Which one is right?

[MrBirdy]

How do you know your religion is the right one?

[who897]

Because my god has a bigger dick then your god.

[General Septem]

Because it is devoid of the bullshit other religions have.

[Ausinus]

If anything, Buddhism is less bullshitty than Catholicism.

[twisted_screams]

You don't because half of the people that preach the beliefs don't know what they are talking about and as far as the bible goes it can be intererpted in a million and one ways. Stick to what i do Try and be a good person and try to make your kids and family be good people and work hard for the things you want in life just try to do it where you don't step on peoples heads while heading up the ladder.
Then you'll be a good person and in the end its what you think about yourself that really matters not a bunch of other people:D

[Ausinus]

You are such a good person:D

[theicidal maniac]

Somebody name one thing that the bible contributes to society. One thing that it gives us that it alone can give us, and I'll stop using the pages to keep my ass dingleberry-free. Tell me one thing that religion does that makes it indispensible...JUST ONE THING, and I'll weigh it against all the negative and see if it is worth it to hold on to that security blanket. Here's ypur chance theist...prove an atheist wrong and bring him back to the fold....(6)

[Seth=L]

Somebody name one thing that the bible contributes to society. One thing that it gives us that it alone can give us, and I'll stop using the pages to keep my ass dingleberry-free. Tell me one thing that religion does that makes it indispensible...JUST ONE THING, and I'll weigh it against all the negative and see if it is worth it to hold on to that security blanket. Here's ypur chance theist...prove an atheist wrong and bring him back to the fold....(6)
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MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Seth=L]

Somebody name one thing that the bible contributes to society. One thing that it gives us that it alone can give us, and I'll stop using the pages to keep my ass dingleberry-free. Tell me one thing that religion does that makes it indispensible...JUST ONE THING, and I'll weigh it against all the negative and see if it is worth it to hold on to that security blanket. Here's ypur chance theist...prove an atheist wrong and bring him back to the fold....(6)
It lays a basic outline of what is right and wrong for one.

[twisted_screams]

It depends on how you interpret the bible. I have read it a few times. In all honesty it may have fit society then but it doesn't really fit today's that much at all. Here is an example. My x mother in law is a pentacostal and she believes women shouldn't cut their hair wear jewelry, dance, watch tv etc.
I used to argue you with her on this constantly because her particular religions believes that they should take the bible literally so i asked her where in the bible does it say that you shouldn't watch tv she said it said about worldly things. I was like well how do you know it means tv specifically she said it does.
It is all how it is interpreted bottom line and i don't think personally that it is all there sooooooo with that said how can one use the bible for instruction if half the manual is missing

[ajk]

Somebody name one thing that the bible contributes to society. One thing that it gives us that it alone can give us, and I'll stop using the pages to keep my ass dingleberry-free. Tell me one thing that religion does that makes it indispensible...JUST ONE THING, and I'll weigh it against all the negative and see if it is worth it to hold on to that security blanket. Here's ypur chance theist...prove an atheist wrong and bring him back to the fold....(6)

I think it helps keep society in check for one. If you look at what goes on in the world today when God has been taken out of it to a certain extent, I'd say society is better off having those rules in place then not. Without them there, you get chaos.

[Ausinus]

But with them in, you get the Middle Ages. QED

[theicidal maniac]

well that's not true at all. The idea that rules and morals come from the bible ignores all the cultures that don't have the bible. Ther IS NO society without laws. There are multitudes of them that do not have scripture.

[Ausinus]

The majority, if not all, of non christian civilisations have had laws against murder etc. Its only those junky "no gays" laws etc that christianity introduced.

Look at Ancient Rome and their code of laws. They still survive today to an extent in Western Law. Codified Roman Law.

[ajk]

well that's not true at all. The idea that rules and morals come from the bible ignores all the cultures that don't have the bible. Ther IS NO society without laws. There are multitudes of them that do not have scripture.

No I'm not saying there aren't laws or anything like that. What I mean is in terms of God's laws, when you get rid of those it creates problems in many ways.

[Ausinus]

We still have laws against theft, and murder, and rape. Mind you, I dont see how effective having your christian laws in place would be any more effective than our current secular laws, save for giving the church more power and a lot more stonings

[theicidal maniac]

I guess you should read the bible and see what the punishment for breaking the ten commandments is. 8 out of ten of them carry a death sentence. Many of them are victimless crimes..."God's Laws" are just as confused and flawed as ours...hmmmmmmmmm, conicidence?

[ajk]

We still have laws against theft, and murder, and rape. Mind you, I dont see how effective having your christian laws in place would be any more effective than our current secular laws, save for giving the church more power and a lot more stonings

I know that, but I'm talking about things like the sanctity of marriage, the specialness of each and every human life conceived, etc etc. We've forgotten this in the last 30 years or so, and the results can be seen and continue to be seen and felt today.

[Ausinus]

What results? Gays now have the right to unions, if not marriages, and women have more liberty to choose what to do with their bodies.

Need I remind you that under "christian law", in the Byzantine Empire, adultery was punishable by molten lead down the adulterer's throat?

[ajk]

I guess you should read the bible and see what the punishment for breaking the ten commandments is. 8 out of ten of them carry a death sentence. Many of them are victimless crimes..."God's Laws" are just as confused and flawed as ours...hmmmmmmmmm, conicidence?

How are they victimless crimes?

[theicidal maniac]

thou shalt have no other gods....victimless
thou shalt not covet....victimless

[Ausinus]

Making an idol. No victim
Using god's name in vain. No victim
Having no other god's before me. No victim
Sabbath day. No victim
Honor thy mother and father. No victim
Coveting but not taking action. No victim

[theicidal maniac]

Ausinus...mostly i like you...you've got a good brain

[ajk]

What results? Gays now have the right to unions, if not marriages, and women have more liberty to choose what to do with their bodies.

Need I remind you that under "christian law", in the Byzantine Empire, adultery was punishable by molten lead down the adulterer's throat?

Well for one thing divorce rates are rather high, and that effects families specifically any children brought up in that broken family.

2nd women should and do have a right to do what they want to with their bodies, within reason. We have a twisted idea of what freedom really is. Freedom is about being free to do what you want for yourself. Keyword yourself, not another. Another meaning the unborn child in this case.

[ajk]

thou shalt have no other gods....victimless
thou shalt not covet....victimless

1. Yes there is a victim, that being God.
2. Again there is a victim, which would be the other person involved if you were to covet another's wife or something like that.

[Ausinus]

Divorce rates need to be high, or else the person with the children wont be able to support them. If they want to divorce, so be it, its their choice.

Also with abortion, this isnt the place to discuss it, but its their uterus.

[Ausinus]

1. Yes there is a victim, that being God.

Unless god provides evidence of detriment to himself, then its not a crime.


2. Again there is a victim, which would be the other person involved if you were to covet another's wife or something like that.

How does saying, I really like your wife, hurt someone.

[ajk]

Making an idol. No victim
Using god's name in vain. No victim
Having no other god's before me. No victim
Sabbath day. No victim
Honor thy mother and father. No victim
Coveting but not taking action. No victim

1. Again God is the victim
2. Same as 1.
3. God and yourself are victims here.
4. Your parents are victims for how you treat them.

[Ausinus]

1. Again God is the victim
2. Same as 1.
3. God and yourself are victims here.
4. Your parents are victims for how you treat them.

I say again, let god give evidence he is detrimented by these things, and then it shall be a crime.

But how does saying 'shut up' to your parents merit stoning?

[ajk]

Divorce rates need to be high, or else the person with the children wont be able to support them. If they want to divorce, so be it, its their choice.

Also with abortion, this isnt the place to discuss it, but its their uterus.

Divorce do not need to be high at all. Divorce is a terrible terrible thing, remember the vows: "Till death do you part" not "For 6 months".

[ajk]

Unless god provides evidence of detriment to himself, then its not a crime.

Regardless of what you think it's still a crime and you will have to answer for it as we all will have to answer for our mistakes at the end of time.


How does saying, I really like your wife, hurt someone.

Because you're lusting after someone that isn't yours.

[Ausinus]

Divorce do not need to be high at all. Divorce is a terrible terrible thing, remember the vows: "Till death do you part" not "For 6 months".

Then tell that to most of the christian churches, who allow divorce. I will be bonded to who I want, and break that bond when I want, without interference from your church.

I mean seriously, if you married someone and they abused you, would you be spouting "till death do we part"? pfft, moronic fascist shit.

[ajk]

But how does saying 'shut up' to your parents merit stoning?

You should respect them. We all should respect our parents and elders. They brought us into the world and raised us after all. Is it too much to ask that we give them that same respect and love back to them?

[Ausinus]

Regardless of what you think it's still a crime and you will have to answer for it as we all will have to answer for our mistakes at the end of time.

The law is concerned with here and now, not something that "may" happen.


Because you're lusting after someone that isn't yours.

How naive. Everyone lusts after what isnt theirs, its called desire. I mean, I like my friends car, but it doesnt hurt anyone.

[Ausinus]

You should respect them. We all should respect our parents and elders. They brought us into the world and raised us after all. Is it too much to ask that we give them that same respect and love back to them?

Does it merit death?

[ajk]

Then tell that to most of the christian churches, who allow divorce. I will be bonded to who I want, and break that bond when I want, without interference from your church.

I mean seriously, if you married someone and they abused you, would you be spouting "till death do we part"? pfft, moronic fascist shit.

Well now there are ways to get out of a marriage legally, to where it never really happened. That of course being an annulment. Otherwise though if you divorce, you're not supposed to marry again, because techincally you're still married to the first person.

[Ausinus]

Well now there are ways to get out of a marriage legally, to where it never really happened. That of course being an annulment. Otherwise though if you divorce, you're not supposed to marry again, because techincally you're still married to the first person.

Technically. I mean you dont even have to be married in a church to be married. Civil Marriages, and also de facto marriages.

[ajk]

How naive. Everyone lusts after what isnt theirs, its called desire. I mean, I like my friends car, but it doesnt hurt anyone.

Clearly the idealism of the devil. He'll make you think like that, that everyone's doing it, when in fact everyone isn't doing it. Lust is and always will be wrong. There's a saying about this too that says to effect that if you even lust for someone in your thoughts, you've already committed adultery with them in your mind.

[Ausinus]

But again, it doesnt hurt anyone unless you take action, so it isnt a crime.

[Ausinus]

Clearly the idealism of the devil. He'll make you think like that, that everyone's doing it, when in fact everyone isn't doing it. Lust is and always will be wrong. There's a saying about this too that says to effect that if you even lust for someone in your thoughts, you've already committed adultery with them in your mind.

Everyone is doing it, its called the ID.

Study some psychology

[theicidal maniac]

Clearly the idealism of the devil. He'll make you think like that, that everyone's doing it, when in fact everyone isn't doing it. Lust is and always will be wrong. There's a saying about this too that says to effect that if you even lust for someone in your thoughts, you've already committed adultery with them in your mind.

But that means the devil is exerting power in our realm...That means that God has a competitor, which means HE is not omnipotent

[ajk]

Everyone is doing it, its called the ID.

Study some psychology

No everyone is not doing it. Again the devil has tricked you into thinking that so much so that you actually believe it.

[ajk]

But that means the devil is exerting power in our realm...That means that God has a competitor, which means HE is not omnipotent

Ever since original sin God has had that rival as it were (though he did create him originally).

[Ausinus]

STUDY SOME PSYCHOLOGY.:mad:

The ID is one of the three parts of our psyche, which is the basic pleasure seeking pain avoiding part of the psyche.

When you think, i want that house, because it looks nice, thats the id.

[ajk]

STUDY SOME PSYCHOLOGY.:mad:

The ID is one of the three parts of our psyche, which is the basic pleasure seeking pain avoiding part of the psyche.

When you think, i want that house, because it looks nice, thats the id.

I get that but still everyone is not lusting after what they don't have. There are plenty of good christians out there who don't do that I can assure you. They are at peace and one with the Lord.

[General Septem]

We still have laws against theft, and murder, and rape. Mind you, I dont see how effective having your christian laws in place would be any more effective than our current secular laws, save for giving the church more power and a lot more stonings
The Church is against the death penalty, so no stonings. Sorry.

[Ausinus]

Yeah well those are boring people mate.

[ajk]

Yeah well those are boring people mate.

No actually they are quite happy, as happy as can be.

[Ausinus]

The Church is against the death penalty, so no stonings. Sorry.

Hey I bet you in ancient Israel you could have made a fortune selling stones.:D

[twisted_screams]

Divorce do not need to be high at all. Divorce is a terrible terrible thing, remember the vows: "Till death do you part" not "For 6 months".


Then 4 years goes by and your husband stops bathing (as in 3 months with out a bath cause he is to lazy) He comes in the house and goes right back out to be with friends and when you ask him to please spend some time with you, you get a chair thrown at you and a fist in your mouth. Then you try your hardest thinking its you that you did somthing wrong so you make yourself sick with your hair falling out and getting no sleep trying to Fix that marriage but its always just you trying.
Then some idiot comes up to you and says but you said til death do you part and a thought comes into your head which one will die tonight, could i kill him and get away with it (No) then you think about killing yourself but you have young children to think about you know he will never take care of them so you cant do that either So you go to get a divorce and every one looks at you like your dirt because you have tried to hide what goes on behind close doors.

[Ausinus]

In my opinion, you would be doing the right thing.

[ajk]

[QUOTE=twisted_screams So you go to get a divorce and every one looks at you like your dirt because you have tried to hide what goes on behind close doors.[/QUOTE]

Which is why there are annulments for those type of cases. The problem with divorce isn't breaking things off per se but it's the reason for doing it. Far too often it's done at the first sign of problems. People have to understand that all marriages have problems at some point or another. You have to be willing to work through them, within reason of course.

[Ausinus]

They are at liberty to do that. Marriage isnt a life or death contract, or else we would be getting out the needle for every person who wanted a divorce.

[ajk]

They are at liberty to do that. Marriage isnt a life or death contract, or else we would be getting out the needle for every person who wanted a divorce.

Maybe so, but you shouldn't just give up at the first sign of trouble. A marriage takes a lot more then people think. You have to be willing to work hard if you want it to succeed, otherwise you'll never find happiness.

[Ausinus]

People have the right to divorce. Personal freedom. You dont like it, get out of this country.

[theicidal maniac]

Maybe so, but you shouldn't just give up at the first sign of trouble. A marriage takes a lot more then people think. You have to be willing to work hard if you want it to succeed, otherwise you'll never find happiness.

Yeah if your hubby beats you around a little and drinks liquor from prostitutes navel's ...hold on to the dream, hold on tight

[ajk]

Yeah if your hubby beats you around a little and drinks liquor from prostitutes navel's ...hold on to the dream, hold on tight

Again that's a different situation. Sometimes an annulment is the best thing to do, but a lot of the cases today aren't like that at all.

[ajk]

People have the right to divorce. Personal freedom. You dont like it, get out of this country.

I'm not saying that, I just think the reasons for divorce these days are because they aren't willing to work out any problems. It's not because the husband is abusive or whatever, it's because "they don't love each other anymore".

[Ausinus]

Thats a good enough reason. You got married because you love one another, and you get divorced because you hate each other. Why force them?

Anyway your a hypocrite to say we have free will and also say we should deny people divorce.

[theicidal maniac]

ya know you are talking about religions putting boundaries on society, and I can see why you might think that is a good thing. But it isn't. We could be so much further ahead in life than we are now if it wasn't for certain churches BITTERLY resisting scientific advancement, including medicine, which at one time was expressly forbidden at the penalty of death. Also, ages of war for "holy land" and holy idealism, zionism, and a general feeling that "God is on MY side" holds us back in a bad, bad way

[ajk]

Thats a good enough reason. You got married because you love one another, and you get divorced because you hate each other. Why force them?

Not really, again people don't realize a marriage takes work. It's not always going to be fun and games as some people may think. If you're not willing to work through problems (within reason of course), then maybe you shouldn't be getting married yet.


Anyway your a hypocrite to say we have free will and also say we should deny people divorce.

I don't mean people can't split, but there's a better way to do it then divorce. That of course meaning annulment, which makes the marriage legally not valid whereas a divorce does not.

[ajk]

ya know you are talking about religions putting boundaries on society, and I can see why you might think that is a good thing. But it isn't. We could be so much further ahead in life than we are now if it wasn't for certain churches BITTERLY resisting scientific advancement, including medicine

What type of advancements are you talking about?

[Ausinus]

Galileo's, Copoernicus', Wycliffe's, Descartes', to name a few.

[theicidal maniac]

What type of advancements are you talking about?
Well, genetic research and stem cell work. In da vinci's day it was a "sin" according to the church to study the human figure, so he had to STEAL BODIES from morgues and tombs. Before that it was a sin to paint or otherwise artificially represent the human form, and it still is today in Islam. Also medicine was once considered magic.

[theicidal maniac]

I live in Utah, the Mormon leader, Gordon B Hinckley said that it is a SHAMEFUL SIN and is an offense to God to think of the Genesis creation story in ANY WAY OTHER THAN THE LITERAL...so that puts down evolutionary theory...