Public Schools Suck....

[Rise Up]

But we're discussing how they can be fixed by sucking on promo!!!! :):):):)

[LedZap]

VYA all over again ?

[Rise Up]

VYA was over mods abusing their powers. :rolleyes:

But GS and Haw rock!

[LedZap]

Yeah , but metheus's deal was inflammatory posts , not just links.

[Rise Up]

Yeah , but metheus's deal was inflammatory posts , not just links.

Well......if you want.......:rolleyes:

[Pau Diaz]

Holding vendettas is a weakness. As much as private schools can be expensive in their pricing, there is always room for positive change. Finding a way to make them more flexible is a better goal to achieve.

[yee-haw]

Holding vendettas is a weakness. As much as private schools can be expensive in their pricing, there is always room for positive change. Finding a way to make them more flexible is a better goal to achieve.

That's just it... Most are not flexible, How would you accomplish this task?

[MrJim]

I don't know about you guys, but with it being damn hard to find a job as a teacher, you would think that quality of education would be going up, not down. My wife put in apps for every public school in our region and was turned down due to the massive competition, and now works for a charter school.

On a side note, if it were during the 90's (easy teaching jobs) I would agree that public school sucked the big banana.

[Pau Diaz]

That's just it... Most are not flexible, How would you accomplish this task?

We need to somehow convince the owners of private schools to see the value in those who can't afford them. There are bright students who aren't able to and they must be brought to the attention of private teachers, their abilities promoted. People with an open mind could work towards lowering the fees or offering more scholarships.

[WhiteRaven]

Hint: College students have these things called "student loans" which are loans with a low interest rate that don't have to be paid back until quite a while after school ends. What if private schools had similar loans?

The only issue is in whether the loans could last that long without being paid back...

[MrJim]

It really all goes back to efforts on behalf of the student. Even the poorest, lowest class students can rise above their situation through educational accomplishments. That's what all those scholarships are for. Honestly, those who perpetuate their stereotypes don't deserve crap and shouldn't bitch about how being a minority hinders their life chances.

Most people don't care about their education until they realize its importance. I am guilty too. In 1997, jobs were plentiful and I wanted a way out of my shitty situation at home, so I took the working route instead of the college route. Then the 'Great Recession' claimed my job of over 11 years, so here I am in college maintaining a 4.0 while taking any job that will work with my education hours.

I'm sick of hearing people bitch about being underprivileged. There is nothing a private school can offer that a public school cannot; actually, attending a public school improves your class rank over all the lazy underachievers. A little effort goes a long way.

[Pau Diaz]

True, grades of public schools tend to be higher and those of private ones lower. It all revolves around the fact that students of private schools have their finnancial needs covered so they don't work so hard, and those in public schools need to work harder so they can help at home, or they are more intelligent than private students. What we could do to improve the situation is stimulate the private students' minds more so they are less lax in their attitudes towards academic things and that would lessen the divide.

[WhiteRaven]

There is nothing a private school can offer that a public school cannot; actually, attending a public school improves your class rank over all the lazy underachievers. A little effort goes a long way.

Private school classes are more difficult, If I'm not mistaken. I really think it just means public schools need to get their act together, though.

[Pau Diaz]

If they could spare the money to. Don't you think they'd like to do as you suggest?

[MrJim]

Brace yourself for another Obama initiative:

He wants year-round school and longer hours. This would cost state government millions for starters - right now, the classes are already too full because of states trying to contain costs by employing fewer teachers. Add to it that on average, listening hits its peak at around 20 minutes, so the longer the class, the more likely the student will fail. Year-round school would also cause students to become jaded and that hurts their grades as well.

Instead of longer hours, why not focus on a wider range of study? Adding college prep courses that would make it easier to get started in a degree plan that offers better pay would help some.

What's disturbing is that the basis for Obama's initiative is the inability of graduates to compete globally. There is only one mentionable reason why we aren't competing globally - businesses shift their work overseas. Higher education does not fix global competition - it encourages students to get their foot in the door to jobs that cannot be outsourced - jobs that take place face-to-face and do not occur behind the scenes at a company.

[WhiteRaven]

If they could spare the money to. Don't you think they'd like to do as you suggest?

Sell all the sports equipment, and fire the coaches!

[Pau Diaz]

You would have sports sacrificed to better education?

[WhiteRaven]

You would have sports sacrificed to better education?

Uh... yes. Especially in an institution intended to educate

[MrJim]

WR, I think the whole concept of PE/sports is to keep students physically active. With the juvenile obesity epidemic, it doesn't appear to be working, but elimination of physically activities doesn't help... especially if the students feel punished for wanting to be physically active by having their sports removed from their schools.

Actually, you wouldn't fire the coaches anyway because half of them teach classroom courses and coach on the side.

[WhiteRaven]

WR, I think the whole concept of PE/sports is to keep students physically active. With the juvenile obesity epidemic, it doesn't appear to be working, but elimination of physically activities doesn't help... especially if the students feel punished for wanting to be physically active by having their sports removed from their schools.

Physical Education is fine. But if kids want to play sports for several hours after school it should be on their own time. Or if they really must do it at school, than they should have to do their own fund raisers for it. Often primary school funding goes to stupid things like new balls, simply because the old ones were stained, or in the case of foam balls, a bit torn up. I mean, maybe we can have sports, but do we really need to spend half of the budget on them?


Actually, you wouldn't fire the coaches anyway because half of them teach classroom courses and coach on the side.

True, but it should be a volunteer type thing, and sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't.

[Pau Diaz]

No, I don't think we should. This kind of reminds me of a friend telling me that in Spain a doctor earns 150,000 euros. This is a good salary, but thanks to all the investments of football for example, their players get twice this amount and they don't specialize in anything academic or professional.

[MrJim]

Physical Education is fine. But if kids want to play sports for several hours after school it should be on their own time. Or if they really must do it at school, than they should have to do their own fund raisers for it. Often primary school funding goes to stupid things like new balls, simply because the old ones were stained, or in the case of foam balls, a bit torn up. I mean, maybe we can have sports, but do we really need to spend half of the budget on them?

True, but it should be a volunteer type thing, and sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't.

That varies widely from school to school, so there is no umbrella solution for bad spending. I could say the same about those fancy new ceiling-mounted powerpoint projection screens; hell, all we had when I was in school were transparency projectors and chalkboards, and we had desks from God knows when (they had an ink bottle holder for cryin' out loud).

No we shouldn't spend 'half the budget' on sports, but there is plenty of learning you can gain by participating in them that translates to the workplace, believe it or not - concepts like teamwork & competition. Classrooms have teamwork to some extent (small groups), but little competition.

Want to cut expenses quicker? Remove ESL and let the Mexicans create their own damn schools. I'm sick of my taxes paying for those programs.

[WhiteRaven]

That varies widely from school to school, so there is no umbrella solution for bad spending. I could say the same about those fancy new ceiling-mounted powerpoint projection screens; hell, all we had when I was in school were transparency projectors and chalkboards, and we had desks from God knows when (they had an ink bottle holder for cryin' out loud).


concepts like teamwork & competition. Classrooms have teamwork to some extent (small groups), but little competition.

In many cases, there is no longer competition in sports either, this applies more to elementary school sports than high school. And they could certainly find a way to implement competition and teamwork in the classroom. My classes used to have contests where they would divide the class up and have each group compete to answer question, kind of done based off jeopardy, or similar game shows.

Also, I recall you said before that it was probably to combat obesity, and I don't think I responded to it then, it doesn't work because those who are obese usually aren't interested in doing sports and shit anyway, and will sit out or half-ass through every P.E. class.

[Controversy]

In my view this dispute over private and public schools is the kinda stuff to keep humanity alive. So long as both sides got a positive view of what they have and can do, the war between them can be fought fairly. It's when they become bitter over what the other's got instead of them when the shit hits the fan.

[WhiteRaven]

In my view this dispute over private and public schools is the kinda stuff to keep humanity alive.

Then how about posting your actual opinion on the thread instead of just saying exactly what you've said in every other post you've made?

[Controversy]

Okay dokey, you might not like it, but that's what controversy's all about. My opinion is that this little battle between private and public schools is just what we need to make both groups stronger. One for, one against, ain't that the stuff of conflicts throughout history?

[Phoenix]

Then how about posting your actual opinion on the thread instead of just saying exactly what you've said in every other post you've made?

In other words, he's saying controversy keeps life interesting....

..and I agree.

[WhiteRaven]

Okay dokey, you might not like it, but that's what controversy's all about. My opinion is that this little battle between private and public schools is just what we need to make both groups stronger. One for, one against, ain't that the stuff of conflicts throughout history?

and would you like to explain whether you believe public or private schools are better, or would you rather continue to say exactly the same thing?

[Controversy]

and would you like to explain whether you believe public or private schools are better, or would you rather continue to say exactly the same thing?

Niether is better than the other. That's the whole point. We can't have one suck up the other like Time Warner did to Ted Turner. We need the contrast of the two of them.

[yee-haw]

Why do you and deci... i mean whiteraven love to bump these old ass threads?

[Controversy]

Why do you and deci... i mean whiteraven love to bump these old ass threads?

Is there a reason to in this particular case? I mean, is the relationship between public and private schools amiable, even if it's a rivalry? If so, then I guess this thread doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

[Controversy]

On the other hand, the title of this post does make me think of a question to ask:

What do private schools suck?! :eek: