Religious Idealism leads to Child Molestation.

[theicidal maniac]

Well, I thought the title would rope a few people in...basically my stance is that many of today's foremost religions preach that most sexually-natured acts that involve something other than the EXACT combination of MARRIED MAN AND HIS WIFE are viewed as evil. Most churches also preach that men is inherantly EVIL (a very republican way of looking at the world) and that any desires that fall under the "naughty" category are to be subdued. This leads to a lot of unhealthy sexual attitudes, including the joy of secretly indulging one's self in "taboo" sex acts. The repression of emotions as powerful as the urge to mate can have disastrous results, as it will cause a person to be turned on by things that they have to hide. Please reply.

[ajk]

Actually I might say the opposite is true. Giving to emotions that powerful can prove to be just as disastrous results. Imagine how a woman would feel when she breaks up with a guy she had lost her virginity to. She loses something that which she can never get back. Beyond that it creates tough break ups too. It makes it hard to split, because you shared this bond with one another. Whereas if you hadn't had sex, while the break up is still hard, it isn't as hard as it could have been.

[sanford]

Well, I thought the title would rope a few people in...basically my stance is that many of today's foremost religions preach that most sexually-natured acts that involve something other than the EXACT combination of MARRIED MAN AND HIS WIFE are viewed as evil. Most churches also preach that men is inherantly EVIL (a very republican way of looking at the world) and that any desires that fall under the "naughty" category are to be subdued. This leads to a lot of unhealthy sexual attitudes, including the joy of secretly indulging one's self in "taboo" sex acts. The repression of emotions as powerful as the urge to mate can have disastrous results, as it will cause a person to be turned on by things that they have to hide. Please reply.
Everybody is sinful - but it doesn't mean that it has to be acceptable. In no way are the churches idealism promoting these acts. They are merely labeling the cause of such acts. We don't have to accept into committing these crimes.

[theicidal maniac]

Everybody is sinful - but it doesn't mean that it has to be acceptable. In no way are the churches idealism promoting these acts. They are merely labeling the cause of such acts. We don't have to accept into committing these crimes.

Ok then, counter my point with a counter-point.

ya know your whole idea of sin is just FLAWED beyond repair and OUTDATED beyond resurrection. There is no issue that is black and white, right and wrong anymore.

[ajk]

ya know your whole idea of sin is just FLAWED beyond repair and OUTDATED beyond resurrection. There is no issue that is black and white, right and wrong anymore.

Which is precisely the problem.

[sanford]

There is no issue that is black and white, right and wrong anymore.

Correct, there isn't an issue these days without it being right or wrong. The problem is people don't seem to understand for themselves, to what is right and wrong. People believe they should have power - and this power is a real problem these days. This 'power' is becoming as evil as money is these days.

[theicidal maniac]

Correct, there isn't an issue these days without it being right or wrong. The problem is people don't seem to understand for themselves, to what is right and wrong. People believe they should have power - and this power is a real problem these days. This 'power' is becoming as evil as money is these days.

Is murder wrong...oh what if it was self defense? Is stealing wrong? What if I stole to feed my family...my CHRISTIAN family?

[Ausinus]

I agree with your original statement. The human body is designed to have sex, as I have said many times before.

[ajk]

Yes but that doesn't mean we don't have control over our body. It's all about perception. How you see things is how it's going to be. You seem to have a fixed perception that you can't control yourself and your body, when in fact you can.

[theicidal maniac]

Yes but that doesn't mean we don't have control over our body. It's all about perception. How you see things is how it's going to be. You seem to have a fixed perception that you can't control yourself and your body, when in fact you can.

yes but why try to deny what you are? Every living being on earth is driven to mate

[ajk]

So does it mean we have to?

[twisted_screams]

I believe that we mate for more then just to procreate. Its about being close and part of someone. It bothers me that people call it evil or think that a woman should remain a virgin til marriage ( what about a man) It bothers me that we aren't supposed to enjoy our bodies. Heres a question for the religious ones out there. If we are supposed to wait til we find one and only one why are we given such a strong sex drive during our teenage years? Surely you people don't believe that 13 year olds are mature enough to have sex at that age or be married. If this is the case why did god pick such a young age to kick our sex drive off?:rolleyes:

[Ausinus]

Even though Im not religious, I feel compelled to answer.:D

We are given a strong sex drive at such a young age because nutrition is plentiful and the body thinks it is ok to start procreating. This in turn is because of evolution, we have to be able to reproduce ASAP so our species can profiliate. Its also why if women dont eat for a long time they dont get their periods.

[General Septem]

That's only the case if you go all Big Brother and try and teach kids "if you have sex you'll get in big trouble". If you teach them why it's wrong then the reverse is true.

[theicidal maniac]

That's only the case if you go all Big Brother and try and teach kids "if you have sex you'll get in big trouble". If you teach them why it's wrong then the reverse is true.

I'll yeach YOU why THAT is wrong...because there is nothing "WRONG" with having sex...there are consequences for MISUSE, but there is nothing WRONG with being sexual.

[who897]

Sex is like taking a shit....it's natural and everybody has to do it.

[General Septem]

I'll yeach YOU why THAT is wrong...because there is nothing "WRONG" with having sex...there are consequences for MISUSE, but there is nothing WRONG with being sexual.
That's what I said; if you teach them why it's wrong to misuse it then they won't. If you simply teach them that it's bad and that they'll get in trouble, it will lead to problems.

[theicidal maniac]

That's what I said; if you teach them why it's wrong to misuse it then they won't. If you simply teach them that it's bad and that they'll get in trouble, it will lead to problems.

and that's precisely how most religions handle sex; assigning morality where there is none. sure, there are ethical implications but not necessarilly moral ones. Another example of religion leading us astray and confusing our morals.

[Ausinus]

Do you know why your religion preaches against extra marital sex? Once again, it goes back to laws made for a nomadic society. If they had too many children then they wouldnt be able to move around or have enough food. If a woman had too many children they would often kill one of the child to control the population.

Compare to a settled civilization. They didnt mind extra marital sex, because they could simply expand the city and provide more food.

See, obsolete values.

[General Septem]

Do you know why your religion preaches against extra marital sex? Once again, it goes back to laws made for a nomadic society. If they had too many children then they wouldnt be able to move around or have enough food. If a woman had too many children they would often kill one of the child to control the population.

Compare to a settled civilization. They didnt mind extra marital sex, because they could simply expand the city and provide more food.

See, obsolete values.
First off, the Jews for the most part were not nomadic. If you'll note, all the references to the "holy land of God" and all that. With the exception of Exodus, when Moses led the Jews back home through the desert, they really didn't have much reason to leave the land, and had no desire to since it was the land given to them by God.

Second, it has nothing to do with population control, because married couples can have sex all they want.

You really shouldn't go around telling people why their religion teaches what it teaches when you don't know the reason yourself.

The reason is because sexual relations is the most intimate physical connection a couple can share; it's an act of self giving. We don't posess the capability of giving this out freely; it loses its meaning. Tell me, when you have sex, does it mean anything other than the raw physical pleasure you get from it?

[General Septem]

and that's precisely how most religions handle sex; assigning morality where there is none. sure, there are ethical implications but not necessarilly moral ones. Another example of religion leading us astray and confusing our morals.

Morality has to come from somewhere. Who are you to say killing you would be wrong?

[Ausinus]

Morality comes from society, and killing another person in cold blood has always pretty much been illegal, even in prechristian societies. Its nothing new.

[General Septem]

Morality comes from society, and killing another person in cold blood has always pretty much been illegal, even in prechristian societies. Its nothing new.
Whether or not it's new doesn't have any effect on whether or not it's wrong.

[Ausinus]

In your veiw, and mine, and to many others besides. My point is morality is entirely subjective.

[ajk]

Not really. What's right and what isn't is made pretty clear per God's laws.

[Ausinus]

Listen closely. There is no universal morality! Morality, right and wrong, is utterly subjective and influenced by the environment and society. We are born without any knowledge. Remember Tabula Rasa?

[ajk]

Listen closely. There is no universal morality! Morality, right and wrong, is utterly subjective and influenced by the environment and society. We are born without any knowledge. Remember Tabula Rasa?

Say all you want, I still know what right and wrong is.

[Ausinus]

Thats what you think right and wrong is. Others dont agree with you. You are not the supreme authority of morality, it. is. subjective.:mad:

[ajk]

Thats what you think right and wrong is. Others dont agree with you. You are not the supreme authority of morality, it. is. subjective.:mad:

No I'm not, but God is.

[Ausinus]

Whats to say Allah or Vishnu isnt the supreme authority on morality? Hmm? Give me a good reason.

[ajk]

Whats to say Allah or Vishnu isnt the supreme authority on morality? Hmm? Give me a good reason.

Because if they were do you think Christianity would be the largest religion? I somehow don't think so.

[Ausinus]

Christianity got where it is through forcing its faith on the natives of south africa and the americas. Its a prosyletising religion, thats how its so large.

In fact, if Charles Martel hadnt won the Battle of Tours, then Islam would probably be the dominant faith.

[theicidal maniac]

Because if they were do you think Christianity would be the largest religion? I somehow don't think so.

it's not the largest.

[Ausinus]

Christians are only 33% of the world! So god created the remaining 77% to go to hell! How loving of him:p

[theicidal maniac]

Christians are only 33% of the world! So god created the remaining 77% to go to hell! How loving of him:p

Not to mention the rest of the WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE!

[Ausinus]

God is so, so loving isnt he?:D

[General Septem]

Who says non-Christians can never enter the Kingdom of Heaven? All mortal sins require grave matter, full knowledge, and full consent.

[theicidal maniac]

Who says non-Christians can never enter the Kingdom of Heaven? All mortal sins require grave matter, full knowledge, and full consent.

Christians do.

[Ausinus]

Christians even say other christians do. According to catholics, Portestants go to hell. They even excommunicated them.

[theicidal maniac]

and what's the deal with saying Christians are the largest faith group...there are so many sects within christianity, all of whom think the others are wrong and that they themselves are correct...so how do you even call CHRISTIANITY a religion? It's just an extension of judaism? so are those the same religions? I guess JUDAISM is larger by that definition because it INCLUDES christians. And Islam is just an extension of those two. Jesus was the highest prophet in Islam, so are they Christian? They believe he was born to a virgin. They believe he died on the cross.

[who897]

Someone should definatly "google" their "facts" a bit more often instead of letting diarrhea flow from their mouth.

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

Religious Idealism leads to Child Molestation

That's pretty funny :D

[Monster_Hangover]

I don't see anything funny about it. why would you say such a thing?

[TheSpectacularSecularist]

I don't see anything funny about it. why would you say such a thing?

It sounds funny.

"It's the ultimate evil, BECAUSE IT LEADS TO CHILD MOLESTATION!

Yeah I have strange humor, but I don't need your approval.