Hastert resign? Now that's Bullshit!!

[quadsixes]

Welcome to Election 2006. No political agenda or vision for the future needed. All you need is a good scandal to tag onto an entire party. This year's freak show -- Mark Foley. It's amazing... one perv from Florida hits on a 16-year-old page, and the entire Republican party is responsible? I will be very disappointed if THIS is what gives Democrats control of the House, like many "polls" are saying. If you voted GOP in the last election, is this scandal going to change your vote this time around?

[beelzebub]

Welcome to Election 2006. No political agenda or vision for the future needed. All you need is a good scandal to tag onto an entire party. This year's freak show -- Mark Foley. It's amazing... one perv from Florida hits on a 16-year-old page, and the entire Republican party is responsible? I will be very disappointed if THIS is what gives Democrats control of the House, like many "polls" are saying. If you voted GOP in the last election, is this scandal going to change your vote this time around?[/COLOR] [/FONT]


I have to say that I am tickled pink over the fall of the Republicans. How the mighty have fallen :D They touted themselves as morally pure or better then Democrats! HAHAHAHAH They are just the same... hell!! THEY might be worse!

Look at this list of 34 REPUBLICAN SCANDALS (http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html?pn=1)


I hope that all those assholes are voted RIGHT OUT OF OFFICE!

[normlman]

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[freakazoid]

I have to say that I am tickled pink over the fall of the Republicans. How the mighty have fallen :D They touted themselves as morally pure or better then Democrats! HAHAHAHAH They are just the same... hell!! THEY might be worse!

Look at this list of 34 REPUBLICAN SCANDALS (http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html?pn=1)


I hope that all those assholes are voted RIGHT OUT OF OFFICE!
LMAO!!! Typical DUMB Demo-rat...quick to call out problems with the Republicans and VERY quick to cover up their own...

Oh oh, lets not talk about these, eh beelzebub! :D Enjoy...

:: Democrat Scandals...
William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate
Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.
Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.
Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.
James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.
Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.
Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelmanand his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator
Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.
James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.
Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.
Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.
Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.
Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

And the list goes on and on and on!!!

Want more? See - http://boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

[normlman]

...so I guess we have enough evidence here to substantiate that anyone claiming allegiance to either goddamned party is fool-fucking-idiot.

[freakazoid]

...so I guess we have enough evidence here to substantiate that anyone claiming allegiance to either goddamned party is fool-fucking-idiot.

That is for damn sure!

[General Septem]

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I agree with this guy:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=repubs

:D

[England Expects]

There's ao old saying that if you have the ambition to be a polititian, you're probably unfit to be one!

What you need is a model of Government that doesn't require political parties. How about using the 20th Century Soviet model, or give the US to Castro or Chavez?

I reckon that would work.

[freakazoid]

There's ao old saying that if you have the ambition to be a polititian, you're probably unfit to be one!

What you need is a model of Government that doesn't require political parties. How about using the 20th Century Soviet model, or give the US to Castro or Chavez?

I reckon that would work.

So we can have universal poverty, tyranny and oppression? Nope, no thanks! I would rather have to deal with a few assholes in office in a democratic free society by "voting the bums out."

[General Septem]

There's ao old saying that if you have the ambition to be a polititian, you're probably unfit to be one!

What you need is a model of Government that doesn't require political parties. How about using the 20th Century Soviet model, or give the US to Castro or Chavez?

I reckon that would work.
Anarchy would also work if people weren't so selfish as to abuse it. :D

[freakazoid]

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I agree with this guy:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=repubs

:D

Same here, Libertarian Party...we believe in letting people run their own lives. :D

[England Expects]

So would communism if people weren't so greedy.

Tyrrany, oppression and poverty are the US's biggest exports.

[freakazoid]

So would communism if people weren't so greedy.

Tyrrany, oppression and poverty are the US's biggest exports.
Oh, really, you mean the same U.S. that has given untold billions of dollars in foreign aid for decades and the lives of it's people to protect freedom and self rule and democracy all over the world? That U.S.? ...just curious.

[England Expects]

"Oh, really, you mean the same U.S. that has given untold billions of dollars in foreign ad for decades and the lives of it's people to protect freedom and self rule and democracy all over the world? That U.S.? ...just curious."

Take your blinkers off.

The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

The US that for years protected the Fascist dictator Baptista in Cuba, who kept Cubans in austerity, because he was in the pocket of the United Fruit Company.

The US that supports a military Junta in Pakistan, because he says nasty things about Bin Laden.

The US that was selling arms to Nazi Germany until 1941 (arms that would later kill ordinary American forces). What better way to work your way out of the depression.

The US, who's President's family and friends have huge amounts of money invested in an arms company, who's profits have gone through the roof because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If that's your beacon of freedom and democracy then give me marxism anyday.

[freakazoid]

"Oh, really, you mean the same U.S. that has given untold billions of dollars in foreign ad for decades and the lives of it's people to protect freedom and self rule and democracy all over the world? That U.S.? ...just curious."

Take your blinkers off.

The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

The US that for years protected the Fascist dictator Baptista in Cuba, who kept Cubans in austerity, because he was in the pocket of the United Fruit Company.

The US that supports a military Junta in Pakistan, because he says nasty things about Bin Laden.

The US that was selling arms to Nazi Germany until 1941 (arms that would later kill ordinary American forces). What better way to work your way out of the depression.

The US, who's President's family and friends have huge amounts of money invested in an arms company, who's profits have gone through the roof because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If that's your beacon of freedom and democracy then give me marxism anyday.

Now that IS REAL BULLSHIT! :mad::eek:

The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

Answer - That's their problem, if they tried a real democracy maybe they would have a better society. We can't fix the whole damn world. Some people will just have to fix their own problems.

The US that for years protected the Fascist dictator Baptista in Cuba, who kept Cubans in austerity, because he was in the pocket of the United Fruit Company.

Answer - Damn right we did, anything was better than a commie prick like Castro! Too bad we didn't get rid of the asshole.

The US that supports a military Junta in Pakistan, because he says nasty things about Bin Laden.

Answer - Cool, the enemy of my enemy is my friend! "...he may be a bastard, but he's our bastard." ...Simple common sense.

The US that was selling arms to Nazi Germany until 1941 (arms that would later kill ordinary American forces). What better way to work your way out of the depression.

Answer - Proof please. Oh, have none? Oh well. Arms or raw materials? There is a big difference, we were NOT at war with Germany at that time, dumb dumb. We sold raw materials to a lot of countries; free countries do that.

The US, who's President's family and friends have huge amounts of money invested in an arms company, who's profits have gone through the roof because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Answer - And your point is...?

If that's your beacon of freedom and democracy then give me marxism anyday.

Answer - Cool, enjoy Uncle Joe's Gulag, commie fool!! Marxism is dead, get a life and try freedom.

[General Septem]

The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

Not that I don't hate America (and I do), but if we went into Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur, and Zimbabwe the same way we went into Iraq, we'd get taken the piss out of for invading them. And if we hadn't gone into Iraq, we'd probably get taken the piss out of for letting atrocities happen there, too.

[REPTILE]

I dont trust any politician. They all make promises, but once the election is won its their game. They rule OVER us (instead of everyone being equal), they're greedy, theyre lame, and theyre all a bunch of old, ugly, bald, perverted fucks. I love the ideology behind America, except in reality greed consumes our leaders. We can't even DARE consider communism, my family is Cuban and let me tell you that shit DOES NOT work and will never work unless someone like Jesus or Ghandi were leaders of the ruling political party. Fuck Castro and all other commies, a bunch of murderous thieves is what they all are. I dont trust the Government, but I do have to say that the American system is probably the best.

The masses (ordinary people) of this country lost control gradually, its not our fault as we have to goto work, come home, and deal with all kinds of shit everywhere in between. Most people dont have time to research everything and make sure that our politicians are doing whats best, we have to make time for this. The only chance this country has is to regain control and keep a very tight leash on ploitics, show them that WE (the masses) run the show. If we dont regain control soon, the New World Order will be successful and we'll be slaves to our governments.

[REPTILE]

"Don't Steal, The Government Hates Competition"

[England Expects]

"The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

Answer - That's their problem, if they tried a real democracy maybe they would have a better society. We can't fix the whole damn world. Some people will just have to fix their own problems."

So if there is oil or gas in a country its ok to invade. If not, then its their own problem.

"The US that for years protected the Fascist dictator Baptista in Cuba, who kept Cubans in austerity, because he was in the pocket of the United Fruit Company.

Answer - Damn right we did, anything was better than a commie prick like Castro! Too bad we didn't get rid of the asshole."

Another example of America raping a poor country. Castro swept into power because the regime that you supported was starving its people to death. Its not that you "didn't" get rid of him. More like you couldn't. When you tried, you got your asses kicked.

"The US that was selling arms to Nazi Germany until 1941 (arms that would later kill ordinary American forces). What better way to work your way out of the depression.

Answer - Proof please. Oh, have none? Oh well. Arms or raw materials? There is a big difference, we were NOT at war with Germany at that time, dumb dumb. We sold raw materials to a lot of countries; free countries do that."

Have a read of this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Surely you agree its wrong to supply arms to a regime who is commiting genocide?

"The US, who's President's family and friends have huge amounts of money invested in an arms company, who's profits have gone through the roof because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Answer - And your point is...?"

My point is, I think its wrong to send ordinary Americans to their deaths in a war which was deliberately started just to increase the polititians personal wealth.

Your right though. Marxism is dead. Just dont delude yourself that what you have is freedom.

[freakazoid]

"The U.S that stands by while attrocities are being committed in Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur and Zimbabwe, because they dont have any natural resources to exploit.

Answer - That's their problem, if they tried a real democracy maybe they would have a better society. We can't fix the whole damn world. Some people will just have to fix their own problems."

So if there is oil or gas in a country its ok to invade. If not, then its their own problem.

"The US that for years protected the Fascist dictator Baptista in Cuba, who kept Cubans in austerity, because he was in the pocket of the United Fruit Company.

Answer - Damn right we did, anything was better than a commie prick like Castro! Too bad we didn't get rid of the asshole."

Another example of America raping a poor country. Castro swept into power because the regime that you supported was starving its people to death. Its not that you "didn't" get rid of him. More like you couldn't. When you tried, you got your asses kicked.

"The US that was selling arms to Nazi Germany until 1941 (arms that would later kill ordinary American forces). What better way to work your way out of the depression.

Answer - Proof please. Oh, have none? Oh well. Arms or raw materials? There is a big difference, we were NOT at war with Germany at that time, dumb dumb. We sold raw materials to a lot of countries; free countries do that."

Have a read of this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Surely you agree its wrong to supply arms to a regime who is commiting genocide?

"The US, who's President's family and friends have huge amounts of money invested in an arms company, who's profits have gone through the roof because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Answer - And your point is...?"

My point is, I think its wrong to send ordinary Americans to their deaths in a war which was deliberately started just to increase the polititians personal wealth.

Your right though. Marxism is dead. Just dont delude yourself that what you have is freedom.
It comes down to this; When the United States stands by and does nothing people like you say "It's America fault, they should have done this, they should have done that!" And...when we jump in an do what has to be done (like Iraq), you yell and claim "See all the terrible things America is doing!," Yes, that might be a little on the "either/or mentality" side of looking at things, but it's an old story and true none the less. No matter what we do, moron's like you find fault in it. Having explained this to you; it is my reason for saying loudly...PISS OFF, EURO-TRASH! :mad: We're tired of your complaining.

[England Expects]

Euro-trash:D

I like that!

What really pisses the world off is that you only intervene where there is money to be made.

[freakazoid]

Euro-trash:D

I like that!

What really pisses the world off is that you only intervene where there is money to be made.

Really, you think? Like when we saved your asses (and the rest of Europe) during WWII? You mean "making money" like that? Do tell.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

What really pisses the world off is that you only intervene where there is money to be made.

Tell me, does your country even intervene period? It's easy to sit on the side pointing out the faults of others, anyone can do that. We help out certain other countries that we intervene with, even if we may be going in for personal profit, it just becomes a fair trade-off. It's common business logic. You don't spend a dollar on something unless you know it is going to return more to you than the worth of the original dollar. If we went around trying to fix everyone's problems, regardless of whether it would return anything for us, we'd become a third world nation in no time because we'd be completely unable to fund the effort.

England and the rest of Europe needs to lower their noses about 45 degrees and realize this.

[freakazoid]

Euro-trash:D

I like that!

What really pisses the world off is that you only intervene where there is money to be made.

PS, welcome to the board, England Expects. We have a gay member; now we have a resident commie dup. :D

[England Expects]

"Really, you think? Like when we saved your asses (and the rest of Europe) during WWII? You mean "making money" like that? Do tell."

If you hadnt spent so long "making money", Hitler wouldn't have taken Europe.

As for saving our asses, you're kidding right? Hitler had almost given up trying to take Britain. We'd decimated the Luftwaffe and the Royal Navy were comfotably holding the English Channel. He decided for an all out assault on Russia and got as far as Staligrad. After which the Russians pushed them back and took Berlin.

The Soviets won WWII.

BBO, of course we intervene. We supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We also had to push for intervension in Kosovo to save Muslim lives.

It's good that you can accept that the U.S's military is a tool for making money. The problem with that is it that you pay your taxes to make money for the shareholders of companies like Carlysle and Halliburton. This moey doent go to the American people it makes them (Bush and Cheney) richer.

Thanks for the welcome Freakazoid, I'm not a commie though. I just think our polititians lie to us and in return for our votes, we deserve the truth.

[freakazoid]

"Really, you think? Like when we saved your asses (and the rest of Europe) during WWII? You mean "making money" like that? Do tell."

If you hadnt spent so long "making money", Hitler wouldn't have taken Europe.

As for saving our asses, you're kidding right? Hitler had almost given up trying to take Britain. We'd decimated the Luftwaffe and the Royal Navy were comfotably holding the English Channel. He decided for an all out assault on Russia and got as far as Staligrad. After which the Russians pushed them back and took Berlin.

The Soviets won WWII.

BBO, of course we intervene. We supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We also had to push for intervension in Kosovo to save Muslim lives.

It's good that you can accept that the U.S's military is a tool for making money. The problem with that is it that you pay your taxes to make money for the shareholders of companies like Carlysle and Halliburton. This moey doent go to the American people it makes them (Bush and Cheney) richer.

Thanks for the welcome Freakazoid, I'm not a commie though. I just think our polititians lie to us and in return for our votes, we deserve the truth.
RE: "If you hadnt spent so long "making money", Hitler wouldn't have taken Europe."

Oh oh, here we go again...let's all line up and blame the Yanks! The United States is the one at fault...bla bla bla. We have heard it all before! Give me a break, England Expects; if your prime Minister, Neville Chamberlin, hadn't kissed hitler's ass and acted like a pussy, the whole damn war in Europe could have been avoided..."peace in our time" ...yeah, right!!! NOT!

[freakazoid]

RE: "As for saving our asses, you're kidding right? Hitler had almost given up trying to take Britain. We'd decimated the Luftwaffe and the Royal Navy were comfotably holding the English Channel. He decided for an all out assault on Russia and got as far as Staligrad. After which the Russians pushed them back and took Berlin."

No one has said you (Britain) didn't play your part, you did indeed (and very well), but without U.S. help, you would have probably lost the war with hitler. Of that, there is little debate. You did decimate the Luftwaffe, but with help from pilots from several countries including the U.S. ...and, have you forgotten Lend-Lease?

No one has said that Great Britain did not play a major role in defeating hitler, Italy and the Japanese, British troops disgingushed themselves over and over, and also played a major role on D-day and many other WWII fields of battle (including, as you say...the battles fought by the Royal Navy), but again, you needed U.S. help to win WWII.

PS, I know, because my Father fought in the British Army, as did two of my Uncles.

[normlman]

RE: "If you hadnt spent so long "making money", Hitler wouldn't have taken Europe."

Oh oh, here we go again...let's all line up and blame the Yanks! The United States is the one at fault...bla bla bla. We have heard it all before! Give me a break, England Expects; if your prime Minister, Neville Chamberlin, hadn't kissed hitler's ass and acted like a pussy, the whole damn war in Europe could have been avoided..."peace in our time" ...yeah, right!!! NOT!

The past is dead, unchangeable. History is of our making now.
With no intentions of dispute with active members of this thread, let's stop arguing for the sake of debate and try to develop a feasible plan of working together as a team. Europe or Eurabia, whatever the hell your calling yourselves now'adays is not so much in a position to display political, economical, or social examplary actions. A little girl was stoned, not lethally, at the Jean-Mermoz school in Lyon,France, for not observing Ramadan?? WTF is that obsurd action about? What form of government would allow such pre-historic religous action to take place? (I realize England and France are not the same country here, but is France that fukking much of a topspin?)
And the U.S., the global business office of the world, <eyeroll>. .. .allowing businesses to "move shop" to another country for cheaper labor wages, leaving the working-American unemployed. -Globalization may be viewed as the growth opportunity for a business or organization, but what in bleeding hell does'nt world economist see -- this weakening action on an economy, and justly speak up? The world today is plagued with viable point's of argument, but instead of following suit w/ an instigated arguement. ... .We as inhabitant's of Earth should view more stringent environmental values, and thus find logical answers instead of chasing the $$$$Loot$$$$. As a people, various government's should learn how it is more beneficial to work together.

I must confess, it's an entertaining sit, to read thru all of the -BS members- diffferent views
-but seriously folk's. YOU ALL seem well-read, and brilliant in you own right. Is it more wise to retaliate to an argument, or devise a plan of compromise. I'm not sure 'Big Government' will ever not be a part of civil society...But if your all as wise as you like to portray--let's figure out how we can take our world 'back'. I fully support 'we the people' of the United States of America regaining control of our nation. However, I'm not knowledgeable enough of European policies to have an educated opinion.

Is it really the 'best answer' to keep on extending our global grasps until the lines that differentiate governments is no longer there?


..well that's about all I got to spout out fer now, but hopefully one of yoohoo's will plugg out an enlightened view on the matter.

regards,

NORMLman.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

[England Expects]

Great post normlman.

England and France have completely different attitudes towards the Muslim immigrant population. In France, it's illegal to wear any kind of religious symbol in a public place (be it a Muslim veil, Turban or even a crucifix) and I believe this causes their communities to be insular and even more unlikely to integrate into society. In Paris recently there have been riots by Muslims who live in their own areas of the city, are generally unemployed and forgotten by their govenerment. I'm not saying we dont have problems here (as the London bombing show) but here its a very small minority of people who can't integrate.

Freakazoid, your right we needed US help. Just dont kid yourselves that you came into the war like a whole army of "John Rambo's" and "saved our asses".

We all saved each other's asses, and that includes the Russians.

By the time you guys came in, Hitler was stuck into a losing battle with Stalin which to which he diverted forces from the western front. If he hadn't done that he would have taken Britain and we all would have been fucked.

[normlman]

England and France have completely different attitudes towards the Muslim immigrant population. In France, it's illegal to wear any kind of religious symbol in a public place (be it a Muslim veil, Turban or even a crucifix) and I believe this causes their communities to be insular and even more unlikely to integrate into society. In Paris recently there have been riots by Muslims who live in their own areas of the city, are generally unemployed and forgotten by their government.

wow! I didn't have a clue about France's banning in public places.
Interesting tid-bit 'Eng Expct', ....good-on-them.

regards,
NORMLman:cool:

[General Septem]

I didn't know that about France either, but I do know that it's just about impossible to swear in French without taking the Lord's name in vain. That's one reason I have no interest in learning the language - I refuse to take the Lord's name in vain but a language in which I can't swear is worthless to me.

[England Expects]

I didn't know that about France either, but I do know that it's just about impossible to swear in French without taking the Lord's name in vain. That's one reason I have no interest in learning the language - I refuse to take the Lord's name in vain but a language in which I can't swear is worthless to me.

Mon Dieu!

Zut alors!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3478895.stm

[normlman]

So if they're religious lifestyles are infringed upon, why do they even live there?
Are they afraid to unfuck their own country??
Is there some historical link for muslims in France?