving, just as love and generosity are present, because God /is/ love and generosity, among many many other things.

You may think Jesus's sacrifice was no big deal, but would you have been able to go through with it? Jesus was human too, remember. Like us in all things but sin.

Thats what I love about the devout. They can take anything and hide it behind blind faith. I'm not unclear about anything, it's just not how it works. I am kind/generous/loving because I am. It is just me, there is no god present.

The sacrifice of jesus, huh? Well, in theory, it sounds good. If your way is right, and he came from heaven, he knew he was going back, sure, thats not that tough. Mind your P's and Q's, and you can do it.

[freakazoid]

I believe in santa claus, I believe in the tooth fairy, I believe in the Easter bunny, I believe in the boogey man. Yet I don't believe in your god or anyone else's for that matter. Weird.

We don't believe in you. :D

[who897]

What about all the people that gave their life for you? Why are they not celebrated. The people that are well documented, the people that actually lived, the people that actually did something? The people that actually died.....You guys celebrate Jesus, I say if he was alive, fuck him and the horse he rode in on. The true people, the people we should rever are those that lost thier lives defending this great nation, those that when push came to shove, pushed back, stood up and said, fuck you our feedom is worth dying for. Your religion, anyone's relgion does discrace on them, by idly worshiping a god, a figmint of your imagination, when the real things that deserve "ALL" of your praise and all of your worship have fallen, and are yet to fall. I quote, "one of a nations greatest natural resources are it's soldiers" (and sailors). Without us where would you be. You make me sick!

[REPTILE]

Who says that we've forgotten those who have died for freedom. I believe in God, I've felt his presence, I love Jesus and I also love and respect those that have died, what do you have to say about that? You may label my beliefs as "blind faith", I think your blind ignorance with a blind soul.

[Ape-Shit]

I gota go along with bladze 420 and Who 897. The Gods have shown me nothing. In my opinion, the only reason for a God is to make it easier for those who believe in one to depart this earth peacefully. Also, as a shield for someone to hide behind when they have committed a wrong.

Truth of the matter is, Today you live in your so called Heaven, Tomorrow is when you enter your so called Hell. Yes, we are all going to Hell, eternal darkness.

However, I don't knock those who believe otherwise. I do knock those who constantly try to push their ideas and beliefs onto others and myself.

ps: There is no such thing as a "Born Again".

[who897]

LOL, born again, isn't that where you come out, and are like, ohhh hell no and scramble your ass back up that vagina, then they do a C section to get your ass out?

[bladze420]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think religion is a bad thing, I think it was a good idea. 2000 years ago, some people got together and decided that people were out of control. Hence, the 10 commandments. These are simple rules that everyone should live by, believing in god or not. Everyone got a base of morals to live by. That works. I have to agree with Who. You need to believe in your fellow man, the guy next to you in the foxhole. That's what will get you through life, not depending on an idea.

[General Septem]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think religion is a bad thing, I think it was a good idea. 2000 years ago, some people got together and decided that people were out of control. Hence, the 10 commandments.

...Five thousand you mean.

[who897]

5k, 2k, same difference if your looking at how long the earth has been here. A mere second or 2 in the sceme of it's life.

[England Expects]

Why shouldn't non-Christians celebrate Christmas. After all, the origins of the Christmas festival lie in the pagan festival Yule.

I'm perfectly happy to drop the name Christmas, and wish a happy Yule to everyone.

[death2chikins]

You need to believe in your fellow man, the guy next to you in the foxhole. That's what will get you through life, not depending on an idea.

Not depending on an idea? The United States is based on nothing but ideas. Living here means you depend on them everyday. The freedom of speech is nothing more than an idea. The freedom of press nothing more than an idea. All men are created equal nothing more than an idea. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness nothing more than an idea.

And as far WHO897 honoring those who have died for this country by not honoring god is the cruelest of jokes. The very idea that belief in God dishonors them is way off base its not even funny. Consider how many christian solders died defending the rights you hold up. By attacking the faith that they held on to in time of war you are the one not honoring them. No greater love has a man then he lie down his life for another. Believer or non beleiver you have no right to dishonor or disrepect the beleif of any soldier who went to war for this country. If you disagree with the belief in God that is your right but do not use their sacrifice to make your point.

Oh and the greatest resource in our country is children without them there is no future to defend. It is to protect their future that soldiers die.

[death2chikins]

Why shouldn't non-Christians celebrate Christmas. After all, the origins of the Christmas festival lie in the pagan festival Yule.

I'm perfectly happy to drop the name Christmas, and wish a happy Yule to everyone.

Merry Yule and happy new years then :)

[General Septem]

Why shouldn't non-Christians celebrate Christmas. After all, the origins of the Christmas festival lie in the pagan festival Yule.

I'm perfectly happy to drop the name Christmas, and wish a happy Yule to everyone.
Christmas and Yule are two different things. When Christianity was introduced to Rome by Emperor Constantine the Great, some of their traditions were carried over. These weren't so much inherantly Pagan festivals as they were traditions the Romans were accustomed to.

Christmas first and foremost is the celebration of the birth of Christ. Remove that and it's not Christmas anymore, it is Yule. Kind of like the difference between a civil marriage and a sacramental marriage.

[death2chikins]

To you, a sunrise is all gods work. It has nothing to do with the atmosphere and the sun.

It has everything to do with the sun and atmosphere and other factors as well. But if a man uses a bulldozer to move a mound of earth then who really moves the dirt? the man or the machine? the machine did the work but without the man running the controls it is nothing more the large bits of metal incapable of doing anything.


You will go through your life living it half assed, thinking that you have this wonderful afterlife to go to. You will limit yourself (I do to, within the confines of the law, that's a whole different matter) so you can go to heaven. Check this out. I live every day like its my last. Why? Because it very well could be. And I have nothing to look forward to after.

I am glad you have decided to use every minute of your life to the fullest cause we truly never know when our time is up. But answer me this, without and afterlife to look forward to then doesn't life have no meaning at all. What whould be the point? To procreate? why? So our children could face the same hardships that we face? that's kinda cruel to them isn't it?



Now, this is where you tell me that you pity me, because I will rot in hell. I will rot in *dirt*. It is what it is.

I do not pity you your prison is of your own making. I will also not tell you that you will rot in hell since noone does rot in hell anyway. Perhaps you will rot in dirt and that will be a sad ending to a life will it not? To do such things a man is capable of doing only to end up in the ground.


Take random guy. Atheist. Doesn't live his life by anyones rules but his own. Rapes, kills, steals, does basically the most horrible things anyone can do, all his life. He gets caught, kills a few more people in prison, just cause hes bored. As hes walking down the hall to the chair, whoops, random guy accepts jesus and says "I believe", like tinkerbell in peter pan. Guess who is shacking up with you in your eternal paradise?

Not excatly true, just doing lip service does not save a person. Confession out of fear of death is no confession at all. God knows when we are honest in our convictions and when we are not. If the atheist truly is repeatent then i whould welcome him as a neighbor in heaven if he wasn't then well i will not have to worry about it then whould I?


Come on. What did he give:confused: ? Based on the religion:
1. jesus was in heaven, would die, and return to heaven

true all though alil simplfied i think but ask yourself this whould you go through the pain he endured to save a perfect stranger? i am a christian and i have a hard time answering that one myself.



2. god is infinite years old

again true


3. that basically makes the 30 some odd years of his life insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 30ish years out of infinity years isnt that long.

again i cannot argue that point however you must remember what he went through during those years here on earth. It may have been a short trip but it was also a painful one.


Look how much he loves the world, how much he really gave up for you. Ha!:D

He gave up much. his only son was beaten and died on the cross a most painful way to die. Again it saddens me to say but he did more than i think i could have so for this i thank him with all my being.

[who897]

By worshiping a "god" over the men and women, you are saying that their sacrifice was insignifigant. Those men and women didn't die for their "god" they died for this country.

I will say yes the USA was concieved of a group of ideas and bravado. Your "god" is from some faith and fear.

Without the soldiers there would be no place for your children. (Winston Churchill may have been a limmy, but you can't argue against his little sayings)




[QUOTE=death2chikins]It has everything to do with the sun and atmosphere and other factors as well. But if a man uses a bulldozer to move a mound of earth then who really moves the dirt? the man or the machine? the machine did the work but without the man running the controls it is nothing more the large bits of metal incapable of doing anything.

We can see the man, we can touch the man, we can have a 2 way communication with the man. Wait wait, I think god is talking to me......oh no, never mind it's my neigbors arguing again.


[Quote} I am glad you have decided to use every minute of your life to the fullest cause we truly never know when our time is up. But answer me this, without and afterlife to look forward to then doesn't life have no meaning at all. What whould be the point? To procreate? why? So our children could face the same hardships that we face? that's kinda cruel to them isn't it?


Without an afterlife, we are forced to make the time alive the best we can. That is the point, to live this life to make ourselves happy, cuz when your dead your dead, no second chances, one shot. No one said life was fair. Perhaps you put too much emphasis on children.
People do great things to live eternally through thier names, that is the only form of eternity.



[Quote] Not excatly true, just doing lip service does not save a person. Confession out of fear of death is no confession at all. God knows when we are honest in our convictions and when we are not. If the atheist truly is repeatent then i whould welcome him as a neighbor in heaven if he wasn't then well i will not have to worry about it then whould I?

According to all religous folks "god" is all forgiving, and regardless what we do all will be forgiven. That's funny.



[Quote] true all though alil simplfied i think but ask yourself this whould you go through the pain he endured to save a perfect stranger? i am a christian and i have a hard time answering that one myself.

Sure would. That is my job. If it weren't I still would do everything to save a perfect stranger. Except according to yall he knew he was going to heaven. I do not believe in such nonsense, and if I die, I will just be dead, trying to save someone. Honor.



[Quote] again i cannot argue that point however you must remember what he went through during those years here on earth. It may have been a short trip but it was also a painful one.

Pain is only weakness leaving the body. It's mind over matter, if your messiah didn't mind then I guess it didn't matter.


[Quote] He gave up much. his only son was beaten and died on the cross a most painful way to die. Again it saddens me to say but he did more than i think i could have so for this i thank him with all my being
But that's what the little son of a bitch deserved for leaving his father. What an ungratefull little spunk. Yall also believe he came back, I guess prehaps he was into the whole pain thing anyways then.

[General Septem]

I'm not reading that. Clean it the hell up or something.

[who897]

I'm not reading that. Clean it the hell up or something.


Good cuz I can only deal with one of yall at a time.

[General Septem]

Good cuz I can only deal with one of yall at a time.
I've had to deal with as many of three of you people.

I'm really not much for words to be honest.

[bladze420]

The pain that Jesus endured was so horrible? Ok, he was beaten. Nailed to a cross. Yeah, that had to suck. How about having your breasts cut off (for you females), or having your face cut while ink is poured into it just because you are a piece of property? Living that life, being spit on, for more than just 30 years, NOT knowing that you will return to your wonderful kingdom. How about living in poverty...not a man under a bridge...but true poverty, for your entire miserable life.

What is the meaning of life? To learn what you can, pass on your seed, and teach them what you know. That's all there is to it. You may see it as sad, and a miserable existance, but it's not. It's just the natural order of things.

As for the bulldozer/man thing. I don't have to go into a field, look at a pile of dirt, and start reading a book on bulldozers, pray to the bulldozer gods, and hope the dirt moves. No. I get the keys, start the machine, and move the dirt. It requires no faith, no belief. Sure, I assume it's working right, but if it isn't, I just get it fixed. Very simple.

Sure you say jesus went through some tough times to save you. Great. He's just one man. Worship the soldiers that give their lives so your children can carry on. That seems like a bigger sacrifice to me. Whatever their beliefs are, they don't know where they are going from here. They give up their life for you, your children, and everyone you do and do not know.

So, you have to worship something, why not the sun? I mean, it makes more sense to worship the sun than a false god. Why?

You can see the sun
The sun turns can warm the coldest days (It's a miracle!!!)
The sun can make plants grow
It can turn your skin colors!!!
It will NEVER fail you
Let's not forget the simple fact of LIGHT!
Sure, spend too much time worshiping the sun, and you will get cancer. Too much of a good thing.....
The sun has always been there for me, so it works for me

Sorry this is long, one last point. Praying. WTF is that all about? If you believe in god, you believe in his big ol plan, right? Here you are, Joe Snuffy, and your mother gets in a car accident. "You are in my prayers mom". So you go home, get in bed, and you pray. You ask your god to save mommy. Who the hell are you to get in the way of this wonderful master plan? What if mommy is supposed to die? Now you have prayed, god will take care of it, and whoops, the clumsy intern stumbles on the plug to the ventilator, and mommy is gone. So you say, "i'm not mad at god, it was gods plan". Why the hell did you just pray about it? Just leave it alone, its already in the plan.

Ah well. Worship the sun, just don't pray to it. Its not nice.

[bladze420]

I've had to deal with as many of three of you people.

I'm really not much for words to be honest.

Deal? You people? Of? I have been trying to be polite about this as much as I could, because I enjoy talking about it. I'm not here to tell you that you are wrong and I am right. You have an opinion, I have an opinion, and we are sharing it. I apologize if this means you have to deal with another one of us people. No one is forcing you to.

[bladze420]

Of course, you could switch to this religion, the church of the flying spaghetti monster:

http://www.venganza.org/

[who897]

Blaze he was responding to my post of I could only deal with one of "them religious" folks at a time. Apparently my post was to profain for his taste though. Titties ass fuck shit, sorry I got typing terrets (once again spelling not my strong point)

[General Septem]

NOT knowing that you will return to your wonderful kingdom.
But they will. Unless they choose to go to hell, and that is their choice.

[MrBirdy]

i think satan clause is with your mom!!

sorry i had to say that, but my true opinion is this:
you have chosen not to be a comformist, and have now proven to me that you are a lot more tolerant than a lot of people here, such as AJK if you ever meet him, he is a bit off on his beliefs, i critizice him, not you...

[MrBirdy]

No, it was hijacked long ago. The religious meaning is still there; atheists just refuse not to celebrate Christmas because it's an excuse for them to get free shit and time off work. Can't say I blame them, why be strong in your convictions when it's convenient not to be?

i am athiest, and i agree, when its christmas time, ill go to whover gives me more stuff. the Jewish part of my family, or the christian. i wont say im religiouse, but being atheist allows me to celbrate all celbrations. and its great!! free food, free gifts and a XBOX360. We should all alow oursevles to do these things...
remember, the more religions there are, the more stuff i get to go to, and the more gifts i get, so all of you, keep believing in your BS, and ill join you;)

[ajk]

sorry i had to say that, but my true opinion is this:
you have chosen not to be a comformist, and have now proven to me that you are a lot more tolerant than a lot of people here, such as AJK if you ever meet him, he is a bit off on his beliefs, i critizice him, not you...

Now hold on there a minute, I can be just as tolerant as anybody else here. That doesn't mean though that I have to sit back and take something when I know deep down inside me that's it wrong. The people I tolerate, it's the sins I cannot and will not.

[General Septem]

i am athiest, and i agree, when its christmas time, ill go to whover gives me more stuff. the Jewish part of my family, or the christian. i wont say im religiouse, but being atheist allows me to celbrate all celbrations. and its great!! free food, free gifts and a XBOX360. We should all alow oursevles to do these things...
remember, the more religions there are, the more stuff i get to go to, and the more gifts i get, so all of you, keep believing in your BS, and ill join you;)
Typical illegal mexican.

Yeah, well I don't give Christmas presents to freeloading atheists... sorry.

[who897]

Typical illegal mexican.

Yeah, well I don't give Christmas presents to freeloading atheists... sorry.


Tsk Tsk Tsk, doesn't it say somewhere in your bible that ya gotta give freeloading atheists things?

[General Septem]

Tsk Tsk Tsk, doesn't it say somewhere in your bible that ya gotta give freeloading atheists things?

Not when they invade a religious holiday with no intention of celebrating its true meaning and with every intention of getting whatever they can Jew out of everyone.

[assholius]

I'm a Peagan,so in my household we call it Yule.
As far as presents,we give them to the kids,because we don't want them to feel left out (at 5 and 6,I don't think they need to know anything about any religion yet),personally,I never want to get a present from anyone,I'm pretty frugal,so anything I actually want,I can just go buy.
I don't see the need for people to buy me a bunch of shit every year,that I'm a dickhead if I throw away.

As far as Christianity,Jesus was born in July,but by all means,welcome to our holiday(unless you guys brought the eggnog,that shit sucks).:)

[who897]

Not when they invade a religious holiday with no intention of celebrating its true meaning and with every intention of getting whatever they can Jew out of everyone.


That's a christian response. No one invaded a religious holiday, it invaded us. Since birth we've been fed that BS about Jesus and how we celebrate that crap. Novelty scenes in the parks where we play. I don't want shit from no one, but to not be a complete dick, I'll buy em something.

[General Septem]

That's a christian response. No one invaded a religious holiday, it invaded us. Since birth we've been fed that BS about Jesus and how we celebrate that crap. Novelty scenes in the parks where we play. I don't want shit from no one, but to not be a complete dick, I'll buy em something.

Nativity, not novelty. Hey just because over half the US population is or professes to be Christian and celebrates Christmas doesn't mean we're invading you. You just happen to not be with the mainstream, get over it.

My problem is that a shit-ton of non-Christians who don't think they need to keep Jesus in mind to celebrate Christmas come in ehre and expect the rest of us to all give them something. Well I'm sorry, but if you don't believe in Christ you're not getting shit from me. It's the fucking rules.If you don't understand Christmas then get the hell out.

[twisted_screams]

I believe people are either good or bad the bad people just need the "higher" powers to blame their problems on heres an example of somthing that i had to deal with , with my x husbands family.
They were real religous pentalcostals and long story short my brother in law became a minister supposedly got a call from god.
ANy way one day He and his pregnant wife ( about 6 months along) where taking a rode trip and came upon a gas station that was just closing for the night. The guy had already locked the door and was cleaning up ready to go home when my brother in law knocked and asked if his wife could use the bathroom. The guy said no that he was closed ( i would do the same when its time to clock out its time to clock out) anyway they got mad at the guy went back to the car and prayed asking god to take care of this guy.

A few weeks later they called my x on their way home and said about how they went past the same gas station and it was burnt to the ground and god must have done it for them.

Moral of the story my x in laws are idots. God like every other devil included are just storys to control people to get money etc. None exsist just like when the cave men thought that the moon was a monster some day science will prove that its all just a gimick to force control on not so intelligent or nice people

[who897]

Nativity, not novelty. Hey just because over half the US population is or professes to be Christian and celebrates Christmas doesn't mean we're invading you. You just happen to not be with the mainstream, get over it.

My problem is that a shit-ton of non-Christians who don't think they need to keep Jesus in mind to celebrate Christmas come in ehre and expect the rest of us to all give them something. Well I'm sorry, but if you don't believe in Christ you're not getting shit from me. It's the fucking rules.If you don't understand Christmas then get the hell out.


Sorry, Grammer Police, try to keep my spell check in order next time...or not. I just happen to have been forced into Christianity. I was forced into the Catholic school, I was forced to make communion, I was forced to go to church, I was forced to celebrate christmas in the christian faith, weither that was either catholic and later methodist, it was forced.....which is what invasion is, a forced entry.

As for Xmas gifts, I buy things for people that I care about, I don't EXPECT anything in return, I don't see a religious reason for this. This is kindness, a character trait, not a religious one. By your little slur on Jew's in general though, that little derrogatory statement was infact something that I am pretty sure a majority of chirstians would frown upon, your moral majority if you will.

Christmas isn't a religious holiday, it's no different then Thanks Giving Day or Memorial Day. Although we celebrate them diffently they are still days where we get together with friends and family and enjoy each others company. Not think about some BS story that might have happened 2050 years ago.

[ajk]

I will agree with you on your point about giving to others without expecting anything in return. I try to do that whenever I can. Religious or not, giving to others is a great thing to do.

That being said I can't agree about Christmas being a religious holiday at it's core. Why? It's simple, Christ is right in the name. Christ-Mas.

Incidentally, when you're younger do you really have a choice where you go? For instance let's say you're 6. If your parents go to church, you have to go too based on the fact that there's no way you can be home by yourself. Your parents control a lot of the things like that, simply because they are your parents and have seniority over you at that point in time. It's not an invasion, it's just how things are when you're younger. Doesn't mean you still don't have free will on decisions such as that when you get older, so thereby it's not forcing either. Forcing you would be at say 19, them saying you have to go church, or you have to go this school, that's forcing.

[General Septem]

Sorry, Grammer Police, try to keep my spell check in order next time...or not. I just happen to have been forced into Christianity. I was forced into the Catholic school, I was forced to make communion, I was forced to go to church, I was forced to celebrate christmas in the christian faith, weither that was either catholic and later methodist, it was forced.....which is what invasion is, a forced entry.

I'm assuming this was your parents, no? Would you rather they left you on some doorstep after you were born?


As for Xmas gifts, I buy things for people that I care about, I don't EXPECT anything in return, I don't see a religious reason for this. This is kindness, a character trait, not a religious one. By your little slur on Jew's in general though, that little derrogatory statement was infact something that I am pretty sure a majority of chirstians would frown upon, your moral majority if you will.

Yes, giving is one thing, and maybe you're one of the exceptions. I'm just talking about the people that barge in and expect us to give them a bunch of shit they can go and pawn off if they don't like.

What comment, you mean the one about "whatever they can Jew out of everyone"? It was the only metaphor I could think of.


Christmas isn't a religious holiday,

It was for almost 2000 years before everyone else had to come and fuck it up. And it's not just atheists. It's all the damn commercials, and all that other bullshit too. I'm just saying, you people never wanted to come in and celebrate any of our other holidays, so what gives?

[who897]

[Quote] I'm assuming this was your parents, no? Would you rather they left you on some doorstep after you were born? [Quote]

I had a 15 yr old sis that could have watched me, and did a lot after school when the folks were still at work.

[Quote] What comment, you mean the one about "whatever they can Jew out of everyone"? It was the only metaphor I could think of. [Quote]

Bad taste

[Quote] It was for almost 2000 years before everyone else had to come and fuck it up. And it's not just atheists. It's all the damn commercials, and all that other bullshit too. I'm just saying, you people never wanted to come in and celebrate any of our other holidays, so what gives? [Quote]

How is it fucked up. Because there isn't the big emphasis on Jesus and what not? Time's are a changing. I don't think it's fucked up, what other time are we given to be w/ our families and ones we care about. Is that fucked up? What is fucked up is calling it Christmas....I think the offical name should be X-mas, this way everyone can celebrate it if they want to and not feel that there is a religous backround to it. Like the 4th of July, there isn't a total religious baisis for it, and every US Citizen can participate because of that.

[ajk]

Times are changing I agree, but it seems they are changing for the worse. Changing Christmas to X-mas would be even worse. Hey if you want to celebrate it though you don't believe in Christ, that's fine. You can do what you want. However just because you don't believe in Christ, doesn't mean you should take that aspect of it away from those that do, of which there are many.

[General Septem]

I had a 15 yr old sis that could have watched me, and did a lot after school when the folks were still at work.

And that 15-year old sister of yours would've been too busy turning tricks to take care of you, if your parents had not taken care of her. Yet all you can say is they forced you into religion.


Bad taste

Nobody ever went to hell for bad taste.

[who897]

And that 15-year old sister of yours would've been too busy turning tricks to take care of you, if your parents had not taken care of her. Yet all you can say is they forced you into religion.



Nobody ever went to hell for bad taste.


Funny she's still single and has no kids, turning tricks that's funny.

How bout racist comments that are meant to hurt others?


Times are changing I agree, but it seems they are changing for the worse. Changing Christmas to X-mas would be even worse. Hey if you want to celebrate it though you don't believe in Christ, that's fine. You can do what you want. However just because you don't believe in Christ, doesn't mean you should take that aspect of it away from those that do, of which there are many.

I think your perception of things is skweed.
Yep, I too think there are too many christians. Didn't ya hear, Islam is set to take over that majority of religous practices by 2025, bet ya can't wait till your the minority in the religion wars.

[General Septem]

Funny she's still single and has no kids, turning tricks that's funny.

I said if your parents hadn't raised her. Read next time.


How bout racist comments that are meant to hurt others?

Intent? How did you establish that?

[ajk]

I think your perception of things is skweed.
Yep, I too think there are too many christians. Didn't ya hear, Islam is set to take over that majority of religous practices by 2025, bet ya can't wait till your the minority in the religion wars.

If Islam takes over the majority of religious practices, then may God help us all.

[General Septem]

Christianity will never be the minority in the religion wars, because they'll always have me on their side.

[who897]

Intent? How did you establish that?
By sheer deduction.

I said if your parents hadn't raised her. Read next time. [/Quote]

She wasn't forced to go to church w/ us

[Quote] If Islam takes over the majority of religious practices, then may God help us all

What are you afraid of another religion?


Christianity will never be the minority in the religion wars, because they'll always have me on their side.

So by agreeing that it is a war, you have just proven that there is anomosity towards other religions, which all religions say they don't have.
Alas, they wont always have you on their side. Everything dies, so therefore you wont always be there to champion the cause of Christianity.

[General Septem]

By sheer deduction.

I guess I can't complain, since it's hard to deduce anything if you're seeing the world through your colon.


She wasn't forced to go to church w/ us

I'm just saying that perhaps you should think about where you'd be right now had your parents decided not to raise you, and that includes "forcing" you to go to Church. I bet you didn't like it either when they forced you to go to school or do your homework either, or when they forced you to sit at the table and eat the dinner they worked all day to put on the table.

Grow the fuck up.


So by agreeing that it is a war, you have just proven that there is anomosity towards other religions, which all religions say they don't have.

I never said there was animosity. I'm just saying, if any Muslim or any other religion including atheism were to threaten Christianity, they would not live very long.


Alas, they wont always have you on their side. Everything dies, so therefore you wont always be there to champion the cause of Christianity.

I don't plan on going anywhere for another hundred years. And then I'll have kids, and while it is impossible for anyone to be more badass than me, I will have 20 kids who will all be equally as badass as me.

[who897]

I bet you didn't like it either when they forced you to go to school or do your homework either, or when they forced you to sit at the table and eat the dinner they worked all day to put on the table.


If it takes you all day to make dinner and put it on the table, you'd have to be a retart. Nope, I enjoyed school, great place to play sports. I also enjoy eating. I do not enjoy being forced to listen to some old bastard talk about an imaginary being.


I don't plan on going anywhere for another hundred years. And then I'll have kids, and while it is impossible for anyone to be more badass than me, I will have 20 kids who will all be equally as badass as me

I don't know weither to laugh at that, or just read it over and over again and stare blankly at the screen. I think I will chuckle and stare, it seems appropriate.

[ajk]

If it takes you all day to make dinner and put it on the table, you'd have to be a retart.


Not neccessarily, it depends on what is being made. Some things may require more time then others. Also don't forget we have a lot of technology now that can make food faster then before. Back in the day before microwaves and such I can imagine it took a bit longer.

[who897]

I'm sure the amish would agree, but we developed this thing called "fire", it speeds up the cooking process immensly. If your a vegitarian, well, damn, you don't even need that.

[ANarchy12]

parents make up santa just to make more happy


they should at least say the three kings gave baby jesus presents so shit like that

[who897]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.