The Seven Myths of Gun Control

[freakazoid]

Did You Know That…

• Americans use guns in self-defense an estimated 760,000 to 3.6 million times
each year?

• In 98 percent of those cases, the criminal flees at
the mere sight of the gun?

• The criminal succeeds in taking the gun from his
intended victim in only one percent of those cases?

• Studies have shown that the more guns honest citizens own, the lower the
crime rate – with violent crime dropping about 4 percent for each 1 percent rise
in gun ownership?

• The most dramatic reductions in crime have occurred in states passing laws
that allow honest citizens to carry concealed weapons?

• You are far more likely to get mugged, raped, burglarized or shot in
America’s big cities today – where gun laws are strict – than on the old western
frontier, where virtually everyone carried a gun?

• During the frontier era, the combined murder rate in Dodge City, Abilene,
Ellsworth, Wichita, and Caldwell – all wide-open cattle towns – was less than
two murders per year for all five towns combined?

• Violent crime today is concentrated overwhelmingly among inner-city
minorities – with African-Americans committing murder at 8 times the rate of
whites?

• The rate of gun murders among white U.S. teenagers is roughly the same as
among teenagers in Canada?

• The most heavily armed nation in the world, per capita, is Switzerland?

• Switzerland also has one of the lowest crime rates in the world?

• England and Australia both experienced dramatic increases in violent crime
after confiscating guns from honest citizens?

• Australia and England were ranked the first and second worst countries in the
industrialized world – in that order – in terms of violent crime, according to the
February 2001 International Crime Victims Survey, released by Leiden
University in Holland?

• The United States did not even make the top 10 list of Leiden University’s
International Crime Victims Survey?

Of course you didn’t know these things. How could you?

A recent study by the Media Research Center shows that television
news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumber those opposing such
laws by a ratio of ten to one. When it comes to guns and gun laws, we
are hearing only one side of the story.


Myth 1: Guns Increase Violent Crime

Myth 2: Pulling a Gun on a Criminal Endangers You More Than the Criminal

Myth 3: Guns Pose a Special Threat to Children

Myth 4: The Second Amendment Applies Only to Militiamen

Myth 5: The Second Amendment is an Obsolete Relic of the Frontier Era

Myth 6: We Should Treat Guns the Same Way We Treat Cars, Requiring
Licenses for All Users

Myth 7: Reasonable Gun Control Measures Are No Threat to Law-Abiding
Gun-Owners

Epilogue: The End of Manhood

To hear the other side, read The Seven Myths of Gun Control by
Richard Poe.

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That do make sense.

However, let's say you are a raper, and all womens in America get offered to have a gun. Half of them, randomly, says no. So when the reaper man sees a women in the middle of the night, and he knows it's 50% chance that she has a gun, what would you do if you were him?

[Ausinus]

Some points

1) Ever since Australia banned firearms, there has been a drop in the rate of violent crime. If there was any increase, it is due to lack of officers on the police forces.
2)We do need to require licenses to gun ownership. A person has to be proved to be psychologically stable and not at risk of injuring others by purchasing the gun.
3)Socioeconomic status has more to do with the rate of crimes perpetrated by african americans. Perhaps you heard the statistic that african americans were 8 times more likely to commit crime.
4) You have about 4 times the crime than the UK, and far more violent crime.
5)The second amendment may or may not apply to militamen, its all about constitutional interpretation.
6)It sounds like Leiden's survey isnt based on facts, you have the most crime in the industrialised world by far, with germany, the runner up, having only a quarter of the crime you do.
7)You are drawing fallacious connections. I could just as easily point out the dramatic drop in niolent crime since the internet came out.
8)Of course, because there are more people of lower socioeconomic status in urbanised areas than there were in the frontier.

[General Septem]

That do make sense.

However, let's say you are a raper, and all womens in America get offered to have a gun. Half of them, randomly, says no. So when the reaper man sees a women in the middle of the night, and he knows it's 50% chance that she has a gun, what would you do if you were him?

Since most rapists end up raping more than one woman, chances are he's already on bought time if 50% of all women had guns. However, he might be able to tell if she had a gun by the way she was walking or by her body language if she was the type that would give trouble. So that's all the more reason for a woman to carry a gun.

[Ape-Shit]

[QUOTE=Ausinus]Some points

1) Ever since Australia banned firearms, there has been a drop in the rate of violent crime.]
That had nothing to do with the crime rate. A criminal will get his hands on a weapon wether it is legal or illegal.

2)We do need to require licenses to gun ownership. Quote]
That' Bull-Shit...! A back ground investigation from your local law enforcement department will furnish all the necessary information to the gun dealer prior to your purchase of a firearm. Licenses is regulation, regulation is government and who in the Hell WANTS ANY MORE OF THAT?

3)Socioeconomic status has more to do with the rate of crimes perpetrated by african americans. Quote].
Lot of Blacks are lazy, Lot of Blacks are on Drugs and do Stupid Things. The majority come from a deversified background which consist of a strugle just to exist. Although, its easy to cry "RACE" a little more effort towards learning could go a long way.

4) You have about 4 times the crime than the UK, Quote]
Hey, how about compare apples with apples. Look at the crime rate vs population. The US is more than 10 times the size of the UK.

Thats enough for now. I don't want to waste any more of my time.

[theicidal maniac]

[QUOTE=Ausinus]Some points

1) Ever since Australia banned firearms, there has been a drop in the rate of violent crime.]
That had nothing to do with the crime rate. A criminal will get his hands on a weapon wether it is legal or illegal.

2)We do need to require licenses to gun ownership. Quote]
That' Bull-Shit...! A back ground investigation from your local law enforcement department will furnish all the necessary information to the gun dealer prior to your purchase of a firearm. Licenses is regulation, regulation is government and who in the Hell WANTS ANY MORE OF THAT?

3)Socioeconomic status has more to do with the rate of crimes perpetrated by african americans. Quote].
Lot of Blacks are lazy, Lot of Blacks are on Drugs and do Stupid Things. The majority come from a deversified background which consist of a strugle just to exist. Although, its easy to cry "RACE" a little more effort towards learning could go a long way.

4) You have about 4 times the crime than the UK, Quote]
Hey, how about compare apples with apples. Look at the crime rate vs population. The US is more than 10 times the size of the UK.

Thats enough for now. I don't want to waste any more of my time.

That background check shit is ineffective...If you are buying a gun to commit a crime, you aren't buying it from a gunshop...you are buying it on the black market. That is WHY WE NEED TO LICENSE GUN OWNERS...that way if someone is caught with a gun, and NO license for it, it can be confiscated. I don't think that gun control laws are necessarily related to crime rates, it doesn't seem to add up from country to country, but THIS country needs to seriously reconsider it's attitude toward weaponry. Weapons are for killing. We don't need everyone to have those kinds of tools. We need people to demonstrate an ability to understand and control a firearm, cuz, let's face it, we'll never actually get RID of them, but AT LEAST license people for responsibility's sake!

[Ape-Shit]

[quote=theicidal maniac][quote=Ape-Shit]

That background check shit is ineffective..Quote] Says You...and You are Wrong...! The background check is a very effective way to know if the receiver of the weapon is a capable person.

.[Quote If you are buying a gun to commit a crime, you aren't buying it from a gunshop...you are buying it on the black market.Quote]

True...and most people who go to Gun Shops and purchase guns legally don't rob people or commit crimes with their weapons.

[Quote That is WHY WE NEED TO LICENSE GUN OWNERS...that way if someone is caught with a gun, and NO license for it, it can be confiscated. I don't think that gun control laws are necessarily related to crime rates, it doesn't seem to add up from country to country, but THIS country needs to seriously reconsider it's attitude toward weaponry. Quote]

Dugh...! What a Moron. A person who has a weapon legally isn't someone to get "caught with a gun". A person who commits a Crime with a weapon will have it confiscated and also face the circumstances. Quite frankly, I don't give a Shit what you think.

[Quote Weapons are for killing. Quote]
and self protection. Remember, Guns don't kill people....people kill people.

[Quote We don't need everyone to have those kinds of tools. We need people to demonstrate an ability to understand and control a firearm, cuz, let's face it, we'll never actually get RID of them, but AT LEAST license people for responsibility's sake![quote]

You got a mouse in your pocket? We we we. Yes, and the background check does exactly that. It demonstrates the ability of an individual through his past preformances, competency and records.

Again, Licensing people to possess a gun is another form of Government. It does nothing to stop a criminal from getting his hands on a weapon. What's next....? Perhaps we (we we we) should have to get a license to operate a lawnmower...? Or..Oh My God...! How 'bout a License to operate a Chain Saw....? Oh, Oh..and What about knifes and razon blades. Oh My....!

A responce to this reply is not necessary. I don't intend to waste any more of my time on this subject with idiots.:p

[theicidal maniac]

Says You...and You are Wrong...! The background check is a very effective way to know if the receiver of the weapon is a capable person.

Capable as in "has no criminal record" but it makes no judgement of character or ability, and again, the people with criminal records will get their guns elsewhere. So YOU are wrong, and my point stands


True...and most people who go to Gun Shops and purchase guns legally don't rob people or commit crimes with their weapons.

But they should still have to register their deadly weapons, and be licensed to have them. If they fail to keep their gun in their own control or if they use it illegally they have demonstrated that they do not deserve to have a deadly weapon.


Dugh...! What a Moron. A person who has a weapon legally isn't someone to get "caught with a gun".

That's an interesting way to lie....people DO get caught with illegal weapons. People who live by the gun will always try to have a gun, legally or otherwise. But there are already enough guns for everyone in America to own one. Do we really need to be producing MORE? Gun manufacturers should be held responsible for the deaths their products cause.


A person who commits a Crime with a weapon will have it confiscated and also face the circumstances.

Wait, wait, wait. Now all of a sudden you are switching to argue MY point? It sounded before like you didn't even want us to be ABLE to confiscate the gun or provide penalties for misuse, but NOW you are saying that this will happen as if it's a good thing? make up your mind man.


Quite frankly, I don't give a Shit what you think.

That's obvious. I mean except for the time you spent to respond to my every sentence.




and self protection. Remember, Guns don't kill people....people kill people.

Yes, and quite often they do it with guns. But there are plenty of OTHER things humans can kill eachother with, right? So why am I picking on GUNS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A VERY LIMITED SET OF FUNCTIONS; KILLING & INTIMIDATION. These things should have no part in a peaceful society, which is what we SHOULD be striving for.


You got a mouse in your pocket? We we we. Yes, and the background check does exactly that. It demonstrates the ability of an individual through his past preformances, competency and records.

Basically just his records, to tell the truth. And the thing about a BACKGROUND check is that it can not account for the FOREGROUND; that is, it doesn't take the future into consideration.


Again, Licensing people to possess a gun is another form of Government. It does nothing to stop a criminal from getting his hands on a weapon. What's next....? Perhaps we (we we we) should have to get a license to operate a lawnmower...? Or..Oh My God...! How 'bout a License to operate a Chain Saw....? Oh, Oh..and What about knifes and razon blades. Oh My....!

None of those things are valid examples. They are all tools to make so part of our lives more pleasant or easier. Guns only exist to kill. That's VERY different.


A responce to this reply is not necessary. I don't intend to waste any more of my time on this subject with idiots.:p


If a response is not necesarry then I assume you are talking to yourself, in which case I would applaud your resolution to stop talking to idiots. Any other interpretation of this statement would have you labeled as a coward.

[hitekredneck]

first, i''m new to these boards, but not to the discussion of gun control. the second amendment wasn't only for self defense, it was to guarantee the ability to ensure against tyrannical rule after the revolution. self defense was actually a secondary option at the time. second, firearms are not only for defense. i happen to be an avid hunter. i own several firearms and plan on purchasing many more to add to my collection. i have had cases in point where having a gun in hand defused situations that could have gotten out of control, and never fired a shot. i'm a firm believer in the background checks and don't mind the delay while it's done. i don't, however, believe that we need anymore laws, just better enforcement of the ones we have. my children are receiving training in the safe handling of firearms, and i trust them fully to act accordingly when handling firearms. if you don't like guns, don't get them. do not try to take mine!

[Ausinus]

Do you hunt for sport or for food?

If its for sport FUCK YOU. If not then nevermind.

[General Septem]

Do you hunt for sport or for food?

If its for sport FUCK YOU. If not then nevermind.

And how the hell is it your business? Just for that I'm going to go out shoot twenty baby deer just to put their antlers on my wall. (this is sarcasm. I know baby deer do not have antlers.)

[hitekredneck]

And how the hell is it your business? Just for that I'm going to go out shoot twenty baby deer just to put their antlers on my wall. (this is sarcasm. I know baby deer do not have antlers.)
lmfaooo...that is really funny!:D

[General Septem]

lmfaooo...that is really funny!:D

We try. :D Where are you from?

[hitekredneck]

just a redneck from colorado...and a truck driver to boot...lmao

[Ausinus]

Truck drivers.

[hitekredneck]

Truck drivers.
you got something against truck drivers?..would dearly love to do a land train like over there...

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So what? You can call go fishing for hunting if it is killing the animals part that you don't like.