Politically correct homosexual agenda is trumping science

[freakazoid]

Politically correct homosexual agenda is trumping science...

WEST CONSHOHOCKEN, Pennsylvania, September 19, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On Thursday, Zenit News published a lengthy interview with Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons regarding the serious medical consequences of homosexual behaviour that are being ignored, if not suppressed, during current public discussions on homosexuality. Dr. Fitzgibbons is a principal contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope" and has spoken widely on the issue.

Fitzgibbons indicates that recent historical changes in institutional views of homosexuality have not been helpful for those who have been acting on the disposition. He tells Zenit that "Homosexuality was diagnosed and treated as a psychiatric illness -- abnormal behaviour -- until 1973, when it was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in psychiatry because of political pressure."

He continues that "The sexual practices of homosexuals involve serious health risks and illness. Specifically, sodomy as a sexual behaviour is associated with significant and life-threatening health problems". Later in the interview he provides far more detail about his claims and the results of research by himself and others on the issue.

Regarding mental health consequences, Fitzgibbons states there is a "strong link between homosexual sex and suicide, as well as a relationship between homosexuality and emotional and mental problems."

"The youth suffering from these disorders" Fitzgibbons tells Zenit, "were four times as likely as their peers to suffer from major depression, almost three times as likely to suffer from generalized anxiety disorder, nearly four times as likely to experience conduct disorder, five times as likely to have nicotine dependence, six times as likely to suffer from multiple disorders, and over six times as likely to have attempted suicide."

Gay activists often claim that lack of social acceptance is the primary cause of mental problems experienced by persons who engage in homosexual activity but Fitzgibbons provides evidence to the contrary. He reports that an extensive study in the Netherlands, where homosexuality has long been accepted and protected under law, indicates that "psychiatric disease cannot be attributed to social rejection and homophobia". The high rate of psychiatric disorders associated with homosexual behaviour in the Netherlands contradicts the gay activist assumption about the cause of these disorders among homosexuals.

Fitzgibbons expresses concern that persons involved in homosexuality have been left at high risk by most medical groups that have "embraced the homosexual agenda and are advocating that lifestyle, despite all of the scientific studies and medical evidence that demonstrate medical and psychological risks."

"It seems", he tells Zenit, "the politically correct homosexual agenda is trumping science."

Medical Downside of Homosexual Behavior

See the entire Zenit interview at:
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=41158

[Carrot]

rambling

Well that's just like, your opinion man. :)

[yee-haw]

Politically correct homosexual agenda is trumping science...

WEST CONSHOHOCKEN, Pennsylvania, September 19, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On Thursday, Zenit News published a lengthy interview with Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons regarding the serious medical consequences of homosexual behaviour that are being ignored, if not suppressed, during current public discussions on homosexuality. Dr. Fitzgibbons is a principal contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope" and has spoken widely on the issue.

Fitzgibbons indicates that recent historical changes in institutional views of homosexuality have not been helpful for those who have been acting on the disposition. He tells Zenit that "Homosexuality was diagnosed and treated as a psychiatric illness -- abnormal behaviour -- until 1973, when it was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual in psychiatry because of political pressure."

He continues that "The sexual practices of homosexuals involve serious health risks and illness. Specifically, sodomy as a sexual behaviour is associated with significant and life-threatening health problems". Later in the interview he provides far more detail about his claims and the results of research by himself and others on the issue.

Regarding mental health consequences, Fitzgibbons states there is a "strong link between homosexual sex and suicide, as well as a relationship between homosexuality and emotional and mental problems."

"The youth suffering from these disorders" Fitzgibbons tells Zenit, "were four times as likely as their peers to suffer from major depression, almost three times as likely to suffer from generalized anxiety disorder, nearly four times as likely to experience conduct disorder, five times as likely to have nicotine dependence, six times as likely to suffer from multiple disorders, and over six times as likely to have attempted suicide."

Gay activists often claim that lack of social acceptance is the primary cause of mental problems experienced by persons who engage in homosexual activity but Fitzgibbons provides evidence to the contrary. He reports that an extensive study in the Netherlands, where homosexuality has long been accepted and protected under law, indicates that "psychiatric disease cannot be attributed to social rejection and homophobia". The high rate of psychiatric disorders associated with homosexual behaviour in the Netherlands contradicts the gay activist assumption about the cause of these disorders among homosexuals.

Fitzgibbons expresses concern that persons involved in homosexuality have been left at high risk by most medical groups that have "embraced the homosexual agenda and are advocating that lifestyle, despite all of the scientific studies and medical evidence that demonstrate medical and psychological risks."

"It seems", he tells Zenit, "the politically correct homosexual agenda is trumping science."

Medical Downside of Homosexual Behavior

See the entire Zenit interview at:
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=41158

Edited: by haw

Keep the name calling and insults to the flame thread, Thank you!:)

[freakazoid]

Well that's just like, your opinion man. :)

Wasn't my opinion, was the informed opinion on the subject by respected professionals in the medical field, Opinions the beelze________ as an addicted homosexual will try to deny or cover up.

There is no doubt about it, homosexuality is an addiction and a mental disorder.

Consider...

Kathleen Melonakos, MA, RN, Founder of the Delaware Family Foundation, wrote in a 2000 article, "Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered a Disorder on the Basis of Its Medical Consequences?" for the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) website:

"My primary question is: why isn't homosexuality considered a disorder on the basis of its medical consequences alone?...

It appears even more obvious that the Task Force on Nomenclature cavalierly ignored (and the APA's continue to ignore!) the substantial and unambiguous evidence that homosexuality involves a life-threatening behavior with an addictive component which has serious health implications...

Very simply, it seems, an objective person just looking at homosexuality's lifestyle consequences would have to classify it as some kind of pathology."

[Carrot]

Some more

You know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?

[freakazoid]

You know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?

What in God's holy name are you blathering about?

[hitekredneck]

what he's saying is that there's many other scientific studies on homosexuality that will show it caused by different things...one i know of showed it caused by a different chemical makeup in the brain...i don't really give a shit one way or the other...what goes on in somebody elses bed isn't any of my business, provided it's between consenting adults...

[freakazoid]

what he's saying is that there's many other scientific studies on homosexuality that will show it caused by different things...one i know of showed it caused by a different chemical makeup in the brain...i don't really give a shit one way or the other...what goes on in somebody elses bed isn't any of my business, provided it's between consenting adults...

I agree with your comment of "what goes on in somebody elses bed isn't any of my business, provided it's between consenting adults..."

What I am concerned about is the homosexual agenda which is homos hiding behind and masquerading behind "gay rights" as a way to propagate their sick life style and force society to embrace it. They play all kinds of games such as labeling a person who opposes them as a "bigot."

See...

http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html

http://afajournal.org/2004/october/1004schoolsout.asp

[beelzebub]

Well that's just like, your opinion man. :)

Yeah... that's right. And please feel free to look up the BIASED RELIGIOUS websites used to post this crap.

Its really a load of bullshit.

Bigotry has become so bad that they want to return it to a clinical issue again.


Bigots Loose Again! HA HA HA HA

[freakazoid]

Yeah... that's right. And please feel free to look up the BIASED RELIGIOUS websites used to post this crap.

Its really a load of bullshit.

Bigotry has become so bad that they want to return it to a clinical issue again.


Bigots Loose Again! HA HA HA HA


Ahhh, nope, so sorry, I am afraid that you can't get away with your continual lies, beelze_____, the numbers simply speak louder than your lies, your use of big type faces and your homosexual perversion. The votes are in and you have clearly lost. Better luck next time, gay boy...

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5816/votesk.jpg (http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=6243)

See -
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=6243

In the mean time; drop dead, promoBITCH.

[Agent Provocateur]

Maybe you 2 should get a room :rolleyes:

[freakazoid]

Maybe you 2 should get a room :rolleyes:

Nah, low class fag whores don't do anything for me. Besides, beelze_____ has a boyfriend with a slong beelze_______ likes to brag about. :D

Butter side up here, dude. Not into the whole AIDS thing.

[Agent Provocateur]

Nah, low class fag whores don't do anything for me. Besides, beelze_____ has a boyfriend with a slong beelze_______ likes to brag about. :D

Butter side up here, dude. Not into the whole AIDS thing.

Take it to the flame thread Anthony....And YES...Beeze did start it this time :rolleyes:

[freakazoid]

Take it to the flame thread Anthony....And YES...Beeze did start it this time :rolleyes:Don't need the flame thread, I don't start battles with the little gay boy. What I post is in response to his childish crap.

If I wanted to start something with beelze____, I would use the flame thread or a PM.

[beelzebub]

Bigots Loose Again! HA HA HA HA


Ahhh, nope, so sorry, I am afraid that you can't get away with your continual lies, beelze_____, the numbers simply speak louder than your lies, your use of big type faces and your homosexual perversion. The votes are in and you have clearly lost. Better luck next time, gay boy...[/URL]

Ha ha ha ha ! I am glad to see that you have finally admitted it Freak! That's the first step toward accepting others.

BTW - I didn't get you banned, you got yourself banned. Continue you childish diatribes and it will most likely happen again :rolleyes:

[freakazoid]

Ha ha ha ha ! I am glad to see that you have finally admitted it Freak! That's the first step toward accepting others.

BTW - I didn't get you banned, you got yourself banned. Continue you childish diatribes and it will most likely happen again
Try again, beelzeLIMPWRIST, you lose. Your fellow BS members have spoken and you have been voted down. http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

Nice try, better luck next time, gay boy. As a consolation prize we'll send you a new Gucci handbag. Enjoy, LimpWrist! :D

PS, How is life living with AIDS? :D

[Ope]

Freak, if you want to get into political philosophy, that's one thing, but your overt gay-bashing is not making you look smart here. Regardless of whether you think homosexuality is a physiological disorder or a psychological one, you have to accept that people are going to make decisions that you don't agree with. Get over it, we live in a free country. And that means free for dudes to bang each other in the ass.

Look at it like me and my straight compatriots. For every guy that is gay, that is at least one more girl for me.

[beelzebub]

Freak, if you want to get into political philosophy, that's one thing, but your overt gay-bashing is not making you look smart here. Regardless of whether you think homosexuality is a physiological disorder or a psychological one, you have to accept that people are going to make decisions that you don't agree with. Get over it, we live in a free country. And that means free for dudes to bang each other in the ass.
Look at it like me and my straight compatriots. For every guy that is gay, that is at least one more girl for me.

You are so correct Ope! However, Freak insists that homosexuality is a disorder even though the TOP medical and social professions DO NOT agree.

He has posted bigoted websites and posts in the past. He has personal issues with homosexuality.

Thanks for the post. And welcome :D

[Ope]

You are so correct Ope! However, Freak insists that homosexuality is a disorder even though the TOP medical and social professions DO NOT agree.

He has posted bigoted websites and posts in the past. He has personal issues with homosexuality.

Thanks for the post. And welcome :D

TBH, I have to agree with Freek that it is a disorder. In my mind, we are here to do one thing, and that's procreate. Homosexuality is physiologically wrong. Penis + ass, or vagina + vagina =/= natural. Of course, this doesn't mean that there should be laws forbidding it.

[beelzebub]

TBH, I have to agree with Freek that it is a disorder. In my mind, we are here to do one thing, and that's procreate. Homosexuality is physiologically wrong. Penis + ass, or vagina + vagina =/= natural. Of course, this doesn't mean that there should be laws forbidding it.

A rather simplistic view..........

Sad to hear that from you. But hey... you make great fodder for his conservative agenda.

Enjoy Freak.

[Ope]

A rather simplistic view..........

Sad to hear that from you. But hey... you make great fodder for his conservative agenda.

Enjoy Freak.

So what is your advanced theory of life? Our overall purpose on this planet?

[beelzebub]

So what is your advanced theory of life? Our overall purpose on this planet?

To enjoy life and all its wonders. To make the best of every day and be the best you can be. To help others.

That's all.

[Carrot]

http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=6247
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=6253
http://forum.bullshit.com/showthread.php?t=6254

A disorder is defined as causing distress or harm to yourself/others.

However, things like dyslexia and gambling habits are also listed as disorders.

Covered in the above treads.

[Ope]

To enjoy life and all its wonders. To make the best of every day and be the best you can be. To help others.

That's all.

Unfortunately, Buddha is not responsible for our millions of years of evolution/advancement to the top of the food chain. Peace and love sounds good in theory, but when met with hostility, it loses out every time.

[beelzebub]

Unfortunately, Buddha is not responsible for our millions of years of evolution/advancement to the top of the food chain.

Hell! Was I quoting the Buddha? :D Perhaps I got it right? :D

I don't get what you mean about "top of the food chain" ... but... I am a total believer in evolution. (I have many posts to that effect on this site)


Peace and love sounds good in theory, but when met with hostility, it loses out every time.

Hey, I would kill for my kids or other members of my family. Don't mistake my direction and desires for my fortitude when faced with adversity.

[freakazoid]

Freak, if you want to get into political philosophy, that's one thing, but your overt gay-bashing is not making you look smart here. Regardless of whether you think homosexuality is a physiological disorder or a psychological one, you have to accept that people are going to make decisions that you don't agree with. Get over it, we live in a free country. And that means free for dudes to bang each other in the ass.

Look at it like me and my straight compatriots. For every guy that is gay, that is at least one more girl for me.

Why should I stop when I am having so much fun. As beelze_____ has recently learned...payback's a real bitch :Dhttp://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Ope]

Hell! Was I quoting the Buddha? :D Perhaps I got it right? :D

I don't get what you mean about "top of the food chain" ... but... I am a total believer in evolution. (I have many posts to that effect on this site)



Hey, I would kill for my kids or other members of my family. Don't mistake my direction and desires for my fortitude when faced with adversity.

The phenomenon of life intrigues me greatly. All forms of life, big and small, have a desire to not only live, but reproduce. I think that if that desire is absent from such a complex being as a human, something is wrong.

Please don't misinterpret. I don't see anything morally wrong with homosexuality, but from a purely evolutionary standpoint, it has to be viewed as wrong. If it were the norm, we would not be here today.

[Carrot]

The phenomenon of life intrigues me greatly. All forms of life, big and small, have a desire to not only live, but reproduce. I think that if that desire is absent from such a complex being as a human, something is wrong.

Please don't misinterpret. I don't see anything morally wrong with homosexuality, but from a purely evolutionary standpoint, it has to be viewed as wrong. If it were the norm, we would not be here today.

What about women who don't want kids or are preoccuped with carriers, or men who have sex alot but the thought of a kid horrifies them....are those disorders?

The sex drive is by far the most important aspect that has caused the human population to grow and continue. Not so much the "reproduction" drive.

That said, I pretty much agree with you. I think, for whatever reason, the sex drive is misdirected, by a combination of a certain gene set and experiences. IMO more so experiences.

But evolution has no "point". That and homosexuality exists DESPITE evolution.

[Ope]

Well, I'm gonna start drinking/smoking, so the debate will have to go on hold for the night. Then again, I might show up later completely thrashed and post some retarded drivel.

[beelzebub]

The phenomenon of life intrigues me greatly. All forms of life, big and small, have a desire to not only live, but reproduce. I think that if that desire is absent from such a complex being as a human, something is wrong.

Desire to reproduce? Ask yourself or think of others ... when you lay down with someone is it to make a baby or to enjoy life's pleasures? Why do we do it? Is the purpose of sex for the purpose of procreation, alone? Is it for the needs of procreation of human life. It is multifaceted and needs no definition.


Please don't misinterpret. I don't see anything morally wrong with homosexuality, but from a purely evolutionary standpoint, it has to be viewed as wrong. If it were the norm, we would not be here today.

Its not the norm and thank nature! Otherwise we would not exist! I was born of str8 parents but what other than that does that mean?

If it was so deleterious why would we not see this in all other animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals) (including us)? Why would it have not vanished a long time ago?

[beelzebub]

Well, I'm gonna start drinking/smoking, so the debate will have to go on hold for the night. Then again, I might show up later completely thrashed and post some retarded drivel.

Go freggin figure... a >=18 YO wants to start a debate on BS :rolleyes:

Waste of time.............................................. .........Talk about Freakish....!!!!

[freakazoid]

Desire to reproduce? Ask yourself or think of others ... when you lay down with someone is it to make a baby or to enjoy life's pleasures? Why do we do it? Is the purpose of sex for the purpose of procreation, alone. or is it for the needs of human life. It is multifaceted and needs no definition.



Its not the norm and thank nature! Otherwise we would not exist! I was born of str8 parents but what other than that does that mean?

If it was so deleterious why would we not see this in all other animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals) (including us)? Why would it have not vanished a long time ago?

Sad, you have totally convinced yourself that your mental disorder is normal. Very sad indeed.

Get help from others who understand your problem HERE. (http://www.soencouragement.org/homosexuallifestyle.htm)

[Carrot]

Besides, when it comes to PC stuff and gays, it's these types I have a problem with.

http://www.thoughts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27570

[beelzebub]

Sad, you have totally convinced yourself that your mental disorder is normal. Very sad indeed.

Yep,... I am normal. You, on the other hand need help.

I have read your posts for 4 years. You have posted nothing but hate for anyone that disagrees with you. You are vengeful, disrespectful and offensive to "the groups" you hate.

The way you behave on this forum makes me very concerned for the many others that may read what you write. I don't care for you anymore.

I feel, most that access the internet and blog, will have enough intelligence to see you for the bigoted, self centered, ignorant person that you are. What you write and post has NO SHRED of scientific fact! All one needs is to look to the biased websites you draw information from.

You post so much hate for homosexuals so often that I fear that some young person may give up. You could be responsible for a gay youth taking their own life.

[Ope]

Go freggin figure... a >=18 YO wants to start a debate on BS :rolleyes:

Waste of time.............................................. .........Talk about Freakish....!!!!

wait...what?

I never said the debate was over. If anything is a waste of time, it's you not admitting that it's AT LEAST unnatural. We have evolved to make sex feel good; to encourage procreation. Our brains figured out a way to make sex a recreational thing by making it safer. That doesn't make recreational sex natural.

[Carrot]

That doesn't make recreational sex natural.

Wait, what?

Us, and species of monkeys/ape do it for recreational reasons. How is recreational sex unattural?

That's like saying sexual reproduction is unnatural because it started off as asexual.

[beelzebub]

[QUOTE=Ope;109092t's AT LEAST unnatural.[/QUOTE]

Natural? You mean anything that humans don't do?

List of animal displaying Homosexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)

Natural is relative.

[Ope]

What is the nature of sex? Why does it exist?

And just because other species do something, doesn't make it natural. Cannibalism is found throughout nature. I don't consider cannibalism to be natural.

[Carrot]

What is the nature of sex? Why does it exist?

And just because other species do something, doesn't make it natural. Cannibalism is found throughout nature. I don't consider cannibalism to be natural.

This is seriously Deja Vu.

Seiously, read through the three threads I posted. You're making pretty much he points I did, and beelze is making the same replys, which is why I can't really be bothered.

Just so you can expand on them, rather than the same thing going round one day afte it was posted.

[beelzebub]

What is the nature of sex? Why does it exist?

Simple... Propregation of the genes of course! You can read more in Richard Dawkin's: The Selfish Gene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene)

Basically, it says that DNA preservation is the reason for any speciation.


And just because other species do something, doesn't make it natural. Cannibalism is found throughout nature. I don't consider cannibalism to be natural.

But cannibalism is TOTALLY natural. Birds, mammals and other organisms practice it. You need to redefine what is natural and what is not.

Homosexuality DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME Effect as cannibalism! Loving another person is not the same as eating another person.

[freakazoid]

Yep,... I am normal. You, on the other hand need help.

I have read your posts for 4 years. You have posted nothing but hate for anyone that disagrees with you. You are vengeful, disrespectful and offensive to "the groups" you hate.

The way you behave on this forum makes me very concerned for the many others that may read what you write. I don't care for you anymore.

I feel, most that access the internet and blog, will have enough intelligence to see you for the bigoted, self centered, ignorant person that you are. What you write and post has NO SHRED of scientific fact! All one needs is to look to the biased websites you draw information from.

You post so much hate for homosexuals so often that I fear that some young person may give up. You could be responsible for a gay youth taking their own life.

RE: Yep,... I am normal....

I agree, you are in a sense "normal"

[Ope]

I'll give you a personal definition if it will suffice.

If an act/lifestyle cannot be used by an entire species without the species going extinct, it is not natural. I don't see how you can't understand that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, while heterosexuality is the natural way for all species. It's not to say that being gay is completely choice, I think the jury is still out on that. But even if a person is genetically predisposed to homosexuality, they still are not natural physiologically. Every one of our body parts has a distinct function. There's not much gray area.

[Agent Provocateur]

Yep,... I am normal. You, on the other hand need help.

I have read your posts for 4 years. You have posted nothing but hate for anyone that disagrees with you. You are vengeful, disrespectful and offensive to "the groups" you hate.

The way you behave on this forum makes me very concerned for the many others that may read what you write. I don't care for you anymore.

I feel, most that access the internet and blog, will have enough intelligence to see you for the bigoted, self centered, ignorant person that you are. What you write and post has NO SHRED of scientific fact! All one needs is to look to the biased websites you draw information from.

You post so much hate for homosexuals so often that I fear that some young person may give up. You could be responsible for a gay youth taking their own life.

Great post...Especially the last bit http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq328/AgentProvocateur_2008/eusa_clap.gif

Though I challenge anyone to define,"normal" :rolleyes:

[beelzebub]

I'll give you a personal definition if it will suffice.
If an act/lifestyle cannot be used by an entire species without the species going extinct, it is not natural.

So ... all individuals of a species MUST behave the same way or they will go extinct?

Practiced by the entire species? Hell no! You are neglecting the whole diversification of species.

You think that homosexuals have a pinnacle or affective force in a species survival? TBD! You think that a species according to Hardy-Weinberg calculations would somehow go extinct? You got the percent of the population WRONG. Look at sickel-cell anemia or albinisim before you respond with that bullshit! Are they the majority of the pop? Behavior or genetics, does it really make a difference? Obviously not or albinos would not exist. BTW the reason I showcase disorders (which is not a gay thing) is because they are the best represented in science.

Can you provide proof that homosexuality has caused any species extinction?


I don't see how you can't understand that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, while heterosexuality is the natural way for all species.

If it was un-natural why does it exist?

[Agent Provocateur]

If it was un-natural why does it exist?

Same reason that Eve ate from the wrong tree....Human nature ;)

Edit to add...
Do try to remember that G-d created Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve ;)

[freakazoid]

RE: Yep,... I am normal....

I agree, you are in a sense "normal"

Hey, how come this post was edited? http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon5.gif Was pretty civil and tame I think.

[beelzebub]

Same reason that Eve ate from the wrong tree....Human nature ;)
Edit to add...
Do try to remember that G-d created Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve ;)

Its not only HUMAN NATURE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)

[Agent Provocateur]

Hey, how come this post was edited? http://forum.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon5.gif Was pretty civil and tame I think.

Well micky-mouse...Me thinks your trolling days are over...

[freakazoid]

Well micky-mouse...Me thinks your trolling days are over...

Me thinks you are the troll here, dude...

http://www.military-quotes.com/media/data/605/258Troll_spray.jpg

http://www.chronomaddox.com/troll/trollbgone.jpg

[beelzebub]

Same reason that Eve ate from the wrong tree....Human nature ;)

Edit to add...
Do try to remember that G-d created Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve ;)

You think that everyone subscribes to that BULLSHIT idea of who things came into being,,,

Its just not freggin true ;)

You want to:
Marry your brothers wife when your brother dies?

Stone your daughter if she has sex out of wedlock?

Here is some other conflicts:

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

A SIMPLE BOOK OF STORIES.. FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS AND NONSENSE! Believe it at you own risk of spiral into retardation.

[Agent Provocateur]

You think that everyone subscribes to that BULLSHIT idea of who things came into being,,,

Its just not freggin true ;)

You want to:
Marry your brothers wife when your brother dies?

Stone your daughter if she has sex out of wedlock?

Here is some other conflicts:

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16)
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 6:1)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

A SIMPLE BOOK OF STORIES.. FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS AND NONSENSE! Believe it at you own risk of spiral into retardation.

You are quoting from new and old here...Naturally I only follow the old....
And I am not interested in discussing with anyone who has only read a tainted translation and who takes one verse out of context and makes a story out of it....
No offense intended but when you can read and understand the old in it's original form I'll be happy to discuss with you ;)

[beelzebub]

You are quoting from new and old here...Naturally I only follow the old....
And I am not interested in discussing with anyone who has only read a tainted translation and who takes one verse out of context and makes a story out of it....
No offense intended but when you can read and understand the old in it's original form I'll be happy to discuss with you ;)

Well,... that was a look up.

I know the bible and read it twice: I was raised a Baptist and read it then... though that was NKJV and a hard read. Later on when I read the NIV I realized the reason I had such difficulty was not only the language but also the story.... choppy and poorly written. Full of inconsistencies! I will be happy to talk about that with you.

Tell me why you believe the bible, especially the old testament? No offense, but its rules are archaic and its full of inconsistencies.

[Carrot]

You are quoting from new and old here...Naturally I only follow the old....


How do you think people came about?

[Agent Provocateur]

Well,... that was a look up.

I know the bible and read it twice: I was raised a Baptist and read it then... though that was NKJV and a hard read. Later on when I read the NIV I realized the reason I had such difficulty was not only the language but also the story.... choppy and poorly written. Full of inconsistencies! I will be happy to talk about that with you.

Tell me why you believe the bible, especially the old testament? No offense, but its rules are archaic and its full of inconsistencies.

To you maybe it is archaic but to me it is as relevant today as it was the day it was brought down the mountain....
Sure times have changed but the fundamentals have not...The last six of the ten commandments is how any decent person should live their lives regardless if they believe in a higher being or not as they are basic principles to being a good person.... ...

You say you read NKJV??....Once you have actually read the bible come talk to me ;)

[Agent Provocateur]

How do you think people came about?

Through the first 6 days of creation of the world 5770 years ago....

[freakazoid]

Well,... that was a look up.

I know the bible and read it twice: I was raised a Baptist and read it then... though that was NKJV and a hard read. Later on when I read the NIV I realized the reason I had such difficulty was not only the language but also the story.... choppy and poorly written. Full of inconsistencies! I will be happy to talk about that with you.

Tell me why you believe the bible, especially the old testament? No offense, but its rules are archaic and its full of inconsistencies.

RE: "choppy and poorly written. Full of inconsistencies! "

Only to the uneducated and the ignorant.

[Carrot]

Through the first 6 days of creation of the world 5770 years ago....

Could you be clearer? I'm not talking about the creation of the world. I just want to know your stance on evolution first.

[freakazoid]

Could you be clearer? I'm not talking about the creation of the world. I just want to know your stance on evolution first.

RE: "I just want to know your stance on evolution first."

Unproven, filled with fraud, plenty of evidence to disprove it, does not make sense. A few minor claims of evolutionists have some validity, but fail to answer where life came from, lots of cover ups when evolutionists are busted for being idiots.

Are we to believe...

- Life arises from a pile of dead rocks by itself?

- In the beginning there was nothing.......and then it exploded!?

See -

http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/shame.htm

http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionfraud.html

[Carrot]

I want to know what Ap thinks.

But you can answer this if you like.

Do humans share a common ancestor with apes? If not, how did the first people come about?

[freakazoid]

I want to know what Ap thinks.

But you can answer this if you like.

Do humans share a common ancestor with apes? If not, how did the first people come about?

I think beelze______ and promoBANNED share a common ancestor with apes, I don't.

How did the first people come about? I'm a creationist.

[Carrot]

How did the first people come about? I'm a creationist.

Many creationists now think God guided/shaped evolution. In fact, when the theory was first proposed the many churches only had a problem with uncaring nature, not thatwe evolved.

But if you think "poof" adam and eve appear in a puff of smoke, then there's no point continuing.

[freakazoid]

Many creationists now think God guided/shaped evolution. In fact, when the theory was first proposed the many churches only had a problem with uncaring nature, not thatwe evolved.

But if you think "poof" adam and eve appear in a puff of smoke, then there's no point continuing.

RE: "Many creationists now think God guided/shaped evolution. "

That is a theory running around many churches and various religious people, I am not a person who believes that concept.

RE: "But if you think "poof" adam and eve appear in a puff of smoke, then there's no point continuing"

Who said anything about a "a puff of smoke?" I am a believer in pro-active creation.

[Limbo]

But if you think "poof" adam and eve appear in a puff of smoke, then there's no point continuing.

Well, don't you atheists think that in the beginning there was a mud puddle and a lightning bolt, and then with a flash and a puff of smoke, *poof*, DNA magically arranged itself into the code of life, complete with all the mechanisms to read the code, duplicate the code, etc., etc.

Now that cracks me up.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif

[Carrot]

Well, don't you atheists think that in the beginning there was a mud puddle and a lightning bolt, and then *poof*, DNA magically arranged itself into the code of life, complete with all the mechanisms to read the code, duplicate the code, etc., etc.

Now that cracks me up.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif

Hi again limbo, long time no see.

Like I said, if you really think adam and eve appeared suddenly, and fully formed there is no point continuing. You don't have to take it personally.

[freakazoid]

Hi again limbo, long time no see.

Like I said, if you really think adam and eve appeared suddenly, and fully formed there is no point continuing. You don't have to take it personally.

Suddenly, yes, but NOT without first cause or without a power bringing the first human into being.

In the beginning God (not "suddenly")...

[Carrot]

Well, don't you atheists think that in the beginning there was a mud puddle and a lightning bolt, and then with a flash and a puff of smoke, *poof*, DNA magically arranged itself into the code of life, complete with all the mechanisms to read the code, duplicate the code, etc., etc.

Now that cracks me up.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gif

Also, that point is relatively irrelevant. I respect the opinion that God created/guided life, perhaps making the original cell of his own accord if you want to put it that way, then guiding life to result in humans.

I thought that's what you thought? Not that 2 people were created by God's hand himself with no previous generation.

You certainly sound bitter.

[Limbo]

Hi again limbo, long time no see.

Like I said, if you really think adam and eve appeared suddenly, and fully formed there is no point continuing. You don't have to take it personally.

Hey Carrot,

I didn't take it personally at all actually and no, I'm not bitter, just having a little fun with it.

Anyways, we don't know exactly how human beings came into existence because we are so radically different from all other primates and even other hominids that existed before us.

Humans coming into existence through special creation is as good a theory as any, although arguably not a scientific one.

For me, the more important questions are who created us and why.

[Carrot]

Fair enough.

But asking someone that allows me to group them one way or another.

And obviously I disagree with you with special creation being a valid theory as any other.

[Agent Provocateur]

Could you be clearer? I'm not talking about the creation of the world. I just want to know your stance on evolution first.

We didn't come from the apes...Darwin's theory is just that...A theory...
The world is not millions of years old but less than 6000 years old....

You know who was not the messiah nor was he the son of a higher being and nor was his mother a virgin....
In fact, had condoms and the pill existed back then he would have never been born and we'd all be the one religion...

Naturally there is no proof to any of this but at the same time you can not prove that I am wrong....

[beelzebub]

RE: Unproven, filled with fraud, plenty of evidence to disprove it, does not make sense.

Only to the uneducated and ignorant.

[Carrot]

We didn't come from the apes...Darwin's theory is just that...A theory...
The world is not millions of years old but less than 6000 years old....

You know who was not the messiah nor was he the son of a higher being and nor was his mother a virgin....
In fact, had condoms and the pill existed back then he would have never been born and we'd all be the one religion...

Naturally there is no proof to any of this but at the same time you can not prove that I am wrong....

So you think the world is less than 60000 years old and people appeared in one generation?

Ok.

[beelzebub]

Are we to believe...
- Life arises from a pile of dead rocks by itself?
- In the beginning there was nothing.......and then it exploded!?
See -



Are we to believe some god magically created everything. "I say let it be so" and POOF...it is? That takes a lot of BLIND faith.

BTW - Evolution itself describes the change in organisms over time. It says that we all have a common ancestor but it does not address the ORIGIN of LIFE.

[Carrot]

Beelze, it's not worth discussing.

[beelzebub]

Beelze, it's not worth discussing.

Yeah... I know. I have been doing Evolution with them forever.

How can you argue with someone if they do not accept anything that you say and are hell bent on Blind faith??

http://blog.sironaconsulting.com/.a/6a00d8341c761a53ef0120a4e52bcc970b-320wi

[Limbo]

Beelze, it's not worth discussing.

It's not worth discussing because all you guys can do in the end is retreat to the old "one day science will have all the answers" line when the hard questions are brought up.:D

I'm still waiting for an good explanation of how the fossil record fits in nicely with Darwinian evolution (like the Cambrian explosion for example). I won't hold my breath on that one.

[Carrot]

It's not worth discussing because all you guys can do in the end is retreat to the old "one day science will have all the answers" line when the hard questions are brought up.:D

I'm still waiting for an good explanation of how the fossil record fits in nicely with Darwinian evolution (like the Cambrian explosion for example). I won't hold my breath on that one.

This doesn't regard the origin of life, or dispute God. Why you keep oh so cleverly reverting to that is a mystery to me.

But if someone believes that the first human appeared fully formed, then there is no basis to talk about anything else. I don't see why you're having such a problem with this.

To you I suppose, it would be the equivalent of me saying the earth appeared straight out of the cloud of hyrdogen gas after the big bang, with no need for stars to form and supernovae to create the heavier elements.

We have had discussion about evolution before, the basis for which was we both (at the time at least) agreed life probably originated from single cell organism (as you put it, pre coded for everything) and we talked about whether a God was neccesary to guide it. If however you said God created all the animals without any development, we couldn't have had that discussion could we? There would be no basis for it.

[Agent Provocateur]

So you think the world is less than 60000 years old and people appeared in one generation?

Ok.

Less than six thousand years not 60 thousand :rolleyes:

[beelzebub]

Less than six thousand years not 60 thousand :rolleyes:

That claim does not match any scientific finding. Do you think that all scientists that think otherwise are under the influence of the devil or something?

You can believe what you want... I just prefer the trust in science.

[Agent Provocateur]

That claim does not match any scientific finding. Do you think that all scientists that think otherwise are under the influence of the devil or something?

You can believe what you want... I just prefer the trust in science.

How you can trust science??....they can't prove the world is less than 6000 years nor can they prove that the world is more than 6000 years....

Scientific study sets out to prove something....then they play and twist and reach ridiculous conclusions then they tell the world that it's a scientific fact...
What a joke :rolleyes:

[beelzebub]

How you can trust science??....they can't prove the world is less than 6000 years nor can they prove that the world is more than 6000 years....

"Modern geologists and geophysicists accept that the age of the Earth is around 4.54 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. The Sun, by comparison, is about 4.57 billion years old, about 30 million years older."

That's all the prof I need. You, however, want to purport that a bible has all the answers. Your explanation is "metaphysical" which it is not worth the thin paper it is written on. Why: look at all the inconsistencies in that book, what they base their information on, and what is the origin of the information.

Just in case this might help: You know JC spoke in parables (a story to illustrate a point). You think he is the son of god. Well I say like Father Like son! Don't take the bible literally in other words. It wasn't meant to be that way.


Scientific study sets out to prove something....then they play and twist and reach ridiculous conclusions then they tell the world that it's a scientific fact...
What a joke :rolleyes:

I don't understand what you have just wrote. Science does not play "twists and turns" to reach conclusions at all.

If you truly feel that way then please don't use your computer (computer science built it) don't go to the doctor (medical science trained him) don't use a car, cell phone, your house, or any other technology... science pretty much built them all.

[Agent Provocateur]

"Modern geologists and geophysicists accept that the age of the Earth is around 4.54 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. The Sun, by comparison, is about 4.57 billion years old, about 30 million years older."

That's all the prof I need. You, however, want to purport that a bible has all the answers. Your explanation is "metaphysical" which it is not worth the thin paper it is written on. Why: look at all the inconsistencies in that book, what they base their information on, and what is the origin of the information.


Not at all....Quite the opposite in fact....Religion as we know it today is complete and utter BS....



Just in case this might help: You know JC spoke in parables (a story to illustrate a point). You think he is the son of god. Well I say like Father Like son! Don't take the bible literally in other words. It wasn't meant to be that way.

NO WAY!!!....I think nothing of the sort http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq328/AgentProvocateur_2008/nono.gifYou know who was a complete fake...A phony....Just an illegitimate child(bastard) who spun an amazing story that fools like you fell for hook line and sinker :rolleyes:



I don't understand what you have just wrote. Science does not play "twists and turns" to reach conclusions at all.

If you truly feel that way then please don't use your computer (computer science built it) don't go to the doctor (medical science trained him) don't use a car, cell phone, your house, or any other technology... science pretty much built them all.

You are mixing up what science has created from what they claim to have proven....This is not the same....
And in any case your argument is without logic....It's as stupid as telling an anti-semite not to watch tv or movies because Hollywood is almost completely run by Jews....

Gee beeze...I really thought you were smarter than this :rolleyes:

[freakazoid]

Are we to believe some god magically created everything. "I say let it be so" and POOF...it is? That takes a lot of BLIND faith.

BTW - Evolution itself describes the change in organisms over time. It says that we all have a common ancestor but it does not address the ORIGIN of LIFE.

RE: "BTW - Evolution itself describes the change in organisms over time. It says that we all have a common ancestor but it does not address the ORIGIN of LIFE."

Correct for once, beelze_________, Darwinian evolution is a worthless concept; it explains nothing and has been widely discredited.

But, when you are an atheist you have to grasp some straw to explain where you came from "evolution" and coming from dead matter will do, lie or not. Disproved or not. Who cares.

[beelzebub]

Not at all....Quite the opposite in fact....Religion as we know it today is complete and utter BS....

I totally agree with you.


NO WAY!!!....I think nothing of the sort http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq328/AgentProvocateur_2008/nono.gifYou know who was a complete fake...A phony....Just an illegitimate child(bastard) who spun an amazing story that fools like you fell for hook line and sinker :rolleyes:

WHOA... Dang! Who are you talking about? If you are talking about JC then "that fools like you fell for hook line and sinker" not me my friend.... not at all. BTW - I am NOT a christian. This makes you sound like you are an angry Jew.


You are mixing up what science has created from what they claim to have proven....This is not the same....
And in any case your argument is without logic....It's as stupid as telling an anti-semite not to watch tv or movies because Hollywood is almost completely run by Jews....

Ok, you have lost me here. I don't know what you are talking about. And... for future reference... please don't accuse me of being an anti-semite. I am anything but a bigot.

[Carrot]

And that's why.

[beelzebub]

And that's why.

Just call me a Bodhisattva.

[Limbo]

This doesn't regard the origin of life, or dispute God. Why you keep oh so cleverly reverting to that is a mystery to me.

Well, I brought up the Cambrian explosion (which has nothing to do with the origin of life) as a difficulty for Darwin's ToE in a general way. If you are strictly talking about the first humans, I guess that criticism doesn't necessarily apply.



But if someone believes that the first human appeared fully formed, then there is no basis to talk about anything else. I don't see why you're having such a problem with this.

To you I suppose, it would be the equivalent of me saying the earth appeared straight out of the cloud of hyrdogen gas after the big bang, with no need for stars to form and supernovae to create the heavier elements.

We have had discussion about evolution before, the basis for which was we both (at the time at least) agreed life probably originated from single cell organism (as you put it, pre coded for everything) and we talked about whether a God was neccesary to guide it. If however you said God created all the animals without any development, we couldn't have had that discussion could we? There would be no basis for it.

I mentioned the theory of a "universal ancestor cell" that contained all the code and cellular machinery necessary for the diversity of life that we see today because I see it as the only hope for the ToE because no other approach with random mutations and natural selection makes any sense to me. Humans, on the other hand, are exceptional in almost every way, so why couldn't their origin also be exceptional?

Now if you want to speculate on how we humans came about, think about it this way. Engineers often piece new systems together by mixing existing parts with new novel parts. Who is to say that God didn't cobble humans together by taking some suitable primate DNA and cutting and pasting sections of it with new sections that make us uniquely human and in the image of God himself? Would this still be classified as "special creation" (with no "magic" or "poofing" involved)?

[Carrot]

Now if you want to speculate on how we humans came about, think about it this way. Engineers often piece new systems together by mixing existing parts with new novel parts. Who is to say that God didn't cobble humans together by taking some suitable primate DNA and cutting and pasting sections of it with new sections that make us uniquely human and in the image of God himself? Would this still be classified as "special creation" (with no "magic" or "poofing" involved)?

Could you be clearer?, I'm not quite sure what angle you're taking.

Is this the guided evolution version?
How gradual is the "copying and pasting", is it a physical process a each stage?
What gave birth to the first human, if anything?

[Paisleyspeaker]

Just a few quick things no one mentioned about the bullshit biased crap that started this thread

besides a very biased agenda driven source the whole thing makes two misguided assumptions

1) All homosexuals are into anal sex- well lesbians don't have penises and not all gay men want one up their ass.

2) Homosexuals are the only people who practice sodomy - so that means all those "women" in adult films are really post op transexuals???????

and wouldn't you think it is not the sex but the judgement and hatred from a bigoted, hard hearted minority that causes the stress and greater rate of suicide (and have we even proven from a legitimate source there is any higher rate of suicide?)

[Limbo]

Could you be clearer?, I'm not quite sure what angle you're taking.

Is this the guided evolution version?
How gradual is the "copying and pasting", is it a physical process a each stage?
What gave birth to the first human, if anything?

Viruses can be used to rewrite the genetic code of virtually an entire population in a single generation if they infect the sex cells. There are some pretty major differences in the DNA of humans and other primates, so it would probably take at least a few generations to make the necessary changes.

[Carrot]

Viruses can be used to rewrite the genetic code of virtually an entire population in a single generation if they infect the sex cells. There are some pretty major differences in the DNA of humans and other primates, so it would probably take at least a few generations to make the necessary changes.

Well, in that case, it's not "poof" is it?

Just fairly hardcore guided evolution,where we still share a common ancestor with apes.

[Carrot]

1) All homosexuals are into anal sex- well lesbians don't have penises and not all gay men want one up their ass.

2) Homosexuals are the only people who practice sodomy - so that means all those "women" in adult films are really post op transexuals???????


1) Most are. Or at least that's how they're portrayed even in pro gay things.

2) No, it means those women are dirty whores.....practicing possibly harmful and degrading sexual acts for money.

[beelzebub]

1) Most are. Or at least that's how they're portrayed even in pro gay things.

Ok,. well you are wrong. The anal thing is not as widely practiced as you might think. Its glorified as the "in thing" for the young but us older gay folk do not do that (as often or at all).



2) No, it means those women are dirty whores.....practicing possibly harmful and degrading sexual acts for money.

You don't get her intent... what she is saying is that anal sex is common even in heterosexual sex.

[freakazoid]

Just call me a Bodhisattva.
I prefer to call you a sodomite, that is much more accurate and true.

[Carrot]

Ok,. well you are wrong. The anal thing is not as widely practiced as you might think. Its glorified as the "in thing" for the young but us older gay folk do not do that (as often or at all).

Glorified as the in thing for the young, but I'm wrong?
Right.

As for the older ones, well, how much hammering can an ass take?



You don't get her intent... what she is saying is that anal sex is common even in heterosexual sex.

I got that. You missed my point that when it is practiced by heterosexuals, it's still a "bad" thing...so pointing out that whores do it doesn't help your point.

That, and it's nowhere near as common.

[beelzebub]

Glorified as the in thing for the young, but I'm wrong?
Right. As for the older ones, well, how much hammering can an ass take?

How much hammering can a vagina take?


I got that. You missed my point that when it is practiced by heterosexuals, it's still a "bad" thing...so pointing out that whores do it doesn't help your point.
That, and it's nowhere near as common.

I get your point but remember I didn't point out whores. Common... you think an Australian Jew knows whats common :D JK

[Carrot]

How much hammering can a vagina take?

Considering it's designed for it, babies come out of it and is self lubricating....alot more.


I get your point but remember I didn't point out whores. Common... you think an Australian Jew knows whats common :D JK

Yea, paisley did.

I doubt an australian jew knows much at all.:D

[beelzebub]

Considering it's designed for it, babies come out of it and is self lubricating....alot more.

I am sure you wouldn't be surprised at what an ass can do given you new friend freak's mouth. Its the same really. Spews nothing but shit and takes a beating like a whores twat.

Asses self lubricate and they can take more than you know (obviously). Gay bottoms don't go for surgery evey time they have anal sex. It can take it.


I doubt an australian jew knows much at all.:D

So what the hell are you? Religion wise?

[Carrot]

I am sure you wouldn't be surprised at what an ass can do given you new friend freak's mouth. Its the same really. Spews nothing but shit and takes a beating like a whores twat.

Lol, it's all black and white with you two. I'm freak's new friend while I'm your gay buddy. It's amazing.


Asses self lubricate and they can take more than you know (obviously). Gay bottoms don't go for surgery evey time they have anal sex. It can take it.

Are you seriosuly, as a biology specialist, saying asses are designed better for sex than vaginas are? Really?

It can take it, from what I've heard not as well, and it quite obviously leads to complications.


So what the hell are you? Religion wise?

Not.

[beelzebub]

Are you seriosuly, as a biology specialist, saying asses are designed better for sex than vaginas are? Really?

Didn't say "better" I just said they can handle it.


It can take it, from what I've heard not as well, and it quite obviously leads to complications.

Oh gee thanks... I guess I have been out of the bizz for all my 40 years. What I know is that if you are careful it's no risk or damage at all.

Besides Pais is right, not all homosexuals practice that or even on a regular basis.

[Agent Provocateur]

WHOA... Dang! Who are you talking about? If you are talking about JC then "that fools like you fell for hook line and sinker" not me my friend.... not at all. BTW - I am NOT a christian. This makes you sound like you are an angry Jew.


Not at all...Though there is much within my own religion that has happened in the last 10-15 years that I am rather unhappy about to put it mildly....
Judaism has lost it's direction on a number of levels....



Ok, you have lost me here. I don't know what you are talking about. And... for future reference... please don't accuse me of being an anti-semite. I am anything but a bigot.

I didn't...You seem to have a problem with comprehension so I suggest you read the post again as what I said was clearly used as an example to show how ridiculous your words were ;)