My thoughts on Education

[Danny]

I think that the school system needs to really re-think the way public schooling systems are taught. Look at a lot of today's kids, me being one I see these kids everyday. Half of the kids at school are nothing but drug addicts & alcoholic's! Average GPA's for school's are 1.0's & 2.0's! It's discusting that schooling has gone down the drain like this and that the only place you can get a real education is a firm private school! Isn't that BULLSHIT?

[Josh]

Schools in america always bitch about not getting enough money from the government. Japan spends a shit load less on schooling than we do and their 10 times more successful. But we don't compare ourselves to Japan or other succefull countries, do we? Instead we compare florida to california and georgia to alaska. It's BULLSHIT!

[dancer]

If parents believe their jobs, their TV programs or their personal lives are more important than sitting down with their kids to do the homework together, there is no money in the world that can help our kids' education.

It does not matter the parents know the topics or not, all they need to know is what areas their kids are having problems and then seek help. And help is everywhere.

Only the demanding parents can shape the teacher's quality eventually because they get their kids ready mentally and academically before the class begins. Would they dare just pour out the BULLSHUT in the class ? I bet they will be ready before they walk into the class too!

[Brewsta]

yawn


259 years history....wow......my country has only been around for 2300 years.......worldbeaters .......grow it up.......children with nukes......fuck !!

you can keep any world led by the usa.....i am gone.

B says.......grow up.....now !!!!!

[Josh]

Wow. I bet that was really easy to say.

[ass]

yea, really easy to say cause his mouth is lubricated with his father's cum

[Beavis]

ouch....thats low...but funny....

[Danny]

lmao! nice ass :P

[I am Normal! Hahahaha!]

:eek: wtf! I think this so stupid to be a thread!

[Hayley719]

hey fuck school.

[I am Normal! Hahahaha!]

School need to be here, so don't say fuck school. For some that's the only way to excape life for a breif moment.

[I am Normal! Hahahaha!]

For some students, school is a safe haven to excape reality for one beif moment. Also to get there minds set for college or the work force, so don't say fuck school, we need it.

[flyboys world]

I think that the school system needs to really re-think the way public schooling systems are taught. Look at a lot of today's kids, me being one I see these kids everyday. Half of the kids at school are nothing but drug addicts & alcoholic's! Average GPA's for school's are 1.0's & 2.0's! It's discusting that schooling has gone down the drain like this and that the only place you can get a real education is a firm private school! Isn't that BULLSHIT?

hey go back to school yourself and learn how to spell, idiot

[flyboys world]

You should know! You need to stay in school or go back to learn how to spell, idiot.

[Zzyzx]

yawn


259 years history....wow......my country has only been around for 2300 years.......worldbeaters .......grow it up.......children with nukes......fuck !!

you can keep any world led by the usa.....i am gone.

B says.......grow up.....now !!!!!

Yeah, pardon me about this post; it really has nothing to do with the topic, but needs to be said:

Your country may be 2300 years old, but you're what - 4? Imagine if the lone superpower in the world was, say, the Soviet Union. Those government-issued shoes look good on you, comrade. Get off this public-internet terminal and get back to mining coal. Oh, no, wait, interwhat?

Take your socialist, holier-than-thou bullshit and quit 'yer whinin'.

[General Septem]

You should know! You need to stay in school or go back to learn how to spell, idiot.

And you should stop smoking marijuana. If your memory wasn't so fucked, you'd remember posting this exact thing in the previous post.

Education isn't bullshit, but the way America in particular goes about it certainly is. Seriously, can't we do something about all the teenage pregnancies (besides free condoms and birth control), drugs, violence, and all that other bullshit? I'd rather join the military than go back to school, and I despise the country I'd be fighting for if I did.

[Mourningstar]

Actually, I'd argue that schools do an excellent job of accomplishing what they set out to do. The only catch to this statement is the fact that the school system as a whole is not designed to educate children, nor prepare them for adulthood.

Having said that I would like to point out that this does not mean that teachers aren't trying to educate chidlren or prepare them for adulthood. I believe that most teachers are in fact trying to do just that.

I just think that we need to draw a distinction here between teachers and the school system that they operate within. Teachers enter their profession, I think, primarily for two reasons: to help children learn or to continue enjoying summer vacation. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems to me based on conversations that I've had with teachers.

Teachers, I believe, want to help children grow and learn and reach their full potential. The only problem is that the current school system is not designed to help children reach their full potential. The current school system used both in Canada (my neck of the woods) and the United States (as well as most other industrialized nations of the world) is based on a design from Prussia, created to produce obedient and loyal soldiers and workers who could be made to better serve the will of the state. I highly recommend the writings of Grace Llewellyn, John Holt and John Taylor Gatto (New York City Teacher of the Year) for more information. Gatto has his own website with a complete transcript of one of his books online, it is excellent reading.

I think that as long as our teachers have to fight the actual design of the system, we can expect to get very mixed results from our schools. We need to either admit that all we want to produce are soldiers and workers (what was that about socialism and fascism again?) or we need to rework the system itself and maybe give our children and our teachers a fighting chance.

[fulloshitt]

There's no Constitutional basis for government involvment in education. Education is the responsibility of the parents, not the government. Schools should be privitized and government schools, which are essentially indoctrination centers, should be closed or required to compete for students in a cost effective manner. Taxpayer support of schools should stop immediately and taxes should be reduced accordingly.

[da holly shit]

i live in sweden so i dnt now about american skool i just want 2 point out that the skools arent the problem u just ave 2 motivate the students 2 learn sumfin instead of sittin at home with sum buddis drinkin

[Josh]

i live in sweden so i dnt now about american skool i just want 2 point out that the skools arent the problem u just ave 2 motivate the students 2 learn sumfin instead of sittin at home with sum buddis drinkin

dot dot dot

[brit_sar2006]

ok maybe you are from sweeden but that dosent mean that you diss us and our schools and for your problems drinking is done mostly on friday nights and on the weekend so i dont know how it is in sweened but its not like that here....
:p

[Josh]

ok maybe you are from sweeden but that dosent mean that you diss us and our schools and for your problems drinking is done mostly on friday nights and on the weekend so i dont know how it is in sweened but its not like that here....
:p

You are confused

[Proud 2 b White]

The biggts problem with schools started when integration happened. Nobody really wanted it and the whites pulled their kids out and the schools lost funding. Teachers became low wage earners and the quality of teaching dried up.

[freakazoid]

The biggts problem with schools started when integration happened. Nobody really wanted it and the whites pulled their kids out and the schools lost funding. Teachers became low wage earners and the quality of teaching dried up.

A pile of ignorant crap.

[beelzebub]

A pile of ignorant crap.

Actually the racist has a point. Integration occurred and schools degraded. Not because African American's brought it down but because the value placed on schools by the American public went down. This means lack of funding and the loss of esteem for teachers.

[freakazoid]

I think that the school system needs to really re-think the way public schooling systems are taught. Look at a lot of today's kids, me being one I see these kids everyday. Half of the kids at school are nothing but drug addicts & alcoholic's! Average GPA's for school's are 1.0's & 2.0's! It's discusting that schooling has gone down the drain like this and that the only place you can get a real education is a firm private school! Isn't that BULLSHIT?
What do you think shoud be done?

[freakazoid]

Actually the racist has a point. Integration occurred and schools degraded. Not because African American's brought it down but because the value placed on schools by the American public went down. This means lack of funding and the loss of esteem for teachers.
Possible, but blaming Blacks is stupidity in the extreme.

[RandomPerson]

Well, it wasn't really any specific racial group in particular. For those of you who don't know, integration occurred to mix minorities with whites in schools across the country. However, the problem wasn't the idea. The idea was somewhat decent (depending on which method of integration you look at). The problem lied in with technology. Transportation had advanced and many families were able to afford cars. They saw that they could get a bigger living space in the newly developed suburbs and still work in the city, so they moved out. And since this was right after the civil rights movement, not many minorities had money for such things. So, many whites and few minorities moved to the suburbs, while many minorities and few whites stayed in the cities. So, the current standards of schools today with segregation isn't the fault of one racial group of people; the government just didn't think about the advent of private cars.

Now, frankly, I think the whole education system needs a revolution if we really want to try to make the kids of the future more successful for when they're older. The elementry, middle, and high school format needs to be revamped. Kids need to be pushed a bit harder in their early education. There really is no need for kids to have so many years of elementry school. Is it really necessary to have three years where all kids learn how to do is adding, subtracting, and the basics of reading and writing? I'm basing this off of personal experience, of course. Kindergarten through 2nd grade for me was learning all that. It could be easily formed into one year of classes until the next year when they can learn to multiply, divide, and read & write a bit better. This form of condensing early education could apply to other grades down the line as well. Some years of early education are not needed. And foreign languages really need to be introduced at an early age too. It helps to have 8 years of a language from a young age rather than 2 to 4 when a child's older.
That's just the first part of my idea. The second part is that there should be an entrance exam that determines whether or not the student can moved on to what would be the equivilent of high school. If the classes were modified enough, all the essential rules of grammar and math and the important parts of science and history should be learned by the end of the equivilent of middle school. By that time, any other academic education should only be used on those that will actually be able to use it.
Sure, I know many people would argue that this idea is very elitist, and yeah, I acknoledge that for some of it. But it's also rational (which I know the American public hates). What is the point of kids, who have no potential to succeed academically, to go to try to further their academic success when they will just perform horribly or fail? These types of kids who fail the entrance exam need to instead of further academic schooling go to a vocational school to learn a trade. They have a better chance at having a successful life if they didn't waste their time trying to understand Algebra and Shakespeare for four years.
I'm not trying to say that because some kids are dumb they shouldn't have a chance to attend high school. I'm saying that there is no point for them to attend if they are just going to go to some form of vocational training right after graduation. And hey, if parents really want their special child to continue in school and fail, fine. There can be a form that can overrule the test if the parents wish. But seriously, I'd rather see a kid go off and learn to be an electrician or a plumber rather than waste their time learning about Iambic Pentameter and Sines.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Is it really necessary to have three years where all kids learn how to do is adding, subtracting, and the basics of reading and writing? I'm basing this off of personal experience, of course. Kindergarten through 2nd grade for me was learning all that. It could be easily formed into one year of classes until the next year when they can learn to multiply, divide, and read & write a bit better.

In a perfect world that would be great. But the simple fact is that most kids don't learn those things that quickly. However when I went to school, areas where students abilities differed such as Math split the classes up into their personal ability levels during the 3rd grade years and beyond. I think this worked well for all students to advance at their best pace. And I hear that now schools aren't giving all students the same assignments, the better the student the more numerous or difficult the assignments so that all students can progress at their highest learning pace. ALL students would love your idea of having fewer years of required school, but in reality it just isn't realistic.


It helps to have 8 years of a language from a young age rather than 2 to 4 when a child's older.

Yes, it would be very great to have a language right from the start, and they should get that going for everyone. ESL is a mandatory class for all the little Chicanos up here until they learn to speak it fluently because that's the only language that all Americans are expected to know. We need to start having mandatory SSL classes for the little crackas too.



The second part is that there should be an entrance exam that determines whether or not the student can moved on to what would be the equivilent of high school.

Wow, that would be a big switch. I don't agree. High School shouldn't be something that you have to pass an exam to get into....that exam is simply passing the earlier grades. Instead there should be greater expectations in passing the earlier grades. Maybe children who are deemed to have little chance in high school or the sort can sit down with a counselor and their parents and discuss other options such as the vocational school you suggested.

[RandomPerson]

I can understand what you're saying about the idea that kid's don't learn that fast, but I'm not 100% convinced that's true. I've seen most kids pick up the basics easily, but I've also seen it where they don't do it as well. I'm not sure; it's something that would have to be tested I think. But yeah, your school's method of helping out students by splitting the class up sounds good; my school didn't have such an idea except of course for the gifted kids program and the speds, but that was it. As for reducing the years, I more so suggested that not to be for kids to think "Yay!! Less school!!," but more so for not wasting two years teaching the same stuff over and over, but that just goes back to what I said earlier in the post about different learning abilities and such, so we'll leave it at that.

And I can understand why you see my exam for high school a bit radical, but when I was in high school, it'd just seemed like a lot of kids were wasting there time being there. Sure, they passed Middle School, but when I got straight A's in the honors classes by doing minimum work, I'm suspecting there's gotta be a low expectation for how well the students perform. But yeah, that would mean the expecations of school would need to be higher as you said; the idea about the parents meeting with the counselor about the student's grades and options is a good one, though again, I think that might not work as well because this isn't a perfect world, and many parents are blinded by having a child and think it is the most special thing in the world and any mention of mediocracy or being below average hurts a parent's pride. So, that may or may not work. Who knows? These are just ideas as to how the system should be changed, which I think we all can agree upon that it does need an overhaul.

[spankin-it]

Dude America= the shit, greatest country in the world.
I love America, and have a big problem with people who live here and bitch about how much they hate America. If you dont like my country then get the fuck out you little bastard. Im sick of all these fucking kids at my school that are from different countries and all they do is bitch about how much they hate America while getting free government aid from the country. they are all ungratefull cock sucking pieces of shit. Oh yeah and about education, get ride of the ridiculus no kid left behind policy, pay the teachers a little more, and dont worry about kids drinking and doing drugs. almost everyone does that stuff in highschool and college, its a learning experience. Its better to have them do it then in school and get the shit out of their system before moving on to "real life". And if they keep drinking or doing drugs messing up their lives then so be it. It's their choice and there will always be fuck ups in the world.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

... dont worry about kids drinking and doing drugs. almost everyone does that stuff in highschool and college, its a learning experience. Its better to have them do it then in school and get the shit out of their system before moving on to "real life". And if they keep drinking or doing drugs messing up their lives then so be it. It's their choice and there will always be fuck ups in the world.

Better? How? The younger you are, the easier it is to become addicted to things like alcohol and drugs. Better to limit this as best we can. But do something to make the parents put more effort into stopping their little bastards.

Sure, there will always be fuck-ups in the world.....most of us need do nothing more to find one than to look in a mirror. But that doesn't mean we can't bring down the numbers.

[RandomPerson]

First off, America is not the greatest country in the world, nor is it the most free. As for this aid from the government, I'd like to know what you are talking about there. If you're thinking welfare, you're sadly mistaken. Or are you talking about public schooling, which isn't free since your parents are the ones paying the school taxes. You want to see a better country? It's north of the United States; it's called Canada. They give all of their citizens health care.
Second, kids shouldn't be allowed to just experiment with drugs because they need to get it out of their system. That's bullshit; leaving them to their own ideas will lead to their downfall. They don't know about the hazards that comes with drugs. And BBO is right, many people get addicted to drugs at a young age and never stop. I know many people who smoke cigarettes that started when they were a teen; however, I don't know anybody who ever picked up the habit past 25. It's true that kids will be kids and do what they want, but they should at least be educated about what can happen to them. But then again, ignorance is bliss, isn't it, spanky?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Or are you talking about public schooling, which isn't free since your parents are the ones paying the school taxes. You want to see a better country? It's north of the United States; it's called Canada. They give all of their citizens health care.

That health care they recieve isn't GIVEN to their citizens any more than the public schools are free. Taxes are much higher in Canada to compensate for the free health care. The point is, however, that it doesn't matter whether or not you pay for these things, as long as you are a legal citizen of the country where these FREE SERVICES are provided you have a right to claim their advantages which is why they are deemed free services.

[vulcan]

Parents are too busy getting drunk watching National Pornography, and getting a secon job to have a huge home, with a pool and a pool table while working in Walmart or Lowe's they could care less about their kids, the goverment can't take care of everything. Parent are responsible for their kids not the teachers, some of the teachers just got a job as a teacher and guess what that's all a job. Years ago I went to one of my kid teachers and I asked her about the books she was reading to my daughter, her answer was firm but nice, she didn't have to show me anything thing and if I wanted to see the books she was reading to my daughter I had to go to the Principal,
which I did and I took my daughter out of school and we Homeschool her all her schooling now she is in College. And believe me she is better off that way.
Now I understand Homeschooling is not for everybody, economically did affect my family, my wife this all the schooling and she still is doing it with my last boy. My house is just a rowhome, and we have no saving for retierment but when one day they put me in a box and throught some dirt on me my soul is going to be in peace because I assumed the responsibility of raising my kids. Vulcan

[spankin-it]

How is America not the greatest country in the world? In America we have rights and freedoms that the majority of the world cant even begin to imagine. Sure Canada has free health care but when you get right down to it its not really free. The Canadian people are taxed extremely heavily in order for thier Government to be able to aford to give them "free health care". Sure they get free medical treatment but they also pay up to 14 dollars for a pack of smokes, a single pack. and rightfully so because if your going to smoke and increase your chances of needing that free health care then your going to pay for it someway. but its not just smokes that are taxed in canada and other countries with free health care but all goods are taxed to the max (That rhyms, I like it, it makes me giggle). Not only that but in Canada the Government takes about 50% of peoples pay checks for taxes. So Canada dosnt really get free health care thats just something they like to claim, it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside, probly turns them on a little. but the truth is Canadians are paying for thier health care the only difference is they pay up front and Americans pay on delivery.
As far as the kids doing drugs and alchol thing Ill admit I was a little.....blunt....or harsh or something Im not sure exactly which word im looking for here, but I dont think your age plays in factor what so ever in if you are going to become addicted to something or not. And kids did drus and drank at young ages 40,30,and 20 years ago and sure some of them fucked thier lives up but alot of them are now fine acceptable members of society. Becoming addicted depends on the Individual not the age. to say a 15 year old is more likely to become a crack addict then a 22 year old is ridiculus. I have never done drugs but I do know people who do and they are fine. they smoke pot but they still get good grades in school, and hold down steady jobs. I personally dont aprove of them doing drugs, but if they want to do drugs and they can still keep thier life in order then thats fine with me.
Oh and Canada's Government is based off of America's, and the only thing stoping some other Country from invading and totally ass pounding Canada is America. So in other words Fuck Canada.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Becoming addicted depends on the Individual not the age. to say a 15 year old is more likely to become a crack addict then a 22 year old is ridiculus.

Far from it. Studies have proven that it is MUCH less likely for a person to become addicted to cigarettes if you didn't start at a young age. This goes the same for alcohol and other drugs. Yes, it depends on who you are, but at a young age you are still defining WHO you are, and addictive elements are inevitably going to be a part of this definition.



I have never done drugs but I do know people who do and they are fine. they smoke pot but they still get good grades in school, and hold down steady jobs. I personally dont aprove of them doing drugs, but if they want to do drugs and they can still keep thier life in order then thats fine with me.

Good for you, don't let yourself get into it. You'll only start liking it AFTER you're addicted, and that will be your reason to keep doing, that and the fact that you don't (yet) see any bad effects from it. As for your friends, maybe they're doing ok now, but I doubt that they'll be able to control themselves properly forever. Eventually the addiction will take over unless they are very strongly willed.

[hkdbadreligion]

Dude America= the shit, greatest country in the world.
I love America, and have a big problem with people who live here and bitch about how much they hate America. If you dont like my country then get the fuck out you little bastard. Im sick of all these fucking kids at my school that are from different countries and all they do is bitch about how much they hate America while getting free government aid from the country. they are all ungratefull cock sucking pieces of shit. Oh yeah and about education, get ride of the ridiculus no kid left behind policy, pay the teachers a little more, and dont worry about kids drinking and doing drugs. almost everyone does that stuff in highschool and college, its a learning experience. Its better to have them do it then in school and get the shit out of their system before moving on to "real life". And if they keep drinking or doing drugs messing up their lives then so be it. It's their choice and there will always be fuck ups in the world.

Spankin-It, I now award you with "Most Ignorant Post of the New Century Award". Take pride in it, what little you can offer with your uneducated ass.

First of all, Being under 18 is a huge limitation. So, we cant exactly get "the fuck out" of "your" country until we are. Second, you are just another little ignorant conformist. You do all the shit the "cool" people do like drugs and alcohol because you haven't the ability to think independently. Conformists arent people, just ants that follow the scented trail of all the others and obey every comand of the queen. Bitch. you'll burn in hell.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Spankin-It, I now award you with "Most Ignorant Post of the New Century Award". Take pride in it, what little you can offer with your uneducated ass.

First of all, Being under 18 is a huge limitation. So, we cant exactly get "the fuck out" of "your" country until we are. Second, you are just another little ignorant conformist. You do all the shit the "cool" people do like drugs and alcohol because you haven't the ability to think independently. Conformists arent people, just ants that follow the scented trail of all the others and obey every comand of the queen. Bitch. you'll burn in hell.

Regardless of how dumb we think eachother is (badreligion, spankin....others....) what is it about other countries that makes them better than the US? I'm sure they'll have certain things better than we do in America, but the riding argument is that overall America has it better. If you think otherwise then it should be very difficult finding a good reason to stay. If you are stuck here simply by the limits of time, (the under 18 problem that badreligion has,) then you should just bite your toungue for that time before someone kicks your ass. Bitch about America after you've found and experienced something better, in the company of those who agree with you.

[hkdbadreligion]

point goes to BBO

[beelzebub]

For once, blame the student
By Patrick Welsh
Failure in the classroom is often tied to lack offunding, poor teachers or other ills. Here's a thought: Maybe it's the failed work ethic of todays kids. That's what I'm seeing in my school. Until reformers see thisreality, little will change.

Want to read what the problem with education is REALLY???
click here for the full article!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-07-forum-students_x.htm

[hkdbadreligion]

In my classes too many students expect everything to be handed to them, a list of words for the blanks, the answer to be obvious among the other choices, extra credit, notes already printed out, etc. They all complain about their schoolwork cutting into their own time. My friend from Finland said that over there they had loads of homework every day and cover an entire schoolbook in less than a semester. Highschool over there is like college in America. English isnt even his first language and he has the highest grades in some of his classes. America is pathetic.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

Don't blame America. blame yourselves. The teachers are supposed to find ways to make the kids smarter. You forget, the teacher is the authoritative figure. If they demand that you make things easier for them, tell them that it is not their choice. Encourage them to do what it takes to get the grade without the teacher handing it to them. I strongly believe that any failure in our schools can't possibly be blamed on the children, but on the Teachers and Parents not giving their children proper encouragement to improve.

[hkdbadreligion]

Wait, so are you blaming the students or the teachers?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

The teachers and the parents are who I blame. I don't see how we can blame the students. If you are responsible for teaching them, then there is no one to blame but yourself for their failures.

[hkdbadreligion]

I blame many teachers for not being realistic enough with their teaching, the government for not paying the teachers enough, the students for their lack of motivation and will to learn, and parents for raising such a lazy generation.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

I blame many teachers for not being realistic enough with their teaching, the government for not paying the teachers enough, the students for their lack of motivation and will to learn, and parents for raising such a lazy generation.

You can't blame the students for lacking motivation or the will to learn. That is the job of the teachers and parents to create those for each student.

[truth.357]

Hey people just need to wake up.Your child or anyone elses doesn't have to wak eup to certain things and just say "I would love to go to school,I would love to do my homework, I would love to study for my tests"....Hell NO.WAKE up those same people get picked on, hated, embaressed, harrassed, and so on.And the support at home suxs as well.Only to what wake up and go to that day in and day out.We ALL need to WAKE UP.People just want to believe religon or parents what decide to make shit bad.Hell no kids now adays believe all this is just simple and before you wouldn't see that.THats because of lack of understanding.With change there must be change.Life is going to knock all them little smart asses out cold and what then the next generation is fucked......we are all to blame and you know what it doesn't help to blame others because that kid could turn it all around if he wanted to.He has just got to want to.

You now its the TRUTH.357

[hkdbadreligion]

So, you blame the students?

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

yea, not really sure if he's getting at blaming anyone, just saying that the kids are fucked and there's nothing we can do about it. Oh well, I'll be prepared for anarchy in the coming generation.

[hkdbadreligion]

I've stated who I blame and stand by it.

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

yea....and who asked?

[hkdbadreligion]

As I grab my dick I say, "Your mother".

[Brains_Behind_Operation]

wow, could that comment BE any more original? Seriously, who writes your material?

[hkdbadreligion]

My damn slave. Yeah, he's gettin a whippin for that one.