Forced Abortions

[Limbo]

Ever noticed that some of the most rabid abortion supporters also have an obsession with over population? Weird how some things seem to go together even when the facts don't support their position.

Well now, remember how Obama said he was going to return science to it's proper place in society? Of course he didn't mention that in his mind, the proper position of science is as a propaganda tool to help brings his political ideas to life. In any case, to help bring back science to it's "proper place", he appointed John Holdren as his top science advisor. Problem is, Holdren advocated forced abortions and sterilization as a way to deal with the problem of over population back in the 70's and 80's.

One more crazy loon in the Obama adminstration. Will the country survive this guy?

Read more about it here:

Holdren Forced To Respond To Controversy Over Totalitarian Population Control Proposals (http://www.drudge.com/news/123068/holdren-forced-respond-population)

A quote from the story:


Phrases such as "it has been concluded" are used in the book alongside proposals for forced abortion, such as the passage on page 837 which reads, "Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."

Holdren and the Ehrlich's do not identify who "it has been concluded" by, leaving the reader in no doubt that "it has been concluded" by the writers themselves that forced abortion should be introduced. This is called "hiding behind the passive voice." It provides the writers plausible deniability, but only the idiotically naive would deny that it represents anything other than an endorsement of forced abortion and sterilization.

Furthermore, the whole tone of the Ecoscience book is directed against those who would disagree with coercive population control measures. These people are even referred to in a derisory tone as "pro-natalists," a word invented purely for the purposes of the book. The book does not merely present a neutral stance on "formulations" as is claimed the endorsement of these proposals is implicit in the fact that opponents of them are scorned throughout the book.

Ecoscience is clearly an endorsement of totalitarian population reduction measures. Anyone who has read the quotes contained in the book in their full context can see that this is manifestly the case. Holdren and the Ehrlichs are presumably counting on the fact that the book is now out of print and that no one will actually read it, because if they did then the entire context of what the book endorses becomes crystal clear.

[Montanarchist]

The country with most forced abortions per capita I think would be Cuba. They use it as mean to keep infant mortality down.

Holdren seems to hold the collectivist belief that society is somehow a supreme being above the people and takes it to an extreme. Somebody needs to explain Individualism to him.

[Limbo]

The country with most forced abortions per capita I think would be Cuba. They use it as mean to keep infant mortality down.


China would be right up there too.



Holdren seems to hold the collectivist belief that society is somehow a supreme being above the people and takes it to an extreme. Somebody needs to explain Individualism to him.

True, but what's with Obama appointing people with extreme views into these high ranking positions?

[asm20979]

Blah blah fucking blah!!!

[MrJim]

Maybe there is something to be learned from the folks that brought us the baby-boomers. When times are good, people have families. Conversely, hard times cause people to put off having kids (at least the responsible ones), and the population declines/dispurses.

[freakazoid]

Ever noticed that some of the most rabid abortion supporters also have an obsession with over population? Weird how some things seem to go together even when the facts don't support their position................he appointed John Holdren as his top science advisor. Problem is, Holdren advocated forced abortions and sterilization as a way to deal with the problem of over population back in the 70's and 80's.

One more crazy loon in the Obama adminstration. Will the country survive this guy?

obama is without a doubt one of the most dangerous "presidents" in US history. And remember who put him there...hip hop idiots, dumb teen aged kids and assholes like the "rev." jesse jackson."

http://conservablogs.com/velvethammer/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/obama-hitler-anger.jpg

Look familiar?

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x46/mugworticus/Obamawhitegirlecstatic.jpg


http://www.hyscience.com/hitler%20youth.jpg




http://obamalies.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obama_supporters.jpg

[AceTracer]

1. I didn't vote for Barack Obama, and I'm guessing none of you did, but 70 million other Americans did. I doubt they were all "hip hop idiots", teenagers, and Jesse Jackson.

2. Holdren testified to the nomination committee that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size and that he has never endorsed forced abortion.

The 1977 textbook he coauthored discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children, and recommended "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" such as access to birth control and abortion.

That's hardly "forced abortion", though forced sterilization is nothing to sneeze at either.

3. The Obama administration is not alone in appointing people with extreme views. Every administration has done the same thing, both liberal and conservative. John Ashcroft believed dancing was a tool of the devil. I don't care who or what you are, that's just plain fucking nuts.

But just like John Ashcroft didn't ban dancing, nobody is going to force women to get their tubes tied.

[freakazoid]

1. I didn't vote for Barack Obama, and I'm guessing none of you did, but 70 million other Americans did. I doubt they were all "hip hop idiots", teenagers, and Jesse Jackson.

2. Holdren testified to the nomination committee that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size and that he has never endorsed forced abortion.

The 1977 textbook he coauthored discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children, and recommended "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" such as access to birth control and abortion.

That's hardly "forced abortion", though forced sterilization is nothing to sneeze at either.

3. The Obama administration is not alone in appointing people with extreme views. Every administration has done the same thing, both liberal and conservative. John Ashcroft believed dancing was a tool of the devil. I don't care who or what you are, that's just plain fucking nuts.

But just like John Ashcroft didn't ban dancing, nobody is going to force women to get their tubes tied.

RE: "...but 70 million other Americans did. I doubt they were all "hip hop idiots", teenagers, and Jesse Jackson."

Trust me; it wasn't Joe the plumber who put obama in office. Neither did middle America. He was put in office by young inexperienced dumb dumbs and left winged fools.

[aslan]

Obama did target the youth in his campagin...even if he wasnt, he was popular among them

[Montanarchist]

1. I didn't vote for Barack Obama, and I'm guessing none of you did, but 70 million other Americans did. I doubt they were all "hip hop idiots", teenagers, and Jesse Jackson.

Perhaps not "hip hop idiots" or teenagers, but that doesn't say that they were smart.

[LedZap]

. Holdren testified to the nomination committee that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size and that he has never endorsed forced abortion.

The 1977 textbook he coauthored discussed the possible role of a wide variety of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning to enforced population controls, including forced sterilization for women after they gave birth to a designated number of children, and recommended "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" such as access to birth control and abortion.

That's hardly "forced abortion", though forced sterilization is nothing to sneeze at either.




Oh really..from HIS book...

“To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws constitutionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."

"even including laws requiring compulsory abortion" ? That's not forced abortion ?

[AceTracer]

"even including laws requiring compulsory abortion" ? That's not forced abortion ?
That's forced abortion, but nowhere in that passage is Holdren advocating it.

[beelzebub]

China would be right up there too.

China has FORCED abortions??? I don't think so.

I saw this: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9766870

But that, in my opinion, is a fluke not standard practice.



True, but what's with Obama appointing people with extreme views into these high ranking positions?

Oh I see.. yet Bush appointed "people with extreme views into these high ranking positions" and you have no qualm. Hypocrisy!

[takeshi007]

I don't think that forced abortion is convenient I guess there is a disadvantages of having a forced abortion especially for the the women who want to have an abortion process. Maybe it can affect their health.