It's your fault

[freespeech4ever]

Ya sure abortion is your choice, but if you get pregnant you need to step up and take the responsibility, you opened your legs. the only way you should have an abortion, is if you were raped, or if it could be harmful or fatal to your health.

[theicidal maniac]

right...we need more teenagers who made the mistake that their hormones WANT them to make to raise children! We need more people who make bad decisions to be the guidance of the next generation. And honestly, Earth really doesn't have enough babies. If you could escape for a moment the tight grip that Christendom has on the twisted and irregular moral pulse of this country you would see that abortion is in many cases the BEST thing for all parties involved.
And what's to stop a woman from lying and saying she was raped when she was not? What is "harmful to health?" I have a baby, i saw it come out....that is harmful to your body. Childbirth is inherently harmful to your body. And raising a child in an unwelcome environment is harmful to it's MENTAL health. Stop thinking of a drop of semen as a human being...unless you are willing to admit that you are equal in all ways to a cumstain

I win

[who897]

Freespeach4all, I say free abortions for all. Even if it hurts. Cuz I'm a freakin sadist (or what ever the one is that likes watching others pain)

[Dakota]

right...we need more teenagers who made the mistake that their hormones WANT them to make to raise children! We need more people who make bad decisions to be the guidance of the next generation. [QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

You have somewhat of a point here. However, we do need a next generation. Plus, as many of the pro-life advocats have suggested plenty of times. If you are a teenager who got pregnant, or somebody else who's not fit to raise the child, or you just simply don't want it - give it up for adoption. Once again, I personally know people who have adopted and I know people who were adopted. It's been a blessing for everyone all the way!


[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] And honestly, Earth really doesn't have enough babies. [QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

Maybe the earth does. This contry though doesn't. And other countries of the so called Western World. That's why social security is so jacked up in many countries. Not enough babies = not enough young folks to pay for the retierees.


[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] If you could escape for a moment the tight grip that Christendom has on the twisted and irregular moral pulse of this country you would see that abortion is in many cases the BEST thing for all parties involved.[QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

Except for the baby - who's getting ripped to bits and pieces.

[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] And what's to stop a woman from lying and saying she was raped when she was not?[QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

Nothing.

[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] What is "harmful to health?" I have a baby, i saw it come out....that is harmful to your body. Childbirth is inherently harmful to your body. [QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

Childbirth is not "harmful" to your body. It's stressful and taxing but it's a natural thing - and a beautiful one. Harmful to health should mean - if the mother's life is at risk and a decision needs to be made between saving her life or the baby's - then the mother herself, her spouse or next of kin may choose to safe her life rather than the baby's. I imagine that is what pro-life advocats mean by"if it's harmful to health". Correct me if I'm wrong you guys. It's definitely how I fell though. This and this alone is the one situation in which I will not argue on behalf of the baby's life.


[QUOTE=theicidal maniac]And raising a child in an unwelcome environment is harmful to it's MENTAL health. [QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

See "adoption" above. And let me add. I also personally know people who didn't want the baby, cosidered abortion, wanted to give it up for adoption, really didn't want anything to do with the baby and turned into the best parents once they saw their little miracle.

[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] Stop thinking of a drop of semen as a human being...unless you are willing to admit that you are equal in all ways to a cumstain [QUOTE=theicidal maniac]

You're absolutely right! A drop of semen is NOT a human being. It's nothing more than a drop of semen. However, a fetus IS a human being. If not from the beginning - then definitely once his or her little heart starts beating right around the 5th week of pregnancy.

[QUOTE=theicidal maniac] I win

There's nothing to win here. We're just exchanging thoughts and ideas.

[Dakota]

Cuz I'm a freakin sadist (or what ever the one is that likes watching others pain)

A sadist is actually the one inflicting pain on others. I guess he's also the one kind of watching it, since I guess you watch while you do it ...

[theicidal maniac]

QUOTE[Except for the baby - who's getting ripped to bits and pieces.]

Don't call it a baby...it isn't a baby. Pick up a book about how the fetus develops...compare it to fetuses of other creatures...for the first weeks there is no discernable difference between a cow fetus and a human fetus or a duck or a rabbit or a bat.

QUOTE[Childbirth is not "harmful" to your body. It's stressful and taxing but it's a natural thing]

You hippie. "Natural" does not EQUAL healthy. Before modern medicine was able to offer the kind of care we currently offer during childbirth, the fatality rate was extremely high, in fact, in the American west 150 years ago 1 in 3 women could expect to die while birthing. That's GOOD for your body?

Bottom line is, if you don't like abortion DON'T HAVE ONE! What someone else does do a growth of a clump of cells that is barely specialized inside their body should be their own business

[who897]

I agree, you win.

[Dakota]

QUOTE[Except for the baby - who's getting ripped to bits and pieces.]

Don't call it a baby...it isn't a baby. Pick up a book about how the fetus develops...compare it to fetuses of other creatures...for the first weeks there is no discernable difference between a cow fetus and a human fetus or a duck or a rabbit or a bat.

QUOTE[Childbirth is not "harmful" to your body. It's stressful and taxing but it's a natural thing]

You hippie. "Natural" does not EQUAL healthy. Before modern medicine was able to offer the kind of care we currently offer during childbirth, the fatality rate was extremely high, in fact, in the American west 150 years ago 1 in 3 women could expect to die while birthing. That's GOOD for your body?

Bottom line is, if you don't like abortion DON'T HAVE ONE! What someone else does do a growth of a clump of cells that is barely specialized inside their body should be their own business


Well - actually it is a baby. Just like a cow fetus is a calve. And of course - there is no great biological difference between a cow fetus and a human fetus because we're both mammals. When I was in medical school we obviously had to study anatomy and we had to do preparations of human body parts - you know take the skin and fatty tissue off to show and define muscles, veins, arteries, nerves, etc. Later on I studied horse anatomy and believe it or not - it's pretty much the same thing. The digestive tract is a bit funky in the horse, but other than that - pretty darn close. All the muscles, the vascular system, nerves, etc. all the same, even have the same latin names. Considering that - no wonder that a human fetus is very similar to any other mammal fetus. As for ducks - I really can't say much about that. They're not mammals, they're birds, they hatch from an egg - I doubt their fetuses have as much in common with ours, but then again, I don't really know that.
Anyways - so what if the human fetus is biologically like a cow fetus. So are we - biologically we have much in common with cows - so??? We don't want to be killed after we're born, why should it be okay before?

Please don't call me a Hippie. You really don't know me well enough to make that call, which is by the way as far from the truth as you can get. Just because I think nature isn't altogether bad, it really doesn't mean that I agree with a do whatever the hell you want, don't work, take drugs and sleep around kind of attitude.
I understand that infant mortality as well as the mortality of birthing mothers was much much higher in the past. Mainly that was due to insanitary conditions. Not because highly delveloped medicine is necessary every other time a child is born. That is not the case. In most cases you really don't need much medical help, you just need clean conditions.

Now you suggested I pick up a book to read about how the fetus develops. Well, I actually have picked up many books on that. Much more importantly though I have watched very closely as my daughter Emma (who is 6 months old now) developed. The first time we heard her heartbeat was 5 weeks into the pregnancy. At that point - at FIVE WEEKS - she was way past a clump of cells. She had a heart just like you, it was beating and we heard it. When we went in for our first sonogram, I was 10 weeks pregnant. By then she had arms, legs, feet and hands. She had eyes, a brain, most of the organs were developing, etc. She was wide awake and wriggeling around. She even did some sommersaults. The more she "worked out" the faster her heart beat. Just like when we work out. At the 20 week sonogram she was already done with everything. All the organs were in place, I could feel her, she would react to me, to her Dad talking to her, she could distinguish darkness from light, she could hear us, she had the hick-ups, she started to have a regular schedule of kicking for about 30 minutes just around midnight - she was a little person already - AND if she had been born around 21 weeks she could have lived. Babies have been born that early and they LIVE - at that point they're done, they're children, from then on they simply grow just like they continue to grow after delivery.

I actually agree with your statement "natural does not equal healthy". That is true. I should have worded it better. Being pregnant and having a baby is NOT a disease. Giving birth is NOT getting injured. Having a normal pregnancy and delivery does NOT mean the baby is causing harm to the mother's health! Yes - it's painful. I was in labor for 17 hours. I had transition contractions (since you're so well informed I assume you know what they are) for 4 hours. It's HARD WORK. That's why they call it LABOR, not a vacation. It's not a disease and it's not a reason to kill that unborn child, fetus, life whatever you want to call it.

Bottom line - it's more than a clump of cells. Definitely by the 5th week it's more than that. TWO heartbeats, TWO people! If someone decides to kill their baby, I can't stop them, but I'm outraged - born or unborn.
If you really don't want to have a baby - don't get pregnant. If you want to have sex, make it as safe as possible. Use three different kind of birth control. If you did everything in the book to prevent pregnancy but got pregnant anyway - well, you should have known no birth control is 100%. If you really don't want the baby, give it up for adoption. Next time - don't have sex when you're ovulating.

[theicidal maniac]

First off if you studied medicine as you claim to have you shouldn't be so quick do discredit the role of medical advancements in the lessening of the mortality rate. And I didn't say it had anything to do with drugs. The word "medicine" doesn't ONLY MEAN DRUGS. it also refers to a discipline. And many masters of this discipline have determined it A-OK to perform abortions. Who are you to say a Dr. doesn't know what he's talking about? PSHH-med school.
While I do agree that is quite disturbing that someone can get an abortion at 21 weeks a fetal cow is not a calve. And even if it were it would be a calf not a calve. But basically at the 5 week point that you mentioned the fetus has had very little sensory input. The human brain, as with any electronic processing unit, can really only output based on it's input. At this point the fetus is very likely NOT self-aware. You may know that when a late-term abortion is performed the fetus struggles against the vacuum, so you say...OH it clearly wants to live. But you could say the same about a juniper tree. When you stop giving it water it lets all of it's limbs die except one in a struggle to survive. Is the Juniper intelligent? Is it wrong to eat a juniper berry while the developing seed is still inside it? Spray a bug with a household cleaner...it clearly fights against it's doom. Do we then respect the spiders egg sack that we find in our closet? A fetal human is definitely a POTENTIAL human, but at 4 or 5 weeks we are not talking about a sapient being. The structural SIMILARITIES between mammals like cows and humans are far from the SAMENESS of the fetuses of different animals like a rabbit and a human. At a certain stage they are the same. If you studies med like you say you did you know that a human starts out as a clump of undifferentiated cells. The fetal stage at 5 weeks is like a halway point between primordial ooze and homo-sapiens-sapiens. It's NOT a baby. at that oint it could be any member of the animal kingdom. I'm not arguing that you didn't feel something very amazing when you heard that first swish-swish of a heartbeat in the docs office but rats have hearts too. Doesn't mean we should blow up rat abortion clinics. If there were any of course

[General Septem]

The fact of the matter is, whether you can have the baby or not, you can't simply kill them. The unborn baby is a living human being. If you don't want him, adopt him. We're not trying to "force" you into anything, anymore than saying you can't murder someone. And no, it is not just some "Christian belief" either. Pro-life is not just Christian and it is not just abortion. Pro-life is anyone who values human life in all stages.

[theicidal maniac]

so then you aren't going to bother to reply to my SPECIFIC comments General? Just gonna revert back to more regurgitation? I thought so

[General Septem]

so then you aren't going to bother to reply to my SPECIFIC comments General? Just gonna revert back to more regurgitation? I thought so

None of your comments were directed at me since it was my first post in the thread.

Do you have anything relevant to say, or are you just 'gonna' revert back to more attempted character defamation?

Here's a tip about posting, by the way. Nobody wants to read a paragraph that's 20 lines long. At the very least, split it up a bit. It makes your posts seem less overly verbose (read: tl;dr).

[theicidal maniac]

Please do excuse my garrilosity and sesquepedalism. As for character defamation, I'm sorry, I prey on the weak...people with no reasons for their opinions. It's not just you......Let's be pals:)

[General Septem]

Please do excuse my garrilosity and sesquepedalism.

It wasn't my intention to floccinaucinihilipilificate y7our musings on grounds of sesquipedalially constructed words, but rather the clumping together of what should be multiple paragraphs. ;)


As for character defamation, I'm sorry, I prey on the weak...people with no reasons for their opinions. It's not just you......Let's be pals:)

I see, but I am neither weak nor do I blindly believe what I believe. It would seem to me that you would think anyone who disagreed with you didn't really have a reason to, merely because you wouldn't agree that such reasons actually exist.

[Dakota]

First off if you studied medicine as you claim to have you shouldn't be so quick do discredit the role of medical advancements in the lessening of the mortality rate. And I didn't say it had anything to do with drugs. The word "medicine" doesn't ONLY MEAN DRUGS. it also refers to a discipline. And many masters of this discipline have determined it A-OK to perform abortions. Who are you to say a Dr. doesn't know what he's talking about? PSHH-med school.
While I do agree that is quite disturbing that someone can get an abortion at 21 weeks a fetal cow is not a calve. And even if it were it would be a calf not a calve. But basically at the 5 week point that you mentioned the fetus has had very little sensory input. The human brain, as with any electronic processing unit, can really only output based on it's input. At this point the fetus is very likely NOT self-aware. You may know that when a late-term abortion is performed the fetus struggles against the vacuum, so you say...OH it clearly wants to live. But you could say the same about a juniper tree. When you stop giving it water it lets all of it's limbs die except one in a struggle to survive. Is the Juniper intelligent? Is it wrong to eat a juniper berry while the developing seed is still inside it? Spray a bug with a household cleaner...it clearly fights against it's doom. Do we then respect the spiders egg sack that we find in our closet? A fetal human is definitely a POTENTIAL human, but at 4 or 5 weeks we are not talking about a sapient being. The structural SIMILARITIES between mammals like cows and humans are far from the SAMENESS of the fetuses of different animals like a rabbit and a human. At a certain stage they are the same. If you studies med like you say you did you know that a human starts out as a clump of undifferentiated cells. The fetal stage at 5 weeks is like a halway point between primordial ooze and homo-sapiens-sapiens. It's NOT a baby. at that oint it could be any member of the animal kingdom. I'm not arguing that you didn't feel something very amazing when you heard that first swish-swish of a heartbeat in the docs office but rats have hearts too. Doesn't mean we should blow up rat abortion clinics. If there were any of course


First of all - calve versus calf - yes, rather embarrassing :o. English is not my first language. I'm a native German, so forgive my mistake. I usually look things up that I'm not sure about, but I was too lazy, it sounded the same to me, so I went with it. Shouldn't happen again.

Now - we really shouldn't blow up ANY abortion clinics - rats or human. We really shouldn't blow up ANYTHING for that matter.

Also - of course I understand that a human being starts with an egg and whatever sperm managed to infiltrate. Yes - those are nothing but cells. However they are Human cells, they are alive and as soon as the baby is conceived they start splitting (not sure if that's the correct English term for it). Since you're talking about doctors (and by the way, I'm not one. I did attend medical school but I left out to get married, move to the U.S. and become a Social Worker, anyways ...)
ANY doctor - really ANY including the pro-choice ones will agree that as soon as the sperm hits the egg a NEW HUMAN LIFE has started. A HUMAN LIFE! That's a fact, no scientist will argue it and it's not up for debate.

What the debate around abortion is really about, is the value of this new life. And even the law (although we've established on here earlier that the law is not necessarily a standard of right and wrong) agrees that at some point during the pregnancy, the value of that NEW LIFE becomes more important than the mother's issues. So far nobody's been able to tell me up to what week abortions are legal in this country - however - in Germany it's up to 12 weeks. After that the NEW LIFE is valued more than the mother’s dilemmas (with the exception of certain circumstances) I'd be really curious what the cut off is in this country - but so far none of the pro abortion folks knew.

Now let's tackle the debate on what is the value of a new human life and why or why not is it okay to kill a fetus.

To answer some of your points - do I think that human life is more valuable than a spider's, rat's or tree's? Yes! Absolutely! Do I think smashing the fly I killed earlier today in my kitchen is morally different from coming to your house and smashing your brains?? Yes - fortunately for you - I do! Fortunately for you - most people think so, because otherwise this planet might be a dangerous place for you.

Yes, the just conceived fetus is not the same as a fully grown man – which is likely to be your next argument – but it IS a HUMAN LIFE! And it HAS everything it needs (DNA) to one day be a fully grown man or woman.
Now you’re gonna say – no it doesn’t have everything it needs – it needs the mother to survive, so the mother should have the right to abort. Well – the same is true for my daughter Emma. At 6 months old she really needs me to help her survive as well. If I decided to “abort” her now, I’d go to prison and everyone including YOU would be (rightfully) judging me. What is the difference?? Why should I be able to kill a new human life, fetus, baby then, but I can’t do it now?

Another point you brought up – the fetus has no self awareness therefore it is okay to kill it. Well, Emma also has no self awareness. If you pick up a book you’ll find out that self awareness doesn’t actually being within the first year of life. Most commonly it’s around 20 to 24 months old. If lack of self awareness is what makes abortion okay, so it’s okay to kill our children up to the age of 20 to 24 months then?

P.S. I really don’t know where you got the idea that I thought medicine only means drugs. I never said that. Also, the fact that some doctors agree with abortion is a rather weak argument, because there are just as many who disagree with it. Those ones are wrong then, or what? And to quote you “Who are you to say a Dr. doesn't know what he's talking about?”

[Dakota]

Here's a tip about posting, by the way. Nobody wants to read a paragraph that's 20 lines long. At the very least, split it up a bit. It makes your posts seem less overly verbose (read: tl;dr).


Sorry General. I know my post is really dragging on, but I did want to answer to his points.

[General Septem]

Sorry General. I know my post is really dragging on, but I did want to answer to his points.
Actually your post was very readable, because you split it into managable sized paragraphs. :D

There's nothing wrong with a really long post, but when I see 20-60 lines of text with no breaks it doesn't make me want to read it. ;)

[REPTILE]

Human Life must always be given value. If we abort like its no big deal then what does that make us as a human race. "Nah, I dont want it" "its too stressfull" or "Oops, didnt mean to get pregnant" are NOT reasons to kill a living being.

1. Its murder (and dont give me that "Christian point of view" BullShit, whether I'm Christian or not has the least bit of importance)

2. You can give it up for adoption

3. Giving life instead of destroying it is VERY honorable and generous
I value choice, but not the specific choice of murdering an unborn kid because you were irresponsible.
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*Theicidal maniac - "Before modern medicine was able to offer the kind of care we currently offer during childbirth, the fatality rate was extremely high, in fact, in the American west 150 years ago 1 in 3 women could expect to die while birthing."

Keywords: "Before modern medicine"
We now have that ("modern" medicine), so whats your point. The topic is now days ("modern" times)

[who897]

The fact of the matter is, whether you can have the baby or not, you can't simply kill them. The unborn baby is a living human being. If you don't want him, adopt him. We're not trying to "force" you into anything, anymore than saying you can't murder someone. And no, it is not just some "Christian belief" either. Pro-life is not just Christian and it is not just abortion. Pro-life is anyone who values human life in all stages.



The fact of the matter or matter-of-fact, is that I could simply kill it. Like so many simple celled organizims. At the conception stage it's more like a mole then a human. It's not really living at this stage in it's "life", unless of course you consider viruses living. They both invade your body, using something else as a mechanism to replicate it's cells to keep going. (This going back to my STD statement of pregnancy) Like "most" all viruses and bacteruem that cause infection, they can't live outside of a host, and onced removed tend to shrivel up and cease all functions. You woudn't just keep a tapeworm in ya would you, it's growing inside of you, it's sorta living. No, you wouldn't you'd go to the doc, and have him give ya some drugs and shit that Fucker out. Actually yall are trying to "force" someone to do something esp things they don't want to do, like give birth. I agree that it isn't a christian belief, it's a rediculous reglious based idea to demand an unwanted pregnancy to come to term. BTW we do start to develop like a variaty of different animals, we even have a nub of a tail, that eventually gets absorbed into our developing asses, other animals (mainly the ones w/ tails) just get bigger.

[who897]

Keywords: "Before modern medicine"
We now have that ("modern" medicine), so whats your point. The topic is now days ("modern" times)

[who897]

Keywords: "Before modern medicine"
We now have that ("modern" medicine), so whats your point. The topic is now days ("modern" times)




Yep, now adays, we got the right tools to abort, which is much safer then giong through a pregnancy. Plus far be it from me to make a woman go through pregnancy w/ a chance she might get those post pregnancy blues.

[General Septem]

The fact of the matter or matter-of-fact, is that I could simply kill it. Like so many simple celled organizims. At the conception stage it's more like a mole then a human. It's not really living at this stage in it's "life", unless of course you consider viruses living. They both invade your body, using something else as a mechanism to replicate it's cells to keep going. (This going back to my STD statement of pregnancy) Like "most" all viruses and bacteruem that cause infection, they can't live outside of a host, and onced removed tend to shrivel up and cease all functions. You woudn't just keep a tapeworm in ya would you, it's growing inside of you, it's sorta living. No, you wouldn't you'd go to the doc, and have him give ya some drugs and shit that Fucker out. Actually yall are trying to "force" someone to do something esp things they don't want to do, like give birth. I agree that it isn't a christian belief, it's a rediculous reglious based idea to demand an unwanted pregnancy to come to term. BTW we do start to develop like a variaty of different animals, we even have a nub of a tail, that eventually gets absorbed into our developing asses, other animals (mainly the ones w/ tails) just get bigger.

A fetus is not a virus nor an STD. It is a living human being that just happens to be a little smaller than the rest of us.

[General Septem]

Yep, now adays, we got the right tools to abort, which is much safer then giong through a pregnancy. Plus far be it from me to make a woman go through pregnancy w/ a chance she might get those post pregnancy blues.

...as opposed to what, the post-abortion blues?

[who897]

It aint human.

And if you can find some medical artical about post abortion blues let me know. As for chicks getting severe depression after giving birth is well documented. In fact some of them kill the kids after wards. Which I think you would think is wrong.

[Dakota]

It aint human.

And if you can find some medical artical about post abortion blues let me know. As for chicks getting severe depression after giving birth is well documented. In fact some of them kill the kids after wards. Which I think you would think is wrong.


Well let me ask you - Do YOU think it's wrong to kill the kids afterwards??? If so - WHY??

P.S. The struggles, guilt, torment and depression that comes with or after an abortion is well documented. You can find it anywhere and everywhere. I personally know women who had abortions - some of whom can as a result of it not have children anymore. She wanted children - just not at the time that she got pregnant. Now she goes to playgrounds and watches them play. She's heartbroken and will be forever! Not every woman who aborts, but MANY women who abort go on to rarely ever smile again - and that IS well documented.

[Dakota]

The fact of the matter or matter-of-fact, is that I could simply kill it. Like so many simple celled organizims. At the conception stage it's more like a mole then a human. It's not really living at this stage in it's "life", unless of course you consider viruses living. They both invade your body, using something else as a mechanism to replicate it's cells to keep going. (This going back to my STD statement of pregnancy) Like "most" all viruses and bacteruem that cause infection, they can't live outside of a host, and onced removed tend to shrivel up and cease all functions. You woudn't just keep a tapeworm in ya would you, it's growing inside of you, it's sorta living. No, you wouldn't you'd go to the doc, and have him give ya some drugs and shit that Fucker out. Actually yall are trying to "force" someone to do something esp things they don't want to do, like give birth. I agree that it isn't a christian belief, it's a rediculous reglious based idea to demand an unwanted pregnancy to come to term. BTW we do start to develop like a variaty of different animals, we even have a nub of a tail, that eventually gets absorbed into our developing asses, other animals (mainly the ones w/ tails) just get bigger.

Comparing human life with the one of a virus or bacteria is not really something I care to comment on. It's so beyond reason there's really nothing one can say. I just wish you'd be consequent and see ALL human life then as worthless - which come to think of it you actually said so on another thread.

Like I said before - I feel very sorry for you that you feel worthless, unimportant and like a random pile of cells. There's no way anyone can feel good about themselves while believing that they're this random and worthless. And if we don't feel good about ourselves, how can we feel good about anything? It then makes perfect sense to have such a gloomy attitude and appear to be cruel and heartless.

Anyways - I wish you the best of luck and I pray that one day you will realize how carefully, intentionally and amazingly you were put together in order to to great things. Peace :)

[REPTILE]

^Nicely said!

Dakota, your my favorite person here at BullShit.com!

(ps - Beelzebub, your my second favorite. OK, i lied)

[Dakota]

^Nicely said!

Dakota, your my favorite person here at BullShit.com!

(ps - Beelzebub, your my second favorite. OK, i lied)


Oh THANK YOU REPTILE!! You know you're my favourite too, right!?

The rest of you guys are great too - but you Reptile - I said it before, you were the one who encouraged me to stick it out :)

Thanks :)!

[who897]

I like how you do that, if your this then your that, because of this, type rationale. I'm not self important, the world does not revolve around me. Although I can see how it does for you. Now as not being happy or feel good, everyone's got good days and everyone's got bad days, in other words, I have no freakin idea what the hell that crap was all about. Apartently your not getting the jist of everything I'm saying. And by me saying something like killing kids (borne of course cuz b4 u r born your just a clump of semen and egg) , does not mean I recognize a difference, I understand that yall do. Plus what does it matter if someone murders some one or something else to all yall. Will what ever is killed **cough cough gag** soul (bullshit) go to heaven like yall talk about. Of course it will because fairies exsist and so do leprochans. Simple. Let us worry about our conduct and you worry bout yours. And by saying that my comparison of viruses and humans is beyond reason is rediculous. As a fetus you are a virus to your host/women. As a human you are a virus to the earth. Hell, if not for being able to develop weapons of some sort throughout history, we'd be history. I haven't even begun being cruel. I just don't understand how you all can not see the common sense and logic in the fact that abortions should be status quo. I do take solace though in knowing somewhere right now a fetus is being sucked up and thrown in a tube of salt. Or a hanger is being used to rip that mofo out.

Please don't pray for me, it will only lead you to one conclusion, aint no one up there listening, never was. But if you happen to pass and notice that there is an after life, try and make lighten bolts come out my ass, maybe I'll change my way of thinking then.

Also, if when a womens water breaks you catch all that embriodic fluid, and fry it up, will it taste like egg whites? Just a thought.

[beelzebub]

^Nicely said!

Dakota, your my favorite person here at BullShit.com!

(ps - Beelzebub, your my second favorite. OK, i lied)

Thanks sug... even if it is a lie :-)

[Dakota]

I'm not self important, the world does not revolve around me. Although I can see how it does for you. [QUOTE=who897]

Actually for me the world doesn't revolve around me or any individual. That is one of the main reasons why I disagree with abortion - one of the most selfish acts known to men. Only when it's all about me, MY convenience, MY career, MY slim figure, me, me, me can I go on and kill another human life that is growing inside of me.
All I was saying is - I was meant to be here and I'm here for a purpose - not by mistake and I am not a random coincidence. And whether you like it or not - the same is true for you.

[QUOTE=who897] Now as not being happy or feel good, everyone's got good days and everyone's got bad days, in other words, I have no freakin idea what the hell that crap was all about.[QUOTE=who897]

That crap was about someone, who believes, that they're worthless, random and essentially nothing but a stupid virus, has many many more bad days than good. And even their good days ain't all that ...

[QUOTE=who897] Apartently your not getting the jist of everything I'm saying. [QUOTE=who897]

Oh no! Unfortunately I'm getting it just fine.

[QUOTE=who897] Plus what does it matter if someone murders some one or something else to all yall. [QUOTE=who897]

What does it matter to me if someone murders someone??? As long as there is the possibility that the one being murdered is my daughter or my husband or anybody else I love - It pretty much matters more than almost anything else! Also I really kind of don't wanna to be murdered myself.
Do you care if someone murders you or anybody you're close to? Do you care if I murder someone you love? Or is there nobody you love?

[QUOTE=who897] Will what ever is killed **cough cough gag** soul (bullshit) go to heaven like yall talk about. [QUOTE=who897]

I've never talked about heaven. So not sure where you get this from. Making it up as we go along, are we??

[QUOTE=who897] Simple. Let us worry about our conduct and you worry bout yours. [QUOTE=who897]

I DO WORRY about YOUR conduct though. You don't seem to think there is anything wrong with killing children. You are basically saying it's none of my business if you go out and start killing 6 months old babies. Well, I got news for you - it IS my business because I happen to have a 6 months old daughter. YOUR conduct IS my business because clearly with your attitude you conduct may very well affect my life!

[QUOTE=who897] As a human you are a virus to the earth. [QUOTE=who897]

Well, I'm not even toatllly disagreeing with you if this is meant figuretively. There's no denying it, we are destroying this beautiful planet - slowly but surely. I thought we were talking biology though ...

[QUOTE=who897] I just don't understand how you all can not see the common sense and logic in the fact that abortions should be status quo. [QUOTE=who897]

Well with this logic humans will be extinct pretty soon. Had your logic been put in effect sooner - we'd be extinct already. This kind of "logic" is what makes some humans stupider than any kind of animal on earth. They ALL know and understand that their number one priority in life is to keep the species alive.

[QUOTE=who897] Please don't pray for me, it will only lead you to one conclusion, aint no one up there listening, never was. [QUOTE=who897]

We'll see ;) ...

[QUOTE=who897] Also, if when a womens water breaks you catch all that embriodic fluid, and fry it up, will it taste like egg whites? Just a thought.

Uuhhh - when they had my water break it really didn't look like something I wanted to fry ... In some countries they fry and eat the placenta though ... bon appetite :)

[REPTILE]

*Beelzebub - "Thanks sug... even if it is a lie :-)"

Your cool dude. I like your slick responses, especially when you and BBO go at it, LOL.

[who897]

U just made everything revolve around you. Nice, proved my point for me. Thanks.

[Dakota]

U just made everything revolve around you. Nice, proved my point for me. Thanks.


Uuuhh - where do you get that? I asked you a bunch of questions and gave you points to think about and respond to.
How about doing that for a change instead of blurting out BULLSHIT.

[Dakota]

Hey Everybody,

Did anybody else feel that I made everyting revlove around me with this last post? All I said was that if someone threatens my loved ones or myself then that IS my business. Please people let me know - does that mean the I'm making everything revlove around me??? I'm very open to hearing your opinions and reasons for your answer. I'm always wiling to take a second look at myself. There's obviously always room for improvement ...

[beelzebub]

Hey Everybody, Did anybody else feel that I made everyting revlove around me with this last post? All I said was that if someone threatens my loved ones or myself then that IS my business. Please people let me know - does that mean the I'm making everything revlove around me??? I'm very open to hearing your opinions and reasons for your answer. I'm always wiling to take a second look at myself. There's obviously always room for improvement ...

Listen... this forum is all about you and your thoughts on topics. Don’t let yourself allow someone to make you believe different. That’s a tactic used to make you self doubt.
I see this as a way to test your thoughts and logic on topics. There are many on here (esp. GS and BBO) that have challenged me on my opinions and have helped me strengthen my resolve or change opinion.

[Dakota]

Listen... this forum is all about you and your thoughts on topics. Don’t let yourself allow someone to make you believe different. That’s a tactic used to make you self doubt.
I see this as a way to test your thoughts and logic on topics. There are many on here (esp. GS and BBO) that have challenged me on my opinions and have helped me strengthen my resolve or change opinion.


Thanks for your support Beelzebub. I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate that!

While I have many thoughts and opinions that certainly no one on this forum could change my mind on, I also believe in being open to criticism and re-evaluating oneself.

This guy claims he got from what I said that I believe the world revolves around me. I was just really curious if everybody else gathered that as well. If so - it certainly wouldn't change my opinions on things, but I'd have to look at how I'm wording my arguments, since something contrary of what I believe came across.

Anyways - Thanks again.
Hope your Chemistry class is going well :)

[who897]

Wow. (That was it but this has to be 10 characters or more)

[beelzebub]

Thanks for your support Beelzebub. I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate that!

Anyways - Thanks again.
Hope your Chemistry class is going well :)

You are welcome sug....

Chemistry is going well. I love that class! My students are wonderful.