Arguments please

[ogeez]

ok lets hear it.. god or no god? and reasons why.. i'll be adding my comments throughout

[ajk]

God, simply because there are things that happen on a daily basis that really cannot be explained why or why not it happened. It's in those sort of situations that God has a role in.

I'll give you a personal example. A month or so back I'd say I was at school a little bit earlier then usual on a Tuesday. I have just a 2pm class that day and nothing else, so usually I leave for class around 1 or so. This time though I had to go to a funeral mass at my church, and then I got a ride to school from my grandma right after. I got to school around noon or so, and said hello to my friends and such. Then I went and got some food. As I was eating, my friends all decided to go get some food at the Burger King across the street. Since I already had food, I didn't go with them.

Some time passed, and they still hadn't returned. I thought it was rather odd, and felt something may have happened. However I shrugged it off thinking that maybe they had just decided to eat at the Burger King. I then left for my class at about 1:45, still thinking they had just taken their time eating there.

I got back from my class around 4:30 or so, and saw one of my friends who had went to the Burger King earlier. I approached her and jokingly asked her if she had fun at Burger King, and she responded saying I didn't even want to know. What had happened was one of the other girls who had went had wanted to go see her boyfriend. So after eating they drove over in that direction. They were a block or two away from her boyfriend's, and as they were turning a corner they hydroplaned (it was raining throughout the day). As a result they hit another car on the corner. Everyone was ok, sans a few bruised collarbones, but I was very lucky that day. It is my belief that God knew that car accident was going to happen, and shielded me from it by me not going with my friends.

[Ape-Shit]

There are many Gods. However, they are only in the minds of those who choose to believe in them.

Funny though, no one has ever seen one!:rolleyes:

[ajk]

I have to disagree. There is and always will be only ONE God, for whom we are not to have any false God's before Him.

[Ape-Shit]

I have to disagree. There is and always will be only ONE God, for whom we are not to have any false God's before Him.

Tell that to the Muslims.

Like I said, if you believe it to be so in your mind, then to you it is so. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking you and your beliefs. I just don't agree with them.

[Ausinus]

I believe in the latter - NO GOD

I refer to 'god' as 'it' for gender equity's sake.

Reasons (feel free to challenge):

Thesis: We can only accept something as fact if is proven through the scientific method, as all proven things can be proven with the scientific method. "Something is only proven if it can be disproven through experiments"

Anything that is proven can be detected or tested in some way. These are called facts and laws. We can prove the Laws of Thermodynamics, as we can do (and have done)tests that utilise or detect this.

Reasons for the proven existence of Thermodynamics.
-Energy systems do tend to increase in entropy (ice in a glass of water; the heat of the water is transferred to the ice which melts)
-As a temperature approaches absolute zero, entropy does approach a constant. (freezing of water to ice: thermal energy of the water decreases as it freezes)

Anything that we cant detect or test directly(as of this point in time) is called a 'theory'. The Big Bang is only a theory. But again, we can infer their existence due to their effect on other masses.

(Inferred) Reasons for the theoretical existence of the big bang
-The universe is expanding (Red shift)
-Background radiation. (static on TV)

Thus, in scientific terms god cannot be proven or disproven.

[twisted_screams]

No God just a nice thought like santa claus the easter bunny and whatever else we use to keep kids from being bad when they are off from school on vacation:D :p

[General Septem]

Thus, in scientific terms god cannot be proven or disproven.

If the existence of God cannot be disproven, then why do you believe He does not exist? If you were as "smart" as you claim to be, given the "fact" that in scientific terms the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven, it would seem you should not believe God does not exist but rather that you could never know if God exists or not.

But I see God in everyday life. I know God exists the same way I know my computer exists or that people exist. I'll guaran-damn-tee you've seen Him too, but you're probably too shallow to notice.

By the way, what the hell is "gender equity"? Is it anything like "gender equality"?

[Ausinus]

Let me clarify.

When I stated my thesis, it acts as a reson for my resolution. It is my personal belief that if something is not proven through science it does not exist. Which is why I do not believe in miracles, the soul or flying pigs.

Gender Equity is the giving of equal rights to both. either term can apply.

How exactly do I claim to be smart btw?

[General Septem]

I do not believe in... flying pigs.

But you acknowledge that they may exist on some other planet, do you not?

[Ausinus]

No, I do not acknowledge their existence.

[General Septem]

No, I do not acknowledge their existence.

But to say they do not exist is foolhardy because you have no way of knowing that.

[Ausinus]

Let me give you reasons.

-No mammal has more than prehensile four appendages (discounting tails)
-Pigs do not have body structures suited for flight
-Life such as swine must develop on planets which are earthlike, thus if a planet is terrestrial, then the pigs there would be similar to the pigs here on earth.

[General Septem]

Let me give you reasons.

-No mammal has more than prehensile four appendages (discounting tails)
-Pigs do not have body structures suited for flight
-Life such as swine must develop on planets which are earthlike, thus if a planet is terrestrial, then the pigs there would be similar to the pigs here on earth.

These are things that only pertain to Earth, though. Perhaps on another planet, maybe one with a different atmosphere or gravity than our own, life may develop differently. It would depend on what you could call "flying pig", too, as there may be creatures that look like winged pigs even though genetically they are different. They may not even have DNA, their molecular structure could be completely different from our own. But if it looks like a pig and flies, then I for one would call it a flying pig. All they'd need if the atmosphere were dense enough is big rigid flaps of skin to catch the air.

[Ausinus]

Hmm, good point. Even so, we have to classify "a flying pig" according to either nomenclature or structure.

But this leads to a further question; can life of that size exist in different planetary environments?