The American Phenomena

[Pau Diaz]

I used to watch the WWE, WCW, TNA and I learned an interesting truth. Quite a few of the wreslters have college or university degrees, but none of them went into the fields they were studying :

Glen Jacobs: Degree in English

Lisa Moretti (AKA Ivory): Degree in Public Relations.

Lisa Marie Varon (AKA Victoria): Studied biology and medicine; wanted to become a physician. Worked as a Human Tissue Coordinator

D Lo Brown: A certified Public Accountant

A-Train: Degree in Sign Language, former teacher.

Troy Martin (AKA Shane Douglas): Bachelor's degree in History and Political Science. Taught American History.

Kevin Nash: Bachelor's degree in Psychology and Educational Philosiphy. Was in the army and then became a bouncer.

Scott Hall and Sunny: Earned Pre Med Degrees

One idea is wrestling pays more, but why would the more civil occupations pay less?

[Carrot]

I learned an interesting truth too, americans being retards has more merit than other nationalities.

How can anyone watch that shit. Even as an eleven year old it was far too pathetic for my liking.

[Pau Diaz]

I see, so Americans are less socially or mentally developed than certain other countries, is that what you are saying? What could make them be like that?

[yee-haw]

I see, so Americans are less socially or mentally developed than certain other countries, is that what you are saying? What could make them be like that?

My excuse is all the whiskey and hot women i constantly enjoy...
We're not retards, We just have better booze and hotter chicks here than carrot has over yander... He's jealous as hell, I can feel it in his post. Pay him no mind pau.:D

[LedZap]

Yeah , but you gotta know that down on the beach , those Cantalonian chicks are hot.

[Carrot]

My excuse is all the whiskey and hot women i constantly enjoy...
We're not retards, We just have better booze and hotter chicks here than carrot has over yander... He's jealous as hell, I can feel it in his post. Pay him no mind pau.:D

lol, do YOU watch WWE?

[yee-haw]

lol, do YOU watch WWE?

Yep, I also read guns and ammo and own a rebel flag that hangs on the wall of my garage.


I like chewing tobacco, Cigarettes, Whiskey, Women and every other thing that is bad for me!

When i die, I wanna look dead... I want people to walk by the casket and start gagging, And say: " That son of a bitch stinks, Close that motherfucker up!"

[LedZap]

Either that or roll me up into a big Joint and pass me around.

[Paisleyspeaker]

My excuse is all the whiskey and hot women i constantly enjoy...
We're not retards, We just have better booze and hotter chicks here than carrot has over yander... He's jealous as hell, I can feel it in his post. Pay him no mind pau.:D

So your excuse is we are all syphilitic alcoholics???

[yee-haw]

So your excuse is we are all syphilitic alcoholics???

No not all of them, Just the ones i philander with...:p

Good to see ya paise.

[freakazoid]

I learned an interesting truth too, americans being retards has more merit than other nationalities.
If you think so, you have never traveled more than two miles off the farm and have never visited...

http://americanhistory.si.edu/

In short; you're ignorant. http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

[Pau Diaz]

I could be wrong, but I get the impression that edcuation is more important than choice of occupation in the United States. It seems to me that developing your skills in a particular field and then going into something publically lucrative is a modern desire for American citizens.

[Carrot]

If you think so, you have never traveled more than two miles off the farm and have never visited...

http://americanhistory.si.edu/

In short; you're ignorant. http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

A perfect example of one.

[freakazoid]

A perfect example of one.

As stated...you're ignorant.

[Carrot]

As stated...you're ignorant.

You win. '

[beelzebub]

I could be wrong, but I get the impression that edcuation is more important than choice of occupation in the United States. It seems to me that developing your skills in a particular field and then going into something publically lucrative is a modern desire for American citizens.

You seem to disconnect the two things.

The ultimmate desire is that people become educated in the field they are interested in then go to work in that field. It doesn't always happen that way but that is ok too.

Going into some thing lucrative is a dream of everyone on the planet. What people don't want to have a nice life?

[Pau Diaz]

You seem to disconnect the two things.

The ultimmate desire is that people become educated in the field they are interested in then go to work in that field. It doesn't always happen that way but that is ok too.

Going into some thing lucrative is a dream of everyone on the planet. What people don't want to have a nice life?

True, at the same time a lucrative path is desirable, too many choosing to walk it can be potentially destabalizing. If too many people go into fields they don't specialize in or aren't related to their studies, the balance of society will be disrupted. We'd suffer from a shortage of particular professions because not enough people would be available to take them up.

[LedZap]

True, at the same time a lucrative path is desirable, too many choosing to walk it can be potentially destabalizing. If too many people go into fields they don't specialize in or aren't related to their studies, the balance of society will be disrupted. We'd suffer from a shortage of particular professions because not enough people would be available to take them up.

So you are saying that some people should aim low ? And do menial jobs ?

[beelzebub]

True, at the same time a lucrative path is desirable, too many choosing to walk it can be potentially destabalizing. If too many people go into fields they don't specialize in or aren't related to their studies, the balance of society will be disrupted. We'd suffer from a shortage of particular professions because not enough people would be available to take them up.

The balance is stabilized due to economics ie.. demand -vs- supply. Nurses needed.. more money available for nursing. Teachers needed ... more money for teaching...

[WhiteRaven]

True, at the same time a lucrative path is desirable, too many choosing to walk it can be potentially destabalizing. If too many people go into fields they don't specialize in or aren't related to their studies, the balance of society will be disrupted. We'd suffer from a shortage of particular professions because not enough people would be available to take them up.

So what you're saying is that if, say, everyone went to college, there wouldn't be enough cashiers, for example? That's untrue, because everyone starts at the bottom, more menial and otherwise simple jobs would be taken by teenagers, and people working their way through college. Plus you have to remember, no matter how shitty or stupid a job is, there's always going to be some weirdos who like it.

[Carrot]

But everyone shouldn't go to college in the first place. The entire point of higher education and college is to educate, and seperate. Sorry to say it, but ultimately college is to make it easier for you to get selected for a particular job. That, or they are basically a waste (see:history,arts).

And going through college just to work as a cashier IS a waste. In many cases, it would be alot better for them to skip college entirely.

[beelzebub]

But everyone shouldn't go to college in the first place. The entire point of higher education and college is to educate, and seperate. Sorry to say it, but ultimately college is to make it easier for you to get selected for a particular job. That, or they are basically a waste (see:history,arts).

I feel that you are saying College degrees specialize you to a few jobs... If so, I disagree. College degrees open up more opportunities for people with them. A person with a masters in "whatever" can do all the jobs that a person without such degree but has the credentials in "whatever" to do those jobs as well. Furthermore, getting a degree and not working in that field is not a waste. Employers often look for diverse educational backgrounds in their employees because they bring a different perspective.

[Carrot]

A person with a masters in "whatever" can do all the jobs that a person without such degree but has the credentials in "whatever" to do those jobs as well.

Yes, they can do the jobs a "nonmasters" person does. Without the four years of payments, also the non colledge person will have an additional 4 years of work experience and be in a better financial situation at the start of their career-whateer that may be in.

It's not entirely a waste going into something else, but alot of the time it can't be said to be worth the years of debt and study, apart from some jobs which arn't as widespread/common as others and could still bereached via other degrees/no degrees.

[Pau Diaz]

Yes, they can do the jobs a "nonmasters" person does. Without the four years of payments, also the non colledge person will have an additional 4 years of work experience and be in a better financial situation at the start of their career-whateer that may be in.

It's not entirely a waste going into something else, but alot of the time it can't be said to be worth the years of debt and study, apart from some jobs which arn't as widespread/common as others and could still bereached via other degrees/no degrees.

This coincides with my other post "We must go our own ways." It also reminds me of a friend I have made recently, who I may have mentioned and am proud to again. Andrea, my tutor in my course of handling is 20 years old. She started teaching children five years ago and is now tutoring adults in their education. Andrea might have a degree, I haven't asked her yet, but there is the chance she doesn't so that's proof one isn't always needed. In her case she was bright enough to thrive without it.

[yee-haw]

I think pau may have a crush on andrea...:p

[freakazoid]

I think pau may have a crush on andrea...:p

His special lady friend? :D

[yee-haw]

His special lady friend? :D

Maybe he's just helping her concieve man?

[Pau Diaz]

I do like Andrea and our relationship could develop into something more. On the other hand it might not. If we don't become more intimate Andrea will act as my link to another girl. A sister, a friend, it doesn't matter in the end because I would find the company of someone as intelligent as her just as compelling.

[yee-haw]

I do like Andrea and our relationship could develop into something more. On the other hand it might not. If we don't become more intimate Andrea will act as my link to another girl. A sister, a friend, it doesn't matter in the end because I would find the company of someone as intelligent as her just as compelling.

So you're basically saying one way or another you're gonna get some gravel for your goose?

[LedZap]

So you're basically saying one way or another you're gonna get some gravel for your goose?

Yep , one way or another he's gonna sail the leather yacht into Hair Harbor :D

[Carrot]

Yep , one way or another he's gonna sail the leather yacht into Hair Harbor :D

I can't get over that metaphor.

Leather?
And why a yacht, why not a submarine? And even then docking at a harbour isn't precisely a vigorous or repeatable action.

[LedZap]

OK then...how bout "Trout run up Fur creek" ?

[Carrot]

Better, but not ideal.

[LedZap]

Punish the Pope ? Hide the Salami ?

[beelzebub]

Yes, they can do the jobs a "nonmasters" person does. Without the four years of payments, also the non colledge person will have an additional 4 years of work experience and be in a better financial situation at the start of their career-whateer that may be in.

You are really overlooking a few things. First of all people with college degrees make more than those without, Second just because someone goes to college does not mean they take out loans, Third a person with college degrees may have to take a position that does not pay as well but wont have to stay in that position, Fourth degrees are transferable all over the country while 4 years of work experience may or may not be.



It's not entirely a waste going into something else, but alot of the time it can't be said to be worth the years of debt and study, apart from some jobs which arn't as widespread/common as others and could still bereached via other degrees/no degrees.

Years of debt is debatable (see above). I cant believe you are actually debating whether college education is helpful to a persons employment or even quality of living....

You have to be the first I have seen on BS to do so. Insane.

[Pau Diaz]

One issue we have to face is the tendency to develop a superiority complex when one has obtained a degree. I have a Major in Creative Writing and a minor in Film Studies. I don't believe I am superior to anyone, nor would I make such an unfair claim. I believe that people without a degree are just as vital in different ways. We cannot be so arrogant as to claim academic excellence is a way to look down on others lest we become like the French.

[LedZap]

Yeah...those darn french !

[WhiteRaven]

One issue we have to face is the tendency to develop a superiority complex when one has obtained a degree. I have a Major in Creative Writing and a minor in Film Studies. I don't believe I am superior to anyone, nor would I make such an unfair claim. I believe that people without a degree are just as vital in different ways. We cannot be so arrogant as to claim academic excellence is a way to look down on others lest we become like the French.

Why is it unfair, some people are going to be better than you, and some people aren't going to be as good. No one is better than me though.

[Pau Diaz]

No one is better than me.

Oh, really. Why are you so special?

[Carrot]

You are really overlooking a few things. First of all people with college degrees make more than those without, Second just because someone goes to college does not mean they take out loans, Third a person with college degrees may have to take a position that does not pay as well but wont have to stay in that position, Fourth degrees are transferable all over the country while 4 years of work experience may or may not be.

Years of debt is debatable (see above). I cant believe you are actually debating whether college education is helpful to a persons employment or even quality of living....

You have to be the first I have seen on BS to do so. Insane.

First of all, you are grouping ALL subjects together. Of course the majority of lawyers/engineers are going to make more, but pretty much anythin ending in "studies" probably wont. Media studies for example, or even something like history. A degree doesn't autmatically give you more.

Second, ALOT of pee take out loans. And even if they don't you're still paying for it.

Third, they might, if the degree isn't exactly relevant. And if it isn't hen from then on it's performance within the organisation rather tha whether you have degree for promotion purposes.

Forth, degrees may not be relevent, but four years work experience always is, since you weren't fired, and had to get up before 10 am.

Hadly insane, just pointing out the obvious. There's no point pushing people into going into college for airy fairy degrees, or on a sports scholarship, or the perception that you HAVE to go to college to be anything.

I'm going to college (uni) so I know the benefits of it, I'm pointing out why it isn't ALWAYS a good idea/neccessary.

[MrJim]

There's no point pushing people into going into college for airy fairy degrees, or on a sports scholarship, or the perception that you HAVE to go to college to be anything.

True, but you also have to address some issues with outdated education, since people close to retirement age are in trouble:

Grandpa's generation: People could become doctors with only a high school diploma.
Dad's generation: He made it into high school without learning to spell simple words like "area" and "credit". (He still can't spell without my help on many simple words).
My generation: Multiplication came in 4th grade. We learned what a hypothesis was in the third grade. Honors classes, too.
My 2-year-old's generation: The new PBS kids show "Dinosaur Train" explains a hypothesis for preschoolers.

Long gone are the days of low-skilled but high-paying careers, as well as the 'work your way up' job mobility, and even what were considered high-paying 'modern' jobs such as those of IT specialists and engineers.

If a job requires strong skills but doesn't physically have to take place here, the jobs go to India. If it requires little skill, such as manufacturing, the jobs go to China. If it requires little skill but physically has to take place here, the jobs are taken by Mexicans. This is our new reality, like it or not.

To find a decent job in the near future, we need to be educated AND seek a career that will have demand for the foreseeable future AND seek a job that must be performed locally. Or start a business (which BTW requires money, LOTS of it).

[Pau Diaz]

You could become a doctor after high school? That's amazing. You have to do many years university in this day and age. Why did people of your grandpa's age have to do so much less to become qualified?

[MrJim]

You could become a doctor after high school? That's amazing. You have to do many years university in this day and age. Why did people of your grandpa's age have to do so much less to become qualified?

Lower educational standards and less innovative technology.

Basically, the knowledge they needed was very basic and scientific discoveries came later.