Is it really so bad?

[Superslayer]

Maybe Global warming is a fact, but is it really that fucking bad then?:confused:

[thememan]

Now? No. However, in the very near future? More than likely. As the climates in the various regions change, the most common problem seen will be droughts and famine, due to the time needed to shift the areas of farming needed, and the high cost of doing so. It won't be "world-ending", but instead a large-scale problem that we should be preparing ourselves to deal with.

[who897]

Now? No. However, in the very near future? More than likely. As the climates in the various regions change, the most common problem seen will be droughts and famine, due to the time needed to shift the areas of farming needed, and the high cost of doing so. It won't be "world-ending", but instead a large-scale problem that we should be preparing ourselves to deal with.

I am all for famine, hopefully it will thin the herd if you get my drift.

[Ausinus]

I agree, it will become bad in the near future. We need to start looking at alternatives to fossil fuels like nuclear energy or fusion power. There is no apo mechanes theos coming to save us.

[Superslayer]

Of course we shuold look for other energy sources, but the big problem with global warming as you are talking about maybe not will be so bad. For example: If more ice melts, wouldnt it be more place for forests then?

[Ausinus]

uhh no, because it will cause extreme weather changes. If they ocean gets too much freshwater in it the currents which bring warmth around the world will slow due to freezing, effectivley plunging the planet into a series of meteorological disasters. Over a long time, that is

[Superslayer]

There's no proof that global warming will cause extrem weather.

[Ausinus]

They are predictions based upon empirical data. Additionally, how do you explain the increasing number of strength 4 and 5 hurricanes in recent times?

In any case, there is evidence to show that major flooding will be caused should it continue.

[Superslayer]

That is acctually not very far from couinsidents. The resent number of hurricanes does probably depend on more populated places, wich makes it more possible for people to notice them. Before humans started to conquer the earth maybe it was like common with hurricanes?

[Ausinus]

They can tell, due to rock strata and the like.

But there definitley will be flooding.

[Superslayer]

So what do they tell you?

[Ausinus]

So what do they tell you?

What tells me what?

[Superslayer]

If people can tell about hurricanes and other weather in former days, how was it in former days then?

[Ausinus]

I dont follow.

[Superslayer]

If they can tell abaut hurricanes and other weather in former days, hoe was it in the former days then?

[Ausinus]

Oh you mean

"If they can tell about weather from the past, how is it in the past then?"

Um, because happened in the past. Anata no atama ga itai desu ka?

[General Septem]

Anata no atama ga itai desu ka?
Does your head hurt?

[Ausinus]

Yup :D. Or in Osaka dialect "Is your head damaged?"

[who897]

Could you phonetically spell that. I might have to use it as an excuse not to go to work.

[thememan]

Of course we shuold look for other energy sources, but the big problem with global warming as you are talking about maybe not will be so bad. For example: If more ice melts, wouldnt it be more place for forests then?

Er... no. Increased water in the ocean would in turn mean that there would be increased water vapor in the air streams. You know, those things that keep our climate fairly stable year in and out. Screw with these, and you face massive climate changes, depending on the region. Some regions will get colder, some much warmer, and droughts will most definately ensue in some of our farmland.

Remember: Farming relies on consistent climate. If there is not a consistent climate, farming will fail.

However, this isn't to say that we will be destroyed, jsut that it's going to be very bad for quite some time.

[thememan]

Oh you mean

"If they can tell about weather from the past, how is it in the past then?"

Um, because happened in the past. Anata no atama ga itai desu ka?

Actually, from what I gathered was "If they can tell about the weather in the past, what was it like in the past?"

That, I'm unsure of. Climate effects on strata is not my area of expertise, right now.

[General Septem]

Er... no. Increased water in the ocean would in turn mean that there would be increased water vapor in the air streams. You know, those things that keep our climate fairly stable year in and out. Screw with these, and you face massive climate changes, depending on the region. Some regions will get colder, some much warmer, and droughts will most definately ensue in some of our farmland.

Remember: Farming relies on consistent climate. If there is not a consistent climate, farming will fail.

However, this isn't to say that we will be destroyed, jsut that it's going to be very bad for quite some time.

But these changes are completely natural, and we will adapt, as we always have.

[who897]

At first I was afraid, I was petrified Kept thinking I could never live w/o farming by my side. But then I spent so many nights just thinking how everything got so damn warm, I grew cold, I learned how to get along.

[LolPwned]

But these changes are completely natural, and we will adapt, as we always have.

The changes arent natural, they are being caused by us.

[who897]

The changes arent natural, they are being caused by us.

We are part of nature, so anything we do is natural by default.

[General Septem]

The changes arent natural, they are being caused by us.

We're not making a significant effect on the environment. We're also still coming out of an Ice Age, so some warming is to be expected. It's only about a half a degree over the past several hundred years.

[LolPwned]

We are, look at all the greenhouse gases we're putting into the atmosphere.

[who897]

We are, look at all the greenhouse gases we're putting into the atmosphere.

It's still natural.

[LolPwned]

It is being produced through artificial means. It is an unnatural amount of greenhouse gases being produced. We are going to be plunged into some sort of drastic climate change, which will result in death and starvation.

[who897]

It's not artificial....we humans, inhabitants of the planet earth, part of the eco system, which is nature have done this. It is natural.

[thememan]

We're not making a significant effect on the environment. We're also still coming out of an Ice Age, so some warming is to be expected. It's only about a half a degree over the past several hundred years.

Alright, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument of "natural", so I'll instead go here.

Here's the thing, though. It is increasing substantially faster than it apparently should. It is apparent humans are having an effect, however to what degree is unknown. 1/2 degree over one century may not sound like alot, but look where it is warming up fastest: The poles. As the poles melt, blah blah blah, same old shpeal I've been going on about.

Anywho, we WILL adapt, however if we do not put into place a plan now, we will be caught with our pants down, and the effects will be far greater than they need be. We should try and decrease the effects on the human populace, so as to not have dramatic problems.

[Ausinus]

Its also why we need to invest more in looking at inhabiting space as a viability. And genetically engineering plants and stuff like that.

[thememan]

Its also why we need to invest more in looking at inhabiting space as a viability. And genetically engineering plants and stuff like that.

Funny thing is, any installation inhabited by people, on Mars, for example, would inherently be communist in structure.

Oh the irony.

[who897]

Funny thing is, any installation inhabited by people, on Mars, for example, would inherently be communist in structure.

Oh the irony.

Only if run by the military.

[Ausinus]

Funny thing is, any installation inhabited by people, on Mars, for example, would inherently be communist in structure.

Oh the irony.


Well thats colonialism for you. Perhaps private companies would be allowed to control the means of production.

[General Septem]

Well thats colonialism for you. Perhaps private companies would be allowed to control the means of production.

We all started out that way, though. Well, except your country which started out as a prison. :D

[Ausinus]

We all started out that way, though. Well, except your country which started out as a prison. :D

There were free settlers too. But yes, the main purpose at first was a penal colony.

[General Septem]

Not to mention that the 1/2 degree increase in temperature has only been recorded by weather monitoring stations. Weather balloons seem to show no signs of global warming whatsoever.

Why is this? Because of the "Urban heat island" effect. You may be familiar with this if you've ever heard a meteorologist say the temperature will be "88 in the city, and 85 in the country". The cause is that concrete, asphalt, and steel absorb more of the sun's radiant heat than vegetation does. This is not causing any kind of global warming nor does it have any affect whatsoever on the planet as a whole.

It does, however, cause the average temperature in cities to increase as they become more urbanized. This in turn causes the weather monitoring stations, generally located near urban areas, to record an increase in temperature.

This urban heat island effect can easily account for the recorded 1/2 degree increase in temperature over the last 100 years; any meteorologist can tell you that. This, plus the fact that weather balloons do not pick up any increase in temperature, one can only come to the conclusion that global warming doesn't even exist.

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-new.html

Scroll down to "Environmentalist".

[Ausinus]

Look, our actions are having a very detrimental effect on the environment. Acid Rain, Desalinisation, Smog and Greenhouse gases, which are resulting in aglobal temperature increase. Just look at Venus, and how its surface is extremely hot due to the presence of a large amount of greenhouse gases.

Unfortunatley its bastards like you that are preventing the switch to cleaner fuel sources like nuclear power.

[General Septem]

Look, our actions are having a very detrimental effect on the environment. Acid Rain, Desalinisation, Smog and Greenhouse gases, which are resulting in aglobal temperature increase. Just look at Venus, and how its surface is extremely hot due to the presence of a large amount of greenhouse gases.

Unfortunatley its bastards like you that are preventing the switch to cleaner fuel sources like nuclear power.

I have nothing against nuclear power, it's the government coming in and mandating that we run our lives a certain way to prevent this perceived problem from getting worse that I have a problem with.

And the increase in temperature, as I have pointed out, has not been proven nor documented.

[Ausinus]

Uh it has asshole, our planet is going to turn into a new venus if we are not careful. Additionally, I think that the measures being employed, such as conserving fresh water are good, it means there is more for the people in developing countries.

[General Septem]

Uh it has asshole, our planet is going to turn into a new venus if we are not careful. Additionally, I think that the measures being employed, such as conserving fresh water are good, it means there is more for the people in developing countries.
Again, these claims are unfounded except for urban located weather stations. Weather balloons have not recorded this effect whatsoever.

Not to mention the fact that even if the planet was heating up by a minuscule amount, the planet has gone through minute temperature changes for millions of years before we ever arrived here.

I think we humans are almost rather arrogant to believe ourselves so powerful that we have the ability to destroy the planet.

[Ausinus]

We do have that ability (nuclear weapons anyone?). What we do to the environment has far more impact than you think. Just because you are of the opinion that global warming isnt real doesnt mean we shouldnt cut back on the pollluting fuels anyway.

[General Septem]

We do have that ability (nuclear weapons anyone?). What we do to the environment has far more impact than you think. Just because you are of the opinion that global warming isnt real doesnt mean we shouldnt cut back on the pollluting fuels anyway.

I'm all for trying to help the planet, but not when it involves government oppression.

[Ausinus]

And just what do you call government oppresion related to conservation?

[who897]

I conserve fresh water by using paper plates, plastic cups, and plastic utensils. All of which probably could be recycled but I haven't seen any bins labeled for such.

I am under the impression that less people, less polution. I propose that our legistlators come up with a bill that will make it mandatory for anyone w/ more then a set amount of children be forced to have their tubes tied (both men and women as long as each has fufilled their quota) :D And yes this is a joke, I wanna put some more things in there but it isn't an appropiate thread.

[MrBirdy]

its pressent, we probably wont die from it, but our great great grand childeren are going to have to invest in a pretty good air conditioner

[General Septem]

its pressent, we probably wont die from it, but our great great grand childeren are going to have to invest in a pretty good air conditioner

Yeah, at the rate we're going, my great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren where the average temperature in the summer time is... well maybe 81F as opposed to 80F. For all I know, the government could be investing in a way to recalibrate all the thermometers so that 1 degree F is really maybe 1.5 F, so that it looks like the planet is heating up even though it's not.

[who897]

Yeah, at the rate we're going, my great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren where the average temperature in the summer time is... well maybe 81F as opposed to 80F. For all I know, the government could be investing in a way to recalibrate all the thermometers so that 1 degree F is really maybe 1.5 F, so that it looks like the planet is heating up even though it's not.

Perhaps you should convert that to the Celcius. Wouldn't want the rest of the people in here to be confused. :D

[Superslayer]

But these changes are completely natural, and we will adapt, as we always have.

I have to say that it is somethiing like that i am thinking about, I mean the weather is extrem already, would it really matter if it changes?

[thememan]

Yeah, at the rate we're going, my great great great great great great great great great great grandchildren where the average temperature in the summer time is... well maybe 81F as opposed to 80F. For all I know, the government could be investing in a way to recalibrate all the thermometers so that 1 degree F is really maybe 1.5 F, so that it looks like the planet is heating up even though it's not.

You haven't read a word I've been saying, have you?

[Ausinus]

I have to say that it is somethiing like that i am thinking about, I mean the weather is extrem already, would it really matter if it changes?

It would. When the sea levels rise dramatically, then the amount of arable land for farming and habitation will decrease, resulting in famine and squalor. That is of course, unless we do something.

[General Septem]

You haven't read a word I've been saying, have you?

Did you happen to read the post I made that explains how global warming has not been proven or even recorded? Urban weather stations do not count because of the Urban Heat Island Effect I was talking about.

[Ausinus]

What about the sattelite imagery that shows temperature increases?

[General Septem]

What about the sattelite imagery that shows temperature increases?

Yes, and we've had satellites up there recording temperature for all of about... what, 20 years? That's not enough to show anything.

[Ausinus]

Additionally, not just the temp. but also the rate of temp. increase has gone up since then too.

Plus, your attempts to disprove it wont change anything. We still need to focus more on conserving resources and stopping pollution.

[General Septem]

Plus, your attempts to disprove it wont change anything. We still need to focus more on conserving resources and stopping pollution.

Not if there's no appreciable evidence our pollution is having any affect.

[Ausinus]

There is plenty of evidence. Acid rain, an increase in pollutants in the soil, the holes in the ozone layer, not to mention the smog.

[General Septem]

There is plenty of evidence. Acid rain, an increase in pollutants in the soil, the holes in the ozone layer, not to mention the smog.

With the exception of the ozone layer, these are all localized phenomenon that would go away in relative brevity when their source is removed. And the ozone hole may be a natural phenomenon.

[Ausinus]

With the exception of the ozone layer, these are all localized phenomenon that would go away in relative brevity when their source is removed. And the ozone hole may be a natural phenomenon.

Are you joking, the ozone layer's depletion is provable through science.

[General Septem]

Are you joking, the ozone layer's depletion is provable through science.

I said it may be a natural phenomenon, not that it isn't happening. Read my posts before responding to them next time.

Is that the only part of my post you had to respond to?

[Ausinus]

With the exception of the ozone layer, these are all localized phenomenon that would go away in relative brevity when their source is removed. And the ozone hole may be a natural phenomenon.

The plural is phenomena. And, you just confirmed my statement by saying that they need to be removed.

Are you joking, the ozone layer's depletion is provable through science. CFCs, which are caused by pollution, dissociate upon contact with UV light which releases chlorine, that in turn destroyes ozone.

[General Septem]

The plural is phenomena. And, you just confirmed my statement by saying that they need to be removed.

Not if they're localized and don't cause lasting damage they don't. Not with any kind of urgency anyway.


Are you joking, the ozone layer's depletion is provable through science. CFCs, which are caused by pollution, dissociate upon contact with UV light which releases chlorine, that in turn destroyes ozone.

I'm sure CFCs do cause ozone depletion. I'm just not convinced that's the reason for the ozone depletion already present.

[Ausinus]

Not if they're localized and don't cause lasting damage they don't. Not with any kind of urgency anyway.

They destroy ecosystems, and kill many animals. Go and do an environmental science course and you will see the damage it does.

Why are you so against using cleaner fuels anyway?


I'm sure CFCs do cause ozone depletion. I'm just not convinced that's the reason for the ozone depletion already present.

No, there are others. Such as jets sucking it in and destroying it. CFCs are the big reason for it.

[who897]

Fuck the ozone layer...who needs O2 anyways. That shit can kill you. :D

I did read something a few years back about the ozone layer and how it pretty much always had holes in it. It's self regulating or something of that nature and it can restore itself.

[Ausinus]

Fuck the ozone layer...who needs O2 anyways. That shit can kill you. :D

Ozone is O3, and we really need it. Trust me :D


I did read something a few years back about the ozone layer and how it pretty much always had holes in it. It's self regulating or something of that nature and it can restore itself.

There is natural ozone depletion, but the big ones at the poles are simply far too fast to be natural, and they are not recycling, the additional presence of more CFCs not helping.

[General Septem]

They destroy ecosystems, and kill many animals. Go and do an environmental science course and you will see the damage it does.

Why are you so against using cleaner fuels anyway?

I'm not. I'm against the government regulating yet another fucking aspect of my own damn life.


No, there are others. Such as jets sucking it in and destroying it. CFCs are the big reason for it.

There is no proof of this. Repeating your assertion does nothing to prove it. Proof does not lie in how many times you say something.

[Ausinus]

I'm not. I'm against the government regulating yet another fucking aspect of my own damn life.

So? Switching to cleaner fuels isnt regulating your life, and additionally it will help the environment. I cant believe you would be as irresponsible to say you dont want to help the environment because you dont like the govt.


There is no proof of this. Repeating your assertion does nothing to prove it. Proof does not lie in how many times you say something.

There is proof, they can detect it in the atmosphere and also reproduce it in a laboratory.

[General Septem]

So? Switching to cleaner fuels isnt regulating your life, and additionally it will help the environment. I cant believe you would be as irresponsible to say you dont want to help the environment because you dont like the govt.

I have nothing against cleaner fuels. In fact I like those concept hydrogen "skateboard chassis" cars with that leet X-drive system. I want one of those.

It's the bullshit about emissions controls, and all the press and hype it's getting.


There is proof, they can detect it in the atmosphere and also reproduce it in a laboratory.

That's no proof. Yes it proves the effect but it doesn't prove that the effect is the cause of our current ozone hole, or that it isn't just a natural phenomenon.

[Ausinus]

That's no proof. Yes it proves the effect but it doesn't prove that the effect is the cause of our current ozone hole, or that it isn't just a natural phenomenon.

Well, it is science. Find a more viable explanation, back it up with empirical data and you may be correct there.

[General Septem]

Well, it is science. Find a more viable explanation, back it up with empirical data and you may be correct there.

It's just as likely to be a natural phenomenon as it is unnatural. Just because it cannot be proven either way doesn't mean the more popular idea holds more clout.

Natural disaster:

An unnatural phenomenon resulting from man's destruction of the planet. Hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods are all caused by our irresponsibility, even though they have been happening for thousands of years before we even existed.

[who897]

Hasn't the United States all but banned any use of CFC's in commercal products and refridgerent?

[yea_thats_right1]

screw you guys im buliding a boat :)

[who897]

screw you guys im buliding a boat :)
That will destroy the earth...ooohhhh noooo. Unless it's 70% post consumer products that are used in the construction of said boat.

[thememan]

Bloody freakin proof of everything I've been bloody saying about the Goddamn bloody glaciers melting due to Global Warming(Which, if you pay attention, does not mean that everywhere is getting warmer, but certain areas are, most notably the goddamn Poles):

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2099971.ece



Disappearing world: Global warming claims tropical island
For the first time, an inhabited island has disappeared beneath rising seas. Environment Editor Geoffrey Lean reports
Published: 24 December 2006

Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth. The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true.

As the seas continue to swell, they will swallow whole island nations, from the Maldives to the Marshall Islands, inundate vast areas of countries from Bangladesh to Egypt, and submerge parts of scores of coastal cities.

Eight years ago, as exclusively reported in The Independent on Sunday, the first uninhabited islands - in the Pacific atoll nation of Kiribati - vanished beneath the waves. The people of low-lying islands in Vanuatu, also in the Pacific, have been evacuated as a precaution, but the land still juts above the sea. The disappearance of Lohachara, once home to 10,000 people, is unprecedented.

It has been officially recorded in a six-year study of the Sunderbans by researchers at Calcutta's Jadavpur University. So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures.

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated. Dr Sugata Hazra, director of the university's School of Oceanographic Studies, says "it is only a matter of some years" before it is swallowed up too. Dr Hazra says there are now a dozen "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta. The area's 400 tigers are also in danger.

Until now the Carteret Islands off Papua New Guinea were expected to be the first populated ones to disappear, in about eight years' time, but Lohachara has beaten them to the dubious distinction.

Human cost of global warming: Rising seas will soon make 70,000 people homeless

Refugees from the vanished Lohachara island and the disappearing Ghoramara island have fled to Sagar, but this island has already lost 7,500 acres of land to the sea. In all, a dozen islands, home to 70,000 people, are in danger of being submerged by the rising seas.


Global warming isn't happening my ass.

[General Septem]

Bloody freakin proof of everything I've been bloody saying about the Goddamn bloody glaciers melting due to Global Warming(Which, if you pay attention, does not mean that everywhere is getting warmer, but certain areas are, most notably the goddamn Poles):

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2099971.ece



Global warming isn't happening my ass.

So? A few small fucking islands. That doesn't mean anything. I can guarandamntee you no island I've ever heard of is going to get swallowed up in my lifetime or yours. And besides, there is absolutely zero proof whatsoever that it isn't just a natural phenomenon.

[who897]

I don't want bloody proof...I just want proof, bloody is just too messy.

[Ausinus]

Lets see. We know that pollution can destroy ozone. We know that pollution has increased exponentially since the industrial revolution. We know that the ozone layer's holes are expanding. We know that the lack of ozone protection causes heat increase. We know the temp. around the poles is increasing. We know that sea levels are rising due to polar meltwater. We can surmise that our pollution is causing these things.

[who897]

Lets see. We know that pollution can destroy ozone. We know that pollution has increased exponentially since the industrial revolution. We know that the ozone layer's holes are expanding. We know that the lack of ozone protection causes heat increase. We know the temp. around the poles is increasing. We know that sea levels are rising due to polar meltwater. We can surmise that our pollution is causing these things.

Yet, can we surimse if I give 2 drops of jizz? To a man the world is his bathroom. I'm just incoorpertating it to be my trash can too. :D

[General Septem]

Lets see. We know that pollution can destroy ozone. We know that pollution has increased exponentially since the industrial revolution. We know that the ozone layer's holes are expanding. We know that the lack of ozone protection causes heat increase. We know the temp. around the poles is increasing. We know that sea levels are rising due to polar meltwater. We can surmise that our pollution is causing these things.

And the only way we can surmise this is because we know pollution can destroy ozone - in controlled lab tests. That's a pretty weak motherfucking link for something that's holding such a heavy damn load.

[Ausinus]

It is enough to go on, if pollution destroys ozone in a lab test why couldnt it destroy it in nature? What is so different, especially since they recreated stratospheric conditions?

[General Septem]

It is enough to go on, if pollution destroys ozone in a lab test why couldnt it destroy it in nature? What is so different, especially since they recreated stratospheric conditions?

Why couldn't it? I'm not saying it couldn't. I'm saying a lab test isn't proof that that's what's really happening by a long shot. Just because we can produce the same effects with our own ideas doesn't mean that's what's really causing the problem. It would be like saying "by pulling the drain in water, we can create a tornado, so therefore tornadoes are formed by air somehow sinking into the fucking ground". It just doesn't make sense.

[Ausinus]

Ok, the pollution thing is hardly a fallacious connection, we have observed pollution destroy ozone. You cant liken it to your analogy.

[General Septem]

Ok, the pollution thing is hardly a fallacious connection, we have observed pollution destroy ozone. You cant liken it to your analogy.

We haven't observed it destroy ozone in the atmosphere, which is my point. We've observed it destroy ozone in a lab, and that's hardly proof of anything. Proof that pollution can possibly destroy ozone? Yes. Proof that it is or that it does? No.

[Ausinus]

Its the most logical cause of the amount of ozone depletion. When they do observe it, if they havent already, then we will have surety of it.

[General Septem]

Its the most logical cause of the amount of ozone depletion. When they do observe it, if they havent already, then we will have surety of it.
The most logical cause, if you've already decided it is the cause and are just trying to use the facts to prove it.

[twisted_screams]

in Pa it is 72 degrees outside in Jan. All i can say is that the trees are blooming early and some of my flowers are up, Some people are saying that the atlantic is changeing its coarse and with el nino its doing it faster. Perhaps this is just the way of things and nature is changing again. Who knows but i am enjoying the warm weather while it lasts.

[General Septem]

in Pa it is 72 degrees outside in Jan. All i can say is that the trees are blooming early and some of my flowers are up, Some people are saying that the atlantic is changeing its coarse and with el nino its doing it faster. Perhaps this is just the way of things and nature is changing again. Who knows but i am enjoying the warm weather while it lasts.

It's warm here too. And see, that's evidence against global warming. It's a bit of a misnomer, because while the planet as a whole gets warmer, most places might get a little colder. Obviously this isn't happening.

[thememan]

It's warm here too. And see, that's evidence against global warming. It's a bit of a misnomer, because while the planet as a whole gets warmer, most places might get a little colder. Obviously this isn't happening.

Well, a few months back, Australia had snow. Which does not happen. So meh.

Some places do get colder. Really, do you think about what you are saying?

Also, the warmer temps near the Atlantic are likely due to El Nino. Not the same as Global Warmer.

[something]

Well just becouse it's warmer, or colder, so does that not prove that we're facing some gloga amng,It may just be colder or varmer by complete natural reasons. The warmest year we had was 1998, and that was a few years ago, and it hasn't been much warmer since then.

[twisted_screams]

We also have more snow storms in the desert this year then any other sooooo i think the world is just changing we may by the gases made it happen a bit faster but think about it wouldn't some of this global warming help plants grow in places plants normally don't grow. if I plant my tomato plants outside now and it doesn't get much colder then 50ty degrees all that means is that my plants will produce for a bit longer then usual. Maybe this is all supposed to happen and the earth is replenishing itself.

[Ausinus]

If it was then it wouldnt be killing all the phytoplankton in the sea.

[who897]

If it was then it wouldnt be killing all the phytoplankton in the sea.

I say save the phytoplankton and kill some of these asshole humans :D

[thememan]

Well just becouse it's warmer, or colder, so does that not prove that we're facing some gloga amng,It may just be colder or varmer by complete natural reasons. The warmest year we had was 1998, and that was a few years ago, and it hasn't been much warmer since then.

Oy.

Alright, one should not look at shifts from a couple years.(btw-What the hell does "gloga amng" mean?)

The most important thing to note is the decline of Glaciers at the poles, notably in Greenland and Antartica. We are noticing a general trend in climate(Not weather-which is very different) change in the various regions.

[thememan]

We also have more snow storms in the desert this year then any other sooooo i think the world is just changing we may by the gases made it happen a bit faster but think about it wouldn't some of this global warming help plants grow in places plants normally don't grow. if I plant my tomato plants outside now and it doesn't get much colder then 50ty degrees all that means is that my plants will produce for a bit longer then usual. Maybe this is all supposed to happen and the earth is replenishing itself.

Other places will be suspect to droughts, others to being to cold for types of food that was previously grown there, etc. Some places will be helped, other will be hurt. It all will fall on our ability to change to what is appearing to be a very rapid shift in overall climate.

[Ausinus]

Other places will be suspect to droughts, others to being to cold for types of food that was previously grown there, etc. Some places will be helped, other will be hurt. It all will fall on our ability to change to what is appearing to be a very rapid shift in overall climate.

Exactly. Australia is going through a huge drought right now when there wasnt one.

[Ausinus]

Oy.

Alright, one should not look at shifts from a couple years.(btw-What the hell does "gloga amng" mean?)

The most important thing to note is the decline of Glaciers at the poles, notably in Greenland and Antartica. We are noticing a general trend in climate(Not weather-which is very different) change in the various regions.

Glogal Amng, i think it means global warming lol.

[thememan]

Glogal Amng, i think it means global warming lol.

Well, I figured as much from "gloga", but how the hell is "amng" warming?

[Ausinus]

He's from the netherlands, he doesnt have good english.

[Ausinus]

Well just becouse it's warmer, or colder, so does that not prove that we're facing some gloga amng,It may just be colder or varmer by complete natural reasons. The warmest year we had was 1998, and that was a few years ago, and it hasn't been much warmer since then.

No, but the fact that mass amounts of plankton, coral, and other marine species are dying does. If this is truly natural, and it has happened before, marine species would have evolved to deal with it.

Speaking of which, did you know that scientists have evidence that modern organisms have less tolerance for high temperatures the further away from the common ancestor bacteria you get?

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He's from the netherlands, he doesnt have good english.

Yea, I don't have good english, but when I wrought (probably wrong word) gloga amng did a just screw up, becouse i can write Global Warming.

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No, but the fact that mass amounts of plankton, coral, and other marine species are dying does. If this is truly natural, and it has happened before, marine species would have evolved to deal with it.

Speaking of which, did you know that scientists have evidence that modern organisms have less tolerance for high temperatures the further away from the common ancestor bacteria you get?

Yea I get it, but the marine species doesn't have deal with it trough evulution. Sometimes the earth just changes so some species die. Sometimes it's many, sometimes; just a few. If the corals and plancton not can deal with it so will they die. It doesn't have to be gobal catastrophy.

[Ausinus]

Yea I get it, but the marine species doesn't have deal with it trough evulution. Sometimes the earth just changes so some species die. Sometimes it's many, sometimes; just a few. If the corals and plancton not can deal with it so will they die. It doesn't have to be gobal catastrophy.

All across the earth, phytoplankton and zooplankton are dying due to rising ocean temperatures. They form the basis for sea life, and their extinction would mean the death of hundreds of other species in a single blow. If this was truly natural, then it would have happened before the last ice age and thus the plankton would have evolved to deal with natural temperature changes.

Also, it will become a global catastrophe; massive flooding and weather changes. The amount of arable farming land will decrease exponentially.

[who897]

All across the earth, phytoplankton and zooplankton are dying due to rising ocean temperatures. They form the basis for sea life, and their extinction would mean the death of hundreds of other species in a single blow. If this was truly natural, then it would have happened before the last ice age and thus the plankton would have evolved to deal with natural temperature changes.

Also, it will become a global catastrophe; massive flooding and weather changes. The amount of arable farming land will decrease exponentially.

So what can I do to accelerate this killing off of shit? I always wanted to be the reason for the destruction of a species.

[General Septem]

So what can I do to accelerate this killing off of shit? I always wanted to be the reason for the destruction of a species.

You deal with a lot of military-grade explosives, right? Or at least know a demolitions officer? Well you can start by blowing away at the polar ice cap. Perhaps you could even hijack a nuclear bomb and aim for the south pole.

"Fuck the grandkids, I'm cold now!"

[who897]

I say fuck the kids, they are of no consequence to me.


Holy shit, I thought you were fucking around about Firefox having a spell check. I accidently pressed that check button trying to head back to google, and it did it....amazing.

[Ausinus]

Finally, I dont have to keep correcting your bad spelling BURNED :D

[who897]

Finally, I dont have to keep correcting your bad spelling BURNED :D

Ohhh I wouldn't count on that...I might fuck up a word on purpose to keep you on your toes :D

[hitekredneck]

we do not have enough data to determine if global warming is a fact. look at it scientificly, the planet is supposedly millions of years old, yet we have only recorded weather and it's patterns for less than a thousand years. the only thing that i've seen proof of is that the weather is cyclical. in other words, what has happened before will happen again. if you want a good read about the subject, i suggest "state of fear". true, it's fiction, but has an amazing amount of facts and empirical data supporting both sides of the argument.

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we do not have enough data to determine if global warming is a fact. look at it scientificly, the planet is supposedly millions of years old, yet we have only recorded weather and it's patterns for less than a thousand years. the only thing that i've seen proof of is that the weather is cyclical. in other words, what has happened before will happen again. if you want a good read about the subject, i suggest "state of fear". true, it's fiction, but has an amazing amount of facts and empirical data supporting both sides of the argument.

Well, it's proved that global warming is possible, it is if it acctually happend now we don't know.

[hitekredneck]

Well, it's proved that global warming is possible, it is if it acctually happend now we don't know.
anything is possible

[Ausinus]

Whether you like it or not, we have to cut down upon our toxic emissions.

[General Septem]

Whether you like it or not, we have to cut down upon our toxic emissions.
But government control over this matter will face fierce opposition from the barrel of at least a few sniper rifles.

[Ausinus]

Im sure you'll be behind one of them.

[General Septem]

Im sure you'll be behind one of them.

Yeah, I'll be holding the $100,000 Walther WA2000.

[hitekredneck]

Im sure you'll be behind one of them.
if he won't, i will be...can hit the nuts on a gnat @ 300 yards with my 7mag

[Ausinus]

Pray tell, what state do you live in?

[hitekredneck]

well, colorado...and why, pray tell, do you inquire?

[Ausinus]

Curious, thats all.

[who897]

Curious, thats all.

Don't mind the Yankee's. They are a confusing bunch.

[TheAvenger]

There are reports of Polar Bears drowning in Antartica, because the ice is melting all around them, and while they can swim, the lengths that they have to travel to reach stable ice is just too much.
When Antartica starts to melt, we better start being concerned.

[hitekredneck]

There are reports of Polar Bears drowning in Antartica, because the ice is melting all around them, and while they can swim, the lengths that they have to travel to reach stable ice is just too much.
When Antartica starts to melt, we better start being concerned.

and your source is??????

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There are reports of Polar Bears drowning in Antartica, because the ice is melting all around them, and while they can swim, the lengths that they have to travel to reach stable ice is just too much.
When Antartica starts to melt, we better start being concerned.

Seriusly, a polar bear have never done anything good to us, and I don't think it ever will. If it whipes out from the planet, will something (not me:D) take it's place, and nothing will change so much. And for your information, The ice on Antarctica IS melting, but Antarctica is actually a continent by itself, so even if the ice on it melts, so will the land still be there, frozen as it has been for MILLIONS of years.

[Ausinus]

Seriusly, a polar bear have never done anything good to us, and I don't think it ever will. If it whipes out from the planet, will something (not me:D) take it's place, and nothing will change so much. And for your information, The ice on Antarctica IS melting, but Antarctica is actually a continent by itself, so even if the ice on it melts, so will the land still be there, frozen as it has been for MILLIONS of years.

Additionally there is also the fact that Antarctica doesnt have Polar Bears, as they live in the Arctic.:D

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Additionally there is also the fact that Antarctica doesnt have Polar Bears, as they live in the Arctic.:D

I know that, but I didn't see he didn't know that.

[markb777]

perhaps we could send some of the navy to rescue them...

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~bgmark_quik/canadanavy[1].jpeg

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An old joke that is...

[partygirl]

This is no news for me, actually i am not surprised at all. I am very sad also.