Life & Death

[Nobody]

I ve noticed a trend in peoples views on abortion. Not only on this site,but in the political world as well. If someone is for abortion. Than they are usually against the death penalty. And the opposite, for those that dissaprove of abortion.

[who897]

I'm for abortion and I am for the death penalty. I think it's that way because most people are either extreme lefties or extreme righties, I am a nice little compormise of both, I even have a sense of humor.

[twisted_screams]

I believe in abortion to a point i just think that it shouldn't be used as a method of birth control for some slut that couldn't ask the guy to wear a condom or take a pill. I had my oldest son when i was 16 and i hid my pregnancy because i was abused and thought my mom would literally kill me if she found out. And ill tell you that was the hardest 9 months of my life. Did i think about abortion yes i did, but at the time there was no way in hell i could come up with enough money to have one. When i felt the baby move inside me for the first time everything in me seem to change. I can only say i went from feeling very alone and helpless and scared to a sense of power for the first time i had something that was mine and mine alone. It seems probably weird to you but for the first time i had a sense of purpose and from that moment on there was no way in hell anything was going to hurt my baby. Now don't think i actually had the balls to tell my mother at this point i didn't. I hid my pregnancy with big clothes and i hid it well i weighed 109 pounds when i had him and that at the time i thought i had every thing planned when i went to school i would check out hospitals and adoption agencies and being a stupid nieve 16 year old i honestly thought i would be able to possibly have my baby at home and take it to a hospital ( my parents weren't home much) and leave the baby where it would be safe. It didn't happen that way though i ended up going into labor at school and having to admit everything, but even then i was ready i had the adoption agency picked out and even went as far as to almost sign papers when my mom had a change of heart. I was basically her slave til i earned enough money to move away. I finished high school graduated with my class and worked nights and weekends. I payed my own hospital bill and everything. I worked hard and i raised him well right now he is attending college and i am for the most part live pay day to pay day but Hes still alive and some day when he becomes the doctor he wants to be that he will remember how at one time before he was born he gave his mom a reason to live.

just my story and how i feel I am not looking for a pat on the back or sympathy just wanted you to see one side of the spectrum of things.

[Ausinus]

I agree with you. (such a lovely story:) )

I think abortion should exist to give women the choice. Not as a day to day contraceptive.

[twisted_screams]

As far as the death pentaly goes once again i believe in certain situtations that it should be used. I have always said this and always will. I love my children with all my heart but if they were killers i would close the jail doors on them myself. I would visit them in jail etc. But what kind of person would i be if i let one of my children if i know they were a known killer out on the street.
To me jail is to easy now a days they have tv free meals and basically can get everything they want or need. I dont believe jail rehibilates anyone because they arent strict enough> I am a firm believer in making them work for their food no work they should get bread and water no exceptions. Out in the free world if you dont work you starve should be the same in prison. People like jeffery daumer are sick and if they cant be cured should be killed
once again just my opinion

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I don't believe in abortion or that the death penalty should every be used. I see the death penalty as a form of revenge. Revenge should not be performed by a just government. In contrast, the law ought to find some way to force restitution on criminals. Make criminals compensate their victims, or more broadly the community at large, for the crimes that they committed. This should be what is expected of any criminal while in jail. Jail time should not be a determinant of a person paying for his crime because jail time alone is nothing more than revenge. A person ought to be released from jail once it has been decided that the restitution he performed has met or exceeded the crime that he committed.

[General Septem]

I believe in abortion to a point i just think that it shouldn't be used as a method of birth control for some slut that couldn't ask the guy to wear a condom or take a pill. I had my oldest son when i was 16 and i hid my pregnancy because i was abused and thought my mom would literally kill me if she found out. And ill tell you that was the hardest 9 months of my life. Did i think about abortion yes i did, but at the time there was no way in hell i could come up with enough money to have one. When i felt the baby move inside me for the first time everything in me seem to change. I can only say i went from feeling very alone and helpless and scared to a sense of power for the first time i had something that was mine and mine alone. It seems probably weird to you but for the first time i had a sense of purpose and from that moment on there was no way in hell anything was going to hurt my baby. Now don't think i actually had the balls to tell my mother at this point i didn't. I hid my pregnancy with big clothes and i hid it well i weighed 109 pounds when i had him and that at the time i thought i had every thing planned when i went to school i would check out hospitals and adoption agencies and being a stupid nieve 16 year old i honestly thought i would be able to possibly have my baby at home and take it to a hospital ( my parents weren't home much) and leave the baby where it would be safe. It didn't happen that way though i ended up going into labor at school and having to admit everything, but even then i was ready i had the adoption agency picked out and even went as far as to almost sign papers when my mom had a change of heart. I was basically her slave til i earned enough money to move away. I finished high school graduated with my class and worked nights and weekends. I payed my own hospital bill and everything. I worked hard and i raised him well right now he is attending college and i am for the most part live pay day to pay day but Hes still alive and some day when he becomes the doctor he wants to be that he will remember how at one time before he was born he gave his mom a reason to live.

just my story and how i feel I am not looking for a pat on the back or sympathy just wanted you to see one side of the spectrum of things.

Now that's a cool story. Congratulations. :D

I'll bet you're glad you had him though, no?

[who897]

Quite honestly, just cuz someone is pregnant doesn't mean they then all of a sudden have a purpose in life. No disrespect, but you had a purpose all along, prolly to young to understand that and you held onto something there. As for the Death Penalty, it isn't revenge, look at the names of the damn thing "Death PENALTY" "CAPITAL PUNISHMENT" nope, don't see "Really Bad REVENGE" anywhere. I just think people are becoming weak, can't take death for what it really is, something that just well, happens.

[General Septem]

Quite honestly, just cuz someone is pregnant doesn't mean they then all of a sudden have a purpose in life. No disrespect, but you had a purpose all along, prolly to young to understand that and you held onto something there. As for the Death Penalty, it isn't revenge, look at the names of the damn thing "Death PENALTY" "CAPITAL PUNISHMENT" nope, don't see "Really Bad REVENGE" anywhere. I just think people are becoming weak, can't take death for what it really is, something that just well, happens.

May I quote from Pulp Fiction:

"Whether or not that was an according to Hoyle miracle, I don't know. But what's important is that I felt the touch of God."

Purpose or not, feeling you have a purpose means a lot in and of itself.

[twisted_screams]

Now that's a cool story. Congratulations. :D

I'll bet you're glad you had him though, no?


I am very glad i had him.:)

[General Septem]

I am very glad i had him.:)

But you would've had an abortion if you'd had the money. Many other girls are in the same position as you were every day, but many of them do have the means. Do you think it's right to let them make that decision when they could very well end up like you, their children being the best thing that would've happened to them?

What about in cases if incest? Usually victims of incest are forced to have an abortion so their uncle or father can keep their "relationship" secret. Most incest victims see pregnancy as a relief because they know it'll interfere with their rapist relatives' ravishments. Do you think it is right to allow this?

Abortion hurts women just as much as it hurts the baby, if not moreso. Women are just as much victims of abortion as their baby, if not moreso. Abortion doctors are like crack dealers; they know it hurts women but they have no reservations taking their money, reasoning "it's their choice". Well when your judgment is impaired, it's kind of hard to make choices that are actually yours. Choices that are well thought out and for which all alternatives are considered. It's no different than a crack dealer getting people addicted to crack and then taking their money, because it's "their choice" too. Only this choice not only hurts oneself but another as well.

I'm not directing this directly towards you, by the way, because I don't know your stance on abortion. I'm just putting it out there so people can think.

[who897]

So, you got your PhD and know exactly what an abortion doctor (I know it has a technical term but I'm not edjumakated like) thinks about when they perform the operation?

[twisted_screams]

This is a touchy situation for me on so many levels. I believe in abortion if it is incest or rape not so the uncle or father can hide their dirty little secrets but for the mothers sake. Try to picture this in your head for a moment ( i was physically and mentally abused so this picture might be a bit vivid to some fair warning)

One night your in your bed and a man comes into your room, Your half asleep and you realize it is your father. He has a look in his eye that scares you his pupils are big almost like he is hunting you, His eyes roam over your body making you feel as if your skin in crawling with worms on it. You try to move away but he holds you down pushing you into the bed. His hand covers your mouth its clammy feeling you try to turn your head and cant he pushes your thighs open with his knee painfully pinching the skin. His other hand roams your body then suddenly something is thrust inside you immediately your body tenses up trying to push it back out and you suddenly feel heat. Painful burning down below and you try to struggle your whole body arching trying to get him off of you. Your eyes are wide your heart beating a mile a minute and your mind kind of shuts down thinking this is no longer your father your protector. You scream against his hand your legs sliding up and down the bed as you try to crawl backwards. Then it is suddenly over and he leaves. You clean up shaking crying no longer safe in your own bed. You curl into a ball and try to sleep. Praying it never happens again.
Now think of how this girl would feel carrying this persons baby inside of her. How each time it moves it is a remembrance of something bad.

In this instance i believe in abortion for one reason and one reason only this could easily put a woman over the edge.


Now here is another scene A girl and a boy up stairs in her room they love each other and in the heat of the moment hands everywhere they decide to have sex the boy says no condom the girl says OK I trust you> They both are all over each other wanting sex. The boy forgets to pull out and the girl doesn't even notice. They laugh and giggle and hold each other afterwards and all is good.
A month later she notices her period is missed she goes to the doc and finds out she is pregnant, she chooses abortion.
Three months later she is with another boy and the same thing happens and chooses abortion again as a method of birth control.
To me this is wrong this chick should at least be made to carry her child to term and give it up for adoption, because shes basically an easy slut who more then likely will end up never taking responsibility for anything in her life and end up dead at an early age.
In this case abortion shouldn't be legal and this girl shouldn't have the right to choose or not choose because she is clearly not capable of much of anything other then spreading her legs.

As a woman i will say this personally i choose to take responsibility for my actions when my son was born. Some girls will never choose responsibility for their actions. So i cant put this subject in black and white because it will always fall into the grey for me. There are times that it makes sense and times when it pisses me off.
I do however feel like the father should have a say whether the baby is aborted or not it is his child to.
Some will claim that its the woman's body and she has to deal with all the problems and this is true but at one time she loved the father enough to lay with him and that is a responsibility in its self. If a child is conceived out of a good union then it should be up to both parents not just one.

One more thing i will say i do believe in adoption for some women ( mainly the ones that choose to use abortion for birth control) should have to either take responsibility or give their baby up to some one that will give it chance to live grow and be happy. There are many people out there that cant have kids that would be good parents if given the chance.

[who897]

One more thing i will say i do believe in adoption for some women ( mainly the ones that choose to use abortion for birth control) should have to either take responsibility or give their baby up to some one that will give it chance to live grow and be happy. There are many people out there that cant have kids that would be good parents if given the chance.


There is also a bunch of starving, homeless, parentless children in 3rd world countries, but pretty much the only people taking them in are celeberties.....perhaps these people that can't have kids should look where there is an abundance of children, and not dwell on abortion in the USA.

[General Septem]

There is also a bunch of starving, homeless, parentless children in 3rd world countries, but pretty much the only people taking them in are celeberties.....perhaps these people that can't have kids should look where there is an abundance of children, and not dwell on abortion in the USA.

Adoption or no, you can't just kill an innocent human being.

[who897]

Adoption or no, you can't just kill an innocent human being.

Sounds almost robotic, actually I could just kill an innocent human being, if I so choose, but alas, I'm not in the mood.

[General Septem]

Sounds almost robotic, actually I could just kill an innocent human being, if I so choose, but alas, I'm not in the mood.

Let me rephrase then. You can but it would be wrong.

[Ausinus]

Let me rephrase then. You can but it would be wrong.

Not when it restricts the mother's right to personal control.

[General Septem]

Not when it restricts the mother's right to personal control.

It's not personal control, it's control over someone else's life. If that's inconvenient for you, then too fucking bad.

[who897]

It's not personal control, it's control over someone else's life. If that's inconvenient for you, then too fucking bad.

It's both, but seeing as your trying to control something that you have no control over anyways, well, have fun.

[Ausinus]

It's not personal control, it's control over someone else's life. If that's inconvenient for you, then too fucking bad.

A baby can at least cost up to a million dollars to raise. They consume time. And they restrict your life.

If someone doesnt want this, why should they? It sounds like a punishment for having sex.

[General Septem]

It's both, but seeing as your trying to control something that you have no control over anyways, well, have fun.

For the last time, I'm not interested in control. Do what you will, just don't say that it's not wrong, because it is.

[who897]

Just cuz you think it's wrong does not neccisarly mean that it is wrong. It's about perspective, and I've got loads upon loads.

[General Septem]

Just cuz you think it's wrong does not neccisarly mean that it is wrong. It's about perspective, and I've got loads upon loads.

But killing another human is undeniably wrong.

[Ausinus]

But killing another human is undeniably wrong.

That is subjective. If you were raised in a society where the consensus was that killing was ok, then you would think it was too.

[who897]

Not always, sometimes it is neccisary.

[Ausinus]

Not always, sometimes it is neccisary.

Yes. The death penalty.

[General Septem]

That is subjective. If you were raised in a society where the consensus was that killing was ok, then you would think it was too.

I doubt that. I was brought up with violent TV shows and video games.

[General Septem]

Yes. The death penalty.

The death penalty is never necessary unless it's the only way to keep society safe.

[Ausinus]

I doubt that. I was brought up with violent TV shows and video games.

Our society does not think killing without necessity is ok. I meant in a society where all criminals are executed, there is no law against murder, etc.

[who897]

Just because the Video Games and the TV have violence in them does not make the society in which you live a violent one.

[Ausinus]

Exactly right.

[twisted_screams]

A baby can at least cost up to a million dollars to raise. They consume time. And they restrict your life.

If someone doesnt want this, why should they? It sounds like a punishment for having sex.


I always assumed that sex is a responsibility thats why we dont allow 4 year olds to go around screwing each other.
Sex is a pleasure but you have to be responsible at the same time here im not talking just about getting pregnant i am talking about disease too.

[ajk]

A baby can at least cost up to a million dollars to raise. They consume time. And they restrict your life.

If someone doesnt want this, why should they? It sounds like a punishment for having sex.

No it's simply being responsible for yourself and your actions. If you have sex, you should be prepared for the consequences of it. If you're not ready for it, then don't do it until you are ready.

[Ausinus]

No it's simply being responsible for yourself and your actions. If you have sex, you should be prepared for the consequences of it. If you're not ready for it, then don't do it until you are ready.


Umm hello its called a condom. Abortion is there in case of the infestimal chance of condom breakage happening. We need to educate people how to use contraception properly.

[who897]

No it's simply being responsible for yourself and your actions. If you have sex, you should be prepared for the consequences of it. If you're not ready for it, then don't do it until you are ready.


That's funny, you make it sound like having a child is a burden, or punishment.
I'm ready to have sex right now. I am ready to help the woman have an abortion. I'm also ready to raise a kid. I'm prepared on all fronts buddy.

Accordingly, if your not prepared to die, don't live.

[General Septem]

Just because the Video Games and the TV have violence in them does not make the society in which you live a violent one.

No, but all the nigger violence in the street does.

[who897]

No, but all the nigger violence in the street does.

Hey superpatriot, that's not always the case.

[General Septem]

Hey superpatriot, that's not always the case.
If you can't walk on certain streets without fear of some nigger jumping you, then you're not living in a peaceful society.

[ajk]

That's funny, you make it sound like having a child is a burden, or punishment.
I'm ready to have sex right now. I am ready to help the woman have an abortion. I'm also ready to raise a kid. I'm prepared on all fronts buddy.


Well if you're ready to raise the kid make that be known, and don't let the abortion happen. You can have a voice too. Don't be afraid to speak up if you want to keep the child, even if the woman may not.

[Ausinus]

Well if you're ready to raise the kid make that be known, and don't let the abortion happen. You can have a voice too. Don't be afraid to speak up if you want to keep the child, even if the woman may not.

The father has no rights in concern to the child, its only the mother's choice.

[ajk]

The father has no rights in concern to the child, its only the mother's choice.

Why shouldn't he? He had a hand in creating the child too did he not?

[Ausinus]

Why shouldn't he? He had a hand in creating the child too did he not?

Its the mother's uterus, not his. The right is the mother's alone.

[ajk]

Its the mother's uterus, not his. The right is the mother's alone.

That's a bunch of crap. It's not just her child, it's his child too. He should have just as much a say over the child as she does.

[Ausinus]

That's a bunch of crap. It's not just her child, it's his child too. He should have just as much a say over the child as she does.

That the problem. We men are too ignorant to understand what its like to carry a baby.

How would you like it if you were desperate to have an abortion but the guy says no?

[ajk]

That the problem. We men are too ignorant to understand what its like to carry a baby.

How would you like it if you were desperate to have an abortion but the guy says no?

No it's people like you that are ignorant to the fact that both parents should have a say in the child. They both had a hand in creating it therefore, they each deserve a say in what happens to it. It's all about give and take, that's the essence of a relationship.

[Ausinus]

No it's people like you that are ignorant to the fact that both parents should have a say in the child. They both had a hand in creating it therefore, they each deserve a say in what happens to it. It's all about give and take, that's the essence of a relationship.

Fuck that. And Germaine agrees with me. GO GERMAINE!!:D :D

Its only the women who should have the choice. ITS THEIR UTERUS. We cant be forced into hormones, cramps, back pain and mammary swelling by a woman. We shouldn't do it to them.

[ajk]

Doesn't matter. It's still YOUR CHILD too.

[Ausinus]

Doesn't matter. It's still YOUR CHILD too.

If a woman could force you to have an apple up your ass, would you think it is unfair?

[ajk]

If a woman could force you to have an apple up your ass, would you think it is unfair?

But she didn't force you into anything. You both consented into having sex, so why could you not consent as to what to do next?

[Ausinus]

But she didn't force you into anything. You both consented into having sex, so why could you not consent as to what to do next?

No but by denying her an abortion, you are forcing her to have a pregnancy.

Its the woman's uterus. Not yours.

Plus guys can always make more sperm.

[who897]

The guy is a supporting role in this little drama we like to call life. We support the women and their decisions, which ever way they go. We can voice our objections but ultimatly we are only required to comfort and confirm the woman's choice.

[who897]

If you can't walk on certain streets without fear of some nigger jumping you, then you're not living in a peaceful society.


I really hope your using that term refering to an ignorant person.

[ajk]

The guy is a supporting role in this little drama we like to call life. We support the women and their decisions, which ever way they go. We can voice our objections but ultimatly we are only required to comfort and confirm the woman's choice.

So if she wants to go out on the streets and shoot someone all we can do is say: "Ok honey, you go ahead and do what you want to" then?

[who897]

So if she wants to go out on the streets and shoot someone all we can do is say: "Ok honey, you go ahead and do what you want to" then?

Yep. It's her choice dimwit.

[ajk]

Yep. It's her choice dimwit.

Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. So it's okay to go murder someone for no reason. Wow just wow.

[General Septem]

I really hope your using that term refering to an ignorant person.

Yes, ignorant person. It would have been racist if I'd said "black person", because not all black people are niggers. I was just referring to the ones that are always high on weed soaked in PCP and who carry around filthy, clogged up guns that they don't know how to shoot but do so anyway.

[who897]

Yes, ignorant person. It would have been racist if I'd said "black person", because not all black people are niggers. I was just referring to the ones that are always high on weed soaked in PCP and who carry around filthy, clogged up guns that they don't know how to shoot but do so anyway.

Because the streets I'm on are so congested w/ these folks with their drugs and clogged guns........I have never been afraid to walk down any road, except the one where Michael Jackson lives.

[Ausinus]

Because the streets I'm on are so congested w/ these folks with their drugs and clogged guns........I have never been afraid to walk down any road, except the one where Michael Jackson lives.

"Coem with me little girl, you'll be safe. Do you by any chance have a little brother?"

LOL:D

[twisted_screams]

The father has no rights in concern to the child, its only the mother's choice.


Thats not true how would you feel if your girlfriend got pregnant and said oh by the way i am having an abortion and its my body and you have no say wouldnt you be pissed off

[twisted_screams]

The guy is a supporting role in this little drama we like to call life. We support the women and their decisions, which ever way they go. We can voice our objections but ultimatly we are only required to comfort and confirm the woman's choice.


At leat Who does the support thing with the woman but in his post he shows he would discuss it with the woman. Which is cool. As far as it being my body if i would be able to have a baby all by myself physically without a male i would say it is my choice alone but because i have to have a males sperm in that department> I think if we are in love he should have a choice because its not only my child

[Ausinus]

Thats not true how would you feel if your girlfriend got pregnant and said oh by the way i am having an abortion and its my body and you have no say wouldnt you be pissed off

Umm no. its her uterus.

[General Septem]

Umm no. its her uterus.
I hope you get shot in the dick.

[Ausinus]

Go screw margaret thatcher.

[Ausinus]

Also, if she didnt want an abortion I wouldnt press her to have one. But she will want an abortion cos shes pro-choice like me:D

[twisted_screams]

Umm no. its her uterus.


Uterus = just the package where the present is found. If i love the man that helped put the present there then its equal rights. Another reason i say this is because how many women out there do you know that claim child support and the man has to pay. Therefore the baby is also his and he has say too bottom line.

[who897]

Uterus = just the package where the present is found. If i love the man that helped put the present there then its equal rights. Another reason i say this is because how many women out there do you know that claim child support and the man has to pay. Therefore the baby is also his and he has say too bottom line.

If we open the package and find a present can we open the present then?

[twisted_screams]

If we open the package and find a present can we open the present then?


laughs your funny, but do you see what i mean about it being just the woman's choice, if that would be the case on one sided its my body ill do what i wish, shouldn't that also count for the guys out their paying child support. I mean if i sleep with a guy i love and we choose to keep the baby and years go by we get a divorce i would take him for child support claiming its his child too. Wouldn't it still be his baby too whether its in or out of me, to me it is.

If i am going to claim sole custody for the kid and decide whether or not to keep the baby or not because its my body and my choice and i take that sole responsibility on myself then i feel like the woman has no right to ask for child support.


Soooooo i say whether in or out of the uterus its is both the mothers and fathers child end of story.

I am all for women's rights, but it should go both ways, If i scream and yell i want to go to war just like a man and be on the front lines and get paid the same then i should be willing to take the same risks as that man. In my opinion some women are still on that kick its all about THEM guess what its not all about you. God i hate women like that want a piece of the pie eat it to and then spit it out and look at the man and whimper can you please get me another i am so weak and innocent.
Wish we had a gagging smiley by the way it would be put right at the end of that last statement.

[who897]

Tangent much?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

laughs your funny, but do you see what i mean about it being just the woman's choice, if that would be the case on one sided its my body ill do what i wish, shouldn't that also count for the guys out their paying child support. I mean if i sleep with a guy i love and we choose to keep the baby and years go by we get a divorce i would take him for child support claiming its his child too. Wouldn't it still be his baby too whether its in or out of me, to me it is.

If i am going to claim sole custody for the kid and decide whether or not to keep the baby or not because its my body and my choice and i take that sole responsibility on myself then i feel like the woman has no right to ask for child support.


Soooooo i say whether in or out of the uterus its is both the mothers and fathers child end of story.

I am all for women's rights, but it should go both ways, If i scream and yell i want to go to war just like a man and be on the front lines and get paid the same then i should be willing to take the same risks as that man. In my opinion some women are still on that kick its all about THEM guess what its not all about you. God i hate women like that want a piece of the pie eat it to and then spit it out and look at the man and whimper can you please get me another i am so weak and innocent.
Wish we had a gagging smiley by the way it would be put right at the end of that last statement.


I'm glad we finally have a woman in here giving her point of view on the entire abortion topic. The men in here that are for "women's rights" don't really understand the rights that the women want! I fully agree with everything that you have been saying on the subject.

[twisted_screams]

Tangent much?


Pleaseeeee smiles wickedly i don't tangent i discuss and besides i was somewhat agreeing with what you said to the other guy

[twisted_screams]

Thankyou Brains :D

[who897]

I'm glad we finally have a woman in here giving her point of view on the entire abortion topic. The men in here that are for "women's rights" don't really understand the rights that the women want! I fully agree with everything that you have been saying on the subject.

Of course we don't know what women want, that has been common knowledge since women and men have lived together and why men spend half their lives on the couch. But a woman should have a choice, it is her right. You can't take that away and then say "well, it's what they wanted", when as a whole they should have the right to choose.

[ajk]

But again she already made the choice when she had sex. Don't wanna kid, then don't have sex how hard is that to understand?

[Nobody]

This is a touchy situation for me on so many levels. I believe in abortion if it is incest or rape not so the uncle or father can hide their dirty little secrets but for the mothers sake. Try to picture this in your head for a moment ( i was physically and mentally abused so this picture might be a bit vivid to some fair warning)

One night your in your bed and a man comes into your room, Your half asleep and you realize it is your father. He has a look in his eye that scares you his pupils are big almost like he is hunting you, His eyes roam over your body making you feel as if your skin in crawling with worms on it. You try to move away but he holds you down pushing you into the bed. His hand covers your mouth its clammy feeling you try to turn your head and cant he pushes your thighs open with his knee painfully pinching the skin. His other hand roams your body then suddenly something is thrust inside you immediately your body tenses up trying to push it back out and you suddenly feel heat. Painful burning down below and you try to struggle your whole body arching trying to get him off of you. Your eyes are wide your heart beating a mile a minute and your mind kind of shuts down thinking this is no longer your father your protector. You scream against his hand your legs sliding up and down the bed as you try to crawl backwards. Then it is suddenly over and he leaves. You clean up shaking crying no longer safe in your own bed. You curl into a ball and try to sleep. Praying it never happens again.
Now think of how this girl would feel carrying this persons baby inside of her. How each time it moves it is a remembrance of something bad.

In this instance i believe in abortion for one reason and one reason only this could easily put a woman over the edge.


Now here is another scene A girl and a boy up stairs in her room they love each other and in the heat of the moment hands everywhere they decide to have sex the boy says no condom the girl says OK I trust you> They both are all over each other wanting sex. The boy forgets to pull out and the girl doesn't even notice. They laugh and giggle and hold each other afterwards and all is good.
A month later she notices her period is missed she goes to the doc and finds out she is pregnant, she chooses abortion.
Three months later she is with another boy and the same thing happens and chooses abortion again as a method of birth control.
To me this is wrong this chick should at least be made to carry her child to term and give it up for adoption, because shes basically an easy slut who more then likely will end up never taking responsibility for anything in her life and end up dead at an early age.
In this case abortion shouldn't be legal and this girl shouldn't have the right to choose or not choose because she is clearly not capable of much of anything other then spreading her legs.

As a woman i will say this personally i choose to take responsibility for my actions when my son was born. Some girls will never choose responsibility for their actions. So i cant put this subject in black and white because it will always fall into the grey for me. There are times that it makes sense and times when it pisses me off.
I do however feel like the father should have a say whether the baby is aborted or not it is his child to.
Some will claim that its the woman's body and she has to deal with all the problems and this is true but at one time she loved the father enough to lay with him and that is a responsibility in its self. If a child is conceived out of a good union then it should be up to both parents not just one.

One more thing i will say i do believe in adoption for some women ( mainly the ones that choose to use abortion for birth control) should have to either take responsibility or give their baby up to some one that will give it chance to live grow and be happy. There are many people out there that cant have kids that would be good parents if given the chance.
..........You expressed a lot about real life details, in the first scenerio. Did this happen to you?

[Nobody]

That is subjective. If you were raised in a society where the consensus was that killing was ok, then you would think it was too.
.......Just as it was in the biblical times,when people were stoned to death, and as it is now, with the boyz in the hood, and those that act the same.(wiggers)

[Nobody]

A baby can at least cost up to a million dollars to raise. They consume time. And they restrict your life.

If someone doesnt want this, why should they? It sounds like a punishment for having sex.
..... They do cost a lot to raise. The time they consume, dosen't matter. You don't realise,they're consuming anything, untill you have one.( My wife and I, had 6, and we had fun all the time). I wasn't ready for kids when my wife first told me of her first pregnancy. But after that, I had to wonder what would that little person be like, later on. I changed dirty diapers, I watched them, while my wife took a break, but what ,over time I witnessed these little guys take on there own personalities. My oldest is 24, and my youngest is 14. You don't know what is good for YOU, (abortion), untill you''re in that situation.

[Nobody]

The guy is a supporting role in this little drama we like to call life. We support the women and their decisions, which ever way they go. We can voice our objections but ultimatly we are only required to comfort and confirm the woman's choice.
.........You only have to do that if your married, or discussing these topics, while your getting laid! Other wise, you have to satisfy, your own judgment first.

[Nobody]

I really hope your using that term refering to an ignorant person.
........We know who the blacks are. The blacks also know who the niggers are. Don't get too politicly correct.

[twisted_screams]

I wasn't sexually abused as a kid but i was physically abused and most of all mentally abused as a kid. As far as what i wrote and the detail it happened to a friend of mine. It was her uncle which before this happened she idolized but what i wanted to get out basically is their are reasons for abortion and reasons not to abort it all depends on the situtation. When i write in these posts its just my opinion but i hope it will show others that situtations are different with everyone and in the big scheme of things there is not right or wrong answer you just have to do whats right for you and your family in the long run

[who897]

........We know who the blacks are. The blacks also know who the niggers are. Don't get too politicly correct.

I just don't think it's rather acceptable to throw round racial slurs ie: Jews, Spicks, Wetbacks, chinks, and Niggers. It shows a lack of tolerance, ignorance, and a regresion in societies progress.

[General Septem]

I just don't think it's rather acceptable to throw round racial slurs ie: Jews, Spicks, Wetbacks, chinks, and Niggers. It shows a lack of tolerance, ignorance, and a regresion in societies progress.

As opposed to advocating the mass murder of people who are deadweights to society?

[ajk]

I wasn't sexually abused as a kid but i was physically abused and most of all mentally abused as a kid. As far as what i wrote and the detail it happened to a friend of mine. It was her uncle which before this happened she idolized but what i wanted to get out basically is their are reasons for abortion and reasons not to abort it all depends on the situtation. When i write in these posts its just my opinion but i hope it will show others that situtations are different with everyone and in the big scheme of things there is not right or wrong answer you just have to do whats right for you and your family in the long run

I have to disagree with that. I understand what you are saying, how it can be hard in certain situations (ie: rape), but at the same time that life in the mother's womb is precious regardless of how it may have got there. To me there is never a right time for an abortion.

[Nobody]

I just don't think it's rather acceptable to throw round racial slurs ie: Jews, Spicks, Wetbacks, chinks, and Niggers. It shows a lack of tolerance, ignorance, and a regresion in societies progress.
....When you've been attacked by,a peticular stereotyped group of people, your tolerance level is ZERO. When they insist on acting the way they do, then the word that best fits,is the one used. Thats not being ignorant, thats being street smart, in the sense that you dont want involved in that shit again.The only regressions in sociaties progress is, when our law makers, create stupid laws that "we can't hurt anyones feelings", and everything said by a white person, or done by a white person( to protect himself), is deemed a hate crime. I do not have a problem with blacks. Niggers, and those that act like niggers.

[Nobody]

I was traveling this past week, and stopped to get a meal . The restarant had a buffet, but it was late enough ,they were already taking it down, so as everyone else there ,I ordered from the menu. This black guy comes in, goes to the buffet,and says"you closed?" They told him yes. So he picks up a plate, and procedes to fill it from the buffet. The guy cleaning it off, told him again they were closed. So the black dude gets pissed, and started with the racial crap, calling people fucking honkies, and wanted to see the manager. The manager gave him all he wanted, and for free. I got up and left. So, what do you HIM?

[who897]

As opposed to advocating the mass murder of people who are deadweights to society?

I don't advocate mass murder period. Abortion is not murder, it is termination of pregnancy. As for the slurs they are hate. As I have said before I may dislike people a great deal, but I would never hate anyone. Just like I dislike your all stance on abortion, if I hated it I'd be shooting those fucking idiots standing in front of abortion clinics harrassing the women that go there, or those fuck dicks that go to soldiers funerals with signs that say "god hates fags".


.When you've been attacked by,a peticular stereotyped group of people, your tolerance level is ZERO. When they insist on acting the way they do, then the word that best fits,is the one used. Thats not being ignorant, thats being street smart, in the sense that you dont want involved in that shit again.The only regressions in sociaties progress is, when our law makers, create stupid laws that "we can't hurt anyones feelings", and everything said by a white person, or done by a white person( to protect himself), is deemed a hate crime. I do not have a problem with blacks. Niggers, and those that act like niggers.

That's like being bit by a dog. Afterwards you think all dogs will bite you just because they are furry, so you live your life in fear. Casting stereotypes are ignorant, pure and simple, because anyone can pull of any kinda shit that those stereotypes are trying to label on one group of folks.

[General Septem]

That's like being bit by a dog. Afterwards you think all dogs will bite you just because they are furry, so you live your life in fear. Casting stereotypes are ignorant, pure and simple, because anyone can pull of any kinda shit that those stereotypes are trying to label on one group of folks.

More like expecting dogs to try and bite you because they're barking violently and chasing your ass down the street... not just because they're "furry". In the same way I don't expect all blacks to be niggers, just the irresponsible ones.

[who897]

So, how would you know who is irresponsible or not? Just by looking at them? Let someones actions define their character not their affiliation of a group of people.

[General Septem]

So, how would you know who is irresponsible or not? Just by looking at them? Let someones actions define their character not their affiliation of a group of people.

Yes, by looking at them, because when you look at someone you're observing their actions. Subtle actions but actions nonetheless.

[who897]

That's observation. If you just look at someone you don't have a broad spectrum of what is going on. That is ignorance.

[General Septem]

That's observation. If you just look at someone you don't have a broad spectrum of what is going on. That is ignorance.

That's why I don't act like I'm expecting them to turn out to be niggers when I approach them, because I realize someone may look unfriendly at first but just have something on their mind or something. I still approach cautiously. If some raghead was pointing a gun at you, would you not assume the vast probability that he considers you an enemy?

[who897]

Raghead=slur....man, for a person of faith you sure don't show much tolerance to others, or love to your common man.

If anyone is pointing a gun at me, last thing on my mind is "is this a potential enemy". First thing is what are the circumstances, how to escape from situation, how to protect myself, and if circumstances warrent how to disarm the armed person.

[General Septem]

Raghead=slur....man, for a person of faith you sure don't show much tolerance to others, or love to your common man.

If anyone is pointing a gun at me, last thing on my mind is "is this a potential enemy". First thing is what are the circumstances, how to escape from situation, how to protect myself, and if circumstances warrent how to disarm the armed person.

"Raghead" is a visual albeit crude description of anyone wearing a turban. It is not in and of itself connected to hate, it is only said hatefully.

There are no hateful words, only words said hatefully, and any word can be said hatefully.

If someone's pointing a gun at you, do you assume he is a man of peace?

[who897]

I don't assume, it makes an ass outta u and me. It depends on the circumstances once again. If a cop is pointing a gun at you, after you shot a hundered people, I'm sure he's a man of peace. If a soldier is guarding a check point, and points his gun at you because you don't have the visual verification to pass the check point, he is promoting the peace. There are a freakin million scenario's where a man could be point a gun at you in peace, same holds true for a man of destruction. Also, insert /women/children after all men, cuz that is another variable that could be thrown in to change the infinate amount of circumstances.