Bank robbery...

[buttless_wonder]

Have you ever considered it?

I have to the point of putting together a plan and picked the actual bank branch I would rob. Am I talking about one of those unbelievably convoluted jobs you see in a movie? Of course not because I have neither the resourses or the skills required for such a job. I'm talking a simple, dirty one where you tell the teller to fill a bag and get the hell out.

I figure wearing layered clothing would help so I could immediately change appearance as far as clothing is concerned. Loosing a layer or two of clothing would also help me to "lose" some weight if you know what I mean. The bank would be located close to local mass transit to help with the get away. Since I have a beard that would be shaved off to get rid of that part of the discription. The difficult part is while I am in the bank. It would have to be a time of day when few customers are present so I would be able to choose the teller. My teller of choice would be female with painted fingernails. When I go to the counter I tell her how I admire her nails and would like to know where she has them done so I could tell my gf/wife. Chances are both of her hands will end up on top of the counter to display those lovely nails. This is the point where I tell her it is a robbery and I need to see both hands at all times. I now present some kind of bag for her to load up all the while making sure to NEVER make any kind of threat or leave her believing I am carrying a weapon because if caught there is a large differebce between robbery and armed robbery.

If at any point before my interaction with the teller I would be able to change my mind and just ask for some information about services.

Of course I am aware this is something that will not make me rich. I see perhaps getting a couple of thousand at most, if lucky. The only way to get rich doing this would be to repeat doing so further increasing the chance of being caught. The main motivation would be the adreneline rush.

So ahhhhhh, who's in?

[MrJim]

I have told myself it's time to rob the bank, oh, maybe, a MILLION times ... but it's all bullshit. It's next to impossible to pull off a successful bank robbery these days with all the technology in place. It makes me wonder when I watch these movies where guys sit and plan the next big heist, why risk getting caught after pulling one off. Just quit the day job and relax, man! :rolleyes:

Anyhow, if I wanted to resort to robbery it wouldn't be a bank. I'm thinking a jeweler or liquor store or check cashing place. One of the 'low overhead'-looking places.

[LedZap]

Everything is cool....then the dye pack explodes !

[Rise Up]

Be careful of that dye pack man. That shit stains. Ruined my best burglary outfit too. :mad::D

[yee-haw]

Have you been watching point break?

[buttless_wonder]

Everything is cool....then the dye pack explodes !

That would be why the bag used to carry the cash stays on the counter within my sight at all times.

[LedZap]

That would be why the bag used to carry the cash stays on the counter within my sight at all times.

Unfortunately , the dye pack looks exactly like a band wrapped $10,000 stack of hundred dollar bills.

[General Septem]

That's why you go up to the clerk and give them a cell phone. Bloke on the other end says "we've got this guy's little girl, and if you don't give us all of your money, we're going to kill her."

I doubt the clerk will actually put a dye pack in there if she knows a little girl will die if she does.

[Rise Up]

Have you been watching point break?

Uhhh what? What the hell is Point Break?

[yee-haw]

Uhhh what? What the hell is Point Break?

You don't know what point break is?

Bank robbery movie, Go rent it... Patrick Swayze, Gary Busey and Lori Petty.

[buttless_wonder]

Unfortunately , the dye pack looks exactly like a band wrapped $10,000 stack of hundred dollar bills.

All I want is the money from the drawer which will not be bundled.

[hitekredneck]

i dunno why you guys even think this way...if ya wanna make a big haul, ya gotta go after dope dealers...just make damned sure you don't leave any witnesses or you'll end up dead :cool:

[LedZap]

All I want is the money from the drawer which will not be bundled.

All you will get is less than $5000 then as all the rest is always wrapped.

[Rise Up]

i dunno why you guys even think this way...if ya wanna make a big haul, ya gotta go after dope dealers...just make damned sure you don't leave any witnesses or you'll end up dead :cool:

Easy way to make money AND you're doing humanity a justice. Smart hitek. Smart.

[General Septem]

Stage a big dope buy between two big dealers. Stand by with a .50 cal sniper rifle somewhere far away. When the meeting takes place, shoot someone, doesn't matter who. They will assume they've been set up, and nature will take its course. While they fight, shoot out any of their tires that you possibly can to prevent anyone from escaping. The .50 cal can shoot through engine blocks and will disable vehicles easily.

If there are any witnesses, each side will just blame the other and you'll be fine.

[buttless_wonder]

All you will get is less than $5000 then as all the rest is always wrapped.

As stated in my first post...




Of course I am aware this is something that will not make me rich. I see perhaps getting a couple of thousand at most, if lucky. The only way to get rich doing this would be to repeat doing so further increasing the chance of being caught. The main motivation would be the adreneline rush.


This is strictly a one shot deal.
If all else fails read the original post. ;)

[MrJim]

i dunno why you guys even think this way...if ya wanna make a big haul, ya gotta go after dope dealers...just make damned sure you don't leave any witnesses or you'll end up dead :cool:

Even if you don't leave any witnesses, you may end up dead. The cops tend to frown on this sort of thing. Long story short, it's very tough to steal.

[LedZap]

Stage a big dope buy between two big dealers. Stand by with a .50 cal sniper rifle somewhere far away. When the meeting takes place, shoot someone, doesn't matter who. They will assume they've been set up, and nature will take its course. While they fight, shoot out any of their tires that you possibly can to prevent anyone from escaping. The .50 cal can shoot through engine blocks and will disable vehicles easily.

If there are any witnesses, each side will just blame the other and you'll be fine.

That sounds just like something from GTA Vice City.

[thememan]

That sounds just like something from GTA Vice City.

It also is pretty much completely impossible.

Dope dealers don't like one another, for one thing. Getting them to trust the other with lots of cash is going to be the hard part.

Secondly, if you think that the only people at a major trade off are going to be on the ground, you're gonna get yourself shot. They probably thought about the sniper bit, and have their own somewhere. So, how do you plan on getting the money which they brought with them?

Third, how the hell do you plan on contacting either to set it up? They sure as hell aren't listed, and most of the major players aren't even US residents. Trying to get any decent amount of cash out of such a plan would be nigh impossible, and not worth the risk involved.

[thememan]

Even if you don't leave any witnesses, you may end up dead. The cops tend to frown on this sort of thing. Long story short, it's very tough to steal.

The fallout from such a situation would make the police VERY interested in who started an all-out drug-war.

[yee-haw]

It also is pretty much completely impossible.

Dope dealers don't like one another, for one thing. Getting them to trust the other with lots of cash is going to be the hard part.

Secondly, if you think that the only people at a major trade off are going to be on the ground, you're gonna get yourself shot. They probably thought about the sniper bit, and have their own somewhere. So, how do you plan on getting the money which they brought with them?

Third, how the hell do you plan on contacting either to set it up? They sure as hell aren't listed, and most of the major players aren't even US residents. Trying to get any decent amount of cash out of such a plan would be nigh impossible, and not worth the risk involved.

Experience in that paticular field?

[General Septem]

It also is pretty much completely impossible.

Dope dealers don't like one another, for one thing. Getting them to trust the other with lots of cash is going to be the hard part.

Secondly, if you think that the only people at a major trade off are going to be on the ground, you're gonna get yourself shot. They probably thought about the sniper bit, and have their own somewhere. So, how do you plan on getting the money which they brought with them?

Third, how the hell do you plan on contacting either to set it up? They sure as hell aren't listed, and most of the major players aren't even US residents. Trying to get any decent amount of cash out of such a plan would be nigh impossible, and not worth the risk involved.

That's why you deal with mid-level dope dealers and not the top dogs. If you didn't want to snipe the area, you could always also plant a bomb somewhere near there and kill everyone that way. Or you could just make it look as though a major distributor is planning on ratting out his boss. That way, internal affairs takes care of it for you.

When did I say anything about taking the money they brought with them? :D

[thememan]

Experience in that paticular field?

Perhaps. I've been here and there, is all I'll say.

That said, my bank robbery would be the rural route. Find a small-ish town bank, say no more than 7000 population town. Spend a few weeks getting to know the back roads and such. Get a fairly common car type that is white(White is a rather unnoticeable color, and it is fairly common). Not a beater, because I need it to run, and beaters tend to stand out. Snag some old plates from a junker that someone is trying to sell(Without them knowing), the day before. Grow a beard, fake-bake myself with something that washes easily off, and wear a hat. Go to said bank THE DAY AFTER I get the plates, probably a Tuesday at 2 p.m. Get the money, book it quickly(But not to quickly) into the back country. Switch out the plates with real ones, shave the beard off, wash the tanning solution off, and off I go(Out of town, at least 100 miles out). Don't spend the money right away, don't deposit into my bank account, and only buy food and other consumables with the money.

[LedZap]

Perhaps. I've been here and there, is all I'll say.

That said, my bank robbery would be the rural route. Find a small-ish town bank, say no more than 7000 population town. Spend a few weeks getting to know the back roads and such. Get a fairly common car type that is white(White is a rather unnoticeable color, and it is fairly common). Not a beater, because I need it to run, and beaters tend to stand out. Snag some old plates from a junker that someone is trying to sell(Without them knowing), the day before. Grow a beard, fake-bake myself with something that washes easily off, and wear a hat. Go to said bank THE DAY AFTER I get the plates, probably a Tuesday at 2 p.m. Get the money, book it quickly(But not to quickly) into the back country. Switch out the plates with real ones, shave the beard off, wash the tanning solution off, and off I go(Out of town, at least 100 miles out). Don't spend the money right away, don't deposit into my bank account, and only buy food and other consumables with the money.

And maybe some more dope.........?

[thememan]

That's why you deal with mid-level dope dealers and not the top dogs. If you didn't want to snipe the area, you could always also plant a bomb somewhere near there and kill everyone that way. Or you could just make it look as though a major distributor is planning on ratting out his boss. That way, internal affairs takes care of it for you.

When did I say anything about taking the money they brought with them? :D

Even so, the mid-levels aren't really going to want to deal with one another because they're likely obligated to one supplier or another(Or grow their own). The only ones who would actually deal outside of their ring are the low-level flunkies, who quite frankly no one gives to shits about, and taking them out is similar to trying to stop the bubonic plague by killing every rat you see. Yeah, it takes care of a couple, but in the grand schem of things, you have done jack shit to end the plague.

EVEN IF you take out the Mid-Levels, you're still going to spark a bit of a turf war with the overlords, and things will get messy(The reason why no one wants to get into a turf war is pretty much it's going to draw attention, especially considering that innocent bystanders will be harmed). The very best situation one could hope for, being the taking out of mid-levels, would only leave an empty spot which would be filled in a matter of weeks, if not days.

Basically, you can't go for the big-guys, because they are to well protected, and paranoid as all hell about each other, you can't go for the low-levels, because they're a dime a dozen, and you can't go for mids because they will be replaced. Fun little system, no?

[thememan]

And maybe some more dope.........?

I was thinking booze. Lots and lots of booze.

[General Septem]

Perhaps. I've been here and there, is all I'll say.

That said, my bank robbery would be the rural route. Find a small-ish town bank, say no more than 7000 population town. Spend a few weeks getting to know the back roads and such. Get a fairly common car type that is white(White is a rather unnoticeable color, and it is fairly common). Not a beater, because I need it to run, and beaters tend to stand out. Snag some old plates from a junker that someone is trying to sell(Without them knowing), the day before. Grow a beard, fake-bake myself with something that washes easily off, and wear a hat. Go to said bank THE DAY AFTER I get the plates, probably a Tuesday at 2 p.m. Get the money, book it quickly(But not to quickly) into the back country. Switch out the plates with real ones, shave the beard off, wash the tanning solution off, and off I go(Out of town, at least 100 miles out). Don't spend the money right away, don't deposit into my bank account, and only buy food and other consumables with the money.

That's a smart plan, it helps if the town only has a few police officers on duty at any time. The only thing I would add is to call in a major emergency on the other side of town so they'll be busy for a few minutes.

[General Septem]

Even so, the mid-levels aren't really going to want to deal with one another because they're likely obligated to one supplier or another(Or grow their own). The only ones who would actually deal outside of their ring are the low-level flunkies, who quite frankly no one gives to shits about, and taking them out is similar to trying to stop the bubonic plague by killing every rat you see. Yeah, it takes care of a couple, but in the grand schem of things, you have done jack shit to end the plague.

EVEN IF you take out the Mid-Levels, you're still going to spark a bit of a turf war with the overlords, and things will get messy(The reason why no one wants to get into a turf war is pretty much it's going to draw attention, especially considering that innocent bystanders will be harmed). The very best situation one could hope for, being the taking out of mid-levels, would only leave an empty spot which would be filled in a matter of weeks, if not days.

Basically, you can't go for the big-guys, because they are to well protected, and paranoid as all hell about each other, you can't go for the low-levels, because they're a dime a dozen, and you can't go for mids because they will be replaced. Fun little system, no?

That's a really good point. Looks like they've thought of everything.

[thememan]

That's a really good point. Looks like they've thought of everything.

Well, I'm chalking it up to more of a "Nature of the beast" thing than anything else.

Think of like a corporation(Really similar, actually):

You have the CEOs, who are damn hard to replace, and are pretty much set in their position until A)They get booted out, which can happen in the Drug world due to either strategic police action or a coupe, or B) they decide to quit.

You have middle management, whom you trust to get the job done, however if they aren't doing the job well, or their loyalties are in question, can easily be booted and be replaced with someone else.

Then you have the cube-monkies, who are completely and totally dispensible, and if one of them goes, meh. You're company is doing fine.

Now imagine if the CEO is actually the owner of the corp, and you can see the way it works. Drugs are a business, first and formost, and the Drug Lords are there to make a lot of money. This type of system really just develops naturally in any business setting, legal or not. It's the best way to remove yourself from the brunt of the business, and still reap the rewards. Drug lords don't do the trade offs, because why would they? They control the drugs, and they have people who do that kind of leg work for them. Mid-levels are those guys, but also are the suppliers to the dealers. They make a good cut to, however in the end if one of them is taken out, you can find a new guy or replace him with someone else who is in rank to do so. The dealers themselves tend to be the most dispensible of the business, and taking out dealers is good, yes, but ultimately does nothing to cure the problem.

It is a sad thing to say, but the best way to kill the illegal drug racket is to actually legalize the stuff. It is really the last thing Drug Lords want, because if any company can make it, the price will drop something fierce for most drugs, and it will become pretty much unprofitable.

The problem with this idea is that not all drugs are created equal. You can make an argument for Weed and Cocaine(And a handful of others) to an extent, however other drugs have far more prolific problem than mere personal use. Meth-heads and heroine addicts, for instance, often don't choose to do so, but many do either under duress, coersion, or by drug-induced force. Not to mention the psychological affects of those drugs lasts far beyond the actual "high" one receives. It's a sticky issue with these types of drugs, imparticular.

That said, if are going to continue our "war on drugs", we really need to focus less on some drugs, such as pot, than on others, such as Meth. If marjiuana were legalized, the drug rings revolving around them would probably dismantle themselves(As I said, it would become completely unprofitable, practically overnight). This could generate revenue to fight other drugs, as well as free assets devoted to fighting weed.

That's my view, anyway.

[hitekredneck]

Even so, the mid-levels aren't really going to want to deal with one another because they're likely obligated to one supplier or another(Or grow their own). The only ones who would actually deal outside of their ring are the low-level flunkies, who quite frankly no one gives to shits about, and taking them out is similar to trying to stop the bubonic plague by killing every rat you see. Yeah, it takes care of a couple, but in the grand schem of things, you have done jack shit to end the plague.

EVEN IF you take out the Mid-Levels, you're still going to spark a bit of a turf war with the overlords, and things will get messy(The reason why no one wants to get into a turf war is pretty much it's going to draw attention, especially considering that innocent bystanders will be harmed). The very best situation one could hope for, being the taking out of mid-levels, would only leave an empty spot which would be filled in a matter of weeks, if not days.

Basically, you can't go for the big-guys, because they are to well protected, and paranoid as all hell about each other, you can't go for the low-levels, because they're a dime a dozen, and you can't go for mids because they will be replaced. Fun little system, no?

don't start mid-level, mang...go after the small-fry first, get em to roll up the chain of command, and take everything they have to boot, then move up to mids...everybody has patterns in what they do everyday, and that can be planned around...no big crowds whatsoever, mainly one or two on one, any more would simply be a distraction, and i don't care to share...eventually, you CAN go for the big boys, but you best have your shit together and stalk em for quite a while to pick up habits and routines...:cool: