View Full Version : Who created God?
hkdbadreligion
10-22-2006, 01:43 AM
............
who897
10-22-2006, 03:02 AM
Some asshole that was trying to get people to pay for his new home to live in.
hkdbadreligion
10-22-2006, 10:27 AM
And this asshole's name...?
who897
10-22-2006, 12:31 PM
I think his name was bob, he lives somewhere in Montana.
sanford
10-22-2006, 01:20 PM
I think his name was bob, he lives somewhere in Montana.
Has to be Bob Barker. :p
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/4141/barkergodjm8.png
Oh wait, I forgot he was Satan already.
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2479/barkerdevilga4.png
beelzebub
10-22-2006, 10:48 PM
............
People concerned with the control of others and afraid of what happens after you die.
who897
10-23-2006, 01:22 AM
People concerned with the control of others and afraid of what happens after you die.
I think he wanted the name of the people that created "God"
Bob
Bitch Of the Boat.
General Septem
10-23-2006, 07:25 AM
You did. Or you created what you think He is anyway.
death2chikins
10-23-2006, 09:17 AM
People concerned with the control of others and afraid of what happens after you die.
God is not interested in controlling anyone. That is why we have free will we choose to believe or not to believe. How can you be anyless controlling than that? Are you not concerned with what happens after death? Do you honestly believe that it ends at the grave that nothing exists afterward? If that is the case the please explain to me what the purpose of anything mankind has done. Art, music, civilization whould mean nothing. If indeed man has no soul and therefore no future beyond death than we truly are nothing more than animals and are therefore free to behave as such. Murder, rape, slavery, war, and canabalism whould all be natural states of all men since all of these occur in the animal kingdom as well.
But to get back to the question at hand. Who created God? Noone did he always existed and always will exist. He has no beginning therefore has no end.
ohreally
10-23-2006, 08:11 PM
The Easter Bunny created God. Just like God created the Easter Bunny. OH WAIT Wasn't that our parents .. but wouldn't that mean....
Deez_nutz
10-23-2006, 11:06 PM
There is no such thing as god. You can choose to believe in it if you wish to. I really don't care. I just hate it when that shit is pushed on to me, or people will tell me that since I do not believe that I will not go to "heaven". How does anyone know for certain if any of this truly exists? I am talking about beyond what your heart, church and parents have told you. Come on, something that has been around for 2000+ years has to eventually show up if we are "his children". Poor parenting skills if you ask me. Leaving all these "kids" alone for this amount of time.
Also, why have the animals of this planet done just fine for millions of years without praying to anything? Why did the dinosaurs last a helluva lot longer than humankind ever will and they had no god or faith? What about life on other planets? Hell, the same freak scientific events that led to life on this planet had to surely have happened on other planets. Or do you actually believe Earth is the center of the universe?
As far as the 2,000 years thing goes, He will make himself known through his son at some point in time. When that is we don't know, but it will happen someday.
About the animals, they were created different from man. Their role on this earth is totally different from our own.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:09 AM
Hey chicken plucker, I spy a little lie, or prehaps a little deception. Me thinks that your god does in fact control something the "ANGLES" lest we forget lucifer aye booby.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:10 AM
As far as the 2,000 years thing goes, He will make himself known through his son at some point in time. When that is we don't know, but it will happen someday.
About the animals, they were created different from man. Their role on this earth is totally different from our own.
Hey man do what ever ya gotta do to boost your own moral. Your still an idiot in my book my little turtle dove.
You want to think I'm an idiot? Fine. Doesn't change the fact that I'm speaking the truth whether you want to believe it or not.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:17 AM
The only truth you are speaking is the truth you believe. It does not mean it is the truth that is true to the world, or even something that truely exist my little chicken dumpling
And there's the problem. When there is no truth, you get a mob rules mentality, that you can do whatever you want regardless of whether it's right or not. All that does is create more problems in the world, which is what we have now.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:23 AM
So no matter what I do I am always wrong? Ohh there lies the problem..... how bout no, how bout, when people don't follow the laws of MAN, there is disorder my little cupcake sunshine
You hit the nail on the head. People aren't following laws at all. They're creating their own laws as they see fit, which defeats the purpose of having any laws in place to start with. They were put in place for a reason, and to change them just causes problems in so many ways.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:28 AM
See your talking bout your "gods" laws, I'm talking about men/women laws. It's so simple my little red ripe grape
Either way, there don't seem to be any laws at all. People do what they want when they want to do it, regardless of the consequences. And because of that lack of a law in society, everything is turned upside down.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:31 AM
Crawl outta that little rock and pock your head outside, things aren't really that bad my little sugar plum
Oh really? Then why are millions of innocent babies being killed each and every day? Why is there so much violence in the world today? I could go on and on here, there are a ton of problems that need fixing.
who897
10-24-2006, 01:38 AM
Because they deserved it. Because man is a violent creature. But what about all the doctors saving lives, all the Coasties saving lives, the Army & Marine Corp trying to establish a democracy in a country, UN trying to peacfully keep people from getting nukes, head start programs, volenteer fire departments and EMT's, good sameritains, I could go on and on here my little chocolate truffle.
Why does something that hasn't even been born yet deserve to die?
who897
10-24-2006, 07:46 PM
That's just the way it is, it was meant to be. Yall believe in destiny, then there, that is your answer, it was destined.
That's just wrong. If it was destined to not be born then it would be miscarried. Otherwise it deserves to be born.
who897
10-24-2006, 07:56 PM
If someone is hunting a deer, (which I think is acceptable to yall cuz I know plenty of relgious dingle berries that do), with a bow and arrow, they shoot at it, miss, hit some other guy minding his own buisness, say just walking in the woods. Wouldn't that be considered your "destiny"? Same difference, that fetus was in the wrong place at the wrong time, better luck next time little clump of cells, see all so simple for ya my little gingerbread snaps.
That's a little different, maybe it was that person's time. But that baby doesn't even get that respect of having a chance to live until God is ready to call him or her back to Him. Like I said if the woman isn't meant to have it, it will be miscarried. Otherwise, that baby was meant to be there, and should be treated as such.
General Septem
10-24-2006, 08:02 PM
If someone is hunting a deer, (which I think is acceptable to yall cuz I know plenty of relgious dingle berries that do), with a bow and arrow, they shoot at it, miss, hit some other guy minding his own buisness, say just walking in the woods. Wouldn't that be considered your "destiny"? Same difference, that fetus was in the wrong place at the wrong time, better luck next time little clump of cells, see all so simple for ya my little gingerbread snaps.
No, that would be an accidental death. Abortion is the direct and intentional termination of a life. It would be more like if the hunter was aiming at the other guy on purpose because he was in the way.
And yes, hunting is fine.
who897
10-25-2006, 12:33 AM
Ohh woops, the doctor accidently stuck a vacuume up a womans vagina, and wouldn't you know it, sucked out a fetus. Dang, what an accident.
who897
10-25-2006, 12:44 AM
I think you are wasting time. You should be living your life instead of trying to talk to something that aint there.
I do live my life thank you, but at the same time I want to show other people that there is more out there then they think. To go beyond their comfort zone. So that they can share in my joy. Granted I'm not perfect, but having God in life helps me through the tough times.
who897
10-25-2006, 12:55 AM
I know, I too believe that their could be aliens out there, wouldn't that be cool some E.T. son o bitches. That's a crock of shit, your joy, outta our confort zones, come on now, just cuz you aint religious doesn't mean you don't have joy. I'm sorry, but the only people sitting in thier own little comfort zone are the religoius folks. Those little bastards wanna make my work place a no cussing zone, because thier god thinks those things are bad. Welcome to my little zone of Fuck you and and if jesus comes back we'll kill him again.
The cussing thing isn't just because it's bad, but it's just common respect for others. There are people out there (myself included) that would rather not hear language like that. It's not just because it's bad (though it is), but it's common courtesy for others as well.
As far as the joy thing goes, I'm not saying if you aren't religious you won't have some happiness in your life, but I mean that by being religious you'll have more of it. You'll understand just why we believe what we believe, and find that it makes more sense then you thought.
who897
10-25-2006, 01:05 AM
How would you know, have you ever been not religous. Joy does not stem from religion. Joy comes from what an individual finds the most fufilling.
Actually I think you fuck shit's just need to grow up, it's fucking words, if your gonna go through life being offended by some words maybe putting some fucking ear plugs in will help, wait you already do that when people show you that you are wrong and that god doesn't exist.
You obviously don't understand it, I pray that one day you will.
PS: Yes there was a time when I really wasn't religious. I was born and raised Lutheran, and though I went to church (catholic masses with my dad) I never really got it that much. Only when I converted to the catholic faith did I begin to understand.
who897
10-25-2006, 01:07 AM
I hope one day I get to tea bag jesus. I guess we are both dreamers then.
death2chikins
10-25-2006, 08:17 AM
Hey chicken plucker, I spy a little lie, or prehaps a little deception. Me thinks that your god does in fact control something the "ANGLES" lest we forget lucifer aye booby.
Not sure if God controls "angles" or not i will have to ask my geometry prof.
I don't ever remember studying math in church but maybe i was sick that day.
Then again since you mentioned Lucifer i can only assume you mean angels. That is a question i think i can answer. Angels like man have free will. Some chose to follow God others like Lucifer did not. God does not control these angels but allows them to exist just like he allows us to. When God decides to end this world they will face the same judgment as those who have rejected him here on Earth.
And perhaps next time you decide to use religion to disprove my arguments if its not to much trouble could you please at the very least know a little something what your talking about.
death2chikins
10-25-2006, 08:54 AM
Who897 you claim that we christians close or ears when someone "proves" God does not exist. I have read several of your post as well as others and I have yet to find anyone on here who proves he does not.
You talk of proof but offer none. Atleast when we christians talk of knowing he does exist we admit our knowledge comes from faith "something that can not be pyhiscally proven". You claim your proof comes from science "something that can be pyhiscally proven". But again you offer up none. Why is that? If it is there as you say it is then is it not as simple as aleast telling us where we can find it? Or is it that your knowledge of such "proof" is so limited that by posting it you will be the one proven wrong by us christians? I have heard you as well as others claim religion breeds violence but from what i have seen it is you a nonbeliever who verbally attack christians. Why is that? Do you feel that threaten by us that you feel the need to lash out against anyone claiming faith? I have also read where you claim that praying to God is somehow disrespectful of the soldiers who fight for us. But here to you fail to show how? How can one ever be connected to the other? Is it disrepectful to airplane pilots and aircraft engineers to admire birds? No, why? Because they are two very different things. So is whorshipping God and honoring those soldiers. You reach for reasons why faith is wrong but offer up nothing but your own unvalidated claims in which case why is our faith not worthy of consideration. If you want to place man above all other things that is your choice but to denounce someone else for not thinking the same as you is the very thing you say chrisitans do.
who897
10-25-2006, 10:50 AM
Never said I was gonna prove god didn't exist. Yep, we are violent, cuz we verbally attack people, come on now, that's like havin a war with nerf footballs. And us feel threaten by yall, prehaps be cause we know what kinda evil religion breeds. Plus, are you all threatened by homosexuality, you talk bad about it, prehaps yall have some homosexual desires. You talk about proof, where is yours? Again I never said I was the best speller in the world. Hey if you are gonna correct my spelling, and tell me to know what the hell I'm talking about, could you at least check your grammar before you post something to me, you completely ommited a word.
death2chikins
10-25-2006, 03:29 PM
Never said I was gonna prove god didn't exist. Yep, we are violent, cuz we verbally attack people, come on now, that's like havin a war with nerf footballs. And us feel threaten by yall, prehaps be cause we know what kinda evil religion breeds. Plus, are you all threatened by homosexuality, you talk bad about it, prehaps yall have some homosexual desires. You talk about proof, where is yours? Again I never said I was the best speller in the world. Hey if you are gonna correct my spelling, and tell me to know what the hell I'm talking about, could you at least check your grammar before you post something to me, you completely ommited a word.
Perhaps you never said you were gonna prove God didn't exist but you did keep saying that science has proven it by doing so you implied the proof is there but by not providing that proof when asked for it one can only assume that such proof doesn't exist. Christians have only faith to prove God that is something we admit readily. You claim that there is solid proof all I am asking is where it is. At the very least if you can not think of an argument that sustains your belief other than to keep saying that science has proved that and science has proved this. Then your argument is mute had has no validation whatsoever. It's like saying the sky is really orange not blue but offering no explantion why it appears blue.
As far as your grammer goes i never claimed to be an English major either but the difference between the word you wrote and the word you meant was just to good an oppurnity to pass up. I am not perfect never claimed to be but i thought it was funny.
who897
10-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Evolution, earth being the center of the universe, dinosaurs, masterbation, earth being flat, etc etc etc.
That is a terible metophore. How do you know I don't see blue like you see orange but think of orange as blue? That would be a matter of perspective. Plus we can both see the sky, we both know it's there.
Ape-Shit
10-26-2006, 08:28 AM
The Christian Proof that God exist revolves completely around a book, which was written man, re-written by man and re-written by man, etc.
There are other books, also written by man, simular in nature on other religions as well.
Yet, no Religion has been able to produce any hard core evidence that a God really exist.
Now with that being said, either show me the proof or shut up!
General Septem
10-26-2006, 08:42 AM
The Christian Proof that God exist revolves completely around a book, which was written man, re-written by man and re-written by man, etc.
There are other books, also written by man, simular in nature on other religions as well.
Yet, no Religion has been able to produce any hard core evidence that a God really exist.
Now with that being said, either show me the proof or shut up!
I see God every day and I hardly ever read the Bible, so that's not where my proof lies.
who897
10-26-2006, 10:23 AM
Ok, LSD does not count in seeing god everyday. And if you aren't taking drugs and you see a big burly guy in the sky, might wanna check yerself into a clinic of some sort.
General Septem
10-26-2006, 12:24 PM
And if you aren't taking drugs and you see a big burly guy in the sky, might wanna check yerself into a clinic of some sort.
I tend to agree, but that has nothing to do with seeing God.
Ape-Shit
10-26-2006, 05:10 PM
I see God every day and I hardly ever read the Bible, so that's not where my proof lies.
OK GS, If you see GOD everyday, then the next time you see him how 'bout take his Picture and show it to everybody? Guess what? You want have a Picture will you?:p
General Septem
10-26-2006, 05:50 PM
OK GS, If you see GOD everyday, then the next time you see him how 'bout take his Picture and show it to everybody? Guess what? You want have a Picture will you?
Here you go:
http://www.jimwegryn.com/Photos/Mother%20and%20child.jpg
http://www.msu.edu/user/villafr1/photo/mother_child.jpg
http://sydney.fuller.name/photos/2005/2005-04-24--Hug.jpg
http://artweld.blogs.com/photos/dumpster_dancing/big_hug.JPG
These are just a few examples of what God looks like. Do you see Him?
who897
10-26-2006, 06:17 PM
Winnie the Poo, I think I seen it, I never thought Winnie the Poo was god. Wow, right on my TV all this time.
Mothers are gods in the eyes of children?
If there a freakin a million kids born a day, it sorta negates anything special about it. It's like finding a grain of sand on a beach.
Now, me getting laid, that's special :D
General Septem
10-26-2006, 06:22 PM
Winnie the Poo, I think I seen it, I never thought Winnie the Poo was god. Wow, right on my TV all this time.
Mothers are gods in the eyes of children?
If there a freakin a million kids born a day, it sorta negates anything special about it. It's like finding a grain of sand on a beach.
Now, me getting laid, that's special :D
You don't see Him? I see God very clear. How about another one then?
http://blogs.setonhill.edu/AnneStadler/Heather%20&%20Anne%20hug.jpg
If there a freakin a million kids born a day, it sorta negates anything special about it. It's like finding a grain of sand on a beach.
No that's different. Of all the grains of sand on the beach, most would agree that they're all the same. But of a million different kids, each one is different, with their own unique characteristics and personalities.
who897
10-26-2006, 06:30 PM
Just like everyone is unique, just like everyone else. No one is really all that special, all our personalities all our traits are learned from someone else. We just sorta pick up on a variety and use them more often.
I doubt that grains of sand really communicate back and forth, but I'll bite, mathmatically there will be a grain of sand exactly like another one, but since there is sooooo freaking much of it, like children, they really aren't all that special.
Hang on I gotta check out this webpage.
Gods wears pink? Wait a minute then there are 2 gods in that pic.
General Septem
10-26-2006, 06:32 PM
Gods wears pink? Wait a minute then there are 2 gods in that pic.
No... God is colorless. And there is only one God, you can see Him in all the pics I just posted. Do you see God yet?
who897
10-26-2006, 06:38 PM
I think this is a trick question, if I say no then you come up with something about how the no means that he is there, and if I say yes then you say I believe. So, I can't answer the question.
General Septem
10-26-2006, 06:40 PM
I think this is a trick question, if I say no then you come up with something about how the no means that he is there, and if I say yes then you say I believe. So, I can't answer the question.
Let me ask you this, then. What do you see in common in all of these pictures?
Just like everyone is unique, just like everyone else. No one is really all that special, all our personalities all our traits are learned from someone else. We just sorta pick up on a variety and use them more often.
Hold it right there, I think I know why people such as yourself are pro abortion. You don't believe a human being is very special, so in your mind it's ok to kill it before it's born into the world. What you don't realize is that we were all blessings from God, and were created for a specific reason. Whether it be to invent something that will change the world, become a priest or deacon, etc, that is our purpose in life. We weren't put here just to be here. So therefore, every single one of us is special, including the unborn.
who897
10-26-2006, 06:55 PM
I see some possible pediphiles, and some possible future homosexuals. Things that the church is supposidly against. That's what I see.
What I think you are looking for is people hugging.
And AJK, I may not think of people as being very special. I know that most people that are pro choice (I like how you did the pro abortion thing, cute) are compasionate people. This isn't an abortion thread so I'll leave that at that. Yeah, Hitler was special, god's own beautiful creation right.
General Septem
10-26-2006, 06:58 PM
I see some possible pediphiles, and some possible future homosexuals. Things that the church is supposidly against. That's what I see.
So you think this form of contact is always sexual, or are you being an ass on purpose?
Yes Hitler was, he just took God's free will and unfortunately abused that to his advantage.
And as far as the compassion, I don't see how someone can be compassionate and support murder at the same time.
who897
10-26-2006, 06:59 PM
That is because you have the shutters of faith on over your eyes. Very common condition with you folks.
Ok let me rephrase what I said before. I'm not saying a pro abortion (or "choice") person can't be compassionate at all. What I mean is if that person was truly compassionate, he or she would care about the life growing inside the mother, just as much as he or she cares for the mother.
freakazoid
10-26-2006, 09:30 PM
People concerned with the control of others and afraid of what happens after you die.
What does happen after you die, beelzebub? http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon5.gif
who897
10-27-2006, 12:51 AM
See, I don't rephrase anything I say. Why, because I mean what I say I say what I mean. I don't have to wait for someone elses reply to my self rightious posts to think about another way I could put it to make sense to myself. And this my friend is what seperates me from the terrible evils of theocracy (U know what I'm getting at even though I can't spell)
Dont practice theocracy practice democracy in the land of the free and the home of the brave. And practice it perfectly cuz perfect practice means perfect exicution. (once again the spelling)
General Septem
10-27-2006, 08:04 AM
See, I don't rephrase anything I say.
We only rephrase anything we say because you were too stupid to understand it the way we had it.
Ape-Shit
10-27-2006, 09:29 AM
We only rephrase anything we say because you were too stupid to understand it the way we had it.
I'll go along with the STUPID Part.
As for the Pictures of God, all I saw were Pictures of Humans. Again you failed to provide proof.
Hey Freak, re: Beelzebub, what happens after Death.
Simple, Total darkness and then you enter into HELL.:D
General Septem
10-27-2006, 09:38 AM
As for the Pictures of God, all I saw were Pictures of Humans. Again you failed to provide proof.
Am I the only one who sees God in those pictures? I think you need your eyes examined.
Then again, it's not what you can see with your eyes but what you can see with wisdom.
death2chikins
10-27-2006, 01:42 PM
See, I don't rephrase anything I say. Why, because I mean what I say I say what I mean. I don't have to wait for someone elses reply to my self rightious posts to think about another way I could put it to make sense to myself. And this my friend is what seperates me from the terrible evils of theocracy (U know what I'm getting at even though I can't spell)
Dont practice theocracy practice democracy in the land of the free and the home of the brave. And practice it perfectly cuz perfect practice means perfect exicution. (once again the spelling)
Democracy doesn't work above a really small group. The very nature of democracy creates a stale effect on a nation or group above that small number. This is the reason that the US or any Western world who speaks of democratic government are liers cause nowhere in the western world does a true democracy exist. We live in a republic not democratic society.
If you perfectly practice wrongly whouldn't the result be perfectly wrong?
who897
10-27-2006, 06:52 PM
Democratic Republic ok.
Only if you practice perfectly wrong. But then the exicution would still be perfect. And we all love perfection.
freakazoid
10-28-2006, 12:56 AM
I'll go along with the STUPID Part.
As for the Pictures of God, all I saw were Pictures of Humans. Again you failed to provide proof.
Hey Freak, re: Beelzebub, what happens after Death.
Simple, Total darkness and then you enter into HELL.:D
Shit, hope not, doesn't sound good. :Dhttp://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif
death2chikins
10-28-2006, 08:44 AM
Democratic Republic ok.
Only if you practice perfectly wrong. But then the exicution would still be perfect. And we all love perfection.
perfectly wrong is still wrong. so what use is it?
who897
10-28-2006, 12:28 PM
You all wrongly practice religion, so I ask what is the point of that?
General Septem
10-28-2006, 12:36 PM
You all wrongly practice religion
You don't know that.
freakazoid
10-28-2006, 03:38 PM
............
One thing is certain, it wasn't me. :D
ogeez
10-28-2006, 05:27 PM
ok im new here but allow me to comment... i totally agree with who897 on everything else.. and i too, would like to teabag jesus.. but besides the point... all christians, listen to me...read a history book, look at things as if there were no god, then try to believe.. i was a christian for twelve years and then finally woke up one day and said...hmmmm, this is bullshit
who897
10-28-2006, 06:23 PM
And you don't know it either. You may think you do, but you may be wrong. In which case, yall should just stop until something magically appears and says this is how you do it.
death2chikins
10-29-2006, 06:39 AM
ok im new here but allow me to comment... i totally agree with who897 on everything else.. and i too, would like to teabag jesus.. but besides the point... all christians, listen to me...read a history book, look at things as if there were no god, then try to believe.. i was a christian for twelve years and then finally woke up one day and said...hmmmm, this is bullshit
I read history books all the time. But i fail to see what history books have to do with God. History is a study of man not God so how can a history book tell me anything about the existance or non existance of God? To me it's like reading a book about birds and concluding that bats don't exist. it makes no sense. What does one have to do with the other?
death2chikins
10-29-2006, 06:44 AM
And you don't know it either. You may think you do, but you may be wrong. In which case, yall should just stop until something magically appears and says this is how you do it.
Again you completely miss the point of free will. If everything was laid out for us than we whould have no choices no free will. Without free will there whould be no point to existance at all.
who897
10-29-2006, 10:46 AM
So then what is the purpose of free will. Is that a word we came up with to justify your religious beliefs?
Dakota posted something about how she will force religion on her children, and schooling, and not touching fire, going to bed on time etc etc etc, I ask, where is the free will. Everything is laid out for you as a child, there is no free will there. So what is the point for a child to exist then?
Very contradicting you religious folks.
The purpose for being a kid is to learn what's right and what's wrong, and then use that knowledge for your own betterment as you get older and go on your own.
death2chikins
10-29-2006, 12:18 PM
So then what is the purpose of free will. Is that a word we came up with to justify your religious beliefs?
Free will is not just a term used in religion it is a concept used everyday by all people. From something as deciding between caffinated or decaf coffee to deciding if you obey the law or become a criminal. All things you do are because you want to do them because you choose to do them. Noone makes you post here or even told you to you chose to. That is free will.
Dakota posted something about how she will force religion on her children, and schooling, and not touching fire, going to bed on time etc etc etc, I ask, where is the free will. Everything is laid out for you as a child, there is no free will there. So what is the point for a child to exist then?
The point of a child existing is the same as for an adult. To live our lives the best we can in service to God. As far as Dakota forcing her will on her children i trust she will find that harder to do than to say. Forcing religion on anyone even children is counterprodutive under the best circumstances and we do not live in the best of circumstances. Teaching children to behave in a certain manner by example is a far better option. This I have learned from experiance.
Very contradicting you religious folks.
"Religious folks" like all folks hold their own opinion on things. We are no different than you except they we believe in a higher power and a higher purpose.
ohreally
10-29-2006, 01:57 PM
I am God. :P
who897
10-29-2006, 02:44 PM
[Quote] The point of a child existing is the same as for an adult. To live our lives the best we can in service to God. As far as Dakota forcing her will on her children i trust she will find that harder to do than to say. Forcing religion on anyone even children is counterprodutive under the best circumstances and we do not live in the best of circumstances. Teaching children to behave in a certain manner by example is a far better option. This I have learned from experiance.
That would be your opinion. The point of my life is not to live in the servie of a "god".
I hope so, I find it rather funny when a religious persons children go totally ape shit on their religion.
It's what is being taught that should be more closely examined. If you show compasion without saying it's gods will yadda yadda yadda, that to me is acceptable. Once you cross over that line of preaching, that is when it is forced.
death2chikins
10-29-2006, 05:05 PM
Perhaps i should have made myself more clear. Everything i post is my opinion or atleast my interpretation of the truth. It is the same for everyone here I am no exception.
I hope so, I find it rather funny when a religious persons children go totally ape shit on their religion.
This is why parents should use example not force of wills. People will more often rebel against anything they preceive as forcing their hand while discussion and examples will hopefully get those same people to think and decide for themselves. Children or no different.
It's what is being taught that should be more closely examined. If you show compasion without saying it's gods will yadda yadda yadda, that to me is acceptable. Once you cross over that line of preaching, that is when it is forced.
Preaching or teaching to a child or to anyone for that matter is not forceing religion on them but merely telling them how that person came to hold that belief.
who897
10-29-2006, 08:51 PM
No, there sould be absolutly no discussions about one's beliefs. Keep that to the internet w/ adults and which ever church you go to. Children should not be subject to such thoughts, let them decide for themselves when they get old enough, think of religion like sex, you wouldn't force a kid to do it, you let them experament on there own, with people their own age, and their own beliefs.
death2chikins
10-29-2006, 09:17 PM
No, there sould be absolutly no discussions about one's beliefs. Keep that to the internet w/ adults and which ever church you go to. Children should not be subject to such thoughts, let them decide for themselves when they get old enough, think of religion like sex, you wouldn't force a kid to do it, you let them experament on there own, with people their own age, and their own beliefs.
If you don't know both sides of an arugment than how can you decide which you believe to be right or wrong? Shouldn't parents teach their children about sex. Both pros and cons? So that when the time comes for that child to choose they can make an informed decision. When a christian takes the child to church to learn about God or talks to them about God is that not the same thing? You may not believe so but I do. When the child reaches the age of accountablity then they must choose to accept or not to accept God. It is up to the parents to decide what to teach their children but when all is said and done it's the childrens choice. Do they not deserve to aleast make an educated decision?
who897
10-29-2006, 10:11 PM
That's just it, it's not an educated decision, that would be a biased decision, based on the parents beliefs.
The point is they would still have a choice to make their own decision based on what they know. They aren't being forced into anything. No one is holding a gun to their head telling them they must believe this.
death2chikins
10-30-2006, 07:35 AM
That's just it, it's not an educated decision, that would be a biased decision, based on the parents beliefs.
The world will witness for itself should christian parents not witness for God. Deciding if you believe in God or not is the point how can you make that decision if noone tells you who they believe God is or isn't after that it is up to the child to make the decision. It is this reason why i believe children should not be baptized until they reach the age of accountablity and are able to make that decision.
who897
10-30-2006, 10:27 AM
But if you are only told about one god in one household, kinda makes that decision one sided. And I have heard this a couple of times, god isn't what everyone thinks it is, it is what you think it is or isn't.
death2chikins
10-30-2006, 10:56 AM
But if you are only told about one god in one household, kinda makes that decision one sided. And I have heard this a couple of times, god isn't what everyone thinks it is, it is what you think it is or isn't.
Perhaps but given the worlds marterialistic nature is this not balanced by Christian parents teaching their children about God. I agree that many people hold different ideas about who or what God is and one idea is just as valid as another in this world anyway. And i do not condone any parent not allowing their children to see and hear or experiance things that the parents believe to be contrary to christian beliefs but then again given the interaction between people it doesn't really matter what the parents allow or don't. Only way to deny this interaction is to lock their child in a room until they are no longer children kinda strict i think. Ever tell a kid not to do something because they may get hurt? Getting hurt is a part of life no way to avoid it and there is no way of avoiding outside influences from affecting a childs thinking process. Unless like i said earlier you lock them in a room.
who897
10-30-2006, 06:33 PM
Unless we as adults change the structure of education. It's a form of censorship, yes, but if they can bleep out cuss words and titties on TV, then we should be able to bleep out people's religious views on topics, esp around children.
General Septem
10-30-2006, 07:30 PM
Unless we as adults change the structure of education. It's a form of censorship, yes, but if they can bleep out cuss words and titties on TV, then we should be able to bleep out people's religious views on topics, esp around children.
I don't think anything should be bleeped.
I'll raise my kids how I fucking please, thank you. If you don't want to teach yours anything and let them learn it all on their own, that's your perogative. Don't tell me how to be a parent, because in so doing you're doing something you hate Christians for: forcing your views on others.
You aren't even a parent for freedom's sake, so what do you know?
who897
10-30-2006, 11:50 PM
I don't think anything should be bleeped.
I'll raise my kids how I fucking please, thank you. If you don't want to teach yours anything and let them learn it all on their own, that's your perogative. Don't tell me how to be a parent, because in so doing you're doing something you hate Christians for: forcing your views on others.
You aren't even a parent for freedom's sake, so what do you know?
You wanted me to clean up some of my posts, that's akin to bleepin it don't ya think?
I don't have kids (at least any I know of) so I can't really teach them anything any hows, but, I never told ya how to raise yours bub. I never said not to teach them anything. If ya read it, I said teach them the subject, not any mombo jumbo about religion. Sorta like the earth revovles around the sun because of gravitational force, the gavitational force was created by god...that's pretty generic but fairly easy to understand my point. At least we can agree that christians are forcing their views on others. But I don't really "hate" anyone, I dislike religion with a passion. Hate causes wars.
It's funny how you bring up the thing about don't tell me how to raise my children, in that, people have been telling people how to raise their children forever and a day. In the end, you will raise your children how the government of the country you reside in tells you. If I'm wrong, then, we should be getting rid of dyfus and child protective services right.
Nope, not a parent. Uncle yes, god father to like 10 kids (they all knew I wasn't religious but they wanted to know that if they died someone they could trust would be taking care of their kids, and the term godfather to me anyways isn't about religion, it's about my honor and friendship to the parents) So, although that doesn't make me a parent, it does make me responisble to those children, in some form or fashion. I may not have all the insights, but I'm not a complete moron. (That also depends on who you ask)
General Septem
10-30-2006, 11:54 PM
You wanted me to clean up some of my posts, that's akin to bleepin it don't ya think?
I never said that.
who897
10-31-2006, 06:10 PM
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I'm not reading that. Clean it the hell up or something.
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It's in the Oh where oh where is santa clause thread. 1-0 I win.
General Septem
10-31-2006, 06:13 PM
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I'm not reading that. Clean it the hell up or something.
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It's in the Oh where oh where is santa clause thread. 1-0 I win.
Fail. I was referring to the 5000+ characters you had grouped all into one sentence.
Would I have said "hell" if I was talking about the swearing? :D
who897
11-01-2006, 06:17 PM
Grammer Police. Everyone's a critic.
General Septem
11-01-2006, 07:46 PM
Grammer Police. Everyone's a critic.
Bad grammar is one thing. Trying to read a 5000 word run-on sentence that's barely coherent to begin with is another.
fibdemon
11-04-2006, 09:37 AM
that means santa claws is also a creation of our dumb corrupted minds.it's countdown 2 hell 4 all those dissing JAH.
who897
11-04-2006, 10:46 AM
I understood it quite perfectly.
Fib I have no idea what you are trying to say.
childheavens
11-05-2006, 05:13 PM
God knows ,watch stars shining bright into the night,the universe spirals as the sun burns,Gaze upon heaven above to realise a world filled with Love.
To whom who enjoy destructive things, watch Gods wrath conquer evil.
The sea rise to commands , the earth rise to shed its tears, the stars open .The Garden of eden cries green to all living things.As the angel bell rings an end must come to all things.
In demand to Gods hand waiting in line to recieve a command.In a heart which aches a pain rises in earth compensate mistakes.Heaven up above fill thy heart with Love.God is one as the sun.Amen.
There was a good point raised earlier today regarding God and why we believe what we do. It was basically if we can't believe in the Bible and God because we weren't there basically, then how do we know something like Washington crossing the Delaware actually happened? We weren't there, and there's no proof of it occuring outside of written proof. Do we need actual proof for that too then? Think about it.
ohreally
11-06-2006, 08:40 AM
There was a good point raised earlier today regarding God and why we believe what we do. It was basically if we can't believe in the Bible and God because we weren't there basically, then how do we know something like Washington crossing the Delaware actually happened? We weren't there, and there's no proof of it occuring outside of written proof. Do we need actual proof for that too then? Think about it.
Go burn some witches. :rolleyes:
beelzebub
11-06-2006, 09:12 AM
...then how do we know something like Washington crossing the Delaware actually happened? We weren't there, and there's no proof of it occuring outside of written proof. Do we need actual proof for that too then? Think about it.
Interesting point but:
Is Washington's crossing out of the realm of our daily existence & reality? If the story said that he walked across the Potomac and his army defeated the British as long as he held up his arms I would be highly suspect of that story too. Furthermore; his story does not state anything about what happens when you die or how he is the son of god.
No but the fact remains if we can't even believe in something that happened 2000 years ago, how can we believe something that happened 200 years ago? It's the same difference. Just because you don't have proof of something doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't said.
And in regards to the death or son of God thing, why would God deceive us? Doesn't make sense, he loves every one of us and wants us to be with him in eternal happiness after we depart this earth. If anything it's Satan who deceives people into thinking there is no God and the like.
who897
11-06-2006, 06:43 PM
U are a confused little person no aint ya. How many troops crossed with GW? How many deciples of your so called Jesus were there, 12 or somewhere round there?
Plus the writing of history was a hell of a lot more accurate at that point then 2006 years ago.
Still you can't prove it can you, which is my point. If you can believe that, why can't you believe in God. It's the same difference for both.
ohreally
11-06-2006, 09:10 PM
Still you can't prove it can you, which is my point. If you can believe that, why can't you believe in God. It's the same difference for both.
I believe you already answered your question of why can't some believe in God.
who897
11-06-2006, 11:44 PM
Still you can't prove it can you, which is my point. If you can believe that, why can't you believe in God. It's the same difference for both.
Because believing a man with an army crossed the Deleware and had a raid against the british and returned back across the river in boats is a bit more plausable then say some fella in the sky had an itching in his ass to create something that looked like him. He got some chick pregnant w/ out fucking her. Same difference my ass. If I said I went to England that would be a hell of a lot more believable then saying I parted the red sea, both wouldn't be true but which one's possible.
With God anything is possible, anything no matter how crazy it may seem miracles can and do happen.
who897
11-07-2006, 04:22 PM
Only yall would say that cuz your truely fucking crazy. Miricals my ass, like the USA beating Russia in the olympics way back when, the only mirical I see is that you actually survived childhood.
You want an example of a miracle? I'll give you one right now. A guy in a coma for years and years suddenly wakes up. If that isn't a miracle then I don't know what is.
normlman
11-07-2006, 06:08 PM
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who created god?
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....well hkdbadreligion, I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer you my personal view of the matter in question:
Newton's Law of Physics states that perpetual motion cannot exist. In the physical sense I would have to agree. However, in the psychological and mental sense - perpetual motion is known as god.
God is comparable to the wheel. God more or less, through emotional development and evolution of mankind, invented itself. Ergo, there are many different views, personifications, etc. of god because of the great diversity of cultures that inhabit the Earth.
Then there is my other view of god as being 'all matter' of existance, hence God is always with us. Y'see, even I need to tell myself at times that god does exist. Despite what Richard Dawkins and the "new Athiest" rallies have to say, i think that when a person is in a deep, painful state of desperation with no one 'person' able to remove the misfortune, or state of unwant...we must tell ourselves that there is more, there is something else.
I think that one of the greatest illusions of mankind is that god actually 'cares' about people individually, or their hardships. God does'nt give a bleeding fukk about mankind. God simply is a part of our species that can never be removed.
So, who created god?
You created god. If you don't believe this, then why would you have asked the question?
Anyho, that's just my personal insight on the question. Others may feel free to agree, disagree, or dismiss my response.
kind regards,
NORMLman
I think that one of the greatest illusions of mankind is that god actually 'cares' about people individually, or their hardships. God does'nt give a bleeding fukk about mankind. God simply is a part of our species that can never be removed.
NORMLman
That doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't God care about someone that was created in His own image?
normlman
11-07-2006, 07:35 PM
That doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't God care about someone that was created in His own image?
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I guess you have a point there ajk. I suppose i got a little carried away on my rant. I forget sometimes that Jesus died for my sins, and that if I don't do right I'll go to hell for forever & ever.
kind regards,
NORMLman
General Septem
11-07-2006, 07:39 PM
I guess you have a point there ajk. I suppose i got a little carried away on my rant. I forget sometimes that Jesus died for my sins, and that if I don't do right I'll go to hell for forever & ever.
If you do go to hell, you have nobody to blame but yourself, because it'll be your choice.
normlman
11-07-2006, 08:22 PM
If you do go to hell, you have nobody to blame but yourself, because it'll be your choice.
....if were talking about the fire and brimstone hell that may or may not exist.....When my life expires and to much surprise from having led a life of morality, serving my brethren, and being the best father my son could ever have had, a hell does exist.....I'll be completely upset and dissatisfied if I do not die of cancer and go to hell.
-for forever and ever.
After all, it is my choice:cool:
...or maybe I'll just moan in agony for eternity.
Acctually, I believe all life is energy and that passing on does not cease that energy from existance. I think it transfers to another dimension. I hope my energy is transfered in to a bolt of thunder. At my funeral I wish for my ashes to be fired from a cannon.
regards,
NORMLman
who897
11-07-2006, 09:48 PM
Just wanted to point out a bolt of thunder. LOL :D
normlman
11-08-2006, 12:47 AM
:cool: bAng:cool:
MrBirdy
11-25-2006, 11:37 PM
religiouse point of view:
God created himself
Scientific, and my point of view:
People did it for either entertainment of financial reasons.
death2chikins
11-27-2006, 09:41 AM
religiouse point of view:
God created himself.
God did not create himself. He just simply was he has no beginning no end he is eternal. If he created himseld then he would have a beginning but since he doesn't have a beginning he did not create himself.
Ape-Shit
11-27-2006, 11:54 AM
Which God are you guys talking 'bout?:p
MrBirdy
11-27-2006, 11:55 PM
God did not create himself. He just simply was he has no beginning no end he is eternal. If he created himseld then he would have a beginning but since he doesn't have a beginning he did not create himself.
He is all powerfull, so he could have created himself in the pressent and still made himself eternal
who897
11-28-2006, 06:26 PM
So then, who is god's god?
jimmy
11-28-2006, 07:21 PM
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i agree ... we are the assholes that invented God so that we can get each others to buy into our bullshit voodoo social-economic-systems. the problem is some of us are not cheerful givers. so there goes the trickling down of wealth.
jimmy
11-28-2006, 07:42 PM
So then, who is god's god?
God is Lonely ...because there was no conception
death2chikins
12-05-2006, 04:18 PM
He is all powerfull, so he could have created himself in the pressent and still made himself eternal
everything thing that is created has a beginning and therefore can not be eternal. God is eternal therefore has no beginning. how can one create oneself if one does not exist yet?
twisted_screams
12-05-2006, 08:59 PM
God is not interested in controlling anyone. That is why we have free will we choose to believe or not to believe. How can you be anyless controlling than that? Are you not concerned with what happens after death? Do you honestly believe that it ends at the grave that nothing exists afterward? If that is the case the please explain to me what the purpose of anything mankind has done. Art, music, civilization whould mean nothing. If indeed man has no soul and therefore no future beyond death than we truly are nothing more than animals and are therefore free to behave as such. Murder, rape, slavery, war, and canabalism whould all be natural states of all men since all of these occur in the animal kingdom as well.
But to get back to the question at hand. Who created God? Noone did he always existed and always will exist. He has no beginning therefore has no end.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm man already does rape slaverywar and canabalism you need to watch more tv darlin. Man is just an upright animal on two feet and can use tools.
As far as god goes and free will do you really think if there was a higher being that created us he would let the world go to shit as it is doing.
God was created as perhaps in a good way thousands of years ago when people needed somthing to help them be better people.
As far as the bible goes its a nice story nothing more nothing less. I have always wondered why people still choose to believe so highly in the bible and think that its all set in stone. It doesnt mention dinosaurs or much about outer space or other continents. At the time the bible was written it was supposedly written much from god speaking and instructing man if this was so why did he leave so many of the details out and how come he doesnt speak to man on a daily basis anymore?
Because maybe those details were not to be known to us till later perhaps?
who897
12-06-2006, 12:18 AM
Because maybe those details were not to be known to us till later perhaps?
Well, perhaps, according to that little tid bit, perhaps we were meant to have sex all the time with someone we weren't married to, but since back then we weren't ready for that either, but now we got us some condoms and shit that'll knock the fucking socks off of some fetus. I'm ready for some of that shit, yeah.
Ignorance is bliss, apparently to the quote, so his god just wants to keep him ignorant. Ohh yeah, and a virgin.
twisted_screams
12-06-2006, 07:08 AM
Well, perhaps, according to that little tid bit, perhaps we were meant to have sex all the time with someone we weren't married to, but since back then we weren't ready for that either, but now we got us some condoms and shit that'll knock the fucking socks off of some fetus. I'm ready for some of that shit, yeah.
Ignorance is bliss, apparently to the quote, so his god just wants to keep him ignorant. Ohh yeah, and a virgin.
Grinz wickedly and just hushes before i get in trouble By the way we need a devil smiley on this forum tooo.
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