fuck the pope

[ross campbell]

the pope is a bastard:mad: if he is sourounded in fuckin bullet proof glass and he is scared of dying what fuckin chance have we got:confused:

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the pope is a bastard:mad: if he is sourounded in fuckin bullet proof glass and he is scared of dying what fuckin chance have we got:confused:

I agree, we don't need the pope, but this thread should be ón the religion forum.

[Ausinus]

The popes are a bunch of schismatics bullshitters. I dont like any of them.

[General Septem]

Never ceases to amaze me the things people will say purely because they hate something.

Oh, that's a symbol of religion, let's all hate it!

They need a middle finger emoticon.

[Ausinus]

No I dislike them because they wont let women be ordained and they also speak out against contraception. Except perhaps this new pope may allow contraception.

[General Septem]

No I dislike them because they wont let women be ordained

What do you care? The office means nothing to you anyway. I've already explained to you why women cannot be priests, and the only reason is because women cannot symbolize Christ as the bridegroom of the Church.

This is very important because a Sacrament symbolizes what it does and does what it symbolizes. It has nothing to do with Jesus's disciples being male. In fact Jesus can be said to have had female disciples too, since technically a disciple is a follower of someone.

Can women symbolize Christ as loving? Of course. Can women symbolize Christ as a preacher? Obviously. Can they symbolize Christ as the bridegroom of the Church? They cannot. Does this make them inferior to men? Of course not.

Feminists should be trying to raise the respect and awareness of women's femininity, not be more like men. That defeats the purpose, it's like they're agreeing with the assholes that women are inferior, but they can be men to compensate.


and they also speak out against contraception. Except perhaps this new pope may allow contraception.

And again, why should you care? Stop trying to tell us how to govern our beliefs, you imperialist fuck.

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And again, why should you care? Stop trying to tell us how to govern our beliefs, you imperialist fuck.

That's is what christianity does last time I checked...

[General Septem]

That's is what christianity does last time I checked...

No, it doesn't. We choose to believe, they don't make us.

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No, it doesn't. We choose to believe, they don't make us.

They maybe not make people to belive, but they tell them that they're religion is the right one. The choice is still the peoples, but theese people are mostly less educated then you or me, so it's a choice, but it's dangerously close to make.

[theicidal maniac]

No, it doesn't. We choose to believe, they don't make us.

If you wanna call being force-fed the shit from before you can talk, then being raised in an environment where you are EXPECTED to believe, and where people talk about the sit to you AS IF IT WERE TRUE your whole life...and then you get to "CHOOSE"...doesn't seem so much like choice. I mean you'll probably say we do the same thing with Math or Evolution but those are scientifically verifiable aspects of the universe, the elements of religion are NOT (by definition of the word "faith") When you raise a kid in a fantasy world they tend to have a hard time letting go...

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But a lot of people do choose to belive. My aunt for example, didn't have religus parents, but she become christian when she grow up.

[theicidal maniac]

But a lot of people do choose to belive. My aunt for example, didn't have religus parents, but she become christian when she grow up.

Probably after someone close to her died. Anyway, you may tell me that her parents weren't religious, but what does that mean, really? They may still have believed in Bible stories, or even that Jesus was the son of God or some other baloney like that. They may have believed in an afterlife of some sort or an intelligent creator, and just because they don't have a copy of a "Holy Book" or attend services, people will say that they aren't religious, which is incorrect. If you believe in things that cannot be supported by evidence, you are irrational and most likely religious, at the very least you are superstitious.

But even if her parents were HARDCORE Atheists, I can still guarantee that at some point in her youth she was exposed to some Christians who told her that she MUST believe in Jesus, or some Muslims that told her that her soul is in peril if she does not accept Allah, or some other such nonsense. A belief in Jesus as a Christ is not a conclusion that ANY human can come to by making empirical observations of the natural world.

[something]

Probably after someone close to her died. Anyway, you may tell me that her parents weren't religious, but what does that mean, really? They may still have believed in Bible stories, or even that Jesus was the son of God or some other baloney like that. They may have believed in an afterlife of some sort or an intelligent creator, and just because they don't have a copy of a "Holy Book" or attend services, people will say that they aren't religious, which is incorrect. If you believe in things that cannot be supported by evidence, you are irrational and most likely religious, at the very least you are superstitious.

But even if her parents were HARDCORE Atheists, I can still guarantee that at some point in her youth she was exposed to some Christians who told her that she MUST believe in Jesus, or some Muslims that told her that her soul is in peril if she does not accept Allah, or some other such nonsense. A belief in Jesus as a Christ is not a conclusion that ANY human can come to by making empirical observations of the natural world.

You're right. Her parents weren't really hardcore atheists, and you can't just become christian without some one telling you about it.

[ajk]

A belief in Jesus as a Christ is not a conclusion that ANY human can come to by making empirical observations of the natural world.

I don't know if that's quite true. At mass on Sunday, the Deacon mentioned being in Kentucky not too long ago (he had become a grandfather again to a little girl), and one day while he was down there, he walked into the house and saw his son in law laying on a chair with his new baby daughter laying on his chest. The son in law looked up at him and said: "How can anyone not believe in a God, when you have creations such as this? (referring to the baby) Now this was coming from a guy who growing up had no faith background whatsoever. Rather he had been studying and looking into this on his own.

[theicidal maniac]

I don't know if that's quite true. At mass on Sunday, the Deacon mentioned being in Kentucky not too long ago (he had become a grandfather again to a little girl), and one day while he was down there, he walked into the house and saw his son in law laying on a chair with his new baby daughter laying on his chest. The son in law looked up at him and said: "How can anyone not believe in a God, when you have creations such as this? (referring to the baby) Now this was coming from a guy who growing up had no faith background whatsoever. Rather he had been studying and looking into this on his own.

So you're saying that some tribesman from the Amazon who has NEVER in his life heard of Jesus or Christianity, and who believes in Tree Gods and shit, can go look at this child and spontaneously his mind will be filled with the idea that there is only one God, and that God had a son with a virgin woman and his name is Jesus and he died for everyone's sins? You are trying to say that this is a possible conclusion that you can come to based on a child's face? That is completely delusional. And if you think that, then why didn't you provide any supporting evidence? Why is it that the only cultures and people who celebrate Christianity are the cultures and people who have ALREADY been exposed to the idea?

Man you are about as bright as a black hole.

[ajk]

Hey this proves it is possible. A child can do wonderous things for a person, as is evidenced here.

[theicidal maniac]

Hey this proves it is possible. A child can do wonderous things for a person, as is evidenced here.
Proves? What the FUCK did you just say? Proves? Do you believe every word that you hear about god stuff? You are one seriously gullible fuck...tell you what, since you like religion so much, and I'm here in Utah, I'll sell you the SLC Mormon Temple for $300...send me a check....

Again, the question was...
So you're saying that some tribesman from the Amazon who has NEVER in his life heard of Jesus or Christianity, and who believes in Tree Gods and shit, can go look at this child and spontaneously his mind will be filled with the idea that there is only one God, and that God had a son with a virgin woman and his name is Jesus and he died for everyone's sins? You are trying to say that this is a possible conclusion that you can come to based on a child's face?

Everyone ELSE in the world would realize that this is a completely delusional point of view, and not a conclusion that a rational human being can reasonably come to. But not our AJK. NOPE! He's Keepin it real with that nigga J.C. So how come if I say I look into a child's face, and it proves to me that there is no God...you don't believe that. It's the same claim. It's complete opinion and it isn't PROOF of ANYTHING. But when it "the light of christ or some bullshit" then all the sudden it makes sense to you??? what is wrong with you? Did you eat paint chips when you were growing up? Are your parents brother and sister?

[ajk]

I happen to know this Deacon personally and he is a very nice and truthful man. In fact he said that through this experience it invigorated him to keep fighting for the unborn (he goes and prays in front of abortion clinics from time to time, and counsels as well).

[theicidal maniac]

I happen to know this Deacon personally and he is a very nice and truthful man. In fact he said that through this experience it invigorated him to keep fighting for the unborn (he goes and prays in front of abortion clinics from time to time, and counsels as well).

UM...I know people who have SEEN AND HEARD their wall talk to them. The human mind is amazing at creating fake realities. When you dream, that's what's happening. The brain is perfectly designed to see order and purpose where there is none. I know people who are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that aliens are stealing their brainwaves at night. They are as convinced as you are about your religion. But that doesn't mean they are right. It's only true if it can be proved, if it is consistent across ALL circumstances.

[ajk]

This wasn't a dream you dummy, he was there in Kentucky when this happened.

[theicidal maniac]

This wasn't a dream you dummy, he was there in Kentucky when this happened.


You're missing the point dum-dum. The brain invents things. That's what it does. The people who think they are subject to extra-terrestrial thievery ARE AWAKE when this is supposedly happening. There's this book by Simon Winchester, great book, called "The Professor and the Madman; the Making of the Oxford English Dictionary" The main character of the story is SO convinced that "The Irish" are sneaking into his room and taking advantage of him at night and "making a pimp of me" that he CUTS OFF HIS OWN PENIS to stop them. It's a true story about a mental patient in England who helped write the Oxford dictionary...he was a genius AND a surgeon, but he was crazy. Like your friend.

[ajk]

No you are missing the point. This really happened! He was down there because his granddaughter was being born (going back in fact for the baptism), this was no dream.

[Ausinus]

I happen to know this Deacon personally and he is a very nice and truthful man. In fact he said that through this experience it invigorated him to keep fighting for the unborn (he goes and prays in front of abortion clinics from time to time, and counsels as well).

Tell him hes a fucker, and I hope he gets run over by a bus.

[theicidal maniac]

No you are missing the point. This really happened! He was down there because his granddaughter was being born (going back in fact for the baptism), this was no dream.

I didn't say it was a dream ya jerk-off. It's a delsuion, Jesus CHrist! Are you a five-year-old? Isn't it your bed time, young man?

The fact is, you DON'T KNOW he's telling the truth, and even if HE believes he is, it doesn't MAKE it true. You need to have your thinker looked at, friend.

[Ausinus]

No you are missing the point. This really happened! He was down there because his granddaughter was being born (going back in fact for the baptism), this was no dream.

The point still remains. A belief in Jesus Christ cannot be fabricated from observations of empirical data. A person in the Amazon, who has had no contact with civilisation and doesnt know anything about Jesus, will not spontaneously come to the conclusion that Jesus exists and is the messiah.

[ajk]

It was not a delusion, I can assure you of this. Hell you can even ask the Deacon himself and he'd tell the exact same thing I'm telling you now.

[ajk]

The fact is, you DON'T KNOW he's telling the truth, and even if HE believes he is, it doesn't MAKE it true. You need to have your thinker looked at, friend.

I think you're grasping at straws, trying to poke holes in my argument when you know deep down there isn't any.

[Ausinus]

It was not a delusion, I can assure you of this. Hell you can even ask the Deacon himself and he'd tell the exact same thing I'm telling you now.

We dont care about the deacon, an person CANNOT spontaneously arrive at the conclusion that Jesus exists WITHOUT external influence.

[theicidal maniac]

It was not a delusion, I can assure you of this. Hell you can even ask the Deacon himself and he'd tell the exact same thing I'm telling you now.

Uhhhhhh....are you serious? Is the Deacon a fountain of truth? Is he incapable of perhaps being biased? You know, people with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder become fixated on a number, usually 3 or 7. EVERYWHERE they go, everything they look at they see order in the form of the quantity seven. The brain INVENTS this order, because it spends ALL DAY THINKING about 7, it LOOKS for it, so it sees it.

I am an atheist. Nearly everything that you can say is "proof of God" to you, I can also say is "proof that there is no God" to me. I can do this because it isn't PROOF at all, but opinion. If I say Water is a liquid, and you say Water is NOT a liquid, we can prove that I am right and you are wrong, but if I say "I see the devil in my cheerios" that is not proof that the devil is in my cheerios.

If the Deacon had said "Poseidon" or "Zuess" or "Allah" instead of "God" would you still have believed him?

[Ausinus]

I have proof the Pope is EVIL :eek:

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/a/a1/40782459_pope_body_ap.....jpg

The Pope communicates with his Dark Master Sauron.;)

[ajk]

If the Deacon had said "Poseidon" or "Zuess" or "Allah" instead of "God" would you still have believed him?

No because I know there is just one God, for whom we shall not put forth any other false Gods. As for the Deacon there would be nothing he would get out of lying or deceiving people and making up stories, in the long run of things.

[Ausinus]

No because I know there is just one God, for whom we shall not put forth any other false Gods.

Note that the first commandment advises against worshipping other gods. This does not necessarily mean that the other gods are nonexistent.


As for the Deacon there would be nothing he would get out of lying or deceiving people and making up stories, in the long run of things.

You just described Christianity perfectly.

[theicidal maniac]

Note that the first commandment advises against worshipping other gods. This does not necessarily mean that the other gods are nonexistent.


Indeed. In fact that commandment appears BECAUSE they believed in other Gods. But Yahweh was jealous.


You just described Christianity perfectly.

Word, bro.

[beelzebub]

No...
I voted no. I don't think the Pope is a bastard. He is the leader of a religious occult that has beguiled himself into believing a fantasy.

[Ape-Shit]

This thread doesn't deserve an answer let alone a vote.

[freakazoid]

No...
I voted no. I don't think the Pope is a bastard. He is the leader of a religious occult that has beguiled himself into believing a fantasy.

We all believe in some fantasies. Are you saying you don't? Personally, I believe in Santa's Elves...if you don't, you can fuck off. :D

[freakazoid]

I have proof the Pope is EVIL :eek:

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/a/a1/40782459_pope_body_ap.....jpg

The Pope communicates with his Dark Master Sauron.;)

Nah, looks more like he is listening to Mephistopheles (http://www.mephistopheles666.com/) on his iPod. :D But what the hell do I know, I'm a friggin' Protestant.

[theicidal maniac]

We all believe in some fantasies. Are you saying you don't? Personally, I believe in Santa's Elves...if you don't, you can fuck off. :D

Santa, while I loved the man dearly in my youth, can not be supported by empirical evidence. Presumably he is "beyond our realm" much like the flying spaghetti monster or Jesus or Poseidon, or David Copperfield.

Fortunately Santa didn't write a book commanding you to destroy all the infidels who worship St. Nick instead of Santa Claus.

I dunno, I'm sure Dungeons and Dragons is fun and all, but the time for fantasies kind of passes when you pass 5th grade, with uncontrollable erections that occur during Geometry class.

[who897]

We all believe in some fantasies. Are you saying you don't? Personally, I believe in Santa's Elves...if you don't, you can fuck off. :D

My fantasies usually revolve around someone of the opposite sex and some very dirty dirty actions. At least my fantasies have better then 1 in a million chance at becoming truth :D

[theicidal maniac]

My fantasies usually revolve around someone of the opposite sex and some very dirty dirty actions. At least my fantasies have better then 1 in a million chance at becoming truth :D

Good point! If you are in Alaska I'm sure you're getting tons of pelt! Being white in AK gets you laid....

[who897]

Good point! If you are in Alaska I'm sure you're getting tons of pelt! Being white in AK gets you laid....

Shit, I got laid once in AK and she was HOT HOT HOT, which I find weird. I almost got laid by "THE BLOB" but I ran away for fear of my life, thought she would eat me afterwards. :D

[Myshele]

Never ceases to amaze me the things people will say purely because they hate something.

Oh, that's a symbol of religion, let's all hate it!
They need a middle finger emoticon.

no kidding...people react so negatively and naively to things they know understand. If you were jewish and i said "those little hats you wear are stupid, ugly and pointless" you'd be pretty insulted...depends on the beliefs of the person.

[starry123nights]

This thread doesn't deserve an answer let alone a vote.

I'll second this one.

[who897]

no kidding...people react so negatively and naively to things they know understand. If you were jewish and i said "those little hats you wear are stupid, ugly and pointless" you'd be pretty insulted...depends on the beliefs of the person.


I dislike religion immensely. Everything about religion is stupid, ugly, and pointless.

[Ausinus]

I dislike religion immensely. Everything about religion is stupid, ugly, and pointless.

Aren't you just describing what you see in the mirror? :D Burned! Ausinus 14, Who 2.

[theicidal maniac]

no kidding...people react so negatively and naively to things they know understand. If you were jewish and i said "those little hats you wear are stupid, ugly and pointless" you'd be pretty insulted...depends on the beliefs of the person.

However, that's not what we're saying at all. What we're saying is "those little crusades and witch trials you had, and that little hate speech that the Bible and Qur'an are full of, is ugly and pointless." I don't care if someone is insulted when I point out danger. Yarmulke's (those little hats) are not dangerous in the genocidal tradition of Abrahamic religions.

[General Septem]

However, that's not what we're saying at all. What we're saying is "those little crusades and witch trials you had, and that little hate speech that the Bible and Qur'an are full of, is ugly and pointless." I don't care if someone is insulted when I point out danger. Yarmulke's (those little hats) are not dangerous in the genocidal tradition of Abrahamic religions.

"Love thy neighbor as yourself"

"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you"

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"

Yeah, real hate speech here.

Someone ask the KKK what their opinion is on "thou shalt not commit murder".

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"Love thy neighbor as yourself"

"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you"

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"

Yeah, real hate speech here.

Someone ask the KKK what their opinion is on "thou shalt not commit murder".

That is not all of the comandments. There's also "You should not have any other gods but me" wich is pretty racistic to me. If I'm gonna be honest i don't know anymore comandments, but that's atleast one.

[theicidal maniac]

"Love thy neighbor as yourself"

"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you"

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"

Yeah, real hate speech here.

Someone ask the KKK what their opinion is on "thou shalt not commit murder".

You're cherry picking. Of course the Bible says nice things. It does, I've never denied that. But people try to say that is is the source of good, and that it's entirely good, and could not produce anything other than love. The bible has way more than it's fair share of violent hate speech that you pretend isn't there, Genny, again like Deuteronomy 13 that I've brought up so many times (I use that one cause I think it's the worst and most blatant example), but there are plenty of other examples as well of the Bible-god conmmanding his followers to either convert or destroy all other groups. That is a source of intolerance and hate, it's not the only source, but it's an big one. It's totally ludicrous to say that this book is somehow beyond criticism.

As for the KKK, they are driven by Christianity. It may be slightly different than YOUR christianity, but so is protestantism, and russian orthodoxy. All were inspired by the Bible.

[General Septem]

That is not all of the comandments. There's also "You should not have any other gods but me" wich is pretty racistic to me. If I'm gonna be honest i don't know anymore comandments, but that's atleast one.

Racist? How is God saying "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before me" racist?

[General Septem]

As for the KKK, they are driven by Christianity. It may be slightly different than YOUR christianity, but so is protestantism, and russian orthodoxy. All were inspired by the Bible.

Slightly different.. my version of Christianity doesn't ignore the teachings of Christ.

[theicidal maniac]

Racist? How is God saying "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before me" racist?

Well as I recall that isn't the only line in the bible that is supposed to be god speaking. There was this whole thing in the Old Testament about a chosen race of people...

[theicidal maniac]

Slightly different.. my version of Christianity doesn't ignore the teachings of Christ.

It ignores SOME of them, just like all of those other groups.

Matt
18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
"If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off."

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer the "everlasting fire." of hell.

18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Ever plucked out your own eyes when you read something offensive to your god? Didn't think so.

[who897]

Aren't you just describing what you see in the mirror? :D Burned! Ausinus 14, Who 2.

Actually you are right, I wasn't just describing religion, I was also describing the French.......so I suppose you can keep your point.

When the pope dies, do you think I could get him to bequeath his hat to me? Dude, it would look so good next to my ridiculous hat collection....right next to the KKK one I got and the Jewish beanie

[hitekredneck]

When the pope dies, do you think I could get him to bequeath his hat to me? Dude, it would look so good next to my ridiculous hat collection....right next to the KKK one I got and the Jewish beanie

i want that funky car with the bullet proof box :D

[something]

Racist? How is God saying "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before me" racist?

Well, that would disgrace the religus freedom we have.

[General Septem]

Well, that would disgrace the religus freedom we have.

But how is it racist?

[General Septem]

Ever plucked out your own eyes when you read something offensive to your god? Didn't think so.

Well first off, reading something offensive is not the same as causing one to sin, and second, our limbs can't possibly cause us to sin. Jesus was just trying to make a point. You take everything so fucking literally, and you always miss the real point. And then when I explain to you what something means, you just say "LOL THATZ KNOT WUT IT SAYZ LOL."

Jesus does not want us to mutilate ourselves. Jesus was just saying, if your hand were causing you to sin, it would be better to cut it off than to continue sinning. Since (and this should be fairly well understood) our hands cannot possibly cause us to sin, what Jesus was saying was a metaphor, or figurative if you will. I'm sure this was obvious back when people were still educated.

[theicidal maniac]

Well first off, reading something offensive is not the same as causing one to sin, and second, our limbs can't possibly cause us to sin. Jesus was just trying to make a point. You take everything so fucking literally, and you always miss the real point. And then when I explain to you what something means, you just say "LOL THATZ KNOT WUT IT SAYZ LOL."

Jesus does not want us to mutilate ourselves. Jesus was just saying, if your hand were causing you to sin, it would be better to cut it off than to continue sinning. Since (and this should be fairly well understood) our hands cannot possibly cause us to sin, what Jesus was saying was a metaphor, or figurative if you will. I'm sure this was obvious back when people were still educated.

I take everything so literally??? Don't YOU believe that the creator of the entire universe LITERALLY authored a book, as well as ten commandment IN HEBREW? Don't you believe that Jesus was LITERALLY born to a virgin? Don't you believe that the Eucharist, when blessed, LITERALLY becomes the body of Christ? Don't you believe the LITERAL interpretation of the Gensis story despite evidence to the contrary? Don't you believe that Jonas LITERALLY lived in the belly of a whale?

Don't you take many of the scriptures literally, yourself? The one's that don't fit YOUR idea of the Bible's message you say should be taken symbolically...so what is the basis for the distinction you make? You accuse me of it, but you do it yourself, and worse yet, you believe many of these things to be LITERALLY true, when we all know better.

[ajk]

Now come on, do you really think God would tell us to LITERALLY pluck our own eyes out? A little common sense would take you a long way.

[theicidal maniac]

Now come on, do you really think God would tell us to LITERALLY pluck our own eyes out? A little common sense would take you a long way.

Hmmm...so how do you know that the whole Jesus part is supposed to be taken literally? Maybe the "serpent" in the garden of Eden that tempted eve was ACTUALLY Adam's PENIS! How do you decide which parts whould be literal and which parts should be figurative?

[ajk]

Because God would never tell us to mutilate ourselves, that much should be pretty obvious.

[theicidal maniac]

Because God would never tell us to mutilate ourselves, that much should be pretty obvious.

Really...Only others then? Cause there are a ton of parts in the Bible where "god" says to mutilate others (humans and animals)

[theicidal maniac]

Fuck the Pope!

[sanford]

The pope is a big scam :p

[monkeyboy9080]

the pope is scared because he was a fucking hitlers youth. he doesn't want anyone shooting his ass or any jews to kick his ass.:D

[freakazoid]

I suggest "Pope on a Rope."

:D Get it here -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lagoon-Games-Pope-on-rope/dp/B000B8JO8U

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/000460.html

http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/product1128/product_info.html?prod=1128

[conspiracy]

Fuck the Pope!

LOL , I'd say "Fuck the POPE" too. You guys base too much Christianity upon catholics and thier fucked up beliefs. I'd even go as far t o say that catholicism is FAR from what the Bible teaches. Catholics actually do make religion a money maker. SAD! I've come to a realization. Those who hate Christianity mostly based that hate upon the Catholic lie.

For instance..... No man , father , priest or otherwise can fogive me of my sins. ALSO how the hell do you think praying to mary can help you? Praying to Mary actually equals Idol worship.Just my opinion. Any Catholics want to challenge this?

[MrJim]

Doesn't the Bible say not to worship false idols? What the hell is the pope if not a false idol? And does he do anything helpful for anyone besides parading around waving on his blessings to strangers? The catholics are one weird breed!

P.S. The Bible is a book comparable to Mother Goose.

[General Septem]

LOL , I'd say "Fuck the POPE" too. You guys base too much Christianity upon catholics and thier fucked up beliefs. I'd even go as far t o say that catholicism is FAR from what the Bible teaches. Catholics actually do make religion a money maker. SAD! I've come to a realization. Those who hate Christianity mostly based that hate upon the Catholic lie.

Actually, I would say most people who think they hate Catholics merely hate what they falsely believe Catholicism to be.


For instance..... No man , father , priest or otherwise can fogive me of my sins.

"Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained." - Jesus


ALSO how the hell do you think praying to mary can help you? Praying to Mary actually equals Idol worship.

Prayer is not worship.


Just my opinion. Any Catholics want to challenge this?

I would be happy to. :D

[conspiracy]

Actually, I would say most people who think they hate Catholics merely hate what they falsely believe Catholicism to be.

Ok , hmmm

"Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained." - Jesus

How about the rest of the chapter?

Prayer is not worship.

So again my question is why pray to Mary whom can't help you?

I would be happy to. :D

Bring it on! LOL

[General Septem]

How about the rest of the chapter?

"You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church. Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail over it," you mean?


So again my question is why pray to Mary whom can't help you?

She may not be able to help us directly, but she will pray for us to God if we ask, and if you look at the Hail Mary: "pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death".

[conspiracy]

"You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church. Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail over it," you mean?



She may not be able to help us directly, but she will pray for us to God if we ask, and if you look at the Hail Mary: "pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death".

Ok that still has nothing to do with why you call your leader of the church , Father and why he can forgive you of your sins. LAst I check only God could do that. Confession is bullshit.

Also , Mary Can Not help you by praying for you. She was just a normal woman that had something extraordinary happen to her. She can not intercede God for your sins nor does she wisper in God's ear to help you out. Praying to Mary is actually idol worship because she is not GOD.

[General Septem]

Ok that still has nothing to do with why you call your leader of the church , Father and why he can forgive you of your sins. LAst I check only God could do that. Confession is bullshit.

So why did Jesus tell Peter "whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained"?


Also , Mary Can Not help you by praying for you. She was just a normal woman that had something extraordinary happen to her. She can not intercede God for your sins nor does she wisper in God's ear to help you out. Praying to Mary is actually idol worship because she is not GOD.

It's not idol worship because prayer is not worship, and what makes you think Mary can't pray to God?

[MrJim]

So why did Jesus tell Peter "whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained"?

Do you believe in hell because you are scared of going there because of what you were taught, or as a revenge against people who do things you dislike?


It's not idol worship because prayer is not worship, and what makes you think Mary can't pray to God?

If I prayed to my dogs, wouldn't that appear to be worship???!???

[General Septem]

Do you believe in hell because you are scared of going there because of what you were taught, or as a revenge against people who do things you dislike?

Neither, really.


If I prayed to my dogs, wouldn't that appear to be worship???!???

"Prayer" can also mean a request or petition. If you were to say "Bruno, come hither, I pray to thee, or I shall whip you" that wouldn't be worship at all. :D

[hitekredneck]

If you were to say "Bruno, come hither, I pray to thee, or I shall whip you" that wouldn't be worship at all. :D

not to mention that bruno might just whomp yer ass :D

[MrJim]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070411/ap_on_re_eu/pope_evolution;_ylt=Alt7hru0xaNzHD99yuaV8h6s0NUE

[freakazoid]

I was wondering when we would be done fucking the Pope? :D Just wondering...