British Blockade of Germany During WW1

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Now most of you probably think of WW1 as U Boats and trench warfare. Well, check this out. Many called the U Boats WMDs in their time. Bullshit. The U Boats killed barely anybody compared to those starved to death by the British blockade. This is the direct result of mining the North Sea and preventing anything from going into another country.
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[Montanarchist]

But reinforced the blockade when German forces ceased fire in 1918 so that they could put extra pressure on them to accept ToV. There's no gurantee that they would have been able to do that while conflicts still were raging. The blockade in and of itself could not force the Germans to surrender, even if it was a major catch they had on them.

By 1918 everyone was just sooo damn tired of fighting an endless war that people died in like flies, the emperors were facing issues with motivating the war to their soldiers and subjects.
If the US never would have entered they would just have stopped and agreed on the closest available conditional peace because no one wanted to continue.

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Then they ordered pizza....:p

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By 1918 everyone was just sooo damn tired of fighting an endless war that people died in like flies, the emperors were facing issues with motivating the war to their soldiers and subjects.
If the US never would have entered they would just have stopped and agreed on the closest available conditional peace because no one wanted to continue.

Not only that but the German government had been replaced by one that didn't like seeing it's citizens dying on the streets because the British refused to allow food and fertilizers into Germany.

[Montanarchist]

Not only that but the German government had been replaced by one that didn't like seeing it's citizens dying on the streets because the British refused to allow food and fertilizers into Germany.

Willie didn't abdicate until after the surrendering, the 28th of November, what "New government" are you talking about?

EDIT: NVM, I get it.
But the blockade still wasn't the biggest problem, the problem was still the fact people were just tired of war. if the US would have never entered the Entente would have faced the same conclusion.

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It would have had the same conclusion except for the fact that France would be speaking German right now. The AEF saved Paris from the Germans at Belleu Woods. If they hadn't been there the French faggots would've ran all the way to the Channel and swam to England. :rolleyes:

[Montanarchist]

It would have had the same conclusion except for the fact that France would be speaking German right now. The AEF saved Paris from the Germans at Belleu Woods. If they hadn't been there the French faggots would've ran all the way to the Channel and swam to England. :rolleyes:

You can't exactly bring up Belleu Woods as an example of where the US saved France since the Spring Offensive was to a great deal triggered by the American reinforcements.

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The German military would have eventually come about. The Germans knew, as did the Allies, that unless a major offensive was launched there would be no gaining of ground. Plus the Germans had more men because of those freed up from the Russian front.

[Montanarchist]

The German military would have eventually come about. The Germans knew, as did the Allies, that unless a major offensive was launched there would be no gaining of ground.
Is the truth.


Plus the Germans had more men because of those freed up from the Russian front.
But they wouldn't push it as hard if it wasn't for the US forces.

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But they wouldn't push it as hard if it wasn't for the US forces.

That is true, I'll give you that.

[Montanarchist]

Okay, there we go:)

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I guess nobody wants to discuss this? Okay.......:rolleyes:

[Montanarchist]

Well, as for the blockade itself it was in a time of war, but unlike the Pacific War the Germans were not any better or worse than the Brits, and they didn't start the war.
The best thing Britain could have done would have been to remain neutral all through out, but of course that's impossible when you're maintaining a world-wide empire.

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Well, as for the blockade itself it was in a time of war, but unlike the Pacific War the Germans were not any better or worse than the Brits, and they didn't start the war.
The best thing Britain could have done would have been to remain neutral all through out, but of course that's impossible when you're maintaining a world-wide empire.

AND if you have to honor an agreement to aid another country in war. Mainly, Belgium. :rolleyes:

[Montanarchist]

AND if you have to honor an agreement to aid another country in war. Mainly, Belgium. :rolleyes:

Yeah and that too.

[Rise Up]

What pisses me off is that early on in school I was taught that the Germans had killed more innocent people than anyone else. Bullshit. This year I was taught that the British starved 300,000 innocent Germans to death with their blockade. It was either 300,000 or 3 million. :confused:

[Montanarchist]

What's killed most innocent people is undoubtedly Communism in China, Soviet close second.

I don't know the exact numbers. I suppose they're hard to make since you have to separate them from the people that died in the field, but many of those died from starvation as well, and I think the main cause of death wasn't actual starvation, it was malnutrition. That'll make it even harder to figure out what went wrong, was it just a scarcity of certain types of food or was the government mishandling the rationing?
Do you have any better idea of more precisely what goods actually were blocked?

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What's killed most innocent people is undoubtedly Communism in China, Soviet close second.

I don't know the exact numbers. I suppose they're hard to make since you have to separate them from the people that died in the field, but many of those died from starvation as well, and I think the main cause of death wasn't actual starvation, it was malnutrition. That'll make it even harder to figure out what went wrong, was it just a scarcity of certain types of food or was the government mishandling the rationing?
Do you have any better idea of more precisely what goods actually were blocked?

In the Germany blockade? Everything was considered contraband including food, milk, AND FERTILIZERS. Which are needed for growing crops.

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What's killed most innocent people is undoubtedly Communism in China, Soviet close second.

I don't know the exact numbers. I suppose they're hard to make since you have to separate them from the people that died in the field, but many of those died from starvation as well, and I think the main cause of death wasn't actual starvation, it was malnutrition. That'll make it even harder to figure out what went wrong, was it just a scarcity of certain types of food or was the government mishandling the rationing?
Do you have any better idea of more precisely what goods actually were blocked?

Oh and also, the most innocent people killed title would have to go to Mao Zedong. He killed 70 MILLION Chinese. For being religious or not being Communist.

[Montanarchist]

In the Germany blockade? Everything was considered contraband including food, milk, AND FERTILIZERS. Which are needed for growing crops.

That is probably correct.

Oh and also, the most innocent people killed title would have to go to Mao Zedong. He killed 70 MILLION Chinese. For being religious or not being Communist.
I think only half of those can be attributed to political genocide. About just as many died due to communist agricultural policies.

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That is probably correct.

I think only half of those can be attributed to political genocide. About just as many died due to communist agricultural policies.

True. Because they worked on farms together they obviously lost SOME to injuries, some to poor medical care, and the rest to Communist shootings because of low crop collection. :rolleyes: