Check this out, better than watercooling =D

[General Septem]

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67133

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=273

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835702001

[freakazoid]

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67133

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=273

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835702001
:D Cool stuff, General, I like the Vigor Monsoon II. If I go with over clocking, I might give one a shot. I am looking for an alternative to water cooling (like the Monsoon), which [water] is a great to cool a CPU, but seems a bit too cumbersome. The Vigor Monsoon II might just be an answer.

[General Septem]

:D Cool stuff, General, I like the Vigor Monsoon II. If I go with over clocking, I might give one a shot. I am looking for an alternative to water cooling (like the Monsoon), which [water] is a great to cool a CPU, but seems a bit too cumbersome. The Vigor Monsoon II might just be an answer.


I like it because from what I hear it actually cools better than watercooling. Travis (the guy from dfi-street) says he got his CPU down to like 15C. And on top of that you don't have to fumble around with it to install it in a case, it's just a quick five minute thing.

The only bad thing I hear is that it can be a little loud, and the fan kind of goes up to high speed for a few seconds and then goes back down for a few seconds and so on. If I were to get one I'd probably wire it so that the fan was wired separately and I could just hook up a fan controller or something. Get a good quality fan too.

For TEC the price isn't bad at all. You could spend $150 just on a little TEC plate thing and still have to get a heat sink for it.

[freakazoid]

I like it because from what I hear it actually cools better than watercooling. Travis (the guy from dfi-street) says he got his CPU down to like 15C. And on top of that you don't have to fumble around with it to install it in a case, it's just a quick five minute thing.

The only bad thing I hear is that it can be a little loud, and the fan kind of goes up to high speed for a few seconds and then goes back down for a few seconds and so on. If I were to get one I'd probably wire it so that the fan was wired separately and I could just hook up a fan controller or something. Get a good quality fan too.

For TEC the price isn't bad at all. You could spend $150 just on a little TEC plate thing and still have to get a heat sink for it.

Sounds like you're going to try it. I'm becoming pretty convinced that it may be the best way to go. Let me know what you think if you get one installed before me. In the mean time, check out this oldie but goodie :D ...


http://oldcomputers.net/ads/80s/qdp-300.jpg (http://oldcomputers.net)

[General Septem]

Sounds like you're going to try it. I'm becoming pretty convinced that it may be the best way to go. Let me know what you think if you get one installed before me. In the mean time, check out this oldie but goodie :D ...


http://oldcomputers.net/ads/80s/qdp-300.jpg (http://oldcomputers.net)

Wow, 8-bit and 16-bit support? A full 15 MB? Where do I get one? :D

[beelzebub]

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67133

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=273

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835702001


I have been thinking about this cooling thing for a while. Since you are cooling such a small area and since it needs to cool quickly wouldn't a better fluid with a smaller specific heat capacity be a better choice? Something like mercury would be optimal but you could also use mineral oil (1/4 the specific heat of water). That would increase the transfer of heat and thereby increase the efficiency. Why aren't they using this? (or are they & I am just ignorant)

Another question - Do these water cooling devices operate as a closed system (like an automobile cooling system) or is there a a constant supply of cool water going in and heated water being expelled out a drain?

[General Septem]

I have been thinking about this cooling thing for a while. Since you are cooling such a small area and since it needs to cool quickly wouldn't a better fluid with a smaller specific heat capacity be a better choice? Something like mercury would be optimal but you could also use mineral oil (1/4 the specific heat of water). That would increase the transfer of heat and thereby increase the efficiency. Why aren't they using this? (or are they & I am just ignorant)

That's an interesting point. I know the water often has additives but for the most part they are anti-corrosive and non-conductive additives to prevent corrosion and shorting out in the event of leakages. I'll bet it's been done, but for whatever reason was found to not affect temps enough to warrant the extra hassle. It'll be an interesting question for the dfi-street forum though.


Another question - Do these water cooling devices operate as a closed system (like an automobile cooling system) or is there a a constant supply of cool water going in and heated water being expelled out a drain?

It's a closed system like an automobile. It's essentially a big loop consisting of waterblocks wherever desired (such as the CPU and GPU), a pump, a radiator (similar in size to an automobile heater core which are actually sometimes used), and tubing connecting them all together.

Here is a series of videos explaining the watercooling installation:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dangerden


The coolers I linked to in the first post aren't actually watercooling though, it's thermoelectric. There's actually a peltier at the base of the heat sink which facilitates an increased transfer of heat away from the CPU and into the heat sink where it is then dissipated.

[beelzebub]

...but for whatever reason was found to not affect temps enough to warrant the extra hassle.

I would find that hard to understand given the small surface area of the CPU, the high temperatures it generates, the the greater ability of heat absorption by the materials I have listed.


The coolers I linked to in the first post aren't actually watercooling though, it's thermoelectric. There's actually a peltier at the base of the heat sink which facilitates an increased transfer of heat away from the CPU and into the heat sink where it is then dissipated.

Yeah, I read that. I find this technology interesting. I wonder if they are going to use these peltier's to generate electricity to cut down on the consumption or is it going to be just another waste?

http://www.nanomikado.de/images/peltier.jpg

[freakazoid]

Wow, 8-bit and 16-bit support? A full 15 MB? Where do I get one? :D

If you can time travel back to Comdex 82', you can buy one there! Ha! :D (Say hello to Bill).

[General Septem]

I would find that hard to understand given the small surface area of the CPU, the high temperatures it generates, the the greater ability of heat absorption by the materials I have listed.

The response I got at the forum was that mercury and mineral oil are both a lot more viscuous than water, so while theoretically they should cool more efficiently, the decrease in flow rate negates much of the difference in temps.

Another person also responded:


PLUS all the stuff smells like hell! If you ever tried to do it I can tell you that you room will smell like a old car repair shop! Thats why nobody does it!!!

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70139 there's the thread if you're interested. I'm glad you asked though because it hadn't occured to me.