How STUPID can a person be!!!??

[freakazoid]

A few people in need of an education!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=player_embedded

(The only one who had any brains at all is the guy who said "make a big glass crater out of the fucking Middle East." http://www.bullshit.com/images/icons/icon14.gif)


Oh, yeah, this stupid...

http://shadowwar.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dumb-blonde.jpg

[mooreed2323]

I think the biggest problem is the Department of Education. We all know that every time the federal government gets involved, it is a case of diminishing returns.

[hitekredneck]

I think the biggest problem is the Department of Education. We all know that every time the federal government gets involved, it is a case of diminishing returns.
actually, parents need to take responsibility for their child's education, not the government. we rely entirely too much on the public school system to perform adequately in the basics like math, reading, and hard science while more and more the schools are more interested in teaching rhetorical dogma.

[mooreed2323]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with that wholehartedly, my point is that when the Dept of Ed starts with their "experts" and their rules, it tends to push the parents out of the way. What i think the Feds don't understand is that what works in New York city school system dosen't necessarly apply to Philippi, West Virginia.
Hell, we get the first day of deer season off up there!

[Patt]

Disband the Teacher's Union - that's the start. Holy Gawd, those people in that video need remedial current events. Makes you want to slap their parents, doesn't it?

[sunny]

AT least I am not THAT stupid.

[GolfWidow]

Wha???

I got at least two of those questions right (I'm sure of it).

[Patt]

AT least I am not THAT stupid.

BozABitch and Spinkie sure come to mind though, don't they? :)

[GolfWidow]

BozABitch and Spinkie sure come to mind though, don't they? :)

I bet they (as well as almost everyone in the video) can answer who was kicked off American Idol and Dancing with the Stars last week.

[seestraight]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with that wholehartedly, my point is that when the Dept of Ed starts with their "experts" and their rules, it tends to push the parents out of the way. What i think the Feds don't understand is that what works in New York city school system dosen't necessarly apply to Philippi, West Virginia.
Hell, we get the first day of deer season off up there!

The NYC school system works???? Who knew?

[beelzebub]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with that wholehartedly, my point is that when the Dept of Ed starts with their "experts" and their rules, it tends to push the parents out of the way. What i think the Feds don't understand is that what works in New York city school system dosen't necessarly apply to Philippi, West Virginia.
Hell, we get the first day of deer season off up there!

"Department of Education and their experts"? - Are you saying Federal or State or both?

From my experience... when parents don't have time to visit the schools, visit only in dire circumstances or don't visit at all it is telling of a major reason why schools are not doing well.

The advice my division (school improvement) provide schools are research driven and effectual regardless if students are shooting deer or observing Rosh Hashanah.

In other words.... I don't get your point.

[mooreed2323]

My point is that throwing money at the problem, the deminishing returns that i posted earlier, all the research, all the programs, are not working.

In 1980 the GDP (in billions, current dollars) was 2,788.1, we, the taxpayers, forked out 176,378,000 USD and in return we got a 14.1% drop-out rate

In 1991 the GDP (in billions, current dollars)was 5,992 , we the taxpayers, forked out 417,944,000 USD and in return we got a 12.5% drop-out rate

In 2008 the GDP (in billions, current dollars) was 14,441.4 , we, the taxpayers, forked out 1,093,000,000 and in rturn we got a drop out rate of 8%


now, i ask you, if we spent 6X more money on education but only got a return on our investment of less than 2x, do you consider that a job well done?

or would you agree that something different needs to be done before we waste even more money?

[AceTracer]

Makes you wonder how many Americans would pass a citizenship test.

[beelzebub]

My point is that throwing money at the problem, the deminishing returns that i posted earlier, all the research, all the programs, are not working.

In 1980 the GDP (in billions, current dollars) was 2,788.1, we, the taxpayers, forked out 176,378,000 USD and in return we got a 14.1% drop-out rate
In 1991 the GDP (in billions, current dollars)was 5,992 , we the taxpayers, forked out 417,944,000 USD and in return we got a 12.5% drop-out rate
In 2008 the GDP (in billions, current dollars) was 14,441.4 , we, the taxpayers, forked out and in rturn we got a drop out rate of 8%

now, i ask you, if we spent 6X more money on education but only got a return on our investment of less than 2x, do you consider that a job well done?

or would you agree that something different needs to be done before we waste even more money?

First off what I am about to say does not diminish your point as I agree with you to a point. Practices of the past have been very ineffective. I must also add I am not validating your data by responding as I have not checked your data I am just accepting it for now. It seems about right though.

You say we spent "6 times" the amount of money and went from 14.1% to 8% drop out rate. You realize you are talking about a program over 28 years! The value of a dollar has diminished significantly over that time. Inflation has occurred. Is that taken into consideration? .....So..... I went to this site:
http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp#calcresults
and found that the inflation rate was 171.31% from Jan 1980 to Jan 2008.

Given the facts above, I believe we have increased graduation rate as the program LOST money.

You say "job well done?" given the changing demographics and the hundreds of thousands of people impacted (and discounting for the point above).... I say, yes.

I ask you... what is the acceptable spending limit for new graduates? How much does it to combat low graduation rates in your "modest" assessment?

Furthermore, You do realize that the Graduation Rate in 2008 was 92%!?! Do you think graduation rates should be 100%? Should then 100% go to college?

[mooreed2323]

One of my co-workers just recently passed his citizenship test (his family were from South Vietnam),

I was embarassed at the questions that i missed, and i was a fairly good student in school.

[mooreed2323]

First off what I am about to say does not diminish your point as I agree with you to a point. Practices of the past have been very ineffective. I must also add I am not validating your data by responding as I have not checked your data I am just accepting it for now. It seems about right though.

You say we spent "6 times" the amount of money and went from 14.1% to 8% drop out rate. You realize you are talking about a program over 28 years! The value of a dollar has diminished significantly over that time. Inflation has occurred. Is that taken into consideration? .....So..... I went to this site:
http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp#calcresults
and found that the inflation rate was 171.31% from Jan 1980 to Jan 2008.

Given the facts above, I believe we have increased graduation rate as the program LOST money.

You say "job well done?" given the changing demographics and the hundreds of thousands of people impacted (and discounting for the point above).... I say, yes.

I ask you... what is the acceptable spending limit for new graduates? How much does it to combat low graduation rates in your "modest" assessment?

Furthermore, You do realize that the Graduation Rate in 2008 was 92%!?! Do you think graduation rates should be 100%? Should then 100% go to college?



The above numbers were already adjusted for inflation, (in billions, current dollars)

The info is from the US Dept of ED. website , facts and figures

and yes, a graduation rate of 92% is excelent, well an A- at least.

and no, not every one should go to college, some would just be taking up space, I know there were a few of them where I attended.

I think if you re-read the info above you have to agree, something just isn't right.