The root of all evil

[theicidal maniac]

Religion, not the love of money, is the root of all evil...Our idea that there is even such a thing actually comes from religion, but furthermore it is actually the SOURCE of our most shameful historical events. Behind every horrible misdeed, every "good intention" that ended up destroying lives, we can find the the hideous face of the spectre of religion...We must do away with it, and we should start by recognizing the Bible for what it is...FILTH. At a university in Texas, some students set up a kiosk with a sign that read "smut for smut." Anyone who brought them a "holy text" would be given a playboy in return, and the religious texts were disposed of...

[theicidal maniac]

Here's part of the problem..
from -- http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8

God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7

Sarai tells Abraham to "cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands him to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14

God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10

Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

The sons of Jacob trick Shechem into getting circumcised. Then they murder him, his sons, and all the males of the city, while taking their wives captive. 34:24-29

"And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

[General Septem]

But by your own admission, there is no right or wrong, so even if religion is responsible for the acts you are describing, nobody's to say they were wrong, because right and wrong don't exist.

Or does that only apply to everyone else's beliefs?

[Ausinus]

No he means by modern societies standards they are wrong acts.

[General Septem]

No he means by modern societies standards they are wrong acts.

Again, ignoring the fact that all of his Bible quotes are entirely misquoted, misinterpreted (Cain was wrong for killing Abel and was even punished for it so why the fuck would you quote that as endorsing killing), taken out of context, and blown out of proportion, by his own admission we are in no place to judge anyway.

[Ausinus]

They are hardly misquoted, he is saying about how even in the bible it shows how religion has led to violence, and how god commited acts of violence that broke his own laws.

[General Septem]

They are hardly misquoted, he is saying about how even in the bible it shows how religion has led to violence, and how god commited acts of violence that broke his own laws.

The quotes are entirely misquoted and taken out of context. Only an idiot would quote Cain's killing of Abel as proof that the Bible endorses violence, because that was obviously depicted in a negative light. Similarly, he points out that God killed every living creature on the planet, even though this isn't the case (He saved Noah and his family, as well as enough animals to repopulate the land. Besides, Koala bears have never lived in the Mesopotamian plain, where the Flood was most likely localized to.)

[Ausinus]

Oo, the noah's family is the second mention of incestual repopulation. Its bullshit. God supposedly tells people not to kill but does it himself. You dont just make laws and then do what you want. If god was here right now I would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

[General Septem]

Oo, the noah's family is the second mention of incestual repopulation. Its bullshit. God supposedly tells people not to kill but does it himself. You dont just make laws and then do what you want. If god was here right now I would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.

Actually each of Noah's three sons brought a wife with them, so it wasn't incestuous. Plus the incest laws didn't come into play until some time after Adam and Eve, and the Creation of all mankind isn't something that happens every month, so as it pertains to us, what they did can scarcely be used to justify us doing it.

God tells us not to commit murder because only He knows when it's time for us to die. Everyone dies some time or another.

[Ausinus]

Actually each of Noah's three sons brought a wife with them, so it wasn't incestuous.

Well then it was noah's grandchildren marrying their first cousins or even their sisters. Which constitutes incest in some cases.


Plus the incest laws didn't come into play until some time after Adam and Eve, and the Creation of all mankind isn't something that happens every month, so as it pertains to us, what they did can scarcely be used to justify us doing it.

Ok, well the selection of christs apostles doesnt happen every day, so then why can you use that to justify not ordaining women?


God tells us not to commit murder because only He knows when it's time for us to die. Everyone dies some time or another.

Note to self: Prosecute god for multiple homicide, rape, use of biological weapons of mass destruction, etc. when get the chance.

[General Septem]

Well then it was noah's grandchildren marrying their first cousins or even their sisters. Which constitutes incest in some cases.

Which is also something that doesn't happen every month, but in some cases, first cousin relations is not incest, although it can be. Most of God's laws have a provision for "if absolutely necessary". For instance, a sin has to be grave, and committed with full knowledge and full consent to be mortal. Since they didn't really have any choice but to have kids by their first cousins, at the very most it would've been a venial sin because their ability to consent was compromised, but in this case I don't believe it was a sin at all anyway. They were populating the Earth, which when push comes to shove is more important than the marriage being as ideal as possible.


Ok, well the selection of christs apostles doesnt happen every day, so then why can you use that to justify not ordaining women?

That doesn't even make sense. First off, I've never used that to justify not ordaining women (that was AGK). And second, the circumstances we're talking about with Adam and Eve's children being "incestuous" don't even apply to the selection of Christ's Apostles. Adam and Eve's children were "incestuous" because it was the only way they could populate the Earth.


Note to self: Prosecute god for multiple homicide, rape, use of biological weapons of mass destruction, etc. when get the chance.

You're not listening again. These are crimes of man, not caused by God.

Let's look at this again. The reason why homicide is wrong is because life and death are in God's hands alone. He alone knows when it is the best time for us to leave the world. When someone commits murder, they undermine God's rightful power in the matter, thinking they know better than God who should die. Therefore when someone dies by murder, it is not God's choice but man's choice for that person to die.

[who897]

You're not listening again. These are crimes of man, not caused by God.

Let's look at this again. The reason why homicide is wrong is because life and death are in God's hands alone. He alone knows when it is the best time for us to leave the world. When someone commits murder, they undermine God's rightful power in the matter, thinking they know better than God who should die. Therefore when someone dies by murder, it is not God's choice but man's choice for that person to die.


So "god's" not all powerfull then. Before when you said something bout him labeling things right or wrong, he never did that, it was good and evil, religious terms.

[General Septem]

So "god's" not all powerfull then.

God is all powerful, but by His own choice He gave some of that power up in favor of our own free will. God has the ability to interfere with our free will, but He never would, even when our own free will interfered with His plan for someone else. It would go against God's nature; he gave us free will for an important reason.

[theicidal maniac]

But by your own admission, there is no right or wrong, so even if religion is responsible for the acts you are describing, nobody's to say they were wrong, because right and wrong don't exist.

Or does that only apply to everyone else's beliefs?

But those actions do cause human suffering and so we should try to abandon the ideas that do not better but hurt society.

[General Septem]

But those actions do cause human suffering and so we should try to abandon the ideas that do not better but hurt society.

Well first of all you are wrong in thinking Christianity and specifically Catholicism endorses anything that hurts society. From what I know, Catholicism never made a good government, but it always made a good Church. And second of all, who are you to say that something that hurts society is wrong? By your own admission, there is no right or wrong.

[Ausinus]

Made a good church? It was because of them that some of humanities greatest atrocities happened!

[theicidal maniac]

Hey look what Genny said;


"You have to be a Christian to get into Heaven, but that doesn't mean non-Christians can't get into Heaven."

Everyone laugh at him. HA HA HA HA

[General Septem]

Made a good church? It was because of them that some of humanities greatest atrocities happened!

No, it was because they tried to be a government that these atrocities happened. Living by a system of beliefs is a good thing. Trying to run a society based on them is quite different. People should do the right thing for its own sake, not because of the laws or the government. No, as a Church, Catholicism is good. As a government it's not so good, but Jesus was not trying to create a government. He was trying to create a Church.

[General Septem]

Hey look what Genny said;



Everyone laugh at him. HA HA HA HA

All you're doing is proving your own stupidity.

Theicide doesn't understand what the fuck I'm saying, everyone laugh at him. :D

[theicidal maniac]

Well first of all you are wrong in thinking Christianity and specifically Catholicism endorses anything that hurts society.


like The Inquisition, or the crusades or witch trials, or refusal to allow contraception in disease-racked countries.....PERPETUATING MYTHS THAT BALKANIZE THE PLANET AND PIT CIVILIZATIONS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER


From what I know, Catholicism never made a good government, but it always made a good Church. And second of all, who are you to say that something that hurts society is wrong? By your own admission, there is no right or wrong.

Well again, HURT doesn't come down to right and wrong. If you hit your girlfriend you hurt her, and that could be said to be "wrong." On the other hand, if she then dumps you, that HURTS you, but is that WRONG of her? You could do "good" and still hurt people and you can do "bad" things and good can come of it.

[thememan]

No, you are all wrong. Women are the true evil, and I can prove it mathematically.

Women=TimexMoney
Time=Money
Thus:

Women=MoneyxMoney
Or
Women=Money^2
Now then, we all know that Money is the root of all evil. Thus,

Women=[sqrt(evil)^2]

Now then, work that out, and it comes to

Women=Evil

[Ausinus]

Thats old and not funny anymore.

[General Septem]

like The Inquisition, or the crusades or witch trials,

These were done by a government, not a religion.


or refusal to allow contraception in disease-racked countries.....

It's not like they're preventing anyone from having access to condoms, they're just saying it's not the answer. It's not going to solve the problem. They say what will solve the problem, but the ignorant ass niggers ignore the solution and just have unprotected sex saying the priests told them to do it. You can't blame the missionaries if the other half of their message is being ignored.


Well again, HURT doesn't come down to right and wrong. If you hit your girlfriend you hurt her, and that could be said to be "wrong." On the other hand, if she then dumps you, that HURTS you, but is that WRONG of her? You could do "good" and still hurt people and you can do "bad" things and good can come of it.

So how, under your philosophy of right and wrong not existing, can you hold Catholicism responsible for "evils" if you don't believe evil exists?

[Ausinus]

These were done by a government, not a religion.

Pope Urban II called the crusades, and all of them were approved by popes.

[General Septem]

Pope Urban II called the crusades, and all of them were approved by popes.

Yes, the Popes were acting as governmental leaders in these decisions, not as religious leaders. Religions do not have militaries; governments do.

[Ausinus]

Yes, the Popes were acting as governmental leaders in these decisions, not as religious leaders. Religions do not have militaries; governments do.

Urban II said that anyone who went crusading would be absolved of their sins. How is that not acting as a religious leader.

[General Septem]

Urban II said that anyone who went crusading would be absolved of their sins. How is that not acting as a religious leader.

It was a religious government perhaps, but a government nonetheless, and I don't believe any religion makes a good government. I don't think any government makes a good government.

[Ausinus]

In an anarchic period the church would attempt to seize power. Look at the Dark Ages.

[who897]

No, you are all wrong. Women are the true evil, and I can prove it mathematically.

Women=TimexMoney
Time=Money
Thus:

Women=Evil

For the longest time I was trying to figure out what Timex had to do with anything. Like what the fuck does a watch company have to do w/ woman. Then it dawned on me that Time (x=multiply) Money. Now I feel silly for explaining my confusion in this matter.

I think all government is good, but only as long as the people in the capasity for governing folks remain uncorupt, honest, fair, faithful to their own people, humble, don't bring discredit to themselves or those they serve, try and mantain peace as much as possible and compasonate. Now I am sure there are a ton more qualities I could think of to put in here, but you get the jist of it. Granted those that govern are failable such is it to be human, but a government as a whole shouldn't be, that is why our's adapts because some folks had enough foresight to see change is neccisary, but that's a different topic for another day.

Honor, Respect, Devotion to Duty.

[Ausinus]

I agree. I think the current version of democracy in this country is something to be admired. Mind you, there is still some fine tuning needed, but look; you have separation of powers, a bill of rights, and a fine electoral system, amongst other things. You could improve some things, such as separation of church and state, seperate presidential elections and such, but the current system serves as a model for future democracies.

[General Septem]

In an anarchic period the church would attempt to seize power. Look at the Dark Ages.
The Church may have seized power in the past, but then again they didn't even wait for anarchic periods most of the time. If they were still after power, they'd be building an Army, but all they've got are those fruity looking guards.

[theicidal maniac]

These were done by a government, not a religion.

The parts that were done by the government were conducted by governments under the control of the catholic church, but much of these attrocities were ACTUALLY COMMITTED BY ORDER OF THE CHURCH. You know this is true.


It's not like they're preventing anyone from having access to condoms, they're just saying it's not the answer. It's not going to solve the problem.

But they are telling them that using contraception is a sin, IN AN ATTEMPT TO STOP THEM FROM DOING IT! The church is all about controlling people and governments and it always has been, that's why it is zionist, and that is why it is dangerous, and that is why it should be removed from the planet, along with your 14th century mentality.


They say what will solve the problem, but the ignorant ass niggers ignore the solution and just have unprotected sex saying the priests told them to do it.

That's what I always suspected, you are just some white trash biggot. And it is largely due to your religious convitctions. You are an embarassment of a human being


So how, under your philosophy of right and wrong not existing, can you hold Catholicism responsible for "evils" if you don't believe evil exists? I don't, I hold it responsible for suffering of humans, which we should all be able to agree is something that should be eliminated wherever possible. Keep trying to justify your crap and I'll keep showing you why you're wrong, pushing you further into your tiny little corner...which is where you should be; marginalized

[theicidal maniac]

The Church may have seized power in the past, but then again they didn't even wait for anarchic periods most of the time. If they were still after power, they'd be building an Army, but all they've got are those fruity looking guards.

And preaching the bible to the masses IS building an army, because the bible teaches that God allows you to kill anyone who believes differently..and so does every other religion, balkanizing us all.

[who897]

The Church may have seized power in the past, but then again they didn't even wait for anarchic periods most of the time. If they were still after power, they'd be building an Army, but all they've got are those fruity looking guards.

Aren't those prissy little swiss guards supposed to all be some kinda special elite unit of tighty rainbow fighting force? Of course, they are the swiss so who know's how well they can fight if at all.

[MrBirdy]

Religion, not the love of money, is the root of all evil...Our idea that there is even such a thing actually comes from religion, but furthermore it is actually the SOURCE of our most shameful historical events. Behind every horrible misdeed, every "good intention" that ended up destroying lives, we can find the the hideous face of the spectre of religion...We must do away with it, and we should start by recognizing the Bible for what it is...FILTH. At a university in Texas, some students set up a kiosk with a sign that read "smut for smut." Anyone who brought them a "holy text" would be given a playboy in return, and the religious texts were disposed of...

Thats cool, the whole smut 4 smut thing, but i really dont think the bible is smut, it is a book, thats it. what is smut, is the idea!! see people believe in it, lets face it, jk rowling has crazier ideas than the bible, but thats not smut, if people think its true, than it is msut, get me?

it comes down to this>
NO DECENT BOOK THAT IS WORTH READING IS SMUT, HOWEVER, ANYTHING THAT CAUSES CONFLICT SHOULD BE SMUT.

so if people didn't believ it, it wouldn't be smut...

[General Septem]

And preaching the bible to the masses IS building an army, because the bible teaches that God allows you to kill anyone who believes differently..and so does every other religion, balkanizing us all.

You've never set foot in a Catholic Church any time recently I take it. The sermons at my Church have always taught the exact opposite of what you're describing.

[General Septem]

The parts that were done by the government were conducted by governments under the control of the catholic church, but much of these attrocities were ACTUALLY COMMITTED BY ORDER OF THE CHURCH. You know this is true.

This is because the "order" was doubling as a government. Religions do not wage wars because religions are ideas. Governments do, and often times use ideas as shields.


But they are telling them that using contraception is a sin, IN AN ATTEMPT TO STOP THEM FROM DOING IT! The church is all about controlling people and governments and it always has been, that's why it is zionist, and that is why it is dangerous, and that is why it should be removed from the planet, along with your 14th century mentality.

So by saying something is wrong, we're all of a sudden the ones controlling people? Are you on meth? Saying something is wrong is not controlling people if you leave it up to them to make the right decisions, and the missionaries are not preventing anyone from using condoms, just saying they're wrong.

And in addition to that, they are preaching abstinence, which if the niggers listened to that as well as the condom thing, AIDS still wouldn't be a problem. But no, the uneducated, stupid ass niggers are excited by the proposition that condoms are bad (after all it feels better without), and now they can blame it on the missionaries, but when it comes time to listening to the rest of what they're taught (namely, stop spreading your fucking legs to everyone you know), that's too hard for the lazy motherfuckers.


That's what I always suspected, you are just some white trash biggot. And it is largely due to your religious convitctions. You are an embarassment of a human being

Let's see here. They are ignorant because:

They sleep around without using condoms, which is against what atheists and Catholics alike are telling them. Apparently they think that by combining the two solutions (namely, the atheist solution of sleeping around but use condoms, and the Catholic solution of abstaining and not using condoms), taking the easiest portions to follow from each of them, they've come up with an even better solution to AIDS (namely, sleeping around and not using condoms), even though that's the same thing they've done for the past thousand years and is what caused the problem of AIDS to begin with.

Due to my religious convictions? No, try more like due to my intense and passionate hatred toward the ideal that the truth cannot be spoken if it offends anyone. Due to my hatred of politically correct speech, which is nothing but modern newspeak.

When I use the word nigger, I am referring to any black person who is also a filthy, uneducated, lazy, and inconsiderate piece of shit. That doesn't make it a racial slur; it makes it an observation of stereotypical behaviour exhibited by certain individuals within a group. I acknowledge that many if not most black people are not niggers. That's why I don't refer to the stereotypical pieces of shit as black people - if anything, that would be racist because that does refer to the entire race.

Note to self: add people who cry "LOLWTF RACIST" to the list of people that need to be curb stomped.


I don't, I hold it responsible for suffering of humans, which we should all be able to agree is something that should be eliminated wherever possible.

Then you are implying that the suffering of humans (or the deliberate causing of such) is wrong, which is something that goes against your philosophy that right and wrong are subjective.


Keep trying to justify your crap and I'll keep showing you why you're wrong, pushing you further into your tiny little corner...which is where you should be; marginalized

If you think you're trapping me into a corner, perhaps you're right - I'm in the corner of the room with the door, and drawing a line on the floor you can never pass. In your arrogance and blind stupidity, your attempt to trap me into a corner has trapped yourself in the rest of the room.

[theicidal maniac]

Thats cool, the whole smut 4 smut thing, but i really dont think the bible is smut, it is a book, thats it. what is smut, is the idea!! see people believe in it, lets face it, jk rowling has crazier ideas than the bible, but thats not smut, if people think its true, than it is msut, get me?

it comes down to this>
NO DECENT BOOK THAT IS WORTH READING IS SMUT, HOWEVER, ANYTHING THAT CAUSES CONFLICT SHOULD BE SMUT.

so if people didn't believ it, it wouldn't be smut...

yeah but if you didn't beat off to it, would it still be porn? :)

[Ausinus]

Most porn is just bad erotic art with no value.

[theicidal maniac]

So by saying something is wrong, we're all of a sudden the ones controlling people? Are you on meth? Saying something is wrong is not controlling people if you leave it up to them to make the right decisions, and the missionaries are not preventing anyone from using condoms, just saying they're wrong.

Not if you create consequences for the "wrong" choices; then you ARE trying to change behavior. Consequences (like threats of eternal damnation) are an attempt to change behavior, condition, so YES, it is an attempt at control. The fact that you can't actually PRODUCE the consequences in REAL LIFE is why it can't work much longer.


And in addition to that, they are preaching abstinence, which if the niggers listened to that as well as the condom thing, AIDS still wouldn't be a problem.

Abstinence doesn't work, if you didn't notice. Your god isn't real good at laying down the law. Take preists for example. They TRY to abstain, then they get real horny, and fuck John Septem's boyish ass in the confessional, and when he grows up he still tries to justify their absolute bullshit. Your religion IS absolute bullshit. Of all the religions out there, it is THE MOST bullshit, and that's saying A LOT cause I live in UTAH, and there is some serious BULLSHIT being taught out here.


Let's see here. They are ignorant because:

They sleep around without using condoms, which is against what atheists and Catholics alike are telling them. Apparently they think that by combining the two solutions (namely, the atheist solution of sleeping around but use condoms, and the Catholic solution of abstaining and not using condoms), taking the easiest portions to follow from each of them, they've come up with an even better solution to AIDS (namely, sleeping around and not using condoms), even though that's the same thing they've done for the past thousand years and is what caused the problem of AIDS to begin with.

hmmm...and all the while they are being driven by the hormonal sequences that your GOD GAVE THEM??? Seems like he's the one you should be angry with. P.S., Genny, how did you get here? Your mom wasn't a good cowgirl; she couldn't keep her calves together. Everyone who is or ever was here is here as a result of fucking. Humans fuck, because they are mammals, because they are Animals...etc...etc...oh wait...you are abstinent...ok EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU GETS TO FUCK!


Due to my religious convictions? No, try more like due to my intense and passionate hatred toward the ideal that the truth cannot be spoken if it offends anyone.

and the truth that cannot be spoken is what?...YOUR RELIGION??? So your religious convictions, like I said. MAN I am really tearing you apart here, I ALMOST feel guilty.


When I use the word nigger, I am referring to any black person who is also a filthy, uneducated, lazy, and inconsiderate piece of shit...it makes it an observation of stereotypical behaviour .......... That doesn't make it a racial slur;

Genny, will you stand by this quote, cuz I believe that is the very DEFINITION of a racial slur. Do you have multiple personalities who are both writing simultaneously as a joke against eachother?


Note to self: add people who cry "LOLWTF RACIST" to the list of people that need to be curb stomped.

You'd have to leave your house and actually face a real person to do that. And to do it to me, you'd have to be a lot less of a fucking pussy. And I thought you christies were supposed to be loving!


Then you are implying that the suffering of humans (or the deliberate causing of such) is wrong, which is something that goes against your philosophy that right and wrong are subjective.

Wrong? NO. It happens. That is life. It's not wrong, it's a consequence of existence. Not just for humans but for EVERY LIVING THING. death and suffering happen. But we have evolved far past the other life on this rock, and should be able to recognize that if we can prevent suffering, we should. Suffering begets suffering. Suffering is a word used to describe an unpleasant and undesirable state, which means that it is not PLEASANT, which means that people don't like feeling that way. We are in a position to start to end suffering and we are subject to empathy so our biology compells us toward helping eachother. Our species' SPECIALIZATION is language, which helps us build communities and help ourselves and others. By nature we are good to eachother. But our religions teach that natural man is evil, and actually cause divides amongst us, and GREAT suffering.


If you think you're trapping me into a corner, perhaps you're right - I'm in the corner of the room with the door, and drawing a line on the floor you can never pass. In your arrogance and blind stupidity, your attempt to trap me into a corner has trapped yourself in the rest of the room.

hmmm...yes clearly......

...sorry there was something on my keyboard...i meant "yes clearly you have not been reading my posts then, cause I'm owning you right now."

[General Septem]

Not if you create consequences for the "wrong" choices; then you ARE trying to change behavior. Consequences (like threats of eternal damnation) are an attempt to change behavior, condition, so YES, it is an attempt at control. The fact that you can't actually PRODUCE the consequences in REAL LIFE is why it can't work much longer.

Hell is not a consequence; it is a choice.


Abstinence doesn't work, if you didn't notice. Your god isn't real good at laying down the law. Take preists for example. They TRY to abstain, then they get real horny, and fuck John Septem's boyish ass in the confessional, and when he grows up he still tries to justify their absolute bullshit. Your religion IS absolute bullshit. Of all the religions out there, it is THE MOST bullshit, and that's saying A LOT cause I live in UTAH, and there is some serious BULLSHIT being taught out here.

You're a complete fucking moron.


hmmm...and all the while they are being driven by the hormonal sequences that your GOD GAVE THEM??? Seems like he's the one you should be angry with. P.S., Genny, how did you get here? Your mom wasn't a good cowgirl; she couldn't keep her calves together. Everyone who is or ever was here is here as a result of fucking. Humans fuck, because they are mammals, because they are Animals...etc...etc...oh wait...you are abstinent...ok EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU GETS TO FUCK!

My mom happened to have been married to my dad when she had me, not because she slept around and doesn't know who the father is. There's a big difference there. I might as well say your mother is a skank for not using a condom. And after all, spreading STDs aside, she did have you.


and the truth that cannot be spoken is what?...

Truths such as:

There are differences between men and women. Physical and psychological.
There are differences between races. Obviously these differences don't apply to an entire race, and if I have to point that out you're a fucking moron.

The difference between being realistic and being an ignorant piece of shit bigot:

If you say it is a bad idea to walk in the ghetto at night, you are being realistic.
If you say the reason it's a bad idea to walk in the ghetto at night is because of the people that live there, you're an ignorant piece of shit bigot. Everyone knows the #1 cause of death and rape in the ghettos is horny telephone poles with big dicks.


Genny, will you stand by this quote, cuz I believe that is the very DEFINITION of a racial slur. Do you have multiple personalities who are both writing simultaneously as a joke against eachother?

Do you ever read my motherfucking posts or do you just sift through them for quotes you think you can hold against me? A lot was said in those "..." that you parsed.


You'd have to leave your house and actually face a real person to do that. And to do it to me, you'd have to be a lot less of a fucking pussy. And I thought you christies were supposed to be loving!

Don't talk to me about dealing with the public. I'm a cashier for a living. I deal with more assholes than a proctologist.


...sorry there was something on my keyboard...i meant "yes clearly you have not been reading my posts then, cause I'm owning you right now."

It's the "n00bs" that go around yelling "I AM KILL YU0 LOL". These are the same people that blame it on lag when they lose.

I'm finished with you. It's obvious by the way you respond to everything I say that you have no intention of having a debate so much as you're interested in coming in here, asking rhetorical questions you'll never accept the answers to, and telling everyone why you think they're wrong, usually resorting to yelling "I AM KILL YU0 LOL" and pejoratives when proven wrong.. That's not debating, that's being an attention whore.

[theicidal maniac]

Hell is not a consequence; it is a choice.

How is a noun a choice?


You're a complete fucking moron.

so by that you mean to say that you can't refute my statement? Like I said, "Abstinence doesn't work, if you didn't notice. Your god isn't real good at laying down the law. Take preists for example. They TRY to abstain, then they get real horny, and fuck John Septem's boyish ass in the confessional, and when he grows up he still tries to justify their absolute bullshit. Your religion IS absolute bullshit. Of all the religions out there, it is THE MOST bullshit, and that's saying A LOT cause I live in UTAH, and there is some serious BULLSHIT being taught out here. "


My mom happened to have been married to my dad when she had me, not because she slept around and doesn't know who the father is. There's a big difference there. I might as well say your mother is a skank for not using a condom. And after all, spreading STDs aside, she did have you.

I didn't say anything about sluttiness, I said fucking is necessary, and your refusal to engage doesn't change that.


There are differences between men and women. Physical and psychological.
There are differences between races. Obviously these differences don't apply to an entire race, and if I have to point that out you're a fucking moron.

Simply put, you are wrong. You are trying to draw a parallel where there is none. The difference is skin color..there is really no genetic difference between races other than heritable traits that technically we are all subject to.


If you say it is a bad idea to walk in the ghetto at night, you are being realistic.
If you say the reason it's a bad idea to walk in the ghetto at night is because of the people that live there, you're an ignorant piece of shit bigot. Everyone knows the #1 cause of death and rape in the ghettos is horny telephone poles with big dicks.

And in the suburbs it's crazy pedophile serial killing day traders (white folk)

And I've never parsed your quotes in a way that changed the meaning.




Don't talk to me about dealing with the public. I'm a cashier for a living.

I could've guessed that. Nice work. Wow, the endless experience you must have accumulated!! You really SHOULD write a book!


I'm finished with you. It's obvious by the way you respond to everything I say that you have no intention of having a debate so much as you're interested in coming in here, asking rhetorical questions you'll never accept the answers to, and telling everyone why you think they're wrong, usually resorting to yelling "I AM KILL YU0 LOL" and pejoratives when proven wrong.. That's not debating, that's being an attention whore.

When did I say I would kill you? Now you are making up quotes!? It was you who said you want to curb stomp and see politicians full of holes, and calling people niggers and complaining about being inconvenienced by homosexuals. Get a fuckin clue, you aren't the center of the universe, you're just a redneck idiot.

[Ausinus]

Simply put, you are wrong. You are trying to draw a parallel where there is none. The difference is skin color..there is really no genetic difference between races other than heritable traits that technically we are all subject to.

In addition, most of these percieved differences are phenotypical anyway.

[General Septem]

How is a noun a choice?

The same way it's a punishment. Perhaps I should say it's a natural consequence, not a mandated consequence. See, there's a difference; if you smoke weed, the natural consequence is that you get high. But the mandated consequence is that you go to jail.

Hell isn't a consequence period though. Nobody just ends up there, they choose to go there. Nobody chooses to go to jail, they get thrown in there. In fact, your observation that people get thrown in hell for doing things that don't hurt anyone actually applies more to most countries' judicial systems than hell.


so by that you mean to say that you can't refute my statement? Like I said, "Abstinence doesn't work, if you didn't notice. Your god isn't real good at laying down the law. Take preists for example. They TRY to abstain, then they get real horny, and fuck John Septem's boyish ass in the confessional, and when he grows up he still tries to justify their absolute bullshit. Your religion IS absolute bullshit. Of all the religions out there, it is THE MOST bullshit, and that's saying A LOT cause I live in UTAH, and there is some serious BULLSHIT being taught out here. "

Perhaps if you got rid of the "LOL PRIESTS FUCK BOYZ" and all the statements about "LOL ITZ BULLSHIT" I'd respond to whatever was left.


I didn't say anything about sluttiness, I said fucking is necessary, and your refusal to engage doesn't change that.

I never said fucking was wrong; I said sluttiness was causing the spread of AIDS in Africa.


Simply put, you are wrong. You are trying to draw a parallel where there is none. The difference is skin color..there is really no genetic difference between races other than heritable traits that technically we are all subject to.

Yes, genetically and physically they're the same. Behaviourally this is not the case. The ghettos are predominantly black, while the less poor sections of town are predominantly white. That said, trailer parks are predominantly white too. But does that make whites somehow better than blacks? No, it's just statistics. But if anyone dared to say such a hateful thing, he'd get locked up, even though it's just statistics that are observable just by driving around the city.


And in the suburbs it's crazy pedophile serial killing day traders (white folk)

See, here's the difference between racism and affirmative action. Both are the preferential treatment of one race over the other. The difference is that one is illegal and hateful, and the other is mandated by law.

I guess I should be a little less insensitive though. After all, I deserve it; my great grandpa called their great grandpas Negroes. The only problem with this is that "negro" was not a racial slur back then, I've never facilitated racism against anyone, and the actions of my great grandpa are not my responsibility. Oh, and one other small problem; my great grandpa was born in Italy and probably never saw a black person in his entire life.


And I've never parsed your quotes in a way that changed the meaning.

Really? Explain this little gem:


When I use the word nigger, I am referring to any black person who is also a filthy, uneducated, lazy, and inconsiderate piece of shit...it makes it an observation of stereotypical behaviour .......... That doesn't make it a racial slur;

I believe the government is hiring people with your skills. At the very least you could get a job writing a political campaign for a candidate in the next election.


When did I say I would kill you? Now you are making up quotes!? It was you who said you want to curb stomp and see politicians full of holes, and calling people niggers and complaining about being inconvenienced by homosexuals. Get a fuckin clue, you aren't the center of the universe, you're just a redneck idiot.

No, no, no. Have you ever played an online game like Counterstrike or BF2? I actually haven't all that much, but even I know about the culture. What I meant by "I AM KILL YU0 LOL" is when "n00bs" try and taunt their opponents by constantly saying they're the ones winning, even though they were just killed twenty times and each time didn't even have a chance to get a shot off in the direction of their opponent.

I don't just randomly call people niggers. I call niggers niggers. Every word has a place in the English language. No word should be 100% taboo because of perceived negative connotations; that's the basis of newspeak. Have you ever seen 1984? There's nothing wrong with the word nigger, it's the hate behind it that's wrong, and I have no hate for anyone.

And even if I did, that's my own business. Or are we executing people for thoughtcrimes now?

[theicidal maniac]

The same way it's a punishment. Perhaps I should say it's a natural consequence, not a mandated consequence.

Perhaps you should explain why, if it is a natural consequence, there is no natural evidence to suggest it's existence as a place or as a "natural consequence." That is only the case if you view hell solely as the mental condition of guilt, not an ACTUAL place. But then you would most likely be atheist like me, and you couldn't handle that.


Perhaps if you got rid of the "LOL PRIESTS FUCK BOYZ" and all the statements about "LOL ITZ BULLSHIT" I'd respond to whatever was left.

Yet you mostly respond to the points where i make naughty words... to MY ACTUAL POINTS your responses are naughty words.


I never said fucking was wrong; I said sluttiness was causing the spread of AIDS in Africa.

I know, but so does non-slutty sex, unfortunately. So does child birth, because HIV can be transmitted during birth. And does the bible not teach us to go forth and procreate? You can't just assume that AIDS is a punishment for sluts, cuz CHILDREN DIE FROM IT EVERY DAY!


Yes, genetically and physically they're the same. Behaviourally this is not the case. The ghettos are predominantly black, while the less poor sections of town are predominantly white. That said, trailer parks are predominantly white too. But does that make whites somehow better than blacks? No, it's just statistics.

Well, John, THAT'S MY POINT YOU ARE BORROWING THERE. If I recall your point was "black people are niggers."


See, here's the difference between racism and affirmative action. Both are the preferential treatment of one race over the other. The difference is that one is illegal and hateful, and the other is mandated by law.

Yeah, affirmative action kinda sucks sometimes, but it has made the workplace a better place...not that you'd have much experience with that in YOUR line of work.


I guess I should be a little less insensitive though. After all, I deserve it; my great grandpa called their great grandpas Negroes. The only problem with this is that "negro" was not a racial slur back then,

But you didn't say "negro" you said "nigger"


Really? Explain this little gem:

That didn't change the meaning at all.


No, no, no. Have you ever played an online game like Counterstrike or BF2? I actually haven't all that much, but even I know about the culture. What I meant by "I AM KILL YU0 LOL" is when "n00bs" try and taunt their opponents by constantly saying they're the ones winning, even though they were just killed twenty times and each time didn't even have a chance to get a shot off in the direction of their opponent.

Except that I really am kicking your ass


I don't just randomly call people niggers. I call niggers niggers. Every word has a place in the English language. No word should be 100% taboo because of perceived negative connotations; that's the basis of newspeak. Have you ever seen 1984? There's nothing wrong with the word nigger, it's the hate behind it that's wrong, and I have no hate for anyone. even if I did, that's my own business. Or are we executing people for thoughtcrimes now?

No. I've READ 1984. I'm not saying what you are or are not allowed to say anything. But the way you speak reveals a lot about you. I'm making observations, and I, in turn, am free to call you on being a racist dick. And you are allowed to keep being one as you get marginalized further and further. And you got LOTS of hate son...go back and read the stuff you yourself have posted

[General Septem]

Perhaps you should explain why, if it is a natural consequence, there is no natural evidence to suggest it's existence as a place or as a "natural consequence." That is only the case if you view hell solely as the mental condition of guilt, not an ACTUAL place. But then you would most likely be atheist like me, and you couldn't handle that.

In the physical sense, it's technically not an "actual place", it's a spiritual state. It's the condition of guilt and remorse among other things.


Yet you mostly respond to the points where i make naughty words... to MY ACTUAL POINTS your responses are naughty words.

I respond to what I feel merits response. I only call you a "fucking moron" if your posts consist entirely of profanity laden statements that this-or-that is "total bullshit".


I know, but so does non-slutty sex, unfortunately. So does child birth, because HIV can be transmitted during birth. And does the bible not teach us to go forth and procreate? You can't just assume that AIDS is a punishment for sluts, cuz CHILDREN DIE FROM IT EVERY DAY!

A punishment? Hardly. It's a natural consequence. Fuck someone who has AIDS and you'll probably get it yourself. No judge, no jury. You can't plead your case. It's just a natural consequence. It's so prevalent now that just having sex with someone in Africa can spread it, but it only got that way through years of indiscriminate leg-spreading.


Well, John, THAT'S MY POINT YOU ARE BORROWING THERE. If I recall your point was "black people are niggers."

I have never once said that in my entire life. Ever. In fact I even said "not all black people are niggers" and "I use the word nigger not to describe all black people, but just the lazy, inconsiderate, uneducated, and irresponsible ones". Motherfuck, if you'd read my fucking posts before saying shit like this, you wouldn't look so damn stupid all the time.


Yeah, affirmative action kinda sucks sometimes, but it has made the workplace a better place...not that you'd have much experience with that in YOUR line of work.

It makes the workplace a better place? How, because white people can't get jobs because the company needs more blacks? Because thousands of people lose jobs when companies are shut down for discrimination?

I actually have several black co-workers, and most of them are nice. A good deal of my black customers on the other hand are not. However, I'll give them this much: if I dealt with as many black people in one day as I deal with white people, I'm sure I'd come across as many nice blacks as nice whites. I just don't see many nice people period.


But you didn't say "negro" you said "nigger"

I was describing the history of affirmative action. I was being satirical by saying the only thing they did was call the blacks "negroes" because now it's considered a racial slur.


That didn't change the meaning at all.

Sure it did. Before you cut out 80% of my post, I had said "I don't use the word nigger to describe blacks but just the uneducated and lazy ones". You edited it so as to make it look like I said "all black people are niggers".


Except that I really am kicking your ass

The point is that if you were really kicking my ass, you wouldn't have to say it. Furthermore, the fact that you said it proves that winning is all you really care about, not having a debate.

I could say you've lost just by losing your temper a few times.


No. I've READ 1984. I'm not saying what you are or are not allowed to say anything. But the way you speak reveals a lot about you. I'm making observations, and I, in turn, am free to call you on being a racist dick. And you are allowed to keep being one as you get marginalized further and further. And you got LOTS of hate son...go back and read the stuff you yourself have posted

No, you read it. I have no hate for anyone.

[theicidal maniac]

In the physical sense, it's technically not an "actual place", it's a spiritual state. It's the condition of guilt and remorse among other things.

Finally, we agree on something; your religion is about imaginary stuff.


I respond to what I feel merits response. I only call you a "fucking moron" if your posts consist entirely of profanity laden statements that this-or-that is "total bullshit".

That's a lie...which I believe is a sin in your religion.


A punishment? Hardly. It's a natural consequence. Fuck someone who has AIDS and you'll probably get it yourself. No judge, no jury. You can't plead your case. It's just a natural consequence. It's so prevalent now that just having sex with someone in Africa can spread it, but it only got that way through years of indiscriminate leg-spreading.

That's my POINT, Genny. It's time to recognize that the problem is out of control...but we can try to regain control by allowing contraception, and not telling people that God will be pissed if they use it.


I have never once said that in my entire life. Ever. In fact I even said "not all black people are niggers" and "I use the word nigger not to describe all black people, but just the lazy, inconsiderate, uneducated, and irresponsible ones". Motherfuck, if you'd read my fucking posts before saying shit like this, you wouldn't look so damn stupid all the time.

You don't say it, but you type it? I doubt that very much. You are calling a group of people niggers. You did not include any white people in that group, you said ignorant people who are black. So basically, if they act white they aren't niggers? Am I reading you loud and clear here?


It makes the workplace a better place? How, because white people can't get jobs because the company needs more blacks? Because thousands of people lose jobs when companies are shut down for discrimination?

White people have no trouble getting jobs as a rule...and we are still WAY more likely to succeed, statistically speaking, within the workplace, but it is still a big improvement


Sure it did. Before you cut out 80% of my post, I had said "I don't use the word nigger to describe blacks but just the uneducated and lazy ones". You edited it so as to make it look like I said "all black people are niggers".

Well that certainly wasn't my intention, because that doesn't make a difference. The reason for my parsing was to show the contradictions within your drivel, I put the contradictory part at the end to illustrate the schism between your two claims, but the effect is only heightened, not synthesized. It's the same statement. If you disagree, then please, enlighten me with a restating of your position


The point is that if you were really kicking my ass, you wouldn't have to say it. Furthermore, the fact that you said it proves that winning is all you really care about, not having a debate.

Well that's one theory. I won't deny, I DO like to win. That's why I like debating with you...you make it easy. HA HA!


No, you read it. I have no hate for anyone.

keep telling yourself that, but the words you have previously spoken remain.

[ajk]

That's my POINT, Genny. It's time to recognize that the problem is out of control...but we can try to regain control by allowing contraception, and not telling people that God will be pissed if they use it.


The only way to get control of it is through abstienence. Contraception does not always work, abstinence does.

[MrBirdy]

The only way to get control of it is through abstienence. Contraception does not always work, abstinence does.

look, people who are gonna do it, are gonna do it, and most psycologists would a gree. Taboo makes it seem better, it is natural to have sex, so go ahead...
but atleast make it safe....

[Ausinus]

The only way to get control of it is through abstienence. Contraception does not always work, abstinence does.

Abstinence is the essence of vulgarity - Robert Ingersoll

Abstinence is impractical. Supressing sexual urges increases sexual tenson, which makes people more likely to do it. And if you have also taught that protection is wrong, then you get pregnancy and STDs.

[ajk]

Abstinence is impractical. Supressing sexual urges increases sexual tenson, which makes people more likely to do it. And if you have also taught that protection is wrong, then you get pregnancy and STDs.

It's not impractical at all. The only reason you think it's impracticial is because society says that. Besides as I said before the body releases that sexual tension on it's own anyway if you let it.

[Ausinus]

No studies have shown that there is corelation between wet dreams and sexual outlets. In fact, it is postulated that wet dreams are more of a way for the body to test the ejaculatory system rather than an auxiliary sexual outlet.

I dont see why the body would actually have a backup outlet, in nature any very strong sexual urges would be solved through coitus. If there were a no sexual alternative which did relieve tension, then that would defeat the purpose of sexual reproduction, which natural selection would have eliminated.

[theicidal maniac]

The only way to get control of it is through abstienence. Contraception does not always work, abstinence does.

abstinence stops life dead in it's tracks.

[ajk]

No studies have shown that there is corelation between wet dreams and sexual outlets. In fact, it is postulated that wet dreams are more of a way for the body to test the ejaculatory system rather than an auxiliary sexual outlet.


There doesn't need to be a study done for it to be true.

[Ausinus]

Once again, evolution would have eliminated this trait.

And studies need to be done, or else you have to take it on faith, which is mutually exclusive from truth.

[theicidal maniac]

There doesn't need to be a study done for it to be true.

No, there doesn't, but there does for you to make that claim

[ajk]

And studies need to be done, or else you have to take it on faith, which is mutually exclusive from truth.

Try going here: http://www.wetdreamforum.com/index.php?act=SF&f=2

Ask anyone there and they will tell you the same thing I am telling you.

[Ausinus]

Look you idiot. EVOLUTION WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED IT IN SEXUALLY REPRODUCING ORGANISMS IF IT COULD RELIEVE SEXUAL TENSION WITH ANY EFFICACY.

The reason we derive pleasure from sex is to have an incentive to do it. Sexual tension occurs so we become pressured to have sex. Any method of relief that is non procreative would have been eliminated by natural selection.

[ajk]

Look you idiot. EVOLUTION WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED IT IN SEXUALLY REPRODUCING ORGANISMS IF IT COULD RELIEVE SEXUAL TENSION WITH ANY EFFICACY.

The reason we derive pleasure from sex is to have an incentive to do it. Sexual tension occurs so we become pressured to have sex. Any method of relief that is non procreative would have been eliminated by natural selection.

Well then maybe you are wrong as I have always said. Because again if go there and ask, they will tell you what I have about this.

[Ausinus]

Its a far more logical theory than "the body relieves sexual tension on its own".

Why would we have sexual tension at all if we could eliminate it naturally? What purpose would it serve?

[theicidal maniac]

Well then maybe you are wrong as I have always said. Because again if go there and ask, they will tell you what I have about this.

No, he's right. You could go to that lame ass forum, OR you could attend some classes and learn the truth...ass

[ajk]

No, he's right. You could go to that lame ass forum, OR you could attend some classes and learn the truth...ass

The forum is better then classes in my estimation, because these are real people giving personal stories, that prove what I am saying to be right.

[ajk]

Its a far more logical theory than "the body relieves sexual tension on its own".

Why would we have sexual tension at all if we could eliminate it naturally? What purpose would it serve?

Maybe as a test from God? Who knows?

BTW again if you don't believe just ask around there as I said. I guarantee you you will get the same answer from them that you got from me.

Or if you're too stubborn in your ways to do that, try it for yourself. Abstain for a couple of weeks (meaning no sex, no masterbation), and see what happens to you.

[Ausinus]

Ok, have they found a conclusive link between the two? Have they taken into account things such as genetics, lifestyle, age, health, etc.?

Unless they are qualified physiologists, then I dont give a shit what they say.

[Ausinus]

Maybe as a test from God? Who knows?

There is no evidence to support the existence of god, there is however, evidence to support evolution and what it entails.


BTW again if you don't believe just ask around there as I said. I guarantee you you will get the same answer from them that you got from me.

I have posted my thesis, however unless they can provide scientific evidencecontrary then I shall continue to put my trust what I do now.


Or if you're too stubborn in your ways to do that, try it for yourself. Abstain for a couple of weeks (meaning no sex, no masterbation), and see what happens to you.

Pfft, been there, done that. I tried it when I was 14, surprise surprise, I was still sexually frustrated and no wet dreams.

[ajk]

It's probably because you were a little young then at the time. If you tried it now, the results may be different.

[Ausinus]

Contrary to your belief, I actually do have wet dreams. Even after I started having sex. So that pretty much contradicts your theory doesnt it?

[ajk]

Ok, but how often are they?

[Ausinus]

Not too often. Once in a while, occasionally even post coital.

[ajk]

Not too often. Once in a while, occasionally even post coital.

I would venture to say that if you weren't sexually active or what have you, you'd probably be having them more often then you do. I'm the same way, with the porn battle, I rarely have them too.

[Ausinus]

So then why do I still have them? It shows that it is not linked to sexual tension. So according to my testimony, and yours, YOU"RE WRONG.

But I wouldnt trust mine or your's, studies still need to be done.

[ajk]

So then why do I still have them? It shows that it is not linked to sexual tension. So according to my testimony, and yours, YOU"RE WRONG.

But I wouldnt trust mine or your's, studies still need to be done.

Does the term "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" mean anything to you?

[Ausinus]

Nope, never heard the term.

[ajk]

Nope, never heard the term.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not (I doubt it here though) but if you are being serious, it basically means that no matter what you do you will get lucky every once in a while. For instance take a really bad sports team (like the Detroit Lions for one). The team may stink, but every so often the team will manage to win a game somehow.

[Ausinus]

I fail to see how that is relevant.

[General Septem]

So then why do I still have them? It shows that it is not linked to sexual tension. So according to my testimony, and yours, YOU"RE WRONG.

But I wouldnt trust mine or your's, studies still need to be done.

Linked or not, it does release this "tension" in those who are abstinent.

[ajk]

I fail to see how that is relevant.

It's relevant because what I am saying is that even though you are sexually active, you're bound to have a wet dream (or nocturnal emission, whatever you want to call it), at some point.

[theicidal maniac]

Does the term "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" mean anything to you?

Ah, yes, but the blind squirrel finds far LESS nuts and expends more energy to find them. Thus he is a burden on his family, but the burden is short-lived as the exhausted squirrel soon exhausts his food supply, and dies young, before he is able to pass his bad genes into the next generation, and natural selection squeezes him out of the picture, reestablishing the splendor of the squirrel kingdom..

[theicidal maniac]

ya know, I'm thinking that if your religio teaches abstinence, that we are actually witnessing a selection event that will hopefully lead to an evolution in our species. See, those who are gullible enough to be taken in by a religion are told BY THE RELIGION to control breeding!! It's brilliant, it should effectively slow the reproduction of what I call the "dumb gene," within our gene pool, and hopefully religion will eliminate itself through these means! Wow, awesome!

[ajk]

ya know, I'm thinking that if your religio teaches abstinence, that we are actually witnessing a selection event that will hopefully lead to an evolution in our species. See, those who are gullible enough to be taken in by a religion are told BY THE RELIGION to control breeding!! It's brilliant, it should effectively slow the reproduction of what I call the "dumb gene," within our gene pool, and hopefully religion will eliminate itself through these means! Wow, awesome!

No this is only outside of marriage. Once married you should be open to life.

[theicidal maniac]

No this is only outside of marriage. Once married you should be open to life.

I know, that's the only problem, once you people marry the babies don't stop dropping out of you...but i figure if you wait until you are married to have kids then you are putting it off for a little while, so you get less breeding time, and the man should already be out of his prime...so, again, we can only hope that you people eventually weed yourselves out...;)

[who897]

I know, that's the only problem, once you people marry the babies don't stop dropping out of you...but i figure if you wait until you are married to have kids then you are putting it off for a little while, so you get less breeding time, and the man should already be out of his prime...so, again, we can only hope that you people eventually weed yourselves out...;)

One can only wish.

[ajk]

I know, that's the only problem, once you people marry the babies don't stop dropping out of you...but i figure if you wait until you are married to have kids then you are putting it off for a little while, so you get less breeding time, and the man should already be out of his prime...so, again, we can only hope that you people eventually weed yourselves out...;)

Still I know families that have had 8 kids or more.

[theicidal maniac]

Still I know families that have had 8 kids or more.

That's great...just what we need, terrorists for the year 2020.

[ajk]

That's great...just what we need, terrorists for the year 2020.

If there even is a year 2020, and from what I understand there might not be.

[theicidal maniac]

If there even is a year 2020, and from what I understand there might not be.

Right, because a bunch of religious zealots get so freaked out about their own prophecies that they start world war III...YOU PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THE YEAR 300!!! We don't need evolution to tell us we evolved from lower life forms...cuz some of you are still around!

[ajk]

Hey if you haven't noticed, what the bible states is beginning to come to pass. Don't believe me? Then check this out:
http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php

[Ausinus]

You dont actually believe this bullshit do you? Come off it, what makes it any more valid than the pre-christian eschatology?

Earthquakes, wars, famines etc have ALWAYS happened, it fact christians and many other religious people have been saying the end is nigh for the past two thousand years, but they have been wrong.

[theicidal maniac]

Hey if you haven't noticed, what the bible states is beginning to come to pass. Don't believe me? Then check this out:
http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php


The predictions it has made that came true are things like "there will be earthquakes, and a guy with a beard, and people shall adorn their bodies, and you people are like "HOW DID THEY KNOW THAT!?!" and everyone else is like "NO FUCKING SHIT THAT STUFF HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN AND IT HAS NEVER STOPPED"...it's NOT prediction, so it proves nothing. But, conversely, there are many MANY things that are predicted in the Bible that NEVER came to pass, and that DOES prove something; that you can't trust that stupid book. Also many of the things the bible claims have happened, like the flood, and the parting of the red seas etc NEVER HAPPENED and CANNOT HAPPEN. Scientists have disproven MOST of what the bible says, so that, also, proves something about the book; it's full of shit.

[Ausinus]

Its just another way to ensure control over the christian populace. Pick common, negative events and say these herald the coming of the end times, and then say its your last chance to repent, insodoing converting others to your faith. Its a form of marketing, similar to limited editions.

[ajk]

Fine believe what you want I don't care. Just know when God returns you'll have to answer for your denial.

[Ausinus]

Oh im so scared.

[ajk]

Trust me you will be, I guarantee.

[Ausinus]

How do you guarantee that?

[ajk]

Because I know the truth that you don't that's why. Or rather the truth that you deny.

[who897]

Hey Dick Licker, do you remeber something called the year 2000? Ohhh you religious ass pounders could have sworn that would be doomsday, armagedon, the end what ever the fuck yall wanna call it. In fact it was the end, of one of the best fucking decades to date, we definatly needed a kick ass one after the 80's. The world will not end prior to 2021, cuz I wont be able to retire till then and the USCG will not let the world end until that date.

Another thought for you religious snatchaphobe, by your "god" allowing the end of the world, the judgement day thingy again, "it" will be fucking with our free will to live our lives by imposing this great judgement thing on everyone all at once. It would never happen according to you all's stupid little beliefs, unless you really don't believe and are just being a cum stain.

[ajk]

It's going to happen, and this earth will be no longer. In fact he's coming because if he doesn't there will be none of us left. Before he does, a quarter of us will be wiped out.

[Ausinus]

And how do you know this?

[who897]

It's going to happen, and this earth will be no longer. In fact he's coming because if he doesn't there will be none of us left. Before he does, a quarter of us will be wiped out.


Read my post prior to this stupid little thing that you just said, and perhaps, understand that.....wait that's too much to ask of a simple minded fool.

[ajk]

Read my post prior to this stupid little thing that you just said, and perhaps, understand that.....wait that's too much to ask of a simple minded fool.

I did that read what you said. But it doesn't mean anything here. There will be an end time. Whether you believe that or not doesn't matter. There will be one.

[who897]

It doesn't matter what you believe because there wont be until the sun expands and envelopes the earth.

[Ausinus]

It doesn't matter what you believe because there wont be until the sun expands and envelopes the earth.

Well it depends if the sun runs out of hydrogen before that. :D

[who897]

Well it depends if the sun runs out of hydrogen before that. :D

I could have sworn in science class they said stars grow to red giants, then the dwarf stages, then supernova. Of course, shhhh, the religious folks might not believe the sun to be an actual star.

[Ausinus]

No, it only goes supernova it it has a certain amount of mass. Our star will simply expand and cool, then become a white dwarf once it runs out of hydrogen. Or something to that effect. :D

[who897]

No, it only goes supernova it it has a certain amount of mass. Our star will simply expand and cool, then become a white dwarf once it runs out of hydrogen. Or something to that effect. :D


Shhhh, you might scare the religious loonies.

[something]

Shhhh, you might scare the religious loonies.

They're probably more angry than scared.:D

[theicidal maniac]

hey man, you guys need to chill...are you tryin' to get suicide bombed? AJK is the type, you can bet.

[Ausinus]

You know I was just thinking that :D

[who897]

hey man, you guys need to chill...are you tryin' to get suicide bombed? AJK is the type, you can bet.

And don't you know your not supposed to give them any more stupid ideas...you know how well they follow stupid things.

[Ausinus]

Nah he probably already had it. Im sure the bible says 'thou shalt smite the unbelievers' somewhere in there.