Affirmative Action

[Josh]

Racial affirmative action is !BULLSHIT! and is a step in the wrong direction. I'm all for equal oportunity. Low income affirmative action is worth considering. But, all racial affirmative action does is tell minorities that they need to be given what they want, and it doesn't do any good for them. Telling someone they can't get something on their own, all because of the color of their skin is not only racist but is BULLSHIT! Jews have been prosecuted more than anyone else and for longer than anyone else. Have you ever heard of Jewish affirmative action? No. And they're more successful than anyone else. So, if you're a minority, then the next time someone says you can't do it on your own, spit in their face and then rip it off because that is BULLSHIT!

[Danny]

right on! BULLSHIT!

[I am Normal! Hahahaha!]

Josh for once I agree with you for the most part! That is really the truth! Only if you were like this all the time!:D

[Zzyzx]

The racism tables have almost (almost) turned completely around in the last decade or so. Affirmative action may have been necessary at one time, though. A well-qualified black man may not have been given the respect he deserved by a white management, which is totally unfair. Nowadays, however, a poorly-qualified minority with a high school education and mixed vegetables for brains can be hired over a room full of master's-degree-holding white men only because the company has to fill a quota and maintain their public image.

It's bullshit.

[Tequilla_Slammer06]

hey guys and gals just new to this site so i thought i would mingle. im aware that you guys are american, but do you thinks the racial affirmative action will occur in britain, cause i also think its bullshit and would hate to think that race i gonna decide how far you get in life.

[logjon]

i'm new too, but as far as i understand (which isn't all that far so i may be wrong) minorities are already much better integrated into your country than ours. aff action is some bullshit devised to equalize the races. again, me being wrong is a very good possibility

[I am Normal! Hahahaha!]

What are you talking about with the above reply? You are confusing me!:confused:

[fulloshitt]

Plain and simple. To exclude or include people based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, or anything other than abilities, is discrimination. Having said that, I believe that private organizations and institutions have every right to discriminate, or not discriminate, for any reason they see fit. Of course, the law says otherwise, but the law is wrong.

By the way, if someone suggested that I needed "affirmative action" to be successful, I would be highly pissed. I would find the suggestion in and of itself demeaning.

Affirmative action is just another means by which politicians create and maintain dependent classes of people. Unless someone depends on them, politicians are essentially useless leeches.

[charibdes]

To those blind followers of false prophets(Josh), who offer only hopeless rhetoric and empty thoughts, I say be careful and ashamed!! We all know that this country(USA) was built by and on the backs of slaves. I am confident in saying that almost all of you have benefited in some fashion from the station in life that was given you by right of birth. Learn the true American History and appreciate how the dark people made you what you are: They raised your kids, cooked your meals, made your money, built and maintained you homes and in return they got nothing. If they showed any resistance they were PUNISHED. How do you think your forefathers were able to acquire so much wealth and affluency? Let's see... Free labor. Free labor. Free labor....now may we please come inside from the rain BOSS..I is gona be a good boi sir...

[sucks to be you]

To those blind followers of false prophets(Josh), who offer only hopeless rhetoric and empty thoughts, I say be careful and ashamed!! We all know that this country(USA) was built by and on the backs of slaves. I am confident in saying that almost all of you have benefited in some fashion from the station in life that was given you by right of birth. Learn the true American History and appreciate how the dark people made you what you are: They raised your kids, cooked your meals, made your money, built and maintained you homes and in return they got nothing. If they showed any resistance they were PUNISHED. How do you think your forefathers were able to acquire so much wealth and affluency? Let's see... Free labor. Free labor. Free labor....now may we please come inside from the rain BOSS..I is gona be a good boi sir...

Um, well thats not the topic of discussion now is it. Nobody here is denying history. We are talking about the present. And up until now everyone has made very valid points. I'm white, yes, but I can honestly say that if someone handed a job or anything to me in my lap purely based upon that fact. I would be right fucking pissed off. Rewards based on Merit. I will never be ashamed to accept 2nd place if someone proved to be better. And anyone that can hold their head high knowing that they got something when someone else rightfully deserved it, is not doing themself a favour especially when it comes to earning the respect of ones peers.

[charibdes]

Um, If you can't see the connection between then and now,.... there is no hope for you. How do you think it feels for minorities to be born into a lower station in life, having to struggle and scrape to get the things that whites take for granted??! Years of discrimination and classism GAVE WHITE PEOPLE A HELL OF AN EDGE!! If they had not been so cowardly and unwilling to let the blacks have a true place in society back then, there would not be a need for affirmative action now. No one cried for the dark people in the days of JIM CROW or APARTHEID. You need to travel and read more books, my friend..... ;) NOW KHEN WE PLEEZ CUMM IN FRUM D RAIN BOSS??
WE IS GONA BE REAL GUDD NOHW SUH. PLEEEZ DONNT HERT US NO-MO.

[sucks to be you]

Oh I see the connection, I just don't believe there is a need for someone to step in and forcefeed their systems on us anymore. I have traveled a pleanty, coast to coast, north to south. As far as reading books, no thanks I don't need to build my ideals off of other people opinions and interpretations of events be them fact or fiction. I am quite content in forming my own opinions based off of my own life experiences. I live in a relatively big city and whites here are far from the majority, so all the other ethnicities that everyone still calls minorities really aren't that anymore. The gentleman who own the business I work for as well as several others, isn't white, neither are the people he has managing half of those stores. They weren't handed the jobs, they started out at the bottom and worked their way up to the top positions they have now, the same way I did when I started out. I've known people in poor communities earn highly repectable jobs, and I know people from well off families who happily flip burgers for a living. I will never argue about history, I will never side against the fact that oppression is a sad part of our history, but the whole idea behind affirmative action back when it was needed was to even out the playing field and give opportunities to people who were being overlooked because of their ethnic background. But I'm pretty sure that the ones who intituted the program, and those that benefited from it, all understand that it was not meant to be a permanenet institution and there comes a point in time if it is allowed to go on to long that it creates the exact same problem that it was meant to solve, and that is denying work to qualified and deserving people.

[Korono]

Firstly, I'd like to say that while Affirmative Action is discriminatory, there is another problem. The education system here in the USA is of far poorer quality than that in other industrialized nations. To make school easier, rather than increasing the quality of the education, is a boost only to natural selection as it picks off the dumbest among us and not to the intelligence or accomplishments of students. Higher test grades does not mean greater intelligence.

Secondly, you can complain all you want about slavery and immigrants, but you'll never create an educated argument. Slavery in the US ended in the 19th century. You do not deserve compensation for your ancestors' misery. Do not blame your present state of decrepency on what rich white men who died over a hundred years ago did your ancestors. And what knowledge have you of immigrants? My family and I immigrated to the United States in 1992, with nothing but a suitcase and the clothes on our back. My mother is now a well payed and extremely respected architectural designer for a high class architectural firm. My father is as well, for a lesser known firm, but is a well accomplished author currently working on an extremely in depth six part series on internal architecture. One of my brothers is now working at a car dealership and is attengind a community college. Me, though? I got accepted to Penn State, the best state school in Pennsylvania. And my cousins? Don't even get me started on how rich they are now. Don't give me shit about how hard it is to be an immigrant or to live in the inner city. I experianced that shit. You make your own life.

[beelzebub]

The education system here in the USA is of far poorer quality than that in other industrialized nations. [QUOTE=Korono]

This coming from an IMMIGRANT who has capitalized on our public education to better himself as his family as done? Gee what a slap in the face! Not much on gratitude are you?
Are you sure the German, French and English youth are as fortunate as we are? I don’t think so.

[QUOTE=Korono]Secondly, you can complain all you want about slavery and immigrants, but you'll never create an educated argument. Slavery in the US ended in the 19th century. You do not deserve compensation for your ancestors' misery. Do not blame your present state of on what rich white men who died over a hundred years ago did your ancestors. You make your own life.

I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY. You are doing so and KUDOS to you. I wish everyone had your realistic & optimistic view!

[Korono]

This coming from an IMMIGRANT who has capitalized on our public education to better himself as his family as done? Gee what a slap in the face! Not much on gratitude are you?
Are you sure the German, French and English youth are as fortunate as we are? I don’t think so.

...................

I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY. You are doing so and KUDOS to you. I wish everyone had your realistic & optimistic view!


Thank you for your support, and I am amused by your contradictory opinion of me as realistic and optomistic.

Now, while this argument is flawed due to lack of viewable sources, I do remember reading an article a few years ago comparing the education systems of industrialized countries. Some of the smartest students from different nations participated in tests, and Americans scored some of the lowest. And even beyond that, let's agree, for the moment, that the US school system is of decent quality(and mind you I'm reffering to high schools, quality of college is greatly affected by cultural and societal issues). Affirmitive Action would still lower the quality of the system.

[beelzebub]

Thank you for your support, and I am amused by your contradictory opinion of me as realistic and optomistic.

Now, while this argument is flawed due to lack of viewable sources, I do remember reading an article a few years ago comparing the education systems of industrialized countries. Some of the smartest students from different nations participated in tests, and Americans scored some of the lowest. And even beyond that, let's agree, for the moment, that the US school system is of decent quality(and mind you I'm reffering to high schools, quality of college is greatly affected by cultural and societal issues). Affirmitive Action would still lower the quality of the system.

Optimistic - Because you see the ability for one to succeed in this country beyond their origins.
Realistic - Because it takes one to understand the systems in place in order to succeed.

Afflictive action does not lower the quality of systems in place:
1) Is your education lowered because of someone with fewer qualifications next to you?
2) If someone is not admitted to an institution because they were a "victim" of afflictive action do they stop and die? No they move on to others institutions.

[Korono]

I do believe you meant Affirminitive Action, and it simply slipped your mind.

My point is not the effect on the individual, but the effect on all those affected by the system. If they are given leway they will not have the opportunity that a stricter enviornment would grant them.

And of course I refer to educational AA. Having worked in human resources, I know that AA in the workplace actually has purpose and is fullfilling it

[beelzebub]

I do believe you meant Affirminitive Action, and it simply slipped your mind.

My point is not the effect on the individual, but the effect on all those affected by the system. If they are given leway they will not have the opportunity that a stricter enviornment would grant them.

And of course I refer to educational AA. Having worked in human resources, I know that AA in the workplace actually has purpose and is fullfilling it

Affirmitive action - yes (spell check change it)

Is that stricter environment the only environment that produces high quality workers or learners?
:confused:

[freakazoid]

Racial affirmative action is !BULLSHIT! and is a step in the wrong direction. I'm all for equal oportunity. Low income affirmative action is worth considering. But, all racial affirmative action does is tell minorities that they need to be given what they want, and it doesn't do any good for them. Telling someone they can't get something on their own, all because of the color of their skin is not only racist but is BULLSHIT! Jews have been prosecuted more than anyone else and for longer than anyone else. Have you ever heard of Jewish affirmative action? No. And they're more successful than anyone else. So, if you're a minority, then the next time someone says you can't do it on your own, spit in their face and then rip it off because that is BULLSHIT!

" I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today."

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Affirmative action judges you by the color of your skin and NOT the content of your character.

[Korono]

Is that stricter environment the only environment that produces high quality workers or learners?
:confused:

A lax one produces laziness. When one feels they are able to do less work, over time they decide that they don't need to do more work.

[freakazoid]

A lax one produces laziness. When one feels they are able to do less work, over time they decide that they don't need to do more work.

Exacltly right!

[Josh]

Um, If you can't see the connection between then and now,.... there is no hope for you. How do you think it feels for minorities to be born into a lower station in life, having to struggle and scrape to get the things that whites take for granted??! Years of discrimination and classism GAVE WHITE PEOPLE A HELL OF AN EDGE!! If they had not been so cowardly and unwilling to let the blacks have a true place in society back then, there would not be a need for affirmative action now. No one cried for the dark people in the days of JIM CROW or APARTHEID. You need to travel and read more books, my friend..... ;) NOW KHEN WE PLEEZ CUMM IN FRUM D RAIN BOSS??
WE IS GONA BE REAL GUDD NOHW SUH. PLEEEZ DONNT HERT US NO-MO.

You're right (let me finish :)). some people are born into poor or less fortunite families. Maybe they should be givin a little "boost" if you will. but what about white people who are born into poverty? Should a wealthy black person be given a break and the poor white boy not? you can't honestly say that all blacks are born poor and all whites are born rich. You can't judge someone's fortune based on race. If you want to help the poor, that's lovely. If you want to help someone based and race and assume they're poor, that's prejudice.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Said very well. Why aren't these equal rights laws equal? If a company has fewer minorities than the population percentage then the company is convicted of racist hiring. But if a company has significantly MORE minorities than the population percentage then they aren't even looked into for racist hiring techniques, instead they are PRAISED for employing these minorities so readily! These equal rights laws are outdated. Companies should simply be expected to hire the best candidate, and if it's proven that they didn't do this on many occasions while race could be an issue (whether the race is a minority or not) then the company should have to pay the price.

[vulcan]

We are all the same, if you cant pass that class guess what take it again. I work very hard for my money and even when I was born in Spain. I am an american by choice, I love America and my kids are 100% american, they never got a thing just because they are not anglo. Anyway some of the minorities protect themselves with this shild of affirmative action. We work hard for what we have and no one gave us shit, my kids are in College and working hard. We need to stop bringing peoples race up all the time. forget about that shit, the more we point this out the more this country is going to be divided in groups, I know people from every race competent and hard workers and I also know pieces of shit, white trash and all color trash good for nothing. Affirtmative action is just a Hitler mechanism to keep the low class low. Love Vulcan

[Guinness]

i cant stand this shit. i had a 1250 SAT w/ a 3.5 GPA, and couldnt get into the college of m choice, but they got some dumbass kids on football scholarships fillin my spot, just so they can fill they quota of "minorities", and and lets not forget the fuckin immigrant that can barely read and write on a 2nd grade level gettin a full paid ride!
"and now im broke, no joke. aint got a nickel for a coke. and i aint black you see, so uncle sam wont help lil ol white me"

[getinit]

Right on man. I completely agree with you.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Yea, all except for that 1250 - 3.5 statistic. I just can't believe that someone whose writing skills are that poor could possibly be that intelligent.

[beelzebub]

... couldnt get into the college of m choice, but they got some dumbass kids on football scholarships fillin my spot, just so they can fill they quota of "minorities", and and lets not forget the fuckin immigrant that can barely read and write

I don't understand why you didn't apply to other colleges?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I don't understand why you didn't apply to other colleges?


Who says he didn't? He simply said that the colleges that he WANTED to go to didn't want anything to do with him. Watch out for those assumptions.

[beelzebub]

Who says he didn't? He simply said that the colleges that he WANTED to go to didn't want anything to do with him. Watch out for those assumptions.

You are such a nelly fag! Let him answer. You are not who I asked. You always want to contribute. Ever thought that perhaps you are not that important?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

You are such a nelly fag! Let him answer. You are not who I asked. You always want to contribute. Ever thought that perhaps you are not that important?

All the time, but why would my importance have any relevance on this website? As long as I have something to say it's valid. If you insist that you are so intelligent, then your faults need to be pointed out as often as possible. I am more than happy to be the one to do this since you insist on insulting me whenever you can create the possibility.

[beelzebub]

All the time,

So you are a nelly fag all the time? Ha ha ha ha ha ha


.. then your faults need to be pointed out as often as possible.

It is not a fault to ask someone a question about something they did not state. In fact he said:
"nd couldnt get into the college of m choice" followed by "and now im broke, no joke. aint got a nickel for a coke. and i aint black you see, so uncle sam wont help lil ol white me"

Which could mean that he is not in school.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It is not a fault to ask someone a question about something they did not state. In fact he said:
"nd couldnt get into the college of m choice" followed by "and now im broke, no joke. aint got a nickel for a coke. and i aint black you see, so uncle sam wont help lil ol white me"

Which could mean that he is not in school.

Very true, not a fault at all. You didn't ask a question in that manner. You assumed that he didn't apply to other colleges, and said that you didn't understand why. You made the conclusion that he hadn't applied with your question. It wasn't really even a question, just a statement that had a question mark added to the end of it.


I don't understand why you didn't apply to other colleges?

[beelzebub]

You didn't ask a question in that manner.

To him I asked the question. Not to you.


You assumed that he didn't apply to other colleges, and said that you didn't understand why.

I assumed nothing other than what he implied with what he wrote.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I assumed nothing other than what he implied with what he wrote.


He did not imply this at all. He made it very clear that he simply did not get into the college of his choice. This implies nothing more than that.

[beelzebub]

He did not imply this at all. He made it very clear that he simply did not get into the college of his choice. This implies nothing more than that.

So then I was quite fine in asking the question.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So then I was quite fine in asking the question.

No, you asked why he didn't apply at another college. This means that you already know that he didn't apply to another college, and you wanted to know why.

[beelzebub]

No, you asked why he didn't apply at another college. This means that you already know that he didn't apply to another college, and you wanted to know why.

So do we know that he did or didnt?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

So do we know that he did or didnt?

we don't, so it is wrong to ask a question assuming that he didn't.

[beelzebub]

we don't, so it is wrong to ask a question assuming that he didn't.

It's not wrong. I proved that what he wrote could be interpreted as (Not having a job and not being in college)

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

It's not wrong. I proved that what he wrote could be interpreted as (Not having a job and not being in college)

No, it's like asking "how has evolution of humans - from one-celled organisms to the complex beings that they are today - helped them to flourish?" The question assumes that evolution did factually happen. This hasn't been proven so the question is wrongly worded. A proper question would be, "If evolution did in fact happen, how has it helped humans to flourish?"

Your question was worded similarly, and therefore was worded improperly.

[Adolf Hitler]

You are right, affirmative action is complete and utter bullshit, it takes opportunities aways from well qualified white men and gives to lesser qualified "people" just so things will be "equal"

[beelzebub]

No, it's like asking "how has evolution of humans - from one-celled organisms to the complex beings that they are today

Its seems your mind-set has company... Heil!

[Nobody]

You are right, affirmative action is complete and utter bullshit, it takes opportunities aways from well qualified white men and gives to lesser qualified "people" just so things will be "equal"
Man! Bofore you can expect, very many people to talk directly to you, in agreement with any of your statements. You need to drop the Hitler theme. There are people in this site, whose people were inialated, during his regime. Its evident to me, that you don't know what a piece of SHIT, Hitler was. Drop the scenareo, come back as anybody else. But not Joseph Stalling. He was a genuine dumb ass. Do you know what I mean VERN?

[getinit]

Just to let you know. Hitler was a genious. The man was only outdone because he messed up with the soviet union. Sure all that he did was wrong. Yet the man was still a strategic and technilogical genious. Hitler never wanted the military he first started out with art. So dont tell him to drop the Hitler thing. Maybe he just knows more then your dumbass self.

[Adolf Hitler]

what do you mean, drop the hitler thing, i dont think i am hitler and i'm not pretending to be, i use that name because people know what i'm about as soon as they see the name.

getinit, thanks

[Nobody]

Just to let you know. Hitler was a genious. The man was only outdone because he messed up with the soviet union. Sure all that he did was wrong. Yet the man was still a strategic and technilogical genious. Hitler never wanted the military he first started out with art. So dont tell him to drop the Hitler thing. Maybe he just knows more then your dumbass self.
If Hitler was such the GENIOUS, why did he allow his pompas ass to be cornered, only to blow out his own brains. You MICHAEL FUCKING JACKSON WANNABE

[Nobody]

what do you mean, drop the hitler thing, i dont think i am hitler and i'm not pretending to be, i use that name because people know what i'm about as soon as they see the name.

getinit, thanks
SO elaborate what you think people know as soon as they see the name. Enlighten me. I don't see the connection.

[Adolf Hitler]

well, they SHOULD know i'm a neo-nazi, you know, Seig Heil, purify the race and all that good stuff. hahahahahahaha

[beelzebub]

well, they SHOULD know i'm a neo-nazi, you know, Seig Heil, purify the race and all that good stuff. hahahahahahaha

What is purify the race?

[Adolf Hitler]

it means racial blood shoult remain pure, no mix breeding, for that will be the downfall of man kind, so i believe in being true to my race and keeping it as pure as possible.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

it means racial blood shoult remain pure, no mix breeding, for that will be the downfall of man kind, so i believe in being true to my race and keeping it as pure as possible.

So tell me, just how are you so certain that mixing races will be the downfall of man kind? It has been happening for centuries and things may have changed, some for the better others for the worse, but there is no downfall in sight because of this.

[beelzebub]

it means racial blood shoult remain pure, no mix breeding, for that will be the downfall of man kind, so i believe in being true to my race and keeping it as pure as possible.

So I guess you "purify" the race by sterilizing and/or killing those you deem unworthy?

[jacktheripper]

To those blind followers of false prophets(Josh), who offer only hopeless rhetoric and empty thoughts, I say be careful and ashamed!! We all know that this country(USA) was built by and on the backs of slaves. I am confident in saying that almost all of you have benefited in some fashion from the station in life that was given you by right of birth. Learn the true American History and appreciate how the dark people made you what you are: They raised your kids, cooked your meals, made your money, built and maintained you homes and in return they got nothing. If they showed any resistance they were PUNISHED. How do you think your forefathers were able to acquire so much wealth and affluency? Let's see... Free labor. Free labor. Free labor....now may we please come inside from the rain BOSS..I is gona be a good boi sir...

A. Just what the heck does that ^^ :rolleyes: have anything to do with the subject at hand? Besides allowing you to spout your own missguided rehtoric?

B. Hum.. How the DARK PEOPLE raised me? My kids? Had anything to do with my life? Well i have been in a few cabs driven by black guys.. I have visited stores where the casher etc was black etc.. But all those guys were being PAID for doing their jobs..

Don't get me wrong .. What transpired in the past was not cool.. BUT THAT WAS THE PAST .. Hell the slaves were freed after the civil war.. So um..
Could i sign up on this pity parade?

There isn't a single person ALIVE (black white etc.) in this country (or any other) who participated in that BULLSHIT.. So please .. PLEASE stop crying for a group of people who have (NOW) just as much opertunity (Actuly more because of farkin Afermitive action) then anyone else in this country.

YOU sir are the one on the pity parade.. YOU sir are the one spouting Rehtoric.

Good day

edit..

it means racial blood shoult remain pure, no mix breeding, for that will be the downfall of man kind, so i believe in being true to my race and keeping it as pure as possible.

Your race?? What race is that ?? The race of the Stupids?? The race of the ignorant fools? The race of the uneducated ??
The race of the biggots? The race of the closed minded?

Give it up .. your nothing more then a foolish child who cant respect anything different.. Hell your even worse then bible thumpers.. At least they (Mostly) don't give a damn about where your from or what collor your skin is.

[Unimmune]

It's not fair to say that affirmative action regarding race is wrong, but at the sametime saying fuck you because your poor. There's no difference it's still stereotyping people based on a general opinion of a group.

[Unimmune]

Races have been mixing since the dawn of man. It's very ignorant and irrational to even think that your pure of your herritage. Do some research. You've got people living in a city for more than 50 years who get married have kids and get divorced and repeat the process thus creating an enviroment for mix breeding and incest. Now, apply that to the world of men over a few thousand years and you wanna think you are pure.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Affirmative action is basically equal rights, right? So I was reading my Uncle John's Bathroom reader this evening in the usual place when I came across an equal rights quote by P.J. Orourke that asks the real question regarding how you know when the rights have truly gotten "equal":


"How much fame, money, and power does a woman have to achieve on her own before you can punch her in the face?"


:D :cool: :D

[General Septem]

I agree about the whole affirmative action bullshit. I mean, there's going to be a time when I can't even get a job somewhere because some company's got too many white people working for them and not enough blacks, and they don't want to be investigated. So basically I wouldn't be able to get the job because I was white.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Exactly. That is why race can't be an issue at all in deciding on matters such as these. Only if it can be proven that a company is being racially selective, (whether that be selective towards minorites or majority groups), should they be punished for it.

[Harv]

Has anyone noticed that commercials on TV now almost always include as many blacks as white, and some are all black. Now the percentage blacks in the United States is about 15 percent. So one in seven commercials should include a black. Maybe we need affirmative action for whites. And how about white affirmative action in the NFL and NBA. No. But like in football and basketball, the best worker should have the jobs in business. Cheers, Harv

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I don't think that we need affirmative action at all anymore. I think that as long as the government cannot prove that a company is hiring someone out of racial issues the government needs to keep their nose out of it. If any affirmative action is in place, it ought to only be to correct those companies who are truly turning down the better candidate because of non-job related issues, regardless of whether it be for the minority or majority group.

[Ape-Shit]

Affirmative Action: Isn't that what happens about 30 minutes after taking your viagra?

[General Septem]

Affirmative Action: Isn't that what happens about 30 minutes after taking your viagra?
Only if you're a black guy and you intend to rape a white girl. :D

[Ape-Shit]

You're so funny. Ha, Ha!

[monty_k]

Plain and simple. To exclude or include people based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, or anything other than abilities, is discrimination. Having said that, I believe that private organizations and institutions have every right to discriminate, or not discriminate, for any reason they see fit. Of course, the law says otherwise, but the law is wrong.
By the way, if someone suggested that I needed "affirmative action" to be successful, I would be highly pissed. I would find the suggestion in and of itself demeaning.
Affirmative action is just another means by which politicians create and maintain dependent classes of people. Unless someone depends on them, politicians are essentially useless leeches.

Ok....where do I start...
fulloshitt nothing is plain and simple. It is true that excluding or including people based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference or anything else is a form of discrimination. But this law serves a higher purpose than what you see in front of your nose. Affirmative action is NOT a mean by which politicians maintain dependent classes but the COMPLETE opposite.

The US is the top country in the world where social classes can be distributed in accordance with race (black people are poor and white richer) among all DEVELOPED countries in the WORLD.
the reason, as someone previously stated, is because of past discrimination (black people could not get good jobs and therefore better their status or social class). Black people were pushed to stay together and accumulate in the guetthos. Today's distribution of social classes is a consequence of that.

Affirmative action is not giving a job to a empty brained black person over someone with a master......it says that if two people with the same capacities were presented (one black, one white) in function of how many minorities the company already has, it should hire the black person.
WHY? Because it is the only way this country will ever have a fair and equal mix of different race at different social classes. Yes, it does hurt some people today...but the benefit is for the futur....to ensure that this country really becomes a model.
Plus.......let's be serious, how often does a back person gets selected for a job over a white person just because he is black??? Pretty much never....but affirmative action helps especially with university recruiting where more black people with low incomes can afford to go to school. Overrall....it is a good thing for this country and that is the job of politicians to think of the futur of this country.