Why Does People Even Care??

[Superslayer]

Allright, once for all now:

What Reasons Does People Have To Belive In God?????

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[Ausinus]

Religion is a form of escapism. It serves as a means to alleviate the pain and finality of our own mortality, and gives people the hope that despite the bad that goes on in the world, they will be rewarded after life.

Which of course, is ignorant and idealistic.

[MrBirdy]

Religion is a form of escapism. It serves as a means to alleviate the pain and finality of our own mortality, and gives people the hope that despite the bad that goes on in the world, they will be rewarded after life.

Which of course, is ignorant and idealistic.

Religion is an opiate, which, just like all other drugs IN MODERATION is good, but too much, and its nothing but bad...

[Superslayer]

Religion is an opiate, which, just like all other drugs IN MODERATION is good, but too much, and its nothing but bad...

That's probably it.

[General Septem]

Allright, once for all now:

What Reasons Does People Have To Belive In God?????

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First off, the Church is kind of like an extended family.

Second, based on what I know, I could never not believe in God. He has made Himself all too clear to me.

Atheists are way too uppity, and I don't want to become what I hate (the personality, not the people).

Religion, when properly applied, can better society.

I believe it to be the truth. Asking someone to abandon what they believe to be truth is totalitarian.

[Superslayer]

So why do you belive in god? Were you raised that way or have you been about a revelation?

[General Septem]

So why do you belive in god? Were you raised that way or have you been about a revelation?

Why do you believe the sky is blue?

[yea_thats_right1]

i love indirect answers...... hehee :D

[Superslayer]

Why do you believe the sky is blue?

I don't belive in tat the sky is blue. I see that the sky is blue, but i don't pray to the sky and think that sky did anything speciell, it's just the sky!

Human has always seen the sky as blue (Unless it's night, cloudy or you are colorblind), but they havent always belived in god, so it's not fair to see theese two things as the same thing.:mad:

[Superslayer]

i love indirect answers...... hehee :D

oh, please...

[yea_thats_right1]

oh please what? this shit is mildly funny...

[Ausinus]

I dont believe the sky is blue, because it isnt blue, it only appears blue as the blue part of the light from the sun is the most visible as the rest is being absored or refracted. Similarly, during the afternoon, the red, yellow and orange parts of the light are the most visible.

[Superslayer]

I dont believe the sky is blue, because it isnt blue, it only appears blue as the blue part of the light from the sun is the most visible as the rest is being absored or refracted. Similarly, during the afternoon, the red, yellow and orange parts of the light are the most visible.


Yeah, but... Allright the sky isn't blue but it is there, and it doesn't affect us any kind of way, and...eh...well WHO CARES???:mad:

[theicidal maniac]

First off, the Church is kind of like an extended family.

OR YOU COULD HAVE A REAL FAMILY, OR MAKE FRIENDS, so churches can not offer this exclusively.


Second, based on what I know, I could never not believe in God. He has made Himself all too clear to me.

You say based on what you KNOW, but if you KNOW something you do not have any use for FAITH...Knowledge is anathema to faith. Many people of other faiths would say the same. And all of those other faiths claim that they are the only TRUE faith, as yours does, so they are mutually exclusive, and no more than one of them can be right, yet there are hundreds, maybe thousands. So all a church can really offer here is uncertainty and speculation, which you can get anywhere. So again, not something christianity can offer with exclusivity.


Atheists are way too uppity, and I don't want to become what I hate (the personality, not the people).

Well, you CAN get intolerance from your religion, in fact, Genny's religion contains scriptural reference to destroying those who disagree with you, and agian, toher religions who believe differently have the same type of scriptural reference, and they are being driven towards wiping eachother out and taking the rest of us down with them. This idea that God has YOUR back, and hates all of YOUR enemies IS EXCLUSIVE TO RELIGION, and is of no good use to humans.


Religion, when properly applied, can better society.

When properly applied...well what can I say about this statement that isn't already evident when it is uttered. WHEN WILL IT BE PROPERLY APPLIED? WE'RE ALL WAITING! It hasn't bettered society yet, although I admit there is a high level of opinion in that statement. Suffice it to say that it can do AND HAS DONE much harm to society, and there are plenty of things out there that REALLY HAVE BEEN A BOON TO SOCIETY that do not have the same kind of deadly consequences.

So again, not something that any religion can provide exclusively, or efficiently for that matter.


I believe it to be the truth. Asking someone to abandon what they believe to be truth is totalitarian.

You can believe a great many things to be truth, but that does not make them true. FORCING someone to abandon what they believe to be truth is totalitarian, but asking them, for the betterment of all of humanity, to give up the intolerant, war-mongering, judgemental disease that is religious dependence is not only NOT totalitarian, but it is becoming increasingly necessary in this world. It was cute to believe that Zeus threw lightning bolts before we knew what REALLY caused them, but there came a time to let go. Now religion is causing serious grief and conflict in the world, we can, AND SHOULD, do without.

[Superslayer]

You can believe a great many things to be truth, but that does not make them true. FORCING someone to abandon what they believe to be truth is totalitarian, but asking them, for the betterment of all of humanity, to give up the intolerant, war-mongering, judgemental disease that is religious dependence is not only NOT totalitarian, but it is becoming increasingly necessary in this world. It was cute to believe thatZeuss threw lightning bolts before we knew what REALLY caused them, but there came a time to let go. Now religion is causing serious grief and conflict in the world, we can, AND SHOULD, do without.

Yes, ehm, I agree...

[Ausinus]

You know, if we use Sartre's analogy of life as a stage, you could say that religion is sort of like expecting a deus ex machina to happen.

[theicidal maniac]

You know, if we use Sartre's analogy of life as a stage, you could say that religion is sort of like expecting a deus ex machina to happen.

What does Jean-Paul say about stages? I haven't heard it.

[theicidal maniac]

Cristy...your new avatar is really dark, hard to see...do you have anything a little brighter...maybe at the beach...:D

[Ausinus]

What does Jean-Paul say about stages? I haven't heard it.

He said that life is a stage, and humans are "free to write their own scripts", but must accept the consequences of their actions as the drama unfolds.

[theicidal maniac]

He said that life is a stage, and humans are "free to write their own scripts", but must accept the consequences of their actions as the drama unfolds.

ahhh...Good ol' JP, so can we close this one out as a victory yet?

[Ausinus]

I should think so. I wont really consider it a victory until I get an answer though T_T

[yea_thats_right1]

Cristy...your new avatar is really dark, hard to see...do you have anything a little brighter...maybe at the beach...:D


ill see what i can do

[theicidal maniac]

ill see what i can do

Well it's no beach bunny shot but DAMN girl.....you look "smart";)

[yea_thats_right1]

thanks? and i AM smart :D lol

[yea_thats_right1]

here is something that is really irritating me.... this freakin thred is titled "why does people even care?" its "why do people even care" this sounds weird but its PISSING me off!!!!! lol.. damn...gotta love our educational system!

[theicidal maniac]

well I don't think our education reform is gonna reach Sweden, friggin swedes...learn our language Superslayer!! LOL

[Ausinus]

I dont know if he can. Americanese is really hard. :D

[ajk]

Now religion is causing serious grief and conflict in the world, we can, AND SHOULD, do without.

Religion isn't causing grief and conflict at all. Rather it's our lack of it that is causing all this.

[Ausinus]

Yeah, and I suppose the fact most of the world is religious proves that.

[theicidal maniac]

Yeah, and I suppose the fact most of the world is religious proves that.

You see Auis..what the problem is, apparently, is that every OTHER religion is wrong EXCEPT AJK's...THAT'S the problem. HIS is RIGHT. EVERYONE ELSE is mistaken, and unfortunately going to hell. We should join him and God b4 it's too late!

[who897]

You see Auis..what the problem is, apparently, is that every OTHER religion is wrong EXCEPT AJK's...THAT'S the problem. HIS is RIGHT. EVERYONE ELSE is mistaken, and unfortunately going to hell. We should join him and God b4 it's too late!

Or become homosexuals, because god actually loves gay folks.....why do you think you always see rainbows, they mean god is having gay sex.

[Superslayer]

well I don't think our education reform is gonna reach Sweden, friggin swedes...learn our language Superslayer!! LOL

Allright I am not best in english but you understand what I mean, right?

[General Septem]

Yeah, and I suppose the fact most of the world is religious proves that.

Not all religions preach love and peace, and of the ones that do, not everyone understands that.

[something]

Allright, name one religion that doesn't.

[theicidal maniac]

you can preach peace but theblood on your hands tells another story...and our religions are saoked in the shit

[General Septem]

Allright, name one religion that doesn't.

I can't think of one offhand, hence the second part of my post: of the ones that do, not everyone follows it. Hitler's "God" is not the same as my God, and I don't care what religion he considered himself.

[Ausinus]

Hmmm, lets see, named jehovah, created the world in seven days, sent his son down to earth to relieve us of our sins. Yep I think its the exact same god as you.

[General Septem]

Hmmm, lets see, named jehovah, created the world in seven days, sent his son down to earth to relieve us of our sins. Yep I think its the exact same god as you.

The discrepancy comes in here: the "god" Hitler worshiped approved of his genocide, which is something my God does not do. See, since God is a spiritual being, the "face" of God is different than what we think of as a face. So you may ask, "how do you know God is loving?" and the answer is, because the God I worship is loving. That's part of what makes Him God.

[Ausinus]

Ok then, the god you worship has no possibility of existing. Hitler's god has a far greater chance of existing.

[General Septem]

Ok then, the god you worship has no possibility of existing. Hitler's god has a far greater chance of existing.
No possibility of existing? The God I worship makes the world a better place.

[Ausinus]

If the god you worship was loving, then why does disease exist? Why does he let us do what we do? Free will, no, any loving parent would try to control their children especially if it could harm them.

[General Septem]

If the god you worship was loving, then why does disease exist? Why does he let us do what we do? Free will, no, any loving parent would try to control their children especially if it could harm them.

Any loving parent would exercise control? Are you insane?

God gave us free will because if we do the right thing, it doesn't mean shit if it wasn't our choice. You accuse the religious of being "robots", well that's exactly what you'd be if your idea of what a "loving" God was existed.

Why does disease exist? Because we live in an imperfect world. Instead of bitching about it, you could be showing some fucking compassion for these people and finding a way to make our weaknesses our strengths. Disease brings us closer to one another. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but not everything's a big fucking fairy tale. Just because God loves us doesn't mean we don't have to live in the real fucking world.

[Ausinus]

Ok, if you had a child and they were stabbing themself in the foot, wouldnt you confiscate the knife, or would you let them do it for the sake of free will?

"Omg honey, the kids are fighting, lets give them cholera to bring them together."

[General Septem]

Ok, if you had a child and they were stabbing themself in the foot, wouldnt you confiscate the knife, or would you let them do it for the sake of free will?

I would teach them the dangers associated with stabbing themselves in such a manner. But as long as they were responsible adults then it's their choice. I may not agree with it but I'm not going to get involved in every aspect of their life. I mean if it was a baby and didn't know what the fuck he was doing then I'd do something about it, but they haven't even reached the age of reason at that point. And it wouldn't be interfering with free will, it would just be exercising one's own free will to remove the knife from the baby's hand. It's impossible to interfere with free will.


"Omg honey, the kids are fighting, lets give them cholera to bring them together."

What makes you think God is the one who gives us diseases? Diseases just happen. I think God just kind of programmed the world (at least perhaps in the physical sense) and then let it go, to see what happens to it. Perhaps from God's standpoint, diseases just make it interesting. No doubt God feels pain by these diseases as much as we do. But what I do know is that it's God that helps us overcome these diseases, and that when we get together to try and cure these diseases, God is at the center of it. Not just watching, but participating, through our love and compassion.

God really can cure any disease. But sometimes we interpret that to mean He can cure them yesterday. Just because God can do it, He can do it yesterday. And perhaps He can, but what does that do for us? It might get rid of a problem, but what does it help? We're just back to square one, and that would make the diseases not only painful, but useless as well. Whereas the method God chooses not only cures the disease but touches our hearts and makes us better people for it.

[Ausinus]

Ok so you would just let them stab themselves as long as they were an adult?

How do you know god works through doctors in the first place?

And diseases bring us together. Hardly, there is a lot of stigma attached to many diseases.

COuldnt god just make disease disappear?